How a Coffee Company Spied On You And Broke The Law...

Hello guys and gals, it's me Mutahar again! What's the most Canadian thing that could happen to you? Try some good old fashioned location tracking that tracks anytime you leave home, go to work and leave the country? Is it the government or the police doing this? Try a place that sells you coffee, how and why? Let's find out! Thanks for watching!
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[@SomeOrdinaryGamers]

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[@MysticLGD]

GOS

[@owenthetechie7736]

nice

[@General_lee69420]

i love u daddy india

[@barenbloke8019]

first

[@chrisf6123]

@@General_lee69420 LMFAOO

[@spacecadet9663]

1:10- this has actually happened before, as fucked up as it is. There was a lady in the southern US who managed to escape from an abusive relationship, only to be tracked down and harassed by her ex-husband after he bought deanonymized data from a data broker on the internet. Thankfully the guy was arrested for harassment and stalking charges before the situation could escalate to further violence, but I can only imagine how traumatizing it must've been for the woman involved in this situation. The fact than any average Andy could buy data from licensed data brokerage firms and conceivably deanonymize that data to track someone down is completely insane and should be reason enough for governments to take a closer look at further regulation of these industries. Maybe one day they'll do something about it to protect our privacy, but until then everyone should take pains to protect it themselves, because you truly never know who might be looking for you.

[@ragglefraggle5307]

The United States is only for profit and will only do something once it negatively affects profit

[@spacecadet9663]

@Don't read profile photo no, just because you typed this comment out I will read your name twice. Once for fun, the other out of pure spite

[@hello_2221]

sorry if this is gonna waste your time, but could you provide a news article on that? i am curious

[@dubstep1]

@@spacecadet9663 it's a bot ingore thrm

[@5555Jacker]

What's the name of the case? Do you have an article I could cite? I'd love to have it on hand in case one more person says they have "nothing to hide".

[@catffiend]

The fact that its a damn coffee company doing this goes to show that really nobody is safe man.

[@КГБКолДжорджКостанца]

Nobody is, look up the Coca Cola Murders, how a soda company was able to fund a bunch of Death Squads to kill Farming Union Workers

[@Xioverze]

@Don't read profile photo ok

[@jackadam01]

You are data and they are the miners.

[@video83046]

@@jackadam01 i think its more like a farm and we are cows

[@Ecliptor.]

@@video83046 except you can do whatever you want regardless of tracking or not. You're gonna get spammed ads anyways. Muta is right that someone could access that stuff, but the chance is paranoid tier low.

[@Trooper599]

If I had a dollar for every time I explained to someone what location services was, I'd have a lot of dollars... The problem is, people just don't know. They call it "location services", when it should be called "We're gathering every step you take and where you go". They intentionally make it vague.... and it's got the word "services" in it, to help convince people it's good lol..

[@willyexp5394]

You gonna be so rich at this point, might quit your job and have a nice life at country side

[@KiraSlith]

Really, should be mandated that they call it "Location Tracking" so the average mook has a better idea of what it's doing.

[@HarukaJad3]

No, they owe us all a Toyota Corolla, or one of 300 Xbox consoles, or one of 1500 donut prizes, or 1 of 5,000 in gift card prizes, or…

[@geraldorodrigues1080]

everytime I explainded that to someone they just went like: "oh, okay..." like this is some sort of conspiracy theory

[@Trooper599]

@@geraldorodrigues1080 Yeah, I had a few like that, until I had them log into their google account and check their movement history, and Google Maps literally had a trace on every single place they travelled to, right in front of their eyes. It freaked them out.

[@ZaestraXD]

Imagine if a group used this to tell when people weren't home and started just robbing everyone. Easily abusable shit that shouldn't be collected.

[@felixfrankland3163]

the fact that even coffee company's will stalk you really tells how screwed we are

[@КГБКолДжорджКостанца]

What's next? Ben and Jerry's? Chiquita Banana? Wait they actually did do something, in 2007 Chiquita Fruit company was fined for cooperating and conducting business with the AUC or the United Self-Defense Forces of Colombia, a paramilitary known for village massaces and kidnappings aswell as drug trafficking, possibly trained by Israeli and US Forces

[@felixfrankland3163]

@@КГБКолДжорджКостанца Jesus Christ that is something else, at this point I’m not even surprised

[@КГБКолДжорджКостанца]

@@felixfrankland3163 me neither, companies still get away with this, especially coca cola who actually did the same thing as Chiquita Banana, some bottling company belonging to Coca Cola in Colombia did it all

[@0x2480]

@@КГБКолДжорджКостанца what'd you post? the comment is gone for me

[@КГБКолДжорджКостанца]

@@0x2480 I posted that "what's next? Ben and Jerry's? Chiquita Banana? Wait they actually did do something, in 2007 Chiquita Fruit company was fined for cooperating and conducting business with the AUC or the United Self-Defense Forces of Colombia, a paramilitary known for village massaces and kidnappings aswell as drug trafficking, possibly trained by Israeli and US Forces"

[@dtown902]

We should be able to sue for this. I used to be able to participate in roll up the rim without having my data mined and stolen. That data is worth more than the price of coffee. The way I see it they owe us a free coffee and more.

