How Accurate is FGO's Oberon?

[@whitefox3189]

The greatest Pretender is likely Kaleid Illya. She's such a good Pretender even she herself and even most of the fandom don't recognize Chloe as the original.

[@CrazyYurie]

I admit I do not know about this.

[@RyanVonAegir]

An F grade is fine for what we got as a character honestly. Oberon is such a great character in spite of the changes.

[@CrazyYurie]

Indeed, but I also made that point to say that I personally adore the character in FGO despite him not being accurate to his past depictions. To be honest, I don't even care that he isn't accurate because he's such a great character as is. :D

[@RyanVonAegir]

​@CrazyYurie For sure! I think Vortigern being more independent design wise and marginally more tied to the history and myth around him, but Oberon Vortigern being so unique its worth it.

[@ShadowAraun]

I think you hit the nail on the head, he is better at being Oberon than Vortigern. Something people tend to overlook when they call Vortigern his true form is how untrue that statement is, about as untrue as it was when he said it because nothing he says can ever be considered the truth. Vortigern, the destroyer of britain is his true NATURE sure, but it isn't even what he wants, and it most certainly isn't his true form anymore after being contaminated by the concept of Oberon and inheriting the skill A Midsummer Nights Dream which renders anything and everything he says and does as a fleeting midsummer nights dream, that is to say, false. another way to look at him is nearly everything he does and says is about as true as it is false, his lies are not something as simple as taking the opposite of what he says or means, he CAN AND DOES SPEAK THE TRUTH, the problem is whenever he does it becomes a lie in some way. He wanted to destroy proper human history and yet in his failure he was happy he liked faerie Britain yet for his desire to see a fictitious world usurp PHH he still destroyed it. so in the end, him being rather bad at representing Vortigern, who he was supposed to be, but better at representing Oberon, who he isn't supposed to be, is rather fitting.

[@landoakechi9406]

The thing about Nasu is that he loves Arthurian legend so much that he loves to make his own abridged version of it. Although, tbf, that's par for the course for Arthurian stories throughout the centuries. Would love to get an Oberon version that incorporates more of his powers beyond his sleeping powers

[@CrazyYurie]

I don't doubt that Nasu loves Arthurian Legend, but he certainly has made a few changes. I very much look forward to whenever I get to the other characters from it!

[@Lilly_Fae]

there's this novel called garden of avalon depicting fate's version of arthurian legends and in it they have artoria and gawain facing off against vortigern and its the coolest shit ever (also he transformed into a giant dragon in that fight bc why the hell not)

[@CrazyYurie]

I was reading that, but set it aside once I realized that I wouldn't need it for this video. I plan to finish it later today or tomorrow! :D

[@EugeneKurlikin]

Best charecter in FGO hands down. Losbelt 6 is a literary masterpiece. I love how the story is almost independent from all the usual fgo tropes. LB6 will hopefully be animated one day. Strange fake is great and all but nothing is like LB6. And Oberon and Castoria is a big reason why.

[@CrazyYurie]

I also would very much like to see LB6 animated one day. :3

[@lopezroilans.8384]

Hope they iron out the kinks, though. (Like parts of the old story before the rewrite got left behind in some places.)

[@HMAmeri]

What i find so interesting about him is that hes Vortigern, using the spirit board of Oberon to desperately look like Vortigern. Its so compelling.

[@1505627]

Additional fun fact about the Oberon of Shakespeare: He lives in Greece! The play is set near Athens and both Theseus and Hippolyta feature as characters. Man, Oberon really gers around the timeline

[@hayond656]

Wait a second I never noticed his Support NPC Versions kept changing classes. I looked at his class the first time and didn't think it would change until near the end

[@WelfareWaifu]

I find it interesting the juxtaposition Project Moon has with Type Moon; as their version of Titania is an anomaly that exists to specifically try and find Oberon who is implied to not exist and so therefore workers have to pretend to be Oberon to satisfy her. Where as in Fate, Oberon only exists as a disguise for someone else and it's Titania who doesn't exist at all. With how Sinclair looks in his Fae Lantern Ego it definitely seems as though heavy inspiration bounces back and forth between the two

[@CrazyYurie]

I have not heard of this before. :o

[@WelfareWaifu]

@@CrazyYurie I'd recommend going down the Project Moon rabbit hole if you're ever interested, the actual lore is very intriguing and there are a lot of similarities to Fate in it

[@DongbaekEGOSpicebush]

I KNEW I WASN'T THE ONLY ONE WHO SAW OBERON IN LANTERN SINCLAIR'S OUTFIT

[@shenshiya9474]

LIMBUS COMPANYYYY

[@GamerJosh2611]

Honestly, of course it's a low grade, it's kind of explained in-universe too. The aspects that Oberon embodies aren't that of the actual mythos involving him, but rather the Oberon from A Midsummer Night's Dream. You CAN see him taking from his mythological self in some regards, such as concerning his attack animations, but he's very explicitly stated to be more "Oberon from A Midsummer Night's Dream" than "Oberon from Mythology", which isn't new because it's already established that Servants, when summoned, tend to focus on a single aspect of themselves rather than the whole picture. Hence, his powers are focused more towards Dreams.

