How a Flare Led to a 9 Year Ban | Victory Bitter

[@robertobonelli5564]

Please do a documentary on the mistreatment of football fans in Australia. For years now people such as Cody have been banned for showing passion and the main reason is because the media and Australian sporting community do not understand football and how different the culture is. As mentioned by Cody, many fans have been handed bans with no appeals which has led to the decrease in engagement among many, as well as decreasing the product of the A-League itself. Footballs main factor which separated it from other codes in Australia was active support which has been dwindled out by the FFA, clubs etc. Football without fans is nothing and the governing bodies are yet to understand this which could ultimately fold the league entirely in the not so distant future

[@MVFCfanatic23]

Absolutely spot on comment! Couldn't agree more. Be good to get an updated version on how it is currently.

[@flanostu]

Don't think much has come after this tbh kzbin.info/www/bejne/qGXHequDlqmihpY&ab_channel=COPA90Football

[@jaggirl]

To be fair I've seen many act like fools. That are blind drunk on arrival. That does spoil it for the other fans. You try sitting next to them. Surely there has to be another way. 9 years is way too harsh though. I'm assuming he wasn't drunk and our of control. There's nothing wrong with being a passionate fan. But we don't want to end up like the UK, and what goes on, at some of their soccer games. Media sux. Blows everything out of proportion.

[@jacksontokley5654]

@@jaggirl If you’ve ever been involved in an active support group, you would know that this so called violent, hooligan culture that is so prevalent in Australian football is just absolutely not true. In fact, I would bet you’d get more antisocial behaviour at AFL/NRL games. And these isolated incidents that do happen, albeit rare, is always only confined to the active support area particularly at the front. Not around families where it occurs in NRL/AFL games.

[@nickmawson6757]

I love how the police guy says it's only young males at football rather than families and that's why they are dangerous. However in the last 3 years there have been more incidents of violence in afl and nrl then there are in football. Also the majority of fans at football in Australia are family's. If he wants to make a public comment like that he should do his research first. Sadly no one in the Australian media likes and embraces football and it's culture. This is why we feel opresed as football fans.

[@glenng8547]

Terrible the treatment of football fans in Australia.. I followed victory since the start but have lived in Germany for the last 5 years and the Fan culture is amazing.. Australia should take note from Europe on how it should be ran in stadiums

[@spunkyj9642]

Like the old saying goes "No Pyro, No Party"

[@senorsanchez-aus3901]

Alienation and suffocation of active support in Australia is what led football to become stale and what it is today. I used to take pride in doing away days with my team supporters and want to do every away day every year, these days I don't even feel like attending a home game, as that's how stale and sanitised it's become, and yes I want my team to win but it's not the same. None of that heaving atmosphere that drew the neutral to a game. I had brought an enormous amount of neutrals that had never been to a football match, who then would message me every week about coming along, and some even traveling interstate due to that infectious raw element of atmosphere. And I'll always say this, with a mediocre standard of game in this country, the largest draw card was always going to be active support, if someone like myself who's traveled the entire world watching football is struggling to attend that draconian sanitised product in person, how would a neutral feel? A fellow mate summed it up perfectly with this "It used to be such a buzz. Getting a train into the city by 11am for beers all day. Rivals were in town, pubs were packed, streets were overtaken, everything was organised, and you hadn’t even seen a football been kicked yet. Banners, tifos, pyro, flags, kids not snapchatting everything. They were great times. Our Atmosphere made the football what it was. Once everything has been taken away and fans have been banned, you’re left with this. Stale, boring, repetitive and predictable football along with over authoritarian governing."

[@jontiswe]

That's so sad to hear...Here in Sweden the football level of the domestic league is also really low, but the fans of especially the big city clubs are what make it worth following at all. Here they also have done a lot of bad treatment towards supporters but at least not as bad as it seems to be there, seeing this and reading your comment.

[@jaggirl]

It's nothing like it was in the 80s. It was a great atmosphere. A lot of the changes in the game have made it soft and less enjoyable. I know some rules were made to benefit the players from being badly hurt. But the rest have turned it too soft. There was nothing wrong with the odd smack in the mouth..my opinion In saying that, I'm talking about rugby league. That's my game. But it's no different. Like you said it was the atmosphere, even the build up before the game. It's all gone now. Our children will never experience, nor have those great memories. You seem to have more passionate fans though. There's a lot of money involved nowadays. I suspect that has a lot to do with things.

[@aidygooner]

See the actions in the Melbourne derby today and you can see that the authoritarian method is justified.

[@jackieg336]

I'll never forget the time, my friends and I from The Cove were detained in a small police room under SCG Stadium. They made us take out our ID's and they went through each of us at a time, saying it was a warning. A warning because people went under our tifo and didn't follow the instructions. 30-40 mins after detaining us, we got kicked out of the stadium. The club got involved and supported us. Due to our mistreatment the club decided we will never have games there again.

