HOUSE OF THE DRAGON FINALE "The Queen Who Ever Was" S2E8 Reaction!

[@Bled420]

Fun fact ‘The Realm’s Delight’ was Rheanyra’s nickname as a kid because the realm loved her. Aegon feels he’s never had the love the realm showed her and he wants it

[@LMarsz]

@@Bled420 👏🏽👏🏽 glad you caught that , it has flown over many ppls heads. (Season 1 )

[@Bled420]

@@LMarsz Thank you! I pride myself on my memory for such things ☺️

[@raggmedia]

@@LMarsz I saw a few reactions, no one really picked up on it!

[@Rash23215]

I mean he should start with not raping servant girls.....

[@tylersick432]

I thought he did it to troll her lol but if its because he wants love that's just sad

[@nikitasingh0412]

Award for best mother goes to Alicent for not only sacrificing Aegon and Aemond but also Daeron who is now marching with the Hightower army

[@MugShotzReacts]

🤣

[@ak14459]

@@nikitasingh0412 sometimes doing what’s best for the realm is not always what’s good for your children. but alicent has been put in a position to make this exact choice. in my mind she’s a hero for this, even willing to sacrifice something as painful as her own son to make it happen.

[@rohitkumar-dc3xb]

@@ak14459 I don't agree with ur Alicent doing it for realm or otherwise. She forced Aegon to be a king his all life & now she is sarcificing him like a sheep. If she wants to prevent war, she had couple of options once at the time of Aegon cornation ( when otto wants to do a suprise attack & end it at once) or when rhenrya visit kingslanding. I mean she didn't want to kill rhenrya when she had advantage for realm sake & now she willing to sacrifice all 3 sons for realm. I mean she still wants to live her life with an old friend by sacrificing her own sons life, with this she just not sounds like a very bad charcter but also a very bad human being. Also she put halena lifes in danger unknowingly as she did of Aegon before. Just think when rhenrya comes & finds no Aegon & with her anger after battle of gullet, what she need blood & who poor will be the first sacrifice, it going to be Poor Halena... Well Done Alicent for getting best mother of the year...

[@havok6280]

The guy with the antlers is likely a green man. They guard the Isle of Faces. Howland Reed met them before the Tournament at Harrenhall.

[@Alejojojo6]

You missed out on the blue dragon flying over the hightower army hehe. It was Daeron's dragon, the little brother of Helaena, Aegon and Aemond. And well, Rhaenyra haha but he's on green side.

[@MugShotzReacts]

Yes I did! Caught it during editing, just another moment I wish they would have made a big bigger though. It was so zoomed out it nearly could have been any of the dragons 😕

[@TheWindcrow]

​@MugShotzReacts corporations could have dumped money into this show to seize its rise and survival. Imo. Yet, they choose to skimp to save money. Missing 2 episodes...ugh.

[@johnwalkeristhatdude3018]

Oscar can only play that one time he keep bucking up to Daemon there is this thing called friendly fire

[@anthonyallred]

All hail the producer!!

[@Crispy7462]

@@anthonyallred 🙌

[@paisley64]

Production on fleek!!! Great job!

[@Mutazili]

Mugshotz Reacts, you guys have become my favorite reaction channel. You guys are the only ones who caught on how dark and grotesque Alicent selling her kids was, and the most disturbing part was the showrunners who said in the 'Inside of the Episode' that the moment was great, empowering and liberating for Alicent. This insanely inhumane, selfish and cruel act (Like Mesel said, selling her soul to the devil) from Alicent is morally 'good' for Sara Hess. Rhaenyra wanted Aemond tortured right after he lost an eye, starved a city, and her husband decapitated her grandson. But you sacrifice your kids yo her? Disturbing. This is fanfiction level of bad writing, Alicent and Aemond remained loyal in the book, so much so that Aegon built statues for Aemond and Daeron to immortalize their loyalty. (Please share this with Mesel too lol).

[@MugShotzReacts]

🥰 I will for sure!