[@MrKingHyena]

So I'm a bit late to the party, but I'm genuinely curious if the reason they picked oberon and vortigern to pair together for the pretender has something to do with Vortigern and Rowena, the widely known forgery orginally claimed to have been a lost work of shakespeare. I haven't heard anyone comment of this, but it does connect vortigern to Shakespeare, and by extension oberon, by way of a forgery

[@CrazyYurie]

Huh... I hadn't thought of that before. :o

[@Midsommarss]

I’m pretty sure they reference his item creation abilities in one of his passive skills but nevertheless it’s a great video I hope you’ll do Beowulf someday

[@Alkhemia8]

so they something called Garden of Avalon a novel that depicts the fate battle against Vortigern from Gawain's perspective it a pretty good read tbh

[@banbowyt8945]

Amazing video. However, I am not sure if the Vortigern aspect is more soo in line creative licensing because the story of Vortigern is sort of pre-established as part of Artoria’s lore in fate. I am not particularly sure but the Vortigern story in Avalon le fae is very much in Graden of Avalon that detailed the story of Artoria.

[@CrazyYurie]

Oh I know it is part of Artoria's established lore... and it is also an inaccuracy for her as well. Her video will come in time.

[@banbowyt8945]

@@CrazyYuriethat’s fair beachside all of Arthurian characters are basically oc in fate anyway

[@CrazyYurie]

@@banbowyt8945 Oh I don't really get into summer events. I understand that people are doing comedy there. Trying to critique the historical accuracy of the "Aloha Knights" would make me seem like a pedantic ass who doesn't know the definition of fun.

[@gigainpactinfinty]

Apparently there is a play named Vortigern and Rowena that was initially promoted as a lost Shakespearean play but ultimately revealed to be a hoax, allowing a basis for the two characters to be combined. Who knew?

[@brunosanto3488]

Leaving aside the joke of the guy being 100% trustworthy and not going to betray us, it can be said that they took a lot of creative liberties with Oberon for his representation that ended up as one of the most convincing FGO antagonists, even though it is not 100% accurate to its historical/real version. At least you can excuse the FGO writers that this is Lostbelt Oberon, but.... What is the FGO writers's excuse for these two (19:14)?

[@CrazyYurie]

They messed up. Annd... there will be PHH Servants who I plan to absolutely roast over their depictions. I've hinted at a few of them in my videos already. When I get to them, I plan to make it as comical as possible rather than a ragey rant. Assuming anybody actually likes my style of humor, of course. :o

[@uteriel282]

finished lb6 this morning and at the end when vortigern showed up with the abyssal worm all i could think of was "why are you even here?". i mean we pretty much finished everything vortigern was send there to do by the world. aka defeat the traitor morgan, put cernnunos to rest and end the british lostbelt. he had no reason to show up other than stroking his own ego.

[@MagusMalazel]

Great video! Thank you so much for giving my man, Big O, the coverage he deserves. He, and his actual human history counterpart(s), are such amazing characters.

[@neptuneplaneptune3367]

Okay the Morgan and Cesar part REALY cut me of guard. That....that dosnt work on so many levels. Altaugh having that in FGO WOULD be hilarious, as if the Pendragon famaly tree wasnt messed up enough already.

[@Alexzander1989]

I knew going into LB6 that Oberon was Sus and the final antagonist, but I gotta say he really won me over, he was a really enjoyable and entertaining character. I especially loved the chemistry between him and Castoria, they were a fun little comedy duo. 🤣 And while I loved Castoria, Barghest, Percival, Gareth, and even Melusine to a lesser degree, Oberon was definitely the MVP of LB6. 👍 Also wait a minute, Caesar did WHAT now!? 😅

[@lgbel3950]

in his vallentine scene they did make a reference to the "son of Julius Caesar" thing

[@CrazyYurie]

I shall have to see that scene in a month or so!