[@brybry111]

agreed

[@КГБКолДжорджКостанца]

I think people sued Johnson and Johnson over their products having a chemical thay gives you cancer

[@spacecadet9663]

I want a free donut since their coffee tastes like crap. You're right about being able to sue though, this behavior should be liable for punishment in a civil court.

[@dibel3669]

Try ut

[@ireallyreallyreallylikethisimg]

@@spacecadet9663 oh my god. Finally someone agrees with me. Their coffee literally tastes like water.

[@GoodVolition]

A lot of apps will just straight up brick themselves if you refuse to give them the permissions they want even if it isn't necessary for it to function.

[@DeathBean89]

That should tell you how important it is for them to track that information. If they can track things like their users' location, then they can work out e.g. where to put up billboards for their products, or predict what time of day / week they should expect you to drop in so they can make sure they have product and staff ready for peak traffic, or where they should open a new store to maximize customer capture rates (in cases like Tim's where they have physical locations). There are big financial incentives for companies to track this info for their own uses (which I understand, even if I'm not 100% okay with). The issues arise when that data is mismanaged or leaked to bad actors, as discussed in the video.

[@GoodVolition]

@@DeathBean89 Yeah. To be fair managing permissions in an application can be a real pain. It used to be not-so-bad but now the permissions are so granular it can be a headache to try organize them. At least on Android.

[@evillecaston]

Tim Horton's app would like permissions to access the following: -your precise location at all times, in case you try to cheat on us -your vitals, so we know you have enough coffee in your system at all times -your bank account, for auto-pay (cannot be canceled) -your life, and the ability to terminate it as deemed necessary

[@КГБКолДжорджКостанца]

Sounds like the CIA If you decide to look up a flight ticket to Moscow

[@flameshana9]

This will be what an AI asks us in the future.

[@jeangreffsbp]

You joke about this but in like 20 years it will be true

[@darkdest6664]

this is the future lmfao

[@tammytheranger7645]

Yep. Seems legit

[@derekrobertson60388]

Imagine as Tim Horton is tracking you and they always see you’re at Starbucks

[@КГБКолДжорджКостанца]

Like the Chiquita Banana Company tracking you in Colombia and then a group of guys with guns and the initials AUC then murder you

[@widiwoqm1544]

How are they doing so good

[@Angel-yc1ix]

this comment feels like u used speech to text

[@derekrobertson60388]

@@Angel-yc1ix this reply feels like another one of those bots

[@braydenh97]

they’ll send the Tim Horton assassins to “take care” of you

[@dirtbucket1930]

I guess spying on people isn’t just a browser exclusive controversy anymore. 🤷‍♂️

[@billyhatcher643]

they spy on all of us dude sadly america doesnt have these laws like other countries do to ask them to give us the shit we want to see what they collect

[@КГБКолДжорджКостанца]

Neither is poisoning customers tim Hortons and Monsanto did it

[@TheGuyWhoIsSitting]

I mean, all most apps are effectively is specialized web browsers.

[@SethFrmDaWest]

Eat your cereal

[@cuteflamingo6196]

Never has been

[@lilernecgs7946]

Whenever thinking about some app tracking your location, imagine if it were a private investigator doing so. It's pretty much the same thing, but the perception is completely different

[@ethanyeethan7617]

Because the data is going to be used in completely different ways, so I think it's fair the perception is different. I'm not defending this by any means, but there's obviously a difference

[@hunterromano5562]

@@ethanyeethan7617 depends heavily on who the person is that holds said data. if it's for sale/trade etc to who ever wants it could use that for marketing or to malicious effect. personally, I'd prefer if they did not have that at all marketing or otherwise.

[@Conorator]

Private investigators have to be paid, then they collect the information. Companies collect the information, then they have to be paid if somebody wants to obtain it.

[@FarnhamJ07]

@@ethanyeethan7617 I agree, a PI is different. A better analogy would be a Tim Horton's employee following you around everywhere with a clipboard, noting everywhere you go, what you do on your phone, &c., which I think is even worse and creepier.

[@Eeveelyn]

Well wasn't there a case of a woman who got killed by her abusive husband because her medical information was put online by her health provider? She was staying hidden at a shelter but he found out that she had regular appointments with a therapist so he waited there for her. This happened a long time ago so I'm not entirely sure about the details. To me that's the kind of potential danger when you don't know who does what with your data. Maybe you don't have anything to hide now but who knows what situation there could be in the future.

[@larsonfamilyhouse]

There’s definitely potential for it to happen and thats what should worry everyone. Ppl are crazy, you could say “have a great day!” to someone and mean it but the person could think you were being sarcastic and come looking for you and this type of stuff makes it soooo easy

[@whoishim2998]

@@larsonfamilyhouse that’s why I/you try not to talk to random people unless needed.