[@TheWindcrow]

21:30 I agree with you Stef, but always remember the Blackfish, Stanis and Shaggydog. 😅

[@jrafel1707]

As long as Aegon lives, there would always be some who would want Aegon back on the throne. Even if Rhaenyra takes the throne, it will be an uneasy rule as people who were loyal to the greens would be out to get her and Reseat the greens because the "old king" is still alive. It's kind of like when Danerys burned the Tarley's when they didn't bend the knee. If they weren't willing to accept her rule, they'd always be looking to overthrow her or they'd be in prison forever.

[@TedSaint-r5b]

Friendly reminder, Rhaenyra, just as bad a leader as Aegon. In fact, if it wasn’t for that council everyone likes to criticize, she would have suffered the exact same fate as him at Rooks Rest.

[@jrafel1707]

She should have sent more than one dragon to that fight. NEVER go into a fight with the bare minimum. The council wasn't that good or they'd have told her to send more than one dragon to end it quickly. She had her son's , her dauther in law's dragon, and Rhaeney's dragon, all 3 could have and should have gone. They were making her out to be weak and her council as well when tney outnumbered the number of dragons the greens had already.

[@TedSaint-r5b]

@@jrafel1707 At the time, the only other dragon who could have challenged Vhagar was Caraxese. Even of they took Syrax, Meleys, and both of the other smaller dragons, they would have lost. And even if they didn’t, at least a rider and dragon on their side would have fallen. Probably more. Her council gave her the best advice they could, given the position she had had already put them in.

[@Bled420]

If you go back to the scene where Corly’s calls it “The Queen Who Never Was” the figurehead of the ship is Rhaenys holding the Targaryen Crown! Beautiful tribute!

[@MugShotzReacts]

Gorgeous

[@paellaking9007]

"from my blood come the prince that was promised" -Rhaenyra reading from the small valyrian blade way back in like House of the Dragon season 1 episode 3 or 4 or something lol

[@LMarsz]

😮 No reaction when Daemon said “Winter is coming “ that’s the biggest Tag Line ⚔️

[@MugShotzReacts]

It wasn’t a big aha moment for me, we already know he saw the white walker in his vision and the Starks say it all the time lol

[@LMarsz]

@@MugShotzReacts I know that’s why I said it … we heard it all the time in GOT so to hear it in HOTD was a great LOL 😊

[@havok6280]

In hindsight, I would have cut a some of the Daemon visions, cut the scenes between Rhaenyra and Alicent (it made no sense for Alicent to let Rhaenrya go and it made less sense for Alicent to make it out if KL AFTER Aemond started searching all the ships), move the Triarchy stuff to episode 5 or 6, and end with the battle that will likely open season 3. That would have provided some closure and a very compelling cliffhanger....

[@rutgerdejong1660]

it wasnt the night king in the vision, it was just a normal white walker soldier :)

[@MugShotzReacts]

That checks out, seems weird to me to show a random white walker?

[@vishal4236]

​​@@MugShotzReacts there's no night king in asoiaf universe , it's just tv show that showed it because they've no source material left n audience liked his character in got season 5... So, this show doesn't need to have to show character which not exist in Martin's book... If Martin's last 2 got book come in future, might be HBO will make series and also they're making one more prequel based on Martin's book , which gonna release in 2025.

[@Ultimate0ne]

It was one of his Generals not a regular Soldier.

[@rutgerdejong1660]

@@Ultimate0ne that's what I meant yes.

[@mathmexican4234]

I think it will be like Season 1 of Breaking Bad. It randomly ends on an episode 7, and it's basically an unfinished storyline and a cliffhanger. This is because (similar to now) there was the writers strike in 2007-08. But when people react to it, they just go straight into S2 and the Tuco storyline gets a proper ending and things go on. Obviously, things will depend on how well they do S3, but if they do S3 well, it will be fine and maybe when people react to it later, we will have a neat story about all the strikes and funding and control over the show.

