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[@RobTalksHockey]

VHL Forum - Register Today! vhlforum.com/register/ Can you think of a situation (injury, trade, etc) that created a domino effect?

[@Golden_Trio_HP]

one trade that definitely did create a domino effect was the mike hoffman trade from the sens.

[@matthewklassen7457]

McSorley for a bit, eliminated enforcers making the NHL more european (open ice, more finesse, less violence)... but didn't snowball enough to matter and change the league enough. Violence still talks and the NHL/Dept Player Safety vs NHLPA is a much bigger divide. (since ted lindsay's days)

[@Sir_Sydney_live]

Patrick Stepan missing the empty net

[@matthewklassen7457]

@@Sir_Sydney_live what was the domino effect created after? this one is interesting, I wanna read up on it if you can please elaborate. not a criticism, I know KZbin is full of trolls. I am completely interested

[@Sir_Sydney_live]

@@matthewklassen7457 He missed the empty net which meant the Oilers clawed back to win (this is the dark days for the oilers) which meant that they had the 4th or something like that best odds at P. Kane iirc which made it so that the Blackhawks would go on and get the 3rd best odds and eventually win the lottery which got them P. Kane. And technically speaking Stepan won the Blackhawks 3 cups, Kane, Bedard (because Kane single handedly made the Blackhawks the 3rd worst team). If my explanation was kinda hard to follow I believe Hockey Psychology has a video on it.

[@muslimcatpfp]

Dach's injury coming right out out of the gate this season is just so sad he has to wait a whole other year to score his 100th point and all MTL fans miss him it just sucks especially that the injury was against his former team

[@NicolasZorn-ty2yr]

Against his former team... by Jared Tinordi, a former Canadiens first round pick

[@ilcugginocanadese]

In his defense, Dach seems like he's going to be the typical NHL player that is prone to injuries, as in he might get a season ending injury by wearing the wrong type of socks to a new year's eve party. To be clear, I'm a Habs fan and Dach is one of my favorite players on the Habs. He moves the puck better than Nick Suzuki IMHO and if he can finally wear the correct type of socks, he might become the Habs top scorer or at least top centerman in the next few seasons.

[@muslimcatpfp]

@@ilcugginocanadeseI mean who knows.. Bergeron had insane bad luck to injuries in the beginning of his career and he bounced back so Dach can still end up well

[@ilcugginocanadese]

@@muslimcatpfp Fingers crossed. I keep picking Dach late in my hockey pool and he keeps getting injured...

[@dylankouba]

Dach wasn’t an off the board pick, he was ranked in top 5 by most scouts

[@RobTalksHockey]

Lots of scouts had him ranked as low as 8-9. For a top 3 pick I would consider that off the board

[@user-eo4wz2fz7d]

There was more on the board picks that had dach then other players

[@heathclark318]

​@RobTalksHockey not even close to off the board. Someone outside the top 20 pick sure. Someone 5 spots lower isn't that crazy. Plus he's a BIG center

[@Tampafan33]

@@heathclark318yeah 4 real😂😂

[@RobTalksHockey]

@@heathclark318 Top 3 picks have a different bar for being off the board. Many people consider Mo Seider to be an off the board pick at #6, he was rated around 12. I looked into 12 major scouting agencies, and 7 of them had Dach between 8-12. 6 had him outside the top 10. With that being said, every NHL team has their own list which is most likely way different than the public reports we see. I never said he wasn't a good selection at #3

[@LordBitememan]

It boggles my mind how this lottery system has led to some teams repeatedly winning top 3 picks and others to constantly drop spots in the draft. Also, for a system that was supposed to discourage tanking, it has failed completely.

[@EDDYEAGLE]

It’s rigged…obviously

[@grahamdamberger7130]

Players don't want to tank. Coaches don't want to tank. If the NHL doesn't believe in tanking, then why do GM's continue to trade players for picks?

[@36inc]

the only way to discourage it is to not inbuilt any bias into the lottery. i get that also just means outstanding teams could draft well all of a sudden and could be a problem in its own right but you cant disincentivize tanking and have a draft without one of these problems occuring.

[@wantsome-zs5sq]

Yeah as a Red Wings fan I'm not exactly happy with the system.

[@as53__]

@@wantsome-zs5sqsame, we’ve been screwed over by that “system” many times

[@oZxrvon]

Great video like usual Rob, 100k is crazy! Lift that play button high brother, you’ve earned it

[@RobTalksHockey]

It’s a dream. Thanks for the support!