[@cetriyasArtnComicsChannel]

staying single

[@lucynyu333]

In Australia a domestic abuse victim's personal information was given to the abuser by the police officer. You can't even trust the police to protect you to keep you safe and not share your hideout from abusers. Also police got busted misusing QR check in location data. Not sure if true but i heard that if you turn your phone off government can still access your mobile phone's location and microphone

[@mangopie7602]

dunno, is there? need evidence to believe that

[@tux75]

Companies don't care if it's ethical or unethical, it's all about the money and that's the sad truth

[@jwalster9412]

@Don't read profile photo go eat a cucumber.

[@КГБКолДжорджКостанца]

It is sad, I wanna say money is the root of all evil but without money, what would it benefit from? Money is made to what root the person wants, good or evil

[@Derivedwhale45]

Nope it's bout the clout & control & they're gaining every day

[@EGHeartattack]

@@Derivedwhale45 Are you really saying companies value clout over money? We are the data and they are just constantly mining us to maximize their profits. “Clout” doesn’t have a monetary value...

[@phelan8385]

They would literally enslave us all if they could.

[@Bluehawk2008]

"User has not left home in over 153 days. Probability of buying coffee: minimal."

[@brybry111]

me

[@danko5866]

Probability of ordering coffee online: maximum

[@azalago]

Americans: A coffee company?! Canadians: Timmy's? Yeah that makes sense.

[@ClaimClam]

Canadians need to Rise Up against that Evil Corp

[@TigerTT]

It's basically the bottom tier coffee shop in the US lol

[@RGSMANIA]

@@TigerTT it's the bottom tier in Canada too 🤣

[@brandonkelly4709]

@@TigerTT yeah there’s a lot better here in Canada too. McDonald’s makes better coffee here for Christ sakes.

[@doctorspook4414]

@@brandonkelly4709 Well if you're not aware, McDonald's Canada bought out all of Tim Hortons' coffee bean farms and sources to enter the "all-day breakfast" market and Tim's has been somewhat still struggling, taste wise, since then. Tim Horton's used to be #1 in Canada until McDonald's breakfast business entered the picture.

[@bilboswaggings]

I do love how companies breaking the law only get fines, so they will stay in business and don't even need to change

[@wccrow7413]

My coffee can’t be spying on me more than my phone and computer do already

[@КГБКолДжорджКостанца]

If you live in Germany, most of the time

[@andy56duky]

@@КГБКолДжорджКостанца If your country is part of the UN, EVERY SINGLE MOMENT!

[@felipesoaresMaster]

coffee keep control the simulation

[@КГБКолДжорджКостанца]

@@andy56duky Yikes our country used to be head of the Security Council till Ukraine

[@bl4mmed]

@Don't read profile photo shut up

[@erickvillegas2544]

Knowing how many “network security” services and such(not sure the right words) were hacked and many of people’s personal information was leaked, this is actually concerning. The possibility of, either someone on the company’s side or someone who hacked their way, someone who has info on where you live, work, and your schedule and use it for a malicious purpose is a horrible thought.

[@grizzlygrimgaming1530]

Totally unrelated but my name is also Eric Villegas😃🥸

[@bbillabongs]

“It’s shitty coffee” Proceeds to buy it anyways… I have to admit. As a Canadian, that’s pretty classic

[@Olivysg]

Being a victim of the 2019 Desjardins leak, this is nothing to joke about, I've had my identity stolen multiple times since then, it seems easier for malicious agents to steal my identity than I have to prove my identity at this point.

[@jwalster9412]

As a Canadian, I can confirm, I never once used this app.

[@КГБКолДжорджКостанца]

Great you didn't, at the moment our country is being monitored and Mr putin is monitoring everything we say

[@LlanHeinrich]

I don't know anyone who ever has

[@person.w9780]

me neither

[@An.Unsought.Thought]

@@LlanHeinrich I have. It's a good way to save money on Timmies. I really don't care if they track me to be honest... If I can knock a dollar to two off an Iced Capp, I'm doing it. And its really easy to get free drinks too because the points rack up pretty quickly.

[@dubstep1]

I never knew there was a app for it.

[@shuhratkessikbayev8886]

The NSA: Well Edward Snowden exposed us for spying on them through their devices we need a new method of espionage. Something everyone trusts the most and won't think twice about. *NSA agent clocking in drinking coffee* The NSA: DeSanta you're a fucking genius!

[@koolaid33]

As someone who has Tim's everyday almost, this is something I never thought in a million years would happen. Thankfully, I don't have the app, only get the Ice Caps.

[@robloxpwnr7604]

A Timmy’s ice Capp with a chocolate glaze is the only thing that keeps me going most days at work

[@yuyaricachimuel555]

Maybe their coffee has spy sugar or something

[@yuyaricachimuel555]

Or their donuts. Or whatever you get there!

