Hottest NBA & NFL takes: Melo most overrated NBA player ever? Was Duncan or Kobe better? | Nerd Sesh

The nerds go bold with their hottest “die on this hill” sports takes, arguing that Carmelo Anthony is the most overrated NBA player ever, T.J. Watt is the best defensive player alive, and Tim Duncan was better than Kobe Bryant.
0:00 We've seen the last great RB
8:52 Melo is the most overrated ever
15:22 T.J. Watt is the best defensive player alive
21:34 Nash deserved both MVPs
33:11 Favre has the most unbreakable record
39:34 Peak Steve Young over peak Montana
41:42 Cam had a Top 5 peak ever
49:35 Russ should've been 4th in 2017 MVP race
59:32 Gobert trade is second-worst ever
1:05:38 Jokic is the best offensive center ever
1:12:00 Duncan over Kobe
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[@BrettNordquist]

Your hot takes are about 1000% better than anything on ESPN.

[@MrSecondchance1]

Absolutely love your takes guys. FINALLY some folks to speak common sense truth and not just regurgitating talking points. Great, refreshing content 👏🏼👍🏼

[@jennycraigadventures3314]

“Do you want to hear about Jokic again, or do you want to hear about Duncan v. Kobe?” “Duncan vs Kobe” “Great, but first let me talk about Jokic for 5 minutes.” 😂

[@RhymesTrucking]

NerdSesh Luv these Guys 💯

[@kennethkinkel4868]

As a Nuggets fan for 43 years and actually watched English play your spot on. Melo is so inefficient on shots and never tried on the defensive end. English should be in the top 75 NBA players all time he was a straight assassin from the inside the ark. English also led the whole 80s decade for scoring in the NBA. Melo is a distant third on the Nuggets all time list! Remind me didn’t Bird and Magic play in the 80s. Lol😂

[@3steban427]

Nuggets fan here, love the Melo take. I'll always appreciate him for making that 17 win team relevant the next year and taking them to the playoffs as a rookie, but it became pretty clear to me by year 4 or so that he wasn't going to be the guy to take them to the mountain top. It's always been amazing to me how much of a difference Billups made in '09, and even that wasn't enough.

[@jlui21]

-- Never liked Melo. Great scorer and pretty incredible that he is in the Top 10 in points but...like a hot potato, gonna pass on him like Houston in 10 games. But hey, yall drafted Jokic. Simply incredible. I root for teams like DEN and SAC b/c as a PELs supporter, big name cities don't create better teams.

[@ChrisSmith-tu9bu]

Mello had multiple issues one he was too Hollywood and didn't always keep basketball first and foremost. Secondly he played in a transitional time and didn't adjust his game...and guys that get distracted from the game tend to have a lot of injuries because they didn't get their bodies right and then when the athleticism is gone and they have improved significantly then they are REALLY diminished...A guy like Steph could probably play until hes 45 because he's always gonna be a phenomenal shooter and if nothing else could be a catch and shoot guy. Once Melo had his first significant injury it was the beginning of the end.

[@NickWestcoast]

Gotta give Logan some love for the insanely on point RB take. Over the last 10 years the only RBs who have had extended notable peaks are AP, Frank Gore(?), Derrick Henry, then you get into CMC, or Chubb(who haven’t even been around that long). RBs who are in the league long enough to peak that high simply don’t have longevity any more… Also fun fact: Alvin Kamara has never had a 1000 yard season before.

[@nitsujneal]

LOVED the Nash take

[@modgmodg6987]

Carson crushed this take. I agree.

[@zacharyhatter700]

Amazing video, keep up the great work!!

[@Terminus100]

Melo is the definition of underachiever.

[@cannafarmer]

Melo was good but super lazy and not very athletic. I watched him since syracuse. He always had an old man game

[@brandenhill8426]

I don't totally agree , it's not like he's Jane's harden where there's a bunch of series he lost he should have won. Most of melo's playoff losses he was the underdog in the series, I remember Denver going toe to toe with the kobe lakers in the conference finals but that team def wasn't better than the Lakers.