[@IconZQc]

He could become the biggest what if in history of the NHL.

[@dayneroman9162]

You’re the best modern hockey history channel Rob, you got a good narrator voice. Give us some more like these, lots of good hockey stories rarely shared. Patrick stepan misses an empty net 12 years ago to the day. Edmonton finishes with 1 point extra, landing Chicago Kane and Oilers Ganger in the lottery.

[@RobTalksHockey]

Thanks man, I really appreciate that!

[@Unholy_Louie]

So FREAKING sad he also got injured after being on fire for ALMOST 2 games. And it's bad. But imho if we were able to keep Monahan injury free since this season started, there's hope for anyone (hope I did not jinx it lol)

[@v4v819]

On fire! I hope he heals and gets better soon and can play again one day!

[@danevertt3210]

Jeez, that Seth Jones trade was horrible

[@Lord-Hossa]

A last giant F you to the fans courtesy of that clown Bowman. He knew he was out the door so he went for broke on a Hail Mary trade. God I despise that asshole. At least now we’re seeing that Seth Jones is still reliable and without that move they likely don’t have Bedard

[@StuartTurner13]

love your vids bro! Been subbed since 2021 and the production just keeps getting better!!

[@RobTalksHockey]

Thanks my man 💪🏼

[@markhuru]

Sad same happened to me, first game of my senior high school hockey, I played my whole childhood for this year, had to sit whole year out, what could’ve been ?

[@michaelhoar4793]

Proud of you for the sponsor you’re awesome keep doing you’re thing when I hear you posted a video my day is made automatically

[@RobTalksHockey]

Thanks brother, I really appreciate that

[@futuresequence.]

He looked so good in the few games I watched him play as a rookie. Was hoping he'd be a star.

[@jonmendelson1104]

Do you mean a star or a Star? (A really good player or a player for the NHL/AHL team in Dallas)? Sorry, I'm a smartass. I'll see myself out.

[@grahamdamberger7130]

And now Bedard is out with an injury for who knows how long (one source said 6-8 weeks, while another said indefinitely). What a weird chain of events that started with that incident. There was the whole Kyle Beach situation that saw front office personnel resign, a member of the Wirtz family that owned the franchise passed away, the second Chicago player from the 2010 scandal filed a lawsuit, the team drowning in the abyss which is turning them into the 2010's Oilers. While some of these events would have occurred even if Dach didn't suffer that injury, it's still interesting to speculate what could have been. Speaking of the Oilers, how about Stefan botching an empty netter that allowed the Oilers to tie the game and ultimately gave Chicago the first overall pick in the 2007 draft, which allowed them to pick Patrick Kane? While the Oilers wasted 2 of their 3 first round picks in that same draft and suffered an entire decade in the NHL abyss with 4 first overall selections in 6 years leading to them drafting Connor McDavid? We can't look at that one game and say that's how the Oilers' Decade of Despair started, but it's the one that stands out more than the others.

[@justaverage7629]

Degree in yapology

[@bananabros240]

Dach, that was an amazing hit 😂

[@AceMatthew25414]

Miss seeing him on the ice with Montreal

[@blakecampbell6138]

ROB - Bana from the Victory Hockey League. Subscribed!! Thank you 🙏

[@ITS_ABOUT_HOCKEY]

Killin like always rob 👍🏼

[@nutronik9]

Good timing with the bedard injury

[@jeremy9717]

U forgot to mention Lafrienere. For making the world juniors the same as his draft year and the year before his draft year as well.

[@MrFreddy123]

Absolutely insane when you think about it.

[@StevenEpting]

The golden eye music melted my brain.

[@randoir1863]

IF Dach doesn't go back to the WJHC that year , who knows what happens !!! Total butterfly effect !

[@dabootvv]

leave Rob a sub, he deserves it! it would also change NHL history!

[@King-03530]

This was so sad man. I remember watching this when it happened and it just sucked so much this kid was so talented

[@michaelkeller5927]

Nobody: RTH: *HOWEVER!*

[@4u2nvHock3y]

Uh he was on pace for 54 point last year? He probably gets 60+ in a full season Dach hasnt lost any skill like Monahan he just got a horrrible hit in game 2 this year and the season before played almost 60 games on the Habs.