[@MugShotzReacts]

I had already forgotten about the writers strike! I think with that context it makes more sense

[@kidgforce1]

They cut out 2 of the Muppet Tullys: Oscar Tully´s father and grandfather Elmo and Kermit Tully.

[@holtimt]

Kermit is Oscar's brother, not his grandfather.

[@kidgforce1]

@@holtimt could be. sorry I didn´t google it before

[@annbeths]

25:11 Dreamfyre was not used in wars by her last rider

[@blanketwodahs6741]

Rhaenyra's choice of executing aegon or exiling him is not unusual at all in this world, and has been done both ways throughout its history with both good and bad results. The "ending of opposition" via death vs exile will become very important as this show (and everything after it) plays out.

[@Bled420]

Fun fact, during that Dinner scene with Rhaenyra, Baela, Jace and the dragonseeds the actor for Ulf are about 2 quails per attempt at that take and he ended up eating about 30 in one day! Damn crazy! He said “When you’re the bloke saying “And more of these little birds” and the little birds arrive, you have to fuckin eat them”

[@MugShotzReacts]

I watched the behind the scenes after it was great🤩

[@algerianchaouki5705]

I don't think I'll be back for S3. The show is incredibly immature in its writing and directing. For example each time a Team Green does a crime, it's zoomed in, mentioned over and again, and the character pays up for it in the slightest. (Like Alicent getting cut where she cut Rhaenyra, or is forced to drink Moon Tea like Dyanna) while each time a Team Black woman does a crime, they do their best to make the audience forget about it and the crime in itself has no consequences. Like how many people remember that Rhaenyra had an innocent guard killed and burned his face to pass him off as Laenor? That's murder. How many people remember that Rhaenys stomped on hundreds of innocent civilians in the Dragonpit? It's like the showrunners are telling us that murder and war crimes are okay if it's your favorite people doing them or if they have a similar ideology as you. Deeply disturbing.

[@TheWindcrow]

The ONLY person I can see having Otto is Marsayia. She is the only one that holds a grudge on him, but idk.

[@raggmedia]

I loved Tyrone Lannister and his new friend from Essos

[@jayson1geek479]

The wind whispered traitor

[@Ultimate0ne]

That wasn't the Night King, it was one of his generals.

[@havok6280]

The season was cut short due to budget. The showrunner said going into the season that there would be two major set pieces. I assume that was the Battle of Rooks Rest and the Red Sowing. There was at least one major battle that they moved from season 1 to season 2. That said, GoT almost always had the biggest action in the penultimate episode. The finale usually set up the next season.

[@MugShotzReacts]

It’s true I just wanted 1 storyline to be resolved haha

[@havok6280]

​@@MugShotzReactsone storyline was resolved. Daemon is now firmly on Rhaenrya's side.

[@briennesfatsister4788]

The writers strike played havoc with this season. Next season is going to be epic.

[@DukeJimbob]

Keep seeing this comment but you do know that the strike only affected American writers

[@jrafel1707]

I'd be curious what you think is going to happen next season. The Starks are crossing the twins into the riverlands, Daemon has his army at the Riverlands, The hightowers are on the march to the Riverlands with a dragon riding support? I'm guessing because I haven't read the books, but I think I remember that being the plan with Aemond supposedly giving aerial support. Ulf is a complete drunk and untrustable to make good decisions. I'd have killed him already and looked for another rider for his dragon. (I don't see why they haven't already - that is a big error in either the books or screenplay). Why would you trust your future in a drunk? Do you have any plans to do a what you hope will be in the next season and what you think they'll write into it?

[@havok6280]

Even if Rhaenrya is on the throne, it's still a patriarchy. The UK had a queen as well as a female prime minister in the 80s. It didn't stop being a patriarchy because women were in charge.