[@WeCuban]

Ever since after 15/16, victory active support dropped so much

[@Elksy72]

They shut themselves down, cause of the bans were flying out left right and centre. Only last season did the fans reform a proper active support group and its great to see

[@WeCuban]

@@Elksy72 Yeah went to a few games last season, just wasn’t the same anymore tho

[@jvckstevenz413]

Like a lot of active support tbh, RBB went under for a bit, Citizens are gone now too

[@jacksontokley5654]

@@jvckstevenz413 As someone who regularly attends in the RBB, that didn’t go under because of mistreatment of fans (which by no doubt had an impact) but because of success. WSW were wildly successful in our first few seasons as we all know but ever since then the performances have gone downhill and so have attendances. I’ll bet you any money once we make finals again wanderers fans will really pick up again

[@VIGGERSJ]

Active support has been dying in this country since around 2015 and its a real shame. Active support is what separated "soccer", from AFL and NRL, but fans have been mistreated by the FFA and clubs themselves. A lot of games seem to have little to no atmosphere at all, a "big blue" semi-final between Sydney FC and Melbourne Victory was attended by only 17,000 people, previously we've had 50,000 at a regular season Victory v Sydney game. It's a shame to see this happen and hopefully something happens to improve the situation or else it seems that the league could fold

[@brendanwessling4702]

There needs to be a full documentary about this. The game of football in Australia has been politicised and beaten up by the media and other codes because most of the Australian population don't have a clue on the culture of football. Active supporter bases even have a set of strict rules to be more 'family friendly'

[@bhavishshah2415]

Their stadium is just amazing , geodesic dome roofs

[@spacebound12]

AAMI Park is a sight to behold

[@joeyflood118]

@@spacebound12 a sight soccer can’t even fill

[@ashthetrain3719]

@@joeyflood118 football*

[@TheRapLiker]

They said 145 flares a year as if it's a lot. :)))

[@menameslim7447]

Fun fact: you are all first untill u refresh

[@ChicoCarvallo]

Dum fact: you copied this comment.

[@menameslim7447]

@@ChicoCarvallo fun fact: if u were gonna hate don't comment anything

[@HurryUpGrandma]

No mention from the policeman about all the people getting the shit knocked out of them at AFL. Hilarious

[@jontiswe]

That's just extreme, so sad to hear. Football without fans is nothing. And it's not the only country who is to some extent trying to push down on supporters, although this seems to be amongst the most extreme. And legalize pyro! No pyro no party!

[@laurensdeen3912]

No pyro no party🔥

[@youlusnjehdhd9283]

if you’re gonna do a story on how Australian active support has been mistreated, please look into the shed end/Perth active support. Tragic story but one that’s never been told.

[@kevindaoo]

message me about it!!

[@alexaccini3145]

Ur not special, everyone has had shit thrown at them, the McArthur bulls groups barely exist yet and they are already getting shafted

[@juicyjason7855]

Alex Accini ikr

[@youlusnjehdhd9283]

@@alexaccini3145 don’t even try compare the two. One hasnt had a league game yet, and the other has had 2 and abit decades of active support that got abused by the system of the FFA. The shed/Perth active support has been one of the worst treated supporter group in the country

[@metinyagci8986]

Don’t forget the RBB. They got treated badly as well

[@liamhosmer7706]

This club means the world to me I couldn’t imagine not being able to go to Melbourne victory games

[@insertnamehere5809]

After what happened last Saturday, the FA didn't go hard enough!

[@urfacesoccer]

Pyro is not a crime

[@cleverbobby]

It just looks really crap :(

[@cleverbobby]

And yes, it's against the law. Which makes it a crime, as far as my understanding of the law goes...

[@vola7342]

Legends bring back the culture 💯‼️

[@jaggirl]

Another fun fact. Flares, clowns and alcohol do not mix.

[@miracle_the_cat]

Well damn that’s a long ban

[@badboybanton]

#freecody

[@xalbanator4774]

“Afl crowd is less violent” rightio....

[@Curva_West]

In Victoria we live in both a nanny state compounded by a dislike for true football. Truth be told an A League crowd of 5,000 has more atmosphere than 45,000 AFL crowd. Police view in video is not true. I go to A League games where there are many women and children around (sometimes with dads not there).

[@carlton4ever152]

The media have been killing football since the 70’s with the nsl

[@matthewmcneany]

It's hard one, you want a good atmosphere but also you want games to be somewhere that are suitable for supporters of all age and dispositions. Maybe some sort of social credit system for fans who get bans, so that those who care can get back to what they love through community service or sanctioned charity work etc.