[@jvandermerwe5274]

I fully understand the whole "it's only for advertising purposes" argument when it comes to digital tracking and spying. There is a lot of data broker companies that sell more to government departments and organisations than they do to actual advertising companies. Why does governmental organisations like the NSA and CIA spend so much on buying data from these companies?

[@leli5843]

Not just random individuals, but information like what you searched and where you’ve been can be used against you legally too. This is something that’s been used a lot against women who’ve been prosecuted for their miscarriages/abortions (bc this information is used to argue that someone had an abortion, it may be that they did not)

[@user-nv7uq3zj5e]

Holy shit, that's awful

[@eskarinakatz7723]

@@user-nv7uq3zj5e Even more awful with the possibility of Roe V. Wade (and possibly other rulings based on the 14th Amendment due to originalism, AKA disregarding the 13th Amendment onwards) being overturned. [Insert angry squeaking here] …I hate how people deny other peoples’ humanity.

[@thevalorousdong7675]

@@eskarinakatz7723 Keep crying, it's going to be dictated by states' laws like it always should've rather than being something federally regulated.

[@mattguy1773]

I never thought it would be a coffee company to breat the law this time

[@DIOslayer]

Whats next that will spy on us.

[@CaptainZoidberg]

Breat?

[@КГБКолДжорджКостанца]

Coca Cola Has done it before, Chiquita Banana, Monsanto and Bayer, Coca Cola funded a group of militants to kill union workers protesting in Colombia, look up Sintrainal v Coca Cola

[@elosynn]

@Don't read profile photo alright I won’t 🐌

[@tearsintherain6311]

Breat

[@Techno-Universal]

That level of tracking should only be used for people out on probation who committed serious online crimes like if they were an online predator for example and are on probation after being released from prison!

[@jacobleroy3252]

The best part is that even though they took your locations services because "we totally wanted to make it more accurate for you bro", I never once had a location accurate menu. MENU. On the app.

[@treebush]

Sorry, Tim Hourtans stopped being Canadian since we were like in Middle school, every year it got worse and even more so after they got bought out.

[@deezgod45]

fr

[@darthsidious4499]

Fr

[@bradley8575]

Yea ever since Burger King bought them they have been becoming worse.

[@Anna-po1sb]

Imagine Tim Hortons actually improved their toilet water coffee and stomach pain food instead of this nonsense

[@CheeseWeegee]

It's impressive how Muta looks like he hasn't slept since 170 B.C every video

[@nuclearbomb9483]

He is talking about coffee here so it's appropriate

[@beardblanket8311]

“It’s not that you have to worry about the government or corporate entities…” Good one Muta 😅

[@bruh-zy1dp]

Every Canadian remembers which Tim Horton's they were at and what flavour doughnut they were eating when they heard the news that Tim Horton was spying on them.

[@henrydillard6217]

Free wifi, so they can harvest your data.

[@Gideon13397]

@@henrydillard6217 They can certainly harvest these organs I got. That would make for a delicious meat flavored doughnut mmmyummy. 😋

[@pygmalion8952]

HIMYM reference? Nice

[@KyriosHeptagrammaton]

Tim Horton's remembers what Tim's every Canadian was at when they heard the news.

[@baddabing4494]

Yep. This is the reality we live in. Can't truly escape this while participating in the modern developed world. Even VPNs leave some kind of signature. The commercial world studies humans to anticipate every need regardless of relevance, and attempts to persuade the purchasing of products off of that. As a zoomer, this has been the meta-dystopia I grew up in and continue to live in.

[@Twist3rOffical]

Well said

[@trevorjohnson4965]

@@Twist3rOffical yeah gen z here too. Saw this unfold before my eyes, tried telling people years ago, got called crazy.

[@briannawaldorf8485]

As a millennial it’s depressing knowing a time when this wasn’t normal. It makes me want to buy a flip phone.

[@timoak]

"It's not that you have to worry about the government" Yes....yes it is. Literally one of the exact reasons we should be concerned is because of government.

[@freecomkcf]

governments are predictable though, they're in bed with advertisers and try to exclude you from societal functions for not kowtowing to them. i'm more worried about Korean game companies with """""security""""" that probably predates Microsoft Edge leaking personal data to some random asshole who might want to kill me because i made something in their raid go wrong.

[@finland4ever55]

I agree

[@superneph4902]

Learned this in my digital marketing class, it’s called geo location advertising. Every app does this, as long as you agree to location services. Not just Tim Horton does this

[@justabunny999]

Its broken asf easy to manipulate and I am having fun with it. One Day english adds other Day german adds other Day Russian adds which doesnt make sense i dont live in any country which has it as native language and not even using a vpn. So people should Just develope some knowledge and manipulate the fuck out of it to troll them. Also the kinds of adds can be manipulated I only get pet stuff adds so I am okay.