[@cascade1788]

Yet the definition of Matriarchy is "a system of society or government ruled by a woman or women." (Though you could argue parliament is still male dominated) Just because laws and systems you consider patriarchal continue when a woman is in power, doesn't make the society 'not matriarchal'. In fact, the majority of those systems are predicated on the preferences of both men and women. (For example; did you know that the majority of women originally voted AGAINST the right to vote? If it was their choice, how could you claim it's the patriarchy holding them back?) Try not to use the patriarchy as a blanket term for a society that supports men, because even in a matriarchy the men still have values, desires and needs that need to be accommodated. Though, in your defense it could also be argued that males would still be heads of families regardless of females being in power, which would (based on definition) make those societies both Matriarchal and Patriarchal.

[@andromidius]

This is something a lot of people struggle to recognise. Just because there are some female leaders doesn't mean its still not a male dominated system designed by men for the benefit of (wealthy) men.

[@maxwiidanen7281]

I don’t think you understand the language you speaking

[@Bled420]

Also keep in mind season 2 was written during the writers strike. They had originally planned for 10 episodes but the strike made them cut a lot and make changes that made some episodes feel slow

[@MugShotzReacts]

Ohh!! I did not realize that!

[@Bled420]

@@MugShotzReacts I only recently saw that somewhere, specifically episodes 5-6 I believe they said they were especially unhappy with compared to the original plan

[@88happiness]

It wasn't the strike directly, but HBO got panicky about the budget as a result of the strike and decided last minute to decrease their budget. They'd already written ten episodes by that time. Plus dragons are really expensive so all the dragon scenes didn't help.

[@jayson1geek479]

The gods eye is the water...hint hint

[@tomsorh8890]

a knight of the seven kingdoms will be a new TV show next year

[@MugShotzReacts]

Yes can’t wait for that!!!

[@Alejojojo6]

I agree, I liked the episode and the season overall and i'll be here to watch the full show and all its seasons haha but I am disappointed specially with the finale. I expected more. Also we wont be waiting 2 years, it will come out sooner. Probably early spring 2026. In the meantime we can watch Knight of the Seven Kingdoms, a show coming next year so it would ease the wait.

[@MugShotzReacts]

I’m excited for that!!

[@ak14459]

The show runner confirmed it wasn’t the night king, but was one of his generals.

[@MugShotzReacts]

Ok that makes more sense… but why show Daemon a random white walker??

[@modi84]

@@MugShotzReacts White walker = winter is coming, Daemon need to see the danger to belive the song of ice and fire.

[@ak14459]

@@MugShotzReacts probably just to show him what the real threat is. to quote cregan in s2 e1 of what’s beyond the wall and why it exists is to stop “death”. i think they will do some really cool things with the song of ice and fire prophecy and daemon’s visions (in the finale) next season.

[@gojiramonster2388]

Viserys said it in the first season: The belief that Targaryens control the dragons is false. The only thing that binds a dragon to a human is the blood of Old Valyria, and to the dragons, these Targaryen bastards still have that same blood.

[@oldmanlethal8714]

House of the Drag, amirite?

[@andromidius]

I know people are down on this episode, but I enjoyed it. But yes - it didn't feel like a finale. Mostly because it wasn't filmed as one. They had to cut two episodes for this season, likely due to budget - and big battles and dragon CGI are likely the two biggest expenses. I suspect a lot of scenes that'll be seen in Season Three have already been filmed, just not finalised.

[@MugShotzReacts]

Some people are commenting it could also be due to the writers strike which is plausible!

[@stonecoldpillow]

I'm not sure why but I thought Stef would like this episode and Mesel would be the one disappointed. Ultimately, I feel similar to Stef on this episode and about how Season 3 probably isn't going to be overly action packed. While I enjoyed quite a bit of Season 2, I'm left feeling disappointed in the end. I wasn't even asking for big battles every other episode, it's not about that. The scheming and dialogue is what I was wanting a little more from. Too much of this season felt like setup, and imo that stems mostly from Daemon's plot. It dragged and didn't end very satisfying, but it also effected what Rheanrya could do. She literally said it herself "What would you have me do!?" lol. I just can't see how that was worth the time invested into it.