[@brunosanto3488]

Fate Grand Order: Return to British Lostbelt Oberon: Bravo, Ritsuka. You've truly earned your reputation as a hero. Oberon: Your help defeating Morgan was invaluable. Oberon: Ah... At long last, it's mine! Oberon: The source of limitless power... The Holy Grail! (Oberon transforms into his Stage 3) Oberon: Obtaining this grail has been my ultimate goal all along! (Ritsuka, Castoria, Holmes and Da Vanci show worried, surprised, WTF and angry faces) Oberon: What's with all the weird looks? Fine. Let me explain everything. Oberon: I fought Morgan by myself and lost. So I fled to the forest. Oberon: That's when the thought struck me... Oberon: I could have you defeat Morgan for me! A stroke of genius, I know. Oberon: You even helped me defeat the Fairy Knights. I really did appreciate that, by the way. Oberon: Anyway... MUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! The time has come for this planet... Oberon: No! The time has come for the ENTIRE LOSTBELTS to bow down to me. Oberon: And for being such a big help in all of this, your world gets to go first! Oberon: Prepare to bow, Chaldea! Welcome your new overlord!

[@misskani3216]

I understood that Kirby reference. Kudos!

[@giladmachluf3663]

All that… With one Grail? Doesn’t Chaldea have 16 by now?

[@brunosanto3488]

@@giladmachluf3663 Realistically, Oberon was very lucky to only have one grail considering the guy isn't known for planning plans: everything he got was due to luck and the planets aligning for everything to work out. Also, my comment was more of a joke about Oberon's parallels with a certain character (his plan is different, but still based on luck and circumstances)

[@CrazyYurie]

And that doesn't even include event grails. I've lost count in any case!

[@oldcowbb]

he is Vortigern only in the sense that he is the destroyer of Britain, it's conceptual only and not the actual character Vortigern

[@SamuelShanboHe]

What a detailed and well researched video, A+ grade for the video

[@CrazyYurie]

Thanks! :D

[@kyyyann]

12:57 they reference that in his valentine story lol

[@CrazyYurie]

I did not know this. :o

[@manoi8]

OOOOHHHHH, I really thought it was just another random victim of Caesar

[@eric736iXDi]

Best FGO character for me, Plot Twist is precisely because we don't know his identity His Vortigern part is yet another representation of Great Britain's desire to self-destruct, he himself said that he is not the Vortigern of human history. So much so that your NP is a representation of all the lies and everything that is disgusting in the false Britain of the fairies

[@diegomendez8201]

The curtains have risen and I must say I love it.

[@CrazyYurie]

I'm glad you do! Hopefully you will like the future videos as well! :D

[@karimallam5298]

This is very nice and informative. Thanks for making this video!

[@CrazyYurie]

Thank you! :D

[@armellebiampamba4257]

13:00 yes morgan had as many as Caesar actually she had hit on hector lancelot roland some danish paladin and sebile (who was a woman) and etc.

[@CrazyYurie]

How lewd! XD

[@cuchulainn3309]

she wanted a piece of that Arondite and Durindana

[@warghostmonX]

Out of curiosity... Do you plan on reviewing Morgan La Fey at a later time?

[@CrazyYurie]

Yes! I plan to do everybody unless their origins are within the Nasuverse itself, like EMIYA, Illya, or Ryougi Shiki. It would be kinda pointless to grade how well FGO portrayed a character when they are the original creators, you know? XD

[@federicofilippini6780]

Tbh as far as Arthurian myth u will absolutely find most of them don’t fit any version or are a mix of various ones why? Simple nasu made his own version of Arthurian myth in fate with events and other stuff completely changing and many other details, Altho this is actually in line with irl Arthurian myth having so many god dam versions that it’s kinda pointless trying to stick to one, so nasu just went: I will take what I like plus some of my own in

[@CrazyYurie]

This is true, but I didn't see any other bit of Arthurian Legend have a different story for Vortigern.

[@federicofilippini6780]

@@CrazyYurie well yeh but he also had to put in the whole age of mystery and Arthurian age being the end of it in Britain, in fate vortigern and morgan were people that wanted the preservation of the age of gods for various reasons and the dragonfly in lostbelt vortigen has an explanation in Garden in of Avalon so cant wait for your reaction to know what vortigern did kek

[@Erydanus]

This was really interesting and I even heard a very useful piece of lore I didn't know about. However, when it comes to grading Vortigern I think that you just should not have. I don't think Lostbelt Vortigern was supposed to be THE Vortigern, it was a phenomenon original to the lostbelt that simply recycled the name so another element of Arthurian legend would be there. Of course Oberon was better at being "Shakespearan style Oberon" that's why he was a Pretender. He needed to pretend to be something else otherwise he'd just be a disembodied black hole/gnat fusion.

[@CrazyYurie]

The grade was still based on PHH Vortigern - who was significantly changed from the original.

[@waterfire1313]

Oberon is my lock and home screen- I'm trepidatious to watch this but I will leave my like just engagement 🙏

[@CrazyYurie]

I do hope you like the video! :D

[@waterfire1313]

I did! I always wondered about how King vortigan was both salter and Oberon

[@waterfire1313]

I'm showing all my FGO friends your channel I just binged them

[@CrazyYurie]

@@waterfire1313 Awesome! As for Vortigern being both, it would be more accurate to say that Salter (apparently) looks similar to PHH Vortigern, while Oberon actually is Lostbelt Vortigern.