[@superneph4902]

@@justabunny999 yeah we learned how to make targeted ads for peoples interests. Apps you download come with around 6 different types of cookies which track device activity if you opt in. So if you look up pet food frequently, youll probably get pet ads. We also made keyword ads, so if you search the word “Smartphone” and a paid to have that keyword to make my iPhone ad show up, it’ll show up for people who search smartphone

[@mephiles6432]

No shit Sherlock.

[@danko5866]

How is location data useful to advertise?

[@superneph4902]

@@danko5866 one way it’s useful is to give targeted push notifications when you enter a store. For example, if you enter a Marianos, the app will know and give you a push notification promoting something they know you like to buy. Another value of location data is to keep you from competitors. If I have the McDonald’s app and pull into the Burger King parking lot, the app can set off a push notification letting me know of a deal on a McDonald’s meal to keep me from eating at bk. A third benefit of location data is to send personalized push notifications to better tell users to stop at their restaurant. For example, if the McDonald’s app knows you pick up your kids from school at 4, they may send you a push notification saying something like “you’ve had a long day, after picking up the kids from school, let us handle dinner so you can relax”. If the location data shows you eat lunch routinely at 12:30, the app will pick up on that and send you lunch promotions at that time. Retail stores use location data to track how long you shop in store, tracking efficiency of the shopping experience. The main value of location data is to create a consumer profile of habitual travel and recurring eating habits. The app hopes to make stopping at certain stores and restaurants a natural part of your daily routine. As the tracking becomes more precise, more uses will be added.

[@paulmccartneyofc6883]

Don't buy coffee. Find your own coffee seeds in the wild. Plant your own coffee. Grind you own coffee. Be your own coffee

[@notcatisa]

or simply... dont develop caffeine addiction?

[@paulmccartneyofc6883]

@@notcatisa not possible. Saying someone can be addicted to coffee is like saying someone can be addicted to oxigen or water. It's not logical.

[@bioshock2712]

@@paulmccartneyofc6883 that sounds like someone with a caffeine addiction

[@AidsGiver]

first the duck now the bean water? What is wrong with the world.

[@choxr]

💀💀💀IM DEAD

[@RandomBogey]

This is something I’ve suspected has been going on for a long time and why I don’t install a company’s app just because they have an app. Most of those services I don’t even use regularly enough to justify having an app on my phone. Like, I don’t need an app on my phone for the single time I order pizza in a six month period. And 99.99% of the companies with an app have a web app that looks and works exactly the same as, a lot of times much better than, their app store app. Just add a bookmark to their web app to your home screen and it will open to their site just like an app would, but it limits the amount of data they can gather.

[@Trancedd]

Doesn't it do the opposite? Genuine question.

[@flameshana9]

@@Trancedd The opposite of what?

[@Trancedd]

@@flameshana9 The opposite being that a web app is not "better" than an installable app, as such. Doesn't a web app have access via an API you can't see? I honestly don't know, asking for a friend and all that.

[@randomstuff-qu7sh]

What's really "fun" are products that force you to use their app in order to use the product...and then the app wants every permission under the sun. I wish that the permissions we could give were more granular. It feels like the permissions are extremely broad, not very clear what access you're giving, and many folk don't even know how to turn them off again once the permission is given. With a system like that, abuse is easy.

[@RandomBogey]

@@randomstuff-qu7sh The iOS “*ask* not to be tracked” Yeah, I bet they honor that…

[@chrisball3778]

This is why there's such a big drive to encourage people to go 'cashless' in so many places. Information about exactly how, when and on what people spend their money is the absolute holy grail for advertisers. All of the other information they can gather helps them target you, but transaction data not only helps them with that, but also lets them directly gauge the success of their campaigns. They can send out a batch of ads, then watch in real time to see what percentage of recipients buy the product. The card companies are absolutely creaming themselves at the idea of being able to control all of this data and sell it to the highest bidder.

[@hermitgreenn]

Even when you're not using Google Pay, they know what you're buying and when if you use a banking app at all.

[@synexiasaturnds727yearsago7]

We live in a world where people are actively saying "let's go steal user data for cash money" and we just don't give a fuck, what did anyone except

[@-cyndaquil]

attendre*

[@user-qh2ns6vz9v]

Wysiwysiwysiwysiwysiwysiwysiwysiwysiwysiwysi

[@CaptainXLAB]

This is absolutely insane... and I hope it's enough for people to finally wake up and decide to take control of what goes on their phones and take matters into their own hands. Get over that irrational fear of rooting phones... Get Magisk, also get LSposed, Greenify and XPrivacyLua, feed such apps fake data and restrict any access from them that they don't need, and keep these apps greenified so they only work when you explicitly open them, instead of them running constantly in the background, possibly collecting all this information. I've gone out of my way and done this for EVERY app on my phone that has internet access and that can function without whatever permissions/access, just because of a possibility of what Muta's describing here could happen, and I'd say it's well-worth the effort after seeing what happened in this case :)

[@IsomerMashups]

I swear EVERY app asks for location permissions, and most of the time I can't even guess what they would need it for. For instance: why does Reddit ask for location permissions? I turned that off day 1 and it has never caused me to miss out on a single feature.