[@andrewk2250]

I'd give this episode a 4 out of 5, and probably the same for the season overall. I agree with Steph that I wanted a bit more resolution this episode but they have to try and keep you hooked in l guess. It's sucks that we'll have to wait 2 whole years for the next season but on the bright side we'll get A Knight of the Seven Kingdoms and The Last of Us season 2 next year. Maybe by the time season 3 rolls around the girls will be caught up and you guys can do a group reaction.

[@MugShotzReacts]

Ya I hope so too!!!

[@RuthMonteroCueva]

It's a fantastic 8/10 episode but it doesn't seem like an episode for the season finale. The actors, magnificent, the music, but thanks to HBO it remains incomplete. We have two years to get used to hearing dragons cry, die... after watching Melisse's scene 20 times I hardly cry anymore 😂

[@boxmulla]

Didn?t you hear the whisper in the wind when Daemon talked to Sir Broome? Rewatch and listen

[@candacemay7187]

They really need to have the subtitles on so they don't miss anything -- just like the whisper "traitor"!!

[@MugShotzReacts]

I didn’t miss it and we do have subtitles on ☺️

[@NoShiiitSherlock]

Daemon was War Criminal BAE the whole time

[@BaragulDE]

As I understand it, ten episodes were actually planned, but Warner Bros. wanted to make it eight. I think the showrunner also said that there was supposed to be a battle at the end of this season, which had to be moved to the third season. And unfortunately you notice that because the pacing doesn't seem on point. If there were two more episodes, this season would probably be fantastic.

[@MugShotzReacts]

Totally agree

[@jeffbachman2949]

@@BaragulDE I don't think it would have helped I found the writing to be all over the place two more episodes wouldn't have improved that for me. The way the female characters were written especially I found really bad. The whole seasons was just a mess imo

[@havok6280]

I agree with your husband. Having read the book, the last two seasons have a lot of ground to cover. It will be ALOT of action. I can think of at least 6 major action set pieces off the top of my head.

[@MugShotzReacts]

I hope so!

[@decariusb71]

I still hate what they did to Daemon, the writers really got his character wrong. I recommend reading the book, he’s depicted much better in the book.

[@MugShotzReacts]

I plan to once HOTD is completed 😊

[@AndyFry-Artist]

I think when Alys Rivers said you will die here she meant the old Daemon as he was so that a new one could be born or released. Just a theory not based on the book which I have only just acquired so not read yet! This was a great episode but clearly wasn’t ever meant to be the finale which is why it didn’t feel like one which was disappointing. Even one more episode would have been awesome!

[@MugShotzReacts]

Oooh!! Love that theory!!

[@jayson1geek479]

Yes he will die in water, well supposed to.

[@mel88872]

Thank you Stefani for your honest reaction! All the other reactors are trying to hype the finale, even calling it "amazing". Just because you have a reaction channel, doesn't mean that you cant be honest. The finale was a disappointment. The whole season was a disappointment. Its not even close to GoT quality.

[@MugShotzReacts]

🥰

[@holtimt]

Oh stop crying about it already, it was a great season and you'll see it in hindsight. Give me a single TV show that's unequivocally better than HotD nowadays.

[@ak14459]

This season was supposed to have 10 episodes instead of 8, but 1 month before filming began, hbo decided to cut it down to 8. Due to the writers strike they could not do rewrites to the script, so that’s why this feels like such a disappointing ending. next season will start w/ the 2 episodes that were supposed to be at the end of this season.

[@TheWindcrow]

Not because of the writer's strike. The writer's strike is why they couldn't change it last minute. The reason they stripped it 8 is bc of the buying of Warner Brothers. The Ceo said cut all shows down to save money.

[@ak14459]

@@TheWindcrow I think you misread my comment, because thats exactly what I said but didn’t mention the money part. I said hbo cut the episodes from 10 to 8. And that the writers strike was the reason they couldn’t do rewrites.