[@dannymcguire3623]

Vince Carter too.

[@user-hs5vb6kc9o]

​@@brandenhill8426 James Harden won an MVP, has a somewhat decent argument for having won at least one, probably even 2 more, and lead the team that was closest to upset the Warriors in the heights of KD time in GS. Is he a playoffs choker? Yup, undoubtedly. But this is when we get into that weird area where a guy with a bad playoffs resume is considered lesser than a guy with no playoffs resume. If you're not in the hunt for the title, or at least in the race for MVP, you shouldn't be put in the combo with guys that actually were there. Melo should be at the very bottom of superstar tier, if you even want to put him there.

[@TYLERORTIZ2021]

I hope y’all are underage. You are all talking about greatness your family almost certainly will never reach.

[@kingfadal4711]

Literally just watching through old vids. 🔥

[@kylemccune7497]

I feel like the Russ vs Harden “most valuable” debate for the 2017 season was so evident during their playoff series against each other. OKC got our scored by 58 points in the 46 minutes Russ didn’t play that series. And when he was on the court they outscored houston by an average of 4.9 points per 100 possessions. So the fact that Harden won that series was almost completely because of how bad Russ’ team was without him

[@urbaindelva7869]

True, but Russ did kinda contribute to that as well. I remember watching one of the games in that series, and there were a series of OKC possessions where Russ shot the ball without even calling a play or setting up his teammates.

[@kylemccune7497]

@@urbaindelva7869 I’m not really sure what else he was supposed to do, considering the performance of his teammates. The 2nd leading scorer for OKC was Andre Roberson… The supposed “second option” in Oladipo shot 34% from the field and 24% from 3. OKCs only roster advantage was size and rebounding. But D’Antoni’s system made guys like Adams and Kanter almost unplayable because of switches and foul hunting. It was a perfect matchup for Houston. But ultimately OKC won the minutes Russ was on the court in spite of that

[@danielrodero6251]

@@urbaindelva7869oh yeah let’s run a floppy for Andre Roberson or a post up for taj gibson?

[@austingreen1274]

@@kylemccune7497That’s fair for that one series. But Russ got an MVP level PG and the proceeded to lose back to back first round series where they were favored against a rookie Donovan Mitchell and A Nurkic-less Blazers. Neither even went to 7.

[@Howardzenful]

Great melo take. Many of the people call “pure hoopers” are just guys who have 15 different ways they can shoot 2’s at 40%.

[@markkirkland8393]

Chuckling, well-put.

[@coopercollins5076]

Definitely your best vid yet hard to disagree with any of those

[@johannf36]

Amazing, as a lifelong Falcons fan, it's hard for me to say, Matt Ryan at his peak was the 3rd best QB in that division. what an amazing division for that period of time.

[@SCBB24]

I was literally watching ladanian Tomlinson highlights the other day thinking the same thing. Ain’t gon be many more backs like that.

[@elijahmanchester3453]

I personally think so. I can only speak for the players Ive seen in my lifetime (started in the 90s), but Ive never seen a player get more accolades and see that player not make his teams any better. He racked up high point totals on volume shooting and contested jumpers. Im not an expert, but Im willing to bet he has low shooting% numbers. I remember him being a bad 3 shooter as well. I never remember him doing anything on defence either.

[@KleinpeterHank]

The Melo and Russ takes were on point and really well constructed.

[@paulyang748]

Ducan had more stability with coaching & star players. Manu & Parker were top 5 at their positions for a decade.

[@NHLfan215]

Calling Russ overrated is insane he gets an insane amount of hate

[@nicholasbarrientos2206]