[@colin3ds1]

I think i know why they track all this The tim hortons app basically randomly selects a set of coupons for you every month One thing i noticed a long time ago is that everyone gets different coupons What i think is that If you go to tim hortons less Or go to the competition Tim hortons will change what selection of coupons you get Sometimes you get really good coupons and sometimes you get really shitty coupons

[@tissuepaper9962]

Location data *cannot* be "anonymized". It's inherently identifiable.

[@Sebastianator01]

You have no idea how much I look forward to seeing your videos 🎉

[@Future_Max]

When my phone broke back in February, I bought a flip phone to improve my security. As for Tim Hortons, when they started their "Spend $50, Get Coffee" or whatever program started with physical cards.

[@pidojaspdpaidipashdisao572]

It's sad that you have to defend your privacy with "if this was leaked a hitman could kill me". It should just be private without asking questions or requiring explanations.

[@freecomkcf]

bookmarking this comment for posterity, this is probably a more effective explanation than "lul gubmint knows my porn preferences"

[@WretchedIcon]

Imagine a coffee company realizing you're visiting another coffee place and introducing sponsored people in your life to subconsciously implant motivations towards their brand. YOUR FRIENDS ARE NOTHING BUT WALKING BILLBOARDS MEANT TO TARGET ADVERTISE. Okay, okay, I'll calm down

[@pygmalion8952]

That is a good dystopia plot. You should work on it OR I should work on it thx for the idea bucko

[@danko5866]

When tech like Neuralink develops completely, it's possible

[@thebbqbandito2868]

Muta: “there’s not some secret Illuminati tracking your every move” Me:”that’s exactly what the Illuminati would say.”

[@3rdHalf1]

Some years ago I started to recieve weird mails and calls to my personal phone. After some digging and pure luck I found out that an internet store I bought some stuff ended and they sold customer information as a part of bankruptcy sale.

[@pong9000]

My phone provider, on the day they remind of unpaid bill, lifts the filter which normally blocks scam calls. When you pay the bill the scam calls stop. They can do this because protection from such calls is a free service not in the contract.

[@TommyCrosby]

This is why OSes should have a "default location" setting where you can set your city manually in the settings and get your weather or local store list without giving actual GPS data or having to input manually your zip/postal code.

[@PepperoniMilkshake]

I feel betrayed, I wanna cry, can't even have a hot drink without it jeopardizing my privacy.

[@cushyuu]

just dont use the app duh

[@EricClapton1945]

Thank you for educating me Muta!

[@allyourpie4323]

The worst thing is when you are so used to it that you think it's okay.

[@jarboer]

I also live in Canada and did the app to track your driving history to get a discount. I ended up getting the max of 25% but it was only possible because I live in the country and didn't drive a whole lot aside from going from my house to the city for school. I was also smart about choosing which rides to say I drove (I'd not mark certain times as me driving because it penalized you for driving during rush hour which is kinda dumb to get punished for imo), I kept to the speed limit and I think the app preferred rural driving.

[@randomstuff-qu7sh]

It penalizes you for higher risk activities. Statistically speaking, accidents are more likely to happen when roads are more crowded, making rush hour a more dangerous time to drive.

[@jarboer]

@@randomstuff-qu7sh true but it’s not like if you have a job or school you can really avoid that

[@b_e_p_i_s_m_a_n6212]

Yeah, after MGR memes basically hooked me into the series, I started watching MGS4's cutscenes and noted how the only part of the SOP system that's kind of a stretch today is the nanomachine bit, which is a bit scary if I'm being honest.

[@AJ-po6up]

For now, who knows maybe nanomachines will become common in the future, just like in the Metal Gear universe.

[@ShadowBaofu]

If you ask me nanotechnology's just around the corner. It just needs to be cheaper or something such.

[@alolanstarboy]

I’ve been in the process of moving and looking for new apartments this past month and as a result I’ve had to use a lot of Uber and other apps to set up stuff. Many times I’ve been tempted to just remove the location restrictions I’ve placed on all my installed apps so I can move through them faster without having to manually enable permissions each time. Thankfully I stuck by my initial decision and did grant these apps any more permissions than they need cos I’m 100% sure granting them unrestricted location permissions for even an hour is enough for them to build a very solid profile of your habits based on where you’re travelling

[@friendofp.24]

Please continue to preach privacy and self security. You have a big platform that influences millions. Thank you.

[@polaris911]

Google and Apple deserve some blame for this. The OS on our phones should be more transparent about *when* location sharing is happening, what's being collected and how specific, etc. The OS should be protecting user privacy.

[@n0odles86]

They're collecting the same data lol

[@megadragon10ful]

Great day when Muta uploads

[@Cooper-zc6iq]

ok

[@Dr_Steal_Computer]

har

[@Crimin4L]

They need to pass a simple law, if you hold any information on someone who did not submit that information to your website, you should be 100% liable. Do not store information on your website/server that was not submitted to your website/server PERIOD.