[@RobTalksHockey]

Definitely. I still think Dach has great upside, he’s just been very unlucky

[@4u2nvHock3y]

@RobTalksHockey I just didn't hear you talk about his year with MTL and talked about him regressing so I got a little confused. However the video wasn't about Dach. It was about how it affected history with Bedard and his season in MTL had 0 to do with it. He could've had 120 points and it still wouldn't matter.

[@brockk5428]

dach needs to drink some milk or something lol

[@user-wl7lo7oy4p]

I think “serious wrist injury” is even a stretch… you saw that x-ray… boy got his hand taken off… shit was held on by skin… fucking gnarly

[@1983martinjim]

Why is James Bond music playing in the background?

[@CKsoundwave]

A very interesting essay. Keep up the good work, Go Canucks go

[@diefylol4845]

After fracturing my right hand 4 times it felt like that hurt more than a broken wrist😂

[@nicholasciviero7289]

Who'd get Bedard then? My guess would've been Arizona!

[@feitankung]

GOOD STORY FOR CHICAGO!!

[@trevorquinton5393]

Fort Sask LEGEND! Highest drafted Canadian in a NHL draft is no slouch

[@willyboxe7]

Nhl should have a range where team have dibs on local players

[@colevanbalen7205]

every single point he got rookie year was an accident, he was so disappointing and his injuries made it even worse

[@LispyOnSaltz]

I used to play with dach’s sister and his dad was my coach, they were nice but after meeting Kirby I’ll always hate him even as a habs fan

[@EugeneBartholomewMcJigglebutt]

What did he do

[@mr.christopher79]

whys that?

[@PotatoNuts]

was she bad?

[@EugeneBartholomewMcJigglebutt]

sksakkaskakakakkssmndkvjjv

[@mr.christopher79]

@@EugeneBartholomewMcJigglebutt exactly

[@untouchedsports8296]

When things happen they make history they don't change it.

[@MarkBonneaux]

And then this season they brought in halt to help train Bernard up and he's effectively gone this season but already has a broken jaw now from injury that he's been out for like a month. I swear the Blackhawks can't even win for losing

[@TylerAven10]

Craziest part is how the Hawks DRAFTED the guy Dach ran into!

[@allanturmaine5496]

His dog is automatically a Dachshund.

[@Playahstation]

You cant tell me that Chicago tanked to get Bedard. They weren't even the favorite to win the lottery. That'd be terrible GMing

[@oddity4all2see]

It's funny how Chicago seems to win the top spots in the lottery when there's stellar classes. I feel bad for the guys that worked their asses off for their pretty much entire lives just to get stuck on a tanker. Then they most likely get moved when the elite prospects come skating in. That has to suck. Also his hand just hanging like that is hard to watch. But you just can't stop watching it.

[@StellosArtois]

wth is that sound at 6:30

[@thosearentpillows5638]

I broke both bones in my arm from a light hit like that. My arm was Z.

[@DibsEquipped]

Dach could still make an impact in the league.

[@Lord-Hossa]

Not unless they allow bubble wrap as part of the uniform. The dude is absolute glass and I’m happy the Hawks moved him

[@SmooveJimmyApollo]

>long gone were the days of the Hawks dynasty >show a cup 3 years before this draft cmon bro

[@bounce12]

That’s the problem these day’s spending 10’s of millions of dollars for athletic players with smaller physiques that would never be able to take a Scott stevens hit without getting injured for a long time. I’m a leaf’s fan all my life and 11.5 to Willy and he can’t play in the corners. The chance on any given night to lose one of your superstars is hi as that hit on Bedard didn’t look that hard but that’s what happens when small kids get hit by men!! I believe Mcdavid will go down in history as the best player to ever lace um up if he gets a cup. But the way and speed in which he plays can result in a career ending injury in any game. We all thought he was done when he hit the post with his leg but luckily he recovered from it and we still have the privilege to watch him play for now. Look at Jagr and Ovechkin they have so many points and ovie might break Gretzky goals record and they can do it because they play slower and are much bigger and stronger than next gen players in the nhl…

[@TheScotian82]