This video was amazing, maybe the best one yet! i love hearing these takes! Carson i'm 100% with you on that Melo take. i do need to comment tho on how you said Russ was up there for most overrated player.. he's my all time favorite player and i really don't get all the hate (in general) you guys are extremely smart basketball wise, so like everyone else we all knew him being traded to the Lakers was never gonna work. just not a good basketball fit, but to say he's overrated is crazy. He still finished that year as LA's top scorer, assister, rebounder, most steals, and most minutes played. he shows up and balls every night. it's not like his shooting % changed he was never a shooter.Yeah the Houston thing didn't work, but his time with the Thunder, Wizards, and Clippers has been great! and here's something for the stat padding narrative too he has won 73.2% of the games he's gotten a triple double in. like 3/4 games he wins, so what are people talking about stat padding. from Dame one of the most skilled players ever "if i try and go every game and get a triple-double for a whole season, i can't do it" this dude did it for FOUR seasons... the "top 5 ever pg" Oscar is know for historically accomplishing this once, no one else has done it. so does Russ move up the list or does Oscar move down? can't have it both ways in my opinion. anyways super long rant but you guys are some of my main basketball media and i hate hearing Russ slander. anyways love the channel keep up the great work you guys are only getting better!

[@nicholasbarrientos2206]

not that mad about the MVP take, 4th is dramatic. If you think Harden deserved it, that's cool, i'd probably agree. Kawhi (my 3rd favorite player ever) is like a 2B, i can see it but i'd still give it to Russ. i'm also someone who believes the MVP should go to the "best player on the best team" so i get the not liking how low of seed they were. However, i'm pretty sure you'd both agree that the Spurs and Rockets had a better team than the Thunder. A lot of your argument is efficiency, which again he has never been a shooter, but he still lead the league in points and PPG. so he was still scoring more than everyone else. i didn't know that defensive rebound stat, but still i already mentioned how he's a winning player when "stat padding" - sorry gotta defend my favorite player lol

[@nicholasbarrientos2206]

disagree with like half of what you guys said, but super agree with the other half, best episode yet!

[@Musso88]

There's actually another reason why Nash gets underrated and disrespected.....

[@modgmodg6987]

Word.

[@abcdefghijklmnop514]

Boys great show but let’s up the set game. the white walls and a basic nerd sesh flag is to mid. a little lighting and a little more though on your sets will go along way. this was especially prominent when you were ok with Colin and Jason.

[@Wladislav]

Duncan being a better player than Kobe is not a hot take. It's totally accurate.

[@urbaindelva7869]

It's arguable, but I see the argument for Duncan. To me, part of the reason why Kobe is seen as better than Duncan is because he was a carbon copy of Jordan, his game was more aesthetically pleasing, the Spurs were considered "boring" around that time, Duncan was not a lively character, and the popularity of Mamba Mentality.

[@twayne5917]

I fuck wit yall boys ... pause .... But yall said alotta nerd wild shit

[@taylor7264]

still taking shaq over jokic

[@urbaindelva7869]

I like Melo, but he is and has been overrated. He has not played with a lot of high-end talent, but his game never translated to (much) winning nor did he ever evolve his game to become more conducent to (more) winning, which was why he was out of the league for a year. I would argue that Mike D'Antoni's system contributed to Nash winning his MVPs as well. He was already an All-Star/All-NBA player before then, but Idk if he would've reached MVP level without D'Antoni's offense, which we know can make any player (specifically guards) look better than they are (hello, Linsanity). Objectively, Kawhi should've been the 2017 MVP. If not him, then it should've been Harden. I love Kobe, but I would take Duncan over him partly because there were less negatives and less baggage with him than there was with Kobe.

[@tompratt7125]

Late to the discussion. Saw all of Melo's Denver games and have to disagree he's the most over rated. I guess it all depends on what these two believe the expectations for him were. I personally never believed he was going to be a superstar or that he ever became one. If there was a lot of hype it was from delusional Knicks fans and NY media. He only made 2 all star teams while with the Nuggets. On the other hand, he was All NBA 6 times and made 10 all star appearances. Those achievements alone take him out of the 'most over rated' discussion. I always thought of him as the last of the old school gunners--his efficiency, like Kobe, was lower because he took so many really difficult shots.

[@bensinclair4335]

Would take Nick Bosa, Chris Jones, and Garrett over TJ.

[@rquinn1914]

saw the bait and bit..y'all whilin

[@markoilic2107]

Please talk tennis takes!!!

[@robertgardner1042]

It’s not a hot take to say Duncan is better than Kobe, but it’s wrong

[@modgmodg6987]

TJ Watt. Yes. Logan preach.