[@thundurr]

This is flawed, why would companies have dedicated servers for every service to store data on. It is much easier to store all data on to one massive server for all services. Also you are forgetting the biggest flaws: 1/3 of the internet runs on Amazon's Servers, data is stored there, does that make THEM liable even though they didnt do anything?

[@YungAlone]

1:20 thank you for actually speaking about this a lot of bigger youtubers are too scared to speak on this topic because of top techs plan to silence all smaller creators who speak about real life topics that can actually make a big difference for the world

[@WittyDroog]

This discussion reminds me about when I was in the retail business and back in 2008 we went to a trade show where a company was showcasing technology in which multiple wifi routers would ping phones (note: You didn't have to log onto said router, by sheer virtue of communicating the SSID name in the list of nearby routers was enough) and triangulate your exact position within a store. The idea was to use that data to create more effective planograms and know where to put key items for best visual potential. At the time it felt so weird and almost dystopian that such intricate tracking didn't require any permission, it was just simply how wifi signals worked and that cell phones with wifi were quickly gaining ubiquity. That company was Inpixon, and from what I understand it and numerous similar competitors are so common that any major corporate retail space is likely using some form this technology. Just food for thought.

[@RolandHazoto]

Plot Twist: Tim Horton's is secretly the world's biggest assassin organization

[@notcatisa]

i knew that min wage worker was up to something when they looked at me funny.....

[@thorburnjschwegler]

The United States got CIA The British got MI6 The Canadians got Tim Hortons

[@chickenlittle5095]

Buy 10 kills, get one free?

[@TheAnimeDude]

Thanks for the advice Muta

[@funkymcmonkey187]

Always good to have these reminders if the fact that YOU are the product in many cases. These kinds of practices are scummy af. Thx Muta

[@overthinkinggamer7377]

Yeah, with all the 80 year olds in government positions in the U.S., who are about 50 years behind the times, I imagine we would be the last country to get any kind of laws like that.

[@casketman14]

Well every government is in on it too. You think they’re out here to help you? Think again…

[@sclice8680]

I thought he was going to say the cups had cameras and could move around and see you like those cookies in Despicable Me

[@Wilfoe]

I will admit that I'm one of the ones who didn't see what was so bad about being spied on, but you raise a good point about the risks. Thanks for explaining that.

[@sloaneperry4353]

thanks for the video , youre the man muta

[@amberbehrens4949]

This is insane😂 I can't believe the breach of privacy Timmies is doing to us

[@Male_Parent]

That's why I'm so glad my phone has a "sensors off" mode. It's a developer option but it disables all sensors and even the camera. (But of course not the touchscreen or fingerprint sensor)

[@KyriosHeptagrammaton]

Does it, or does it say it does?

[@niwatorimeat]

Dude, I love your cybersecurity related videos!

[@DrownedLamp]

Was gonna purging my device this weekend, putting these high on my list.

[@kaylanbuyukcetin5274]

Tims has gone way downhill in the last 5 years, but I tolerated it and still went there for donuts. Now, after reading about this, I have a good reason to stay away from them permanently. They have lost my trust, and therefore lost my business. Thanks Muta!

[@nabawi7]

When your coffee tastes like coffee flavoured water, you have to do everything possible to stay afloat and monitor if you're remaining customers are jumping ship.

[@Carnage8]

I'm glad it's out in the open like this. Shows people how predatory these companies act when it comes to your data.

[@user-jt3jq1md8r]

Thanks for the info brother

[@robr135]

Tim Hortons somehow convinced all Canadians that shitty d-grade coffee was the best thing ever. Not to mention they spread like locusts forcing actual good bakeries to close down in favor of their frozen-to-cooked foods.

[@isaacgray2909]

smh everyone is sleeping on Second Cup

[@MarioLuigi0404]

Nobody goes to Tim’s for the coffee. It’s all about the Timbits.

[@КГБКолДжорджКостанца]

They spread locusts? Like Monsanto they put chemicals in their weed killer for the consumer to get a terminal disease?

[@MatureAdultwithabusinessdegree]

The bakery and ice caps are fine, but by God the coffee and breakfast menu is hot garbage

[@kenos911]

Sandwiches and ti bits are the best things they sell ngl

[@Spencer-wc6ew]

Tbh I was under the assumption that every company app that asked for location data did exactly this. I'm more surprised that a government would do an investigation over it. I guess living in the US has given me a more cynical view of governments and rights than I realized

[@Harpss]

thanks timmys, always here for us

[@steak1394]

speaking of not worrying about the government/companies that are doing the spying. you are correct your fine as long as it doesn't get compromised. For now... that company or govt can change their mind in a heartbeat

[@lilyofthevaIIey]

Hey dude can you make a big comprehensive video on how to clean your data from companies and devices after not having been careful for years :( This is actually terrifying.