[@benjamincuevas9627]

I don't really care that they changed Vortigern's lore. Writers through out history added and change Arthorion legend. Fate is just keeping the tradition going.

[@FirstLast-hd4oe]

my brother an historian of religious charcters and doesn't like Fate so this is hitting all my blind spots I thought he could be an archer cause he throws butterflies or something I'll tell my friends to sub

[@CrazyYurie]

Thanks! I'll get to the characters with more religious importance someday too!

[@FirstLast-hd4oe]

@@CrazyYurie Nah I have him too talk about that can do who you want e.g. I am sick of the nero beast theory

[@CrazyYurie]

@@FirstLast-hd4oe Well I plan to do everybody eventually, so they will come up at some point. :o

[@FirstLast-hd4oe]

@@CrazyYurie Hahahahahahahaha This guy right here 😅🤣😆🤣😅 you might just be my new favorite youtuber very well do who you want

[@CrazyYurie]

@@FirstLast-hd4oe Whaa?!? I mean... thanks but... I'm so confused too!

[@excalibursonic32]

Making him into Vortigern was such an L move He has like no Vortigern influence and is just evil because he's evil and because and I quote: "Humanity disgusts me" 💀

[@CrazyYurie]

There are days when I feel like that though... more often than not, actually.

[@rudcol8164]

pls do morgan next

[@CrazyYurie]

Alas, she will have to wait. I put a poll up that the subscribers voted on, and so there are at least a few people already lined up to do. But I will get to Morgan someday, for sure! She's someone I very much would like to do a video on!

[@rudcol8164]

shame but keep up the good work, im learning new things @@CrazyYurie

[@kenshi4296]

A american talking about European history, Pog. I was here trying to figuere out if there's an anime of this so called "Oberon" but it seems it's from a game? And originally... History?

[@CrazyYurie]

Believe it or not? Not all of us are rabid ignorant isolationists with no knowledge of history. Though, in my case? I'm actually a dual citizen of the US and Canada, currently residing in Canada. Anyway, I'm guessing you stumbled onto this video without knowing the subject? These videos are connected to a mobile game called Fate/Grand Order, which is part of a wider franchise called the 'Fate Franchise'. The short version is that it focuses on battles between magic users who summon beings from the past called 'servants' to fight for them - with these servants being characters from history, literature, or mythology. The videos I make on this channel are basically about taking the version of these historical/literary/mythological figures found in-game or in the wider franchise, then comparing them to their real/literary/mythical counterparts and seeing how well they compare. It's not just European history though. Since this is a Japanese franchise, it should not come as a surprise that it's largest cast of characters come from Japan. You can find characters from all over the world, though admittedly some regions have gotten far less attention than they deserve - above all Africa. Still, I'm a history nerd who likes seeing how this franchise depicts these characters, and so I started making these videos. :D

[@kenshi4296]

@@CrazyYurie That's really cool, I have some more inspiration for DnD npc's or bosses now. I've watched a few episodes of Fate a long time ago. I was kinda hoping Oberon would appear there. Amazing work you are doing ^^

[@CrazyYurie]

@@kenshi4296 Thanks! :D

[@kaison12205]

To be fair the Saxon didn’t actually ever invade and most evidence suggests predominantly peaceful coexistence

[@CrazyYurie]

Where did you hear this? :o

[@kaison12205]

@@CrazyYurie a pbs documentary on historical King Arthur

[@CrazyYurie]

@@kaison12205 Hmm. That runs contrary to what I have heard. Also the proof of King Arthur actually existing is... sketchy.

[@kaison12205]

@@CrazyYurie that is what the doc concluded

[@Tystolfo]

@@CrazyYurie It's not just sketchy, there's straight up just no proof at all King Arthur existed lol. Even when it comes to real figures he might've been based off of, there's really no leads. It would be pretty safe to say King Arthur is most probably an entirely fictional existence.

[@weisstofall2615]

Honestly, Oberon is so messed up I'm glad his depiction is wrong, because I think that's what they intented in making him a pretender. You could never think he is vortigern

[@Cozmotown]

Is it me or is it kind surprising that they are no made a among a joke in the comments.

[@CrazyYurie]

I even made one in the video. XD

[@chromeorihara1949]

His Anti-Humanity skill has nothing to do with Merlin, it's a skill he obtained due to his hatred of and desire to wipe out humanity. He just hates Merlin so much that he uses pretty much all of the skill's abilities to prevent Merlin from perceiving him.

[@CrazyYurie]

Mmm