[@philmoe]

What are ya talking about? Clearly ppl who just look at basketball reference for your stats. Melo avg 44% fg for his career and thats after he played some down years which dropped it further. How is that inefficient? Tmac as a talent was special but he hasnt done anything that Melo didnt. 2 all nba seasons in Orlando aint shyt for real. What you guys are failing to remember is that the presence of Melo scoring, rebounding and shot making ability made him the threat and unlike his 03 draft class mates he didnt team up to with them to win. He may not be as all around great as LBJ/Wade and not having the most winning intangibles but great all time scorer isnt overrated. Plus lets not talk about Paul George who avg 19 and 24 in 13 and 14 ecfs as the only scorer on a defensive team.

[@johannf36]

Carmelo made the NBA greatest 75 players of all time, Dominique didn't make the NBA top 50 greatest players of all time. Nique was not overrated.

[@EzMoneyMir]

Russ literally carried one of the worst teams ever to the playoffs😂and played 81 games in which they had the worst on /off numbers ever they were the bobcats without him and Russ win % when he gets a triple double is plus 70

[@kylemccune7497]

Yeah he’s tripping on the Russ take. He was the definition of “most valuable” when looking at how much he carried that roster

[@onedone2011]

algorithmic

[@breezeworld7313]

No ever disrespect melo again

[@charliemack8585]

Don’t agree with the Steve Nash take because the NBA gave Russ a MVP simply off counting stats so it looks pretty bad that Kobe didn’t win a MVP when he was league leading scorer almost avg 40 ppg I agree that Nash was leading a great offense consistently but MVP has never been about consistency it’s been about who has the best season and if we are comparing teams that Suns team that Nash was on is way better then that Lakers team Kobe was on

[@charliemack8585]

@bigproblem5566 did u not hear what he said in the video the MVP goes to the best player on the best team and Russ was neither one of those things that season and the NBA media let the KD saga dictate who Russ was that season but that shouldn’t be in ur MVP discussion.

[@waynesun4052]

One is a self-centred player & one more have the same mentality with MJ which is to do whatever it takes to win the championship or obsession for winning the games.

[@callmesheepgod]

Carmelo Anthony is a cultural icon. We don’t care about his stats.

[@Neuri]

what is this foot ball you speak of?

[@dannymcguire3623]

Soccer

[@boxxboy13]

I don't disagree with the principle of the Melo point but to what level are you going with it? For 1, have you ever seen someone proclaim Melo as this great winner that leads his team to playoff success? I haven't. I've exclusively seen him like I've seen Iverson. "He made me fall in love with Basketball" which is absolutely valid. 2, what is overrated in this case? Where do you think he is rated and where should he be? Cuz from my perspective he's a top 75 player, around 60 or so, and shouldn't be lower. So who exactly is overrating him and how exactly? Cuz to me personally, that entire tirade was basically pointless. It's like going on a tirade about how Lebron is better than Furkan Kormaz. We are aware. It's a pointless argument to make. And regarding the Alex English point: you can't seriously expect 20 year Olds that aren't in tune with as much Basketball as you are to think about Alex English. On top of that, comparing players from different eras like this rarely makes any sense to begin with

[@kevintd9900]

Nick bosa #1

[@TYLERORTIZ2021]

Paul George over Melo is crazyl 😂 Prolly easy for ppl to understand floor and ceiling. Paul George is a better floor raiser maybe, But ceiling raiser I’m taking Melo no doubt and it’s not close

[@urbaindelva7869]

What team did Melo raise the ceiling of during his career? Paul George isn't one either, but taking him over Melo is not that crazy.

[@TYLERORTIZ2021]

@@urbaindelva7869 okay I’ve done some more analysis and ur right it’s close. But I would say 09 Nuggets. Kobe vs Melo Kobe was at the peak of his powers and Melo fell short but he went toe to toe.