[@anthonyliparota466]

Should not be a ban at all. But I get what you’re saying.

[@matthewmcneany]

​@@anthonyliparota466 Again it's hard to tell only getting one side of the story, I don't know what evidence the club had against the lad to really make a judgement myself. If there's rules in place then people have got to follow them or be willing to deal with the consequences (both fine options btw - I'm not trying to make a moral judgement on the guy) even if you disagree with those rules, that just life.

[@Besiktas1903cArsi]

don`t know where you from but if you said this in Poland, Greece, Italy, Serbia etc they would just laugh at you with their ass.

[@Anvil35]

This aged horribly

[@sulty0310]

Unfortunately the police ruin the sport here in Australia, go Wanderers boys! 🔴⚫️

[@StefanOsfit]

Victory!!!!

[@sharpbleydz500]

How could they ban a team for 9 years all for the sake of pyro!? Sheez.

[@elijahwatson2136]

Rules in Australia are pretty strict, however things are improving as safe flares are coming in now which is good.

[@jacksontokley5654]

@@elijahwatson2136 safe smoke is absolutely shit let’s not kid ourselves

[@GS-jn9qk]

Copa, do a documentary of the real clubs of Australia and not this plastic league

[@Darwinek]

Please create English captions for this video. Aussie English is hard to understand.

[@jcurcija4066]

Huh? 😂

[@alexaccini3145]

😂

[@c.9220]

Love this channel let's see some Portuguese league content. Benfica braga sporting porto famlicao

[@0T2379]

Its interesting that when flares are lit when an AFL team win their competition its totally fine. In some media reports it was labelled as exciting and fans celebrating. Typical conservative Australian media. Complete double standards and in some cases discriminating. I personnaly don't like flares being lit inside stadiums but the absolute bias in coverage is typical of the media here and the ignorance of the police.

[@kulbhushanbasnet227]

Far better than mls 😂😂(shyte)

[@jamesmcloughlin4200]

Why don't you aussies bring this to the nrl

[@arkajyotipaul3183]

Cause football fan culture is completely different

[@jamesmcloughlin4200]

@@arkajyotipaul3183 football and rugby league clucture is the same in UK

[@chrism4816]

@@jamesmcloughlin4200 Because in the UK the fan base come from the same culture. There is no real difference in background for someone who goes to watch Huddersfield Town as someone who goes to watch Huddersfield Giants whilst it's completely different in Australia. Football copped decades of outright hostility from Anglo Australia stemming from thinly veiled racism that it ended up developing it's own fan culture that was heavily influenced from countries where people migrated from. That's why don't see this style of support at NRL games because it developed organically within Football and would feel completely foreign for fans of other sports.

[@rerooar]

Because no one that still watches the NRL can afford it.

[@outright4620]

Get ban? just set off more flares then 😅

[@Paulkuriansunny]

352nd viewer! Edit : it's a sarcasm, please understand (i hate typing this rn) 🤦‍♂️🤷‍♂️

[@CristianoRonaldo-sm6qy]

Didnt ask g

[@johndogwalker2531]

No one cares

[@Paulkuriansunny]

@@CristianoRonaldo-sm6qy understand sarcasm?

[@Paulkuriansunny]

@@johndogwalker2531 there is a thing called sarcasm my friend.

[@awgroom]

Life ban is appropriate

[@robr.3679]

Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

[@michaelfeast9869]

Why is Copa90 giving this guy airtime and supporting him? It's hooligans like this that give the sport a bad name. This is why I don't go to see games live. Ban him for life, you get what you get and you don't get upset. This guy is a repeat offender, he's admitted it on this video!!!!

[@williamoldaker2437]

This guy sets a flare off and that makes him a hooligan? Your delicate sensibilities wouldn’t get you far at a live game so good thing you stay home.

[@dinoo-n7x]

And if flares are so dangerous, why just don't ban flags because you can beat someone with it?

[@GodsDumbLamb]

No its sell outs that kill the fan culture to try and make it more advertisment friendly. Futbol el jogo bonito, has always been about passion love and excitement. Not cucked shit. Its a shame that they are trying to stamp out a important pillar of futbol in a nation where it just got its resurgance 20 years ago

[@niggin9271]

Second 😎

[@CristianoRonaldo-sm6qy]

Didnt ask g

[@niggin9271]

why even bother yourself

[@cleverbobby]

Flares are pretty lame, especially in this country. Support your team. Go for it. Sing your bloody arse off. March to the ground. Go crazy when your team scores. But flares are crossing a dangerous (and pretty crappy looking) line. Having said that, I do feel a little bit of sympathy for this guy as he seems to be sorry for what he did, and he obviously loves football. But bloody hell, what was he thinking...?