[@kidgforce1]

Prediction I don´t like: After Season 3 we will say: what a great exposition for season 4!

[@malhondize3898]

i dont think he was saying he wants daemon to overthrow rhaenyra he wants daemon to lead the fight. the last time he saw rhaenyra she didnt have the new riders and was just sitting there doing nothing. he is saying he wants daemon to take over command of the war not the throne. all reactors are the same at this part getting all bent ot of shape because he wants a experienced battle tested person to lead the fight. i could be wrong but i dont see it the way you do.

[@MugShotzReacts]

But then why did Simon contact Rhaenyra? He also thought Daemon was potentially being treacherous!

[@ccispahan7514]

Err… the wind yelled ‘Traitor’ at Broome when he was in front of the weirwood tree with Daemon. Remember that murmurs can be heard in the godswoods and Northmen and Wildlings believe this is how the Gods make themselves known and answer prayers. We know from GoT that the Three-Eyed Raven is seeing everything through the weirwood trees network and is possibly the one speaking through the wind. So, if the 3ER is saying that Broome is a traitor… I’m inclined to believe him.

[@jrafel1707]

IMO, he definitely wanted Daemon to declare himself heir and king in that exchange.

[@RobotRockRod]

Not a spoiler, but Fire n Blood is still incomplete. The story of a couple of characters(and Dragons) in this war are still incomplete. This episode is a 4/5 but as a finale, its a 3/4. Agree, too many dangling threads, IT felt like the penultimate. Its clear to me they didnt have the resources for a "Big Battle" . There's another ASOIAF show coming next year{Knight of The Seven Kingdoms). Daemon might have seen something from that show(potentially) from his vision.

[@kwanzafrank2902]

what is left of the story is just war and trajedy so i areciate this season

[@MugShotzReacts]

That’s fair! I just wanted at least ONE of the loose ends to be tied up

[@DukeJimbob]

Been out of town so just watched but seen many comments that said team black supporters are gonna be mad after this episode. Did I miss the scene that was supposed to piss people off??

[@derrisreaditbefore]

Oh Stefani I just want to hug you! I get the frustration, and you aren't alone. It's been mentioned below the issues around the series being shortened at the same time as they were working around the writers strike, I'm just going to add that the shortened season was a decision made by the 'powers that be' at WB, not HBO. The purchase of HBO put a huge financial strain on WB, and it's easy to save a few million by cutting Hot D short. It's a dumb decision but I get why someone would make that call based just on the numbers. Sadly, the things going on in the background aren't common knowledge, and what's visible is a season that ends somewhere no-one really wanted, and it's an awfully long time to wait for the threads that should have been included in S2. All that said, I agree with Mesel. I give the episode 5 mugs. The final montage of the pieces moving 'on the board' was well done and gives a great impression of the scale of the war about to kick off. I'm not sure if you caught the dragon flying over the Hightower troops, that's Alicent's youngest son Daeron on his dragon Tessarion 'The Blue Queen'. The horned person you may(?) have seen capering behind the Weirwood at Harrenhal is thought to be a member of the 'Order of the Green Men', who you'll know Stefani from the main ASOIAF books, are committed to protecting the Weirwood trees and live on the Isle of Faces (all the Weirwoods) in the middle of The God's Eye lake (right next to Harrenhal). I loved the series of vision images given to Daemon, even if I agree with you and think the prosthetics for the White Walker shown were a bit naff. I think the sight of Bloodraven that includes the birthmark that gave him his name was *so good*, and they've tied the show together to GoT nicely with giving us such a clear image of Dany with her baby dragons. I think one of the reasons Hot D is working so well for *me* is that they haven't ignored the magics or how they effect the characters. Harrenhal in particular they've absolutely *soaked* in mysticism and spookiness and that goes a long way to show why it's called 'haunted' even centuries later. Hot D has shown us how quickly knowledge of Valyria was falling away even during peace, and the war will erode it even faster as the remaining Targs endeavour to wipe each other out. Looking forward to coming back to GoT with the girls, but I'll miss Mesel's quiet wit. Obviously the only solution is to stay subscribed so I don't miss his eventual return. 😉 Bye Mesel, Stefani, I'll see you next time. 😙

[@jeffbachman2949]

@@derrisreaditbefore I thought Harrenhall was mostly just bad. The visions were so on the nose and got old real fast. Once or twice would be find but I found it became so boring

[@jayson1geek479]

You guys was talking and missed the blue dragon at the end

[@MugShotzReacts]

We saw it after! Honestly very easy to miss though they could have made that more obvious.