[@Cmonkey752]

Also using the nash comp I wonder how they feel about Nick wrights case on why cp3 should’ve won mvp over jokic 2021 since the suns got a lot better with him there and the nuggets were a mediocre team

[@urbaindelva7869]

The Suns were already on the upswing before CP3 arrived. The Nuggets were the 3rd seen in the West that year, and by the end of the season, Jamal Murray was injured.

[@JSauer21]

We really gonna roast Melo because PG was slightly better? Duncan is the definition of overrated

[@urbaindelva7869]

In what world is Tim Duncan overrated? And they did not roast Melo.

[@JSauer21]

@@urbaindelva7869 This one, dude was nowhere near a top 10 player of all time, was just on a top 3 team of all time. And idk how considering a guy the most overrated player of all time just because Paul George was a little more efficient isn't a roasting. On the contrary Tim Duncan might actually be the most overrated in NBA history. He's at least got to be the most overrated player of his era

[@reecewilliams8349]

Bad kobe amd melo takes. You boys can keep this video. Im not watching.

[@xxprodigygod7627]

I would Say Reggie Miller is the most Overrated player in NBA History.... he was s Great shooter but did nothing else and never Averaged 25+ PPG.... Miller was a terrible Rebounder for his Size and Bad Playmaker also a Below average Defender... Miller only Made the All-Star 5 Times and All-NBA 3 Times which was All Third Team...

[@glenn8886]

Instead, I think he’s underrated, people look at his low points average and average fg% and underrated his real impact in the game. I think he should get about 10 all-nba teams in his career. That Pacers team led by Miller, just like the Heat led by Jimmy Butler, not the best team, but team that you never want to face

[@GrtBreezy]

The Melo take is one of the dumbest I’ve ever heard in basketball ever. Take this crap down… Melo never played with the star caliber players compared to his peers. Put respect on a top ten all time scorer. Who could have easily been as high as six had he not had breaks in his playing career

[@urbaindelva7869]

What about Melo's individual impact? All of the flaws he pointed out in Melo's game have been mentioned by some of his former coaches and teammates. Defense, leadership, playmaking, etc.

[@ChrisSmith-tu9bu]

LEBRON IS THE MOST OVERRATED EVER AND ITS NOT CLOSE!! ..and its not because hes not really good, and in fact he was the best player in basketball for like a whole three seasons...but people are comparing him with guys that won MULTIPLE championship with almost nobody and the best player ever Jordan who was the best player in basketball for OVER a decade... something like TWELVE seasons which if my math is correct is FOUR TIMES LONGER....Then the records Jordan has that a guy like LeBron cant come close to despite playing in an era where it was like two three times harder to score...I mean LeBron is/eas good but hes not a top three player, got punked out by Jason Terry of all people and theyre comparing him to dudes hes never really gotten close to holding a candle too like Jordan, Kobe, and Kareem for example and considering how many times old broken down Duncan gave LeBron's superteam the business and how many times he choked against Duncan not to mention Garnet....its just crazy the amount of cope and pretending people do with that guy

[@Cmonkey752]

Nash over isiah is crazy to me

[@TYLERORTIZ2021]

NFL running backs deserve to get paid because it’s one of the most entertaining positions. NFLPA is NOT doing a good job arguing analytics. There is only ONE argument. Barkley, Cook, Henry, all these guys deserve the big bucks because they single handily can generate 500m+ views with a single long run play. Sports IS ENTERTAINMENT

[@natureovereverthing]

Larry bird most overrated 😴 Dirk better🤣

[@Monika77ful]

Big Dirk fan here. Wish it were true... sadly no.

[@modgmodg6987]

Wrong. Wrong. Wrong.

[@dannymcguire3623]

You’re just saying that because Dirk is White.

[@Musso88]

Bird, Dirk, Luka, Nash & Jokic for the all time beautiful complexion team.

[@modgmodg6987]

@@Musso88 West and Barry.

[@thefourthquarter7429]

Kobe is the most overrated. He is compared to Jordan and he Is poor inefficient copy and an overrated defender. Jordan, despite being one of the 2 greatest players, is also overrated. He doesn't just have fans, but worshipers and truthers. Their claims are so ludicrous that it defies all logic. Melo is definitely in the conversation as well.