[@TheGuyWhoIsSitting]

Your best bet is to probably use Linux and turn off most features on a web browser. There are some browsers out there that default turn that stuff off and delete your sessions when you close the app. But honestly it’s difficult to truly hide if you’re online unfortunately. Best way to hide is to have your computer or phone offline and even then stuff is still being beamed out. Even when it’s off.

[@p3wter0l0l3]

You probably can’t

[@ThisIsTheBestAnime]

Oh, by the way, even if you don't want your accounts deleted, privacy policies often also have an opt-out relating to the use of your data for advertisement "personalization". This is the core reason for most companies to want your data, it's worth money to serve you more specific ads that you're more likely to be influenced by. So a good step to enhancing your privacy is disabling advertisement personalization wherever you see the possibility. Every company that does this is legally required to have an opt-out guide for it in their privacy policy. The big steps you can take yourself regardless of privacy policies include clearing cookies, resetting the advertising ID on your phone and no longer blindly clicking accept every time a big green button appears.

[@flameshana9]

@@ThisIsTheBestAnime That's what I do but unfortunately it doesn't actually protect you. They'll still collect the data, but it just won't be as valuable to resell.

[@jurassicarkjordanisgreat1778]

Oh come on, Can I have the hashbrowns for five seconds without being spied on? The hashbrown hotel is out of business atm!

[@КГБКолДжорджКостанца]

Well I would ask coca cola if they should stop conducting businesses with death squads

[@GatGabit]

0:25 Bingo, it's why I hate the whole "nothing to hide" argument. Not only is it not true (everyone has something they want private), the problem is access control and protection being in the hands of the person.

[@butterofthepeanut3444]

I love how muta looks straight into the camera like we finding out about the matrix now

[@Bendilin]

Legitimately, McDonald's bought out the place Tim Hortons got its coffee beans from originally, which is why most Canadians switched to McDonald's coffee; it's literally the better, classic Tim Hortons coffee. And I don't even like/drink coffee (how do I function? I don't.)

[@pvince8723]

Yah its weird that I have to explain this to some Canadians. They still use Tims cause like oh Canadian brand but it hasn't been Canadian in years. Exclusively go to McD's now for coffee if im not feeling fancy and looking for Second Cup.

[@itwsntme]

The location services implementation in iOS had the right idea, but isn't as good as it should. They will put up this icon to let you know some app is using location services, good idea. But the find my iphone feature (the only feature I want to give access to location services) also makes the icon show up. This makes the icon useless. It would be much better if it was a badge on the application icon.

[@newbiegamelover4767]

Dude! When I saw the thumbnail, I legitimately thought that this was this was a Food Theory video! Imagine my surprise when it was this channel that this was posted on!

[@clairmac]

I was waiting to see if you covered this because it's a massive Canadian brand and to be honest I hate how many companies "need" my data. I wish laws were more strict on this and hopefully something good comes of this.

[@thefilmdirector1]

*american brand. it was bought by burger king years ago. Dont kid yourself.

[@Rougrou1597]

I just want to hear Muta yell in Hinde at some New Delhi scamers😂😂

[@КГБКолДжорджКостанца]

That'd be pretty epic watching a bunch of scammers get cursed at at their own language, Telephone Fraud against Indians

[@thedj9553]

Muta and Jim Browning should collaborate on that lol

[@Rougrou1597]

@@thedj9553 Scambater

[@jamjmith]

I live in Maine, we had a tim hortons in my town for 7 years, then Dunkin’ Donuts moved in and the tims was closed down within a month lmao

[@darthsidious4499]

Rather have dunkin donuts than hortons.

[@wizardmaster7475]

@@darthsidious4499 nah dunkin is still trash. At least in my state. The only time I can’t get good coffee from dunkin is if I get the kuerig cups.

[@justgrady4281]

The moment I saw this on the news. I knew you were gonna cover it lmaoo

[@dianarune9704]

Muta saying "are they cheating on us? 💅" Is all I need to get by today. 😹 I pray he never has to use this sentence in proper context. 💪

[@GBomb9704]

At this point I’m expecting the air to be spying on us.

[@chancy4116]

carbon diox-spyed

[@Blue2x2x]

@@chancy4116 If the information gets leaked and into the public, it would be Carbon Doxxed-spyed. (I'll let myself out)

[@TheDiamondMaskBSS]

Well hahaha there go my permanent trust issues again haha don't you just love living the fucking monitored life of an average civilian with every single goddamn step being recorded, from what places you go to, to even tracking your WORK LOCATION.

[@arandomcommenter412]

ok

[@kenos911]

What can you and I, the everyday person, do about it? Yeah.

[@magneric]

@@kenos911 go offline and live out in the country I guess

[@kenos911]

@@magneric I want to not live in isolation

[@LazyShady]

Muta, could you do a video over the companies that will audit your name and see all the companies that have your data? They apparently will send the legal doc to those companies to delete your data.

[@BurningSnoMan]

The privacy request thing in the US depends on the state I believe.