[@jayson1geek479]

@MugShotzReacts Omg I so agree 👍

[@rafasandoval]

Yeah this episode and the season overall were fine, but ultimately disappointing.

[@debbiehenson7091]

I agree that this was a good episode. Lots happen to set up for next season. When you are binging this series in the future in will just flow into season 3. I want to know what has happened to the 2 young Princes that left the Vale. Maybe they are the future of the blood line. Or is it going to be Helena’s child. Will that girl marry one of the Princes that sailed away somewhere. Joining the green and the blacks family line. 🤷🏼‍♀️

[@Bled420]

Something I saw, Admiral Lohar I believe if a trans actor and his character is referred to as him accordingly which I think is fantastic!

[@MugShotzReacts]

Abigail Thorn is trans, and uses she/her pronouns. On Twitter she said: "Playing Sharako Lohar on #HouseOfTheDragon was the most fun job I’ve ever had. Women coming into our power is one of the themes of S2. Sharako embodies that by being a woman who goes beyond what society expects from her."

[@Bled420]

@@MugShotzReacts when I looked it up it says they came out in January of 2021 as trans

[@Alejojojo6]

You are correct, out of all the dragons that lived most will die in this war and only like 5 survived, and 2 were the wild ones and some other I wont mention cause of spoilers, who died of old age without issue. The last one that survived and laid eggs well... the dragons that hatched from those eggs were sick and feeble, and the last dragon was small and only lived one year. And with her death the race of dragons was officially extinct.

[@anais6654]

50:20 no i’m sorry she need to kill him

[@jayson1geek479]

The whole season was disappointing

[@havok6280]

Joffrey spoiled what happens at the end of the war, so you might not want predictions from non book readers either...

[@cascade1788]

Imho, I don't see that as a spoiler at all. Take this analogy; the star wars prequels where made after the twist in the Empire Strikes Back, if you watch the original trilogy before you watch the prequels you could potentially ruin the reveal in the prequels. BUT; the prequels where written with the expectation that the majority of people have already seen the original movies, thus the 'twist' is less about the reveal, and more about the details that lead to it. The fact that we knew what would happen just furthered our curiosity for finding out why and how. I think joffreys 'spoiler' falls very much in the same place, HotD was written knowing that people have heard the conclusion already, and the excitement shouldnt be for the conclusion but how we arrive upon it. Edit/TLDR; Its not a spoiler if nothing is spoiled, the ending isn't a twist that has been ruined. We just know the conclusion already, and that is fine.

[@MugShotzReacts]

Yes for sure but how do we end up there!

[@havok6280]

​​@@cascade1788the difference is EVERYONE remembers Darth Vader is Anakin Skywalker. Very few people remember who wins the Dance. It was a throwaway line that most fans missed because at the time they didn't know who Rhaenrya or Aegon was. SPOILER In this video, Stef says she doesn't believe Sunfyre is dead. If she knew the spoiler, she would KNOW Sunfyre is still alive and that he kills Rhaenrya.

[@cascade1788]

@@havok6280 I get what you mean, yet, I would still recommend new watchers who aren't familiar with Vader and Anakin to watch in release order every single time, just as I would recommend them to watch GoT with the 'spoiler' intact, simply because that is the perspective that the majority of the fan base has. Imo It's generally better to experience things how they were originally intended rather than picking and choosing parts to avoid in order to add value to other parts. (Especially ones that don't exist yet.) That said, I think the best way we can manage the information given in GoT is to not draw attention to it. By discussing its nature as a 'spoiler' we give it more importance than the scene would have done otherwise. As you said, it works as a throwaway line that we all have some vague recollection of, and thats the same way I feel new watchers should experience it.