Ryan Getzlov (01:24) whats he a Canadian-Russian hybrid hockey soldier? 😉

[@cromagnoneightyseven6951]

chicago shouldn't be able to have a sniff at Celibrini or next year Mckenna. they won Bedard. build around bedard. we should make a rule stipulating that team who win the first overall can't draft first for at least the next 3 years. if hawks wins celibrini its so lame. if you dont see clear even tiniest of upgrades troughout the years you can't beg to be better. they had Corey Perry a EXAMPLARY human being. I'm a Habs and he was and still is a perfect guy to have in and out . they terminated his contract to terminate the good leadership he was making in the locker room. trading Kane, ditching toews on the IR( IR basicly means you can play? well we, have other ideas fro now so you go on IR) begging litteraly for Bedard. Beggers can't be chooser! ÙLook at habs yeah sure we drafted slakovsky but the guy ain't a celibrini, Bedard nor Bedard. if you look at this year slafkovsky would go out between 12th and 15th . bedard would've still be top 3 . Sharks celibrini, columbus, lindstrom, ducks demidov, chicago Berkly Catton/eiserman

[@GeoThaDude]

"Blockbuster" trade for a defenseman that can't play defense.

[@Kameron28]

I feel bad for him

[@karlosspades7293]

Why??? Still playing well with the habs when healthy

[@muslimcatpfp]

@@karlosspades7293yeah WHEN HEALTHY he got injured last year and the year before and the year before and he got injured this year and ending his 2024 season only 2 games in I hope he bounces back and has a great career in Montreal but hes just so unlucky with injuries thats why he feels bad for him

[@Bdubsky]

and the story will continue as Dach will lead the Montreal Canadians to future cups... if he can stay healthy

[@nickstalker3254]

lol Montreal ain’t winning shit.

[@sc2jolt]

am i of here, but did they not remake the rules of the lottery so you cant win 2 in a row?

[@bounce12]

Omg the Seth jones trade looks bad now with jiricek drafted. I think Chicago lost on that trade

[@boots_33]

I would argue that the incident MADE hockey history, not changed it. You can't call the future "history."

[@D0VES0AP]

dach is made of glass man wish he would’ve reached his potential

[@luigilemieux6277]

He's 23 lol

[@D0VES0AP]

still doesnt change the fact hes made of swiss cheese

[@boots_33]

I wish Secret Base would've copywritten their editing style.

[@mr.christopher79]

winning three cups in six years draws a lot of hate

[@grahamdamberger7130]

Unfortunately, the organization was beginning to implode a few weeks before the first Cup, which ended up drawing hate for different reasons when the events were finally brought to light.

[@shiberino8413]

@@grahamdamberger7130 The people involved were not players, and they are not with the team anymore. It’s not like they cheated and won three cups. People just love to hate, just like everyone saying they are glad Bedard fractured his jaw and how it was about time someone hit him hard. They would not be playing the same tune if it was their favorite team. These people hated the Blackhawks before this scandal came out, and they now just have a reason to hate the team even though the players themselves were not involved.

[@razorwire3056]

How did this change history?

[@RobTalksHockey]

Teams who win “generation players” in the draft changes the trajectory of the entire league. Look at Edmonton, because of McDavid they have the highest grossing team in the NHL in a city was a small population compared to the Leafs or New York. They were able to build a billion dollar arena because of that man

[@xirxirsday6583]

Chicago was 3rd last, not 2nd last.

[@zoex100]

just subed 4 u

[@RobTalksHockey]

Oh u

[@zoex100]

@@RobTalksHockey 😂

[@Haroldballard89]

Goldeneye beat= Sub

[@ameraceffj]

as great as Kane is/was, Mikita is the greatest player in Blackhawks history

[@anonymousrex5207]

As a Coyotes fan, the draft lottery continues to piss me off... despite finishing last or close to it for several seasons, the Coyotes never got a #1 pick. This was especially frustrating in seasons where legit superstars have been on the board, but somehow a major franchise always manages to jump into that #1 spot. I am not a fan of conspiracy theories, but there is just no way it is a coincidence that a big franchise like Edmonton or Chicago somehow always gets the top pick when the next "generational" talent pops up. Statistically speaking, that's beyond the realm of normal probability to just be random chance.

[@VDVEDC]

and the NHL willing to look the other way and Chicago keeps their first round pick after the Kyle Beech situation comes to light but you guys had to give up a first round pick for "Draft Tampering". Bettman is a clown

[@philtorrez4198]

The draft lottery has not been kind to yotes but at least they got Cooley.