[@havok6280]

​@@cascade1788 I didn't say watch HotD before GoT. I would however suggest not rewatching GoT before HotD is over.

[@Bled420]

In Daemon’s vision we see Bryndan ‘Bloodraven’ Rivers who’s Aegon 4th bastard who ends up becoming THE Three-Eyed Raven We also see Dany and her dragons however the showrunner say “This isn’t us saying Dany is the Prince the was Promised that’s for GRRM to do himself”

[@Ledzgo504]

I initially had a unsatisfied feeling, but after a few days to let it sit I’d give it a 4.5! Left me wanting more. And as long as the budget doesn’t get cut again and it goes back to 10 episodes the rest of the series will be intense and satisfying.

[@havok6280]

In the book, a character named Nettles claims Sheepstealer. She does so by giving him sheep. She is rumored to be Daemon's bastard daughter. The show seems to be giving Rhaena Nettles's storyline... which is an interesting choice... Rhaenyra suspects Daemon is banging Nettles and tries to have her executed...

[@MugShotzReacts]

Oh dear

[@crystall.411]

@@MugShotzReacts I doubt this will be a plot line at all we only have 2 more seasons and apparently the writers have said the drama will be between Mysaria/Rhaenyra/Daemon. More likely Daemon will be protective of Rhaena, plus it was a rumor from one source while the other source said something different.

[@wazza8026]

I understand that this episode can be a bit underwhelming for some folks as a finale, but you guys literally talked through the entire final scene and missed the incredible score, cinematography, build up … and then say that you are disappointed. 🤷🏼‍♂️ It doesn’t always have to end with a big bang, there are lot of other amazing things in this episode for those who look.

[@Mutazili]

The only they missed was Daeron riding Tessarion, and it was underwhelming too...

[@wazza8026]

Didn’t mean to say they missed anything. I like their reactions, obviously that’s why I’m watching. What I meant was in general - to some folks, it needs to be a bang, war, etc, while for some others dialogues, score, cinematography is enough. Should probably worded it differently. Wasn’t intending to point fingers at the guys, obviously they are just enjoying it the way they do. :) cheers.

[@Mutazili]

@@wazza8026 Obviously each season needs a climax, this didn't have, I'm glad we stopped at 8 tbh, Alicent's character assasination was tough to swallow, it will get me two yours to forget the poor writing.

[@MugShotzReacts]

I did miss that the first watch though, I caught it on editing but you are correct it wasn’t a closeup or anything, could nearly have been any dragon. I definitely do appreciate the cinematography in the show, it’s great, but the lack of resolution was frankly distracting! I did t necessarily need a big wow moment, but at least a tiny bit of plot resolution would have been nice

[@cascade1788]

Somehow I completely overlooked the Night King in the flashbacks, I must have blinked or looked away, but when I saw him in this reaction I laughed. He looked way too short and had one eye bigger than the other! Otherwise it seemed like a good set up episode, though not what we usually expect from a GoT universe season finale. It tied things up enough that I expect the next season to be a lot more action packed.

[@havok6280]

Not the Night King. Just a White Walker.

[@rutgerdejong1660]

it wasnt the night king though haha

[@cascade1788]

@@rutgerdejong1660 ahh well, that makes more sense! shouldve paused and had a better look lol

[@boxmulla]

Could be the Night King from the first Long Night, not the one we saw from Game of Thrones

[@havok6280]

There was no Night King in the first long night. In fact, there is no Night King in the books.

[@3rdOption-l9t]

🎆🎉 After his big night, his name is now 😫 *Tired* Lannister. 🧖‍♀🧖‍♀🧖‍♀ ♾

[@MugShotzReacts]

HAHAHAAH FANTASTIC