[@Lord-Hossa]

Buddy. The Hawks have won the lottery twice for 1st OA. Wanna be mad at someone be mad at Edmonton. The draft isn’t rigged. It’s all done in front of team reps, lawyers, and reporters. Anyone still claiming it’s rigged is just a child

[@gregrehkemper8196]

Blackhawks were garaunteed Bedard when they traded Debrincat to the senators for peanuts. The Sens were going on sale at the time and the NHL couldn't let them sell for less than their valuation, it would hurt tge value of every team in the league. Helping Ottawa get Debrincat for almost nothing by garaunteeing Bedard to the Blackhawks, a big market team NHL is desparate to keep relevant, fixed their immediate problem with Ottawa and Chicago's return to their historic trend of being a bad team in a large market.

[@zoex100]

GO HABS GO

[@videogamevalley7523]

…….so he Wally Pipped himself?

[@reflirt]

He broke his wrist trying to crosscheck someone. So what

[@IamFiji]

Rob not wanted to hate but dach isnt just a board pick.. ya gotta be more accurate in these videos man. Other then that congrats on 100k

[@RobTalksHockey]

He was rated between 7-9 by many scouts, for a top 3 pick I would consider that off the board. Thanks brother!

[@philippemiller4740]

Yeah players can't go to Olympics because they are afraid they might get hurt yet they don't even protect their face (jaw broken) double standard. If they really want to protect their players they would be wearing more protections

[@Eminim97]

Kirby dach was never gonna be good and maybe if he didnt cross check buddy his wrist would of been fine. He doesnt know how to hit and hurt himself because of it

[@Unholy_Louie]

I REALLY REALLY REALLY hope the Hawks will fall off by the lottery instead of the opposite all the freaking time. Let them feel how is it to pick 6th instead of 1 or 2. Please, some karma somewhere, somewhen, for the tarnished cups they got.

[@shiberino8413]

⁠ The people involved were not players, and they are not with the team anymore. It’s not like they cheated and won three cups. People just love to hate, just like everyone saying they are glad Bedard fractured his jaw and how it was about time someone hit him hard. They would not be playing the same tune if it was their favorite team. These people hated the Blackhawks before this scandal came out, and they now just have a reason to hate the team even though the players themselves were not involved.

[@garychandler7632]

Draft is rigged. Bedard should be a Blue Jacket.

[@jussikankinen9409]

Is that draft lottery real happening, americans should spend less time and money to sports and drinking, and more like reading and museums

[@ghitarogoz787]

First

[@SRQBID]

May karma once again come for the Blackhawks...

[@balljacksok]

What’s up with this weird future tense that you are always using to describe past events? Is it a Canadian thing?

[@karlosspades7293]

I still think, Regardless if he didn't break his wrist, Theyd still win C. Bedard And PS C. Bedard will fall off after this broken jaw

[@tygod2410]

How’s he gonna fall off from a broken jaw ? It’s not a wrist injury that effects your shooting and puck control it’s your jaw he just will play with more awareness and not foolishly cut to the middle of the ice with his head down again it was a small mistake he learned from and everybody at some point in there career gets caught with there head down so bedard will be fine

[@janzkee]

bedard will come back stronger when hes healed up, do you not see what hes doing on basically an AHL team? bro is a man playing with boys on Chicago

[@VDVEDC]

I still can't believe Chicago got to keep their 1st round pick after the Kyle Beech saga but the Coyotes lose a first round pick for "Draft Tampering" and the Senators will have to give up a first round pick because their GM failed to pass on a no trade list. What a Mickey Mouse league

[@Lord-Hossa]

One affected on ice play, the other was an off ice issue that isn’t mandated by the league. Hawks paid their dues and no amount of your tears is gonna change anything 😂

[@VDVEDC]

Please explain to me how the coyotes hosting private training sessions with draft eligible players affects on ice play. @@Lord-Hossa

[@peroxxgoldee2559]

@@Lord-Hossa What was the due they paid for? The league basically let them go free of any consequences.

[@Lord-Hossa]

@@peroxxgoldee2559 “basically” right there…..you know that the Hawks paid a fine for the situation and settled with Kyle Beach privately. You’re aware of this fact but still say they didn’t pay any dues. Again it’s over and no amount of harping will change the fact that comparing things that affect draft prospects or trades (Ottawa, Arizona) are mandated by the league and in the confines of punishment by the league. While an off ice Human Resources matter even a situation as heinous and disgusting as the Beach incident isn’t under the realm of the league in the rule book.

[@mikepagliaro2123]

Ohhh....BOO HOO!!👻👻

[@whitegd4100]

Dach was gonna be so good too now his career is just… eh

[@GoFeverGo]

Well he llomed great in the second half last year and looked good this year before another freak injury

[@Jay-mk2eg]

Garbage