How accurate is the Covid death count? (w/ Hank Green)

[@Howtown]

Thank you for watching! The extended discussion is available here: www.patreon.com/posts/howtown-hall-ep-106073911

[@euterpent]

My friend died of a non-COVID condition when he was not able to continue hospital treatment in 2020. This would not have been listed as a COVID death because it was not due to the virus, but it may have been related to the strain on hospitals because of the pandemic. Thank you for bringing up excess deaths among people who couldn't get other healthcare treatments.

[@mariannetfinches]

Same happened to my neighbour. He might not still be alive today in either case. But without COVID, he had a good chance of a couple more years. He died of cancer in late May 2020

[@earllorenzviray6734]

Same thing happened to my father. We weren't able to access hospitals that can handle and treat stroke patients in time. We had to wait for almost half a day just to get an ambulance and transport us to a hospital two hours away from our town. COVID, along with the lacking healthcare industry, led to his death.

[@mariannetfinches]

@@earllorenzviray6734 I'm so sorry for your loss.

[@Khronogi]

My father passed away because his cancer came back and ascended to stage 4 during covid lockdowns. I'm still so depressed that I lost the interest in making friends, and force myself to barely maintain the ones I already have.

[@cogspace]

@@Khronogi If you can, you should talk to a professional about this. They can help you move forward and live the full life your father would have wanted for you. 💛The people who brought us into this world are never truly gone as long as we carry forward the love and the hope that they put into us.

[@jaytan]

Well researched and well produced! I was a frontline worker in the COVID ICU at Mount Sinai in March 2020 and filled out numerous death certificates. At the time, was pulling my hair out at people minimizing the disease - "it wasn't COVID that killed my family member, it was respiratory failure!". The extremely limited understanding of infectious disease and the lack of confidence in science and medicine was upsetting.

[@andybearchan]

I think medical workers and other crisis workers need to have their voices heard, and their abuse recognized. It was like a war or an invasion. When people go to war, they have trauma. It is made worse when people deny that trauma.

[@realfoggy]

I fight these deniers at work constantly. I think they ignore the facts to ease their own minds. They don't want to worry about it, so if I make something up or tow the line of the easy path, I don't have to think about it. It frustrates me to no end.

[@tjknox8936]

So did Andrew Cuomo count all those deaths in the nursing homes?

[@floorsbychrisable]

Upsetting but unsurprising. The lack of critical thinking exhibited by a huge faction of our society is downright terrifying.

[@sookendestroy1]

Its only gonna get worse from here

[@gailbroekhuizen7290]

Oh. My Gosh! This describes my husband’s death on 6/17/22! It started with Covid on 7/31/21. He was vaccinated and went into the hospital with Covid, then went downhill. His charts definitely say Covid and Pneumonia and three cardiac arrests and then lungs getting worse after Rendesivir and then on a ventilator until his death 10 1/2 months later. The doctor who signed off on his death certificate was mad at me and a friend because I refused to change my husband’s DNR. My husband would start to get better many times like breathing on his own for 16 1/2 hours and a month later back to one hour after being forced to go to a SNF that didn’t take care of him. This same doctor signed off on my husband’s DC but refused to list COVID as the underlying death. Now FEMA will refuse to refund burial costs because the DC doesn’t list COVID as the underlying cause of his death. Excellent video!

[@djones6211]

Ugh, that's a lot of tough things to go through. I hope you're doing alright currently.

[@Howtown]

I'm so sorry to hear this & grateful that you shared. -joss

[@paxundpeace9970]

So sorry to hear but this is clearly covid as an underlaying cause.

[@HanneHaugnes]

I'm so sorry you had to deal with all of that on top of the loss you experienced. Thank you for sharing, truly, it does leave me with some thoughts and reflections I otherwise wouldn't have.

[@teyleen]

Something incredible I’ve been noticing is how the wastewater data and positivity rates have been rising and falling in concert with Covid waves but now that data is decoupling. We are seeing spikes in the wastewater now that are being completely missed by testing as it’s become so limited because the “pandemic is over”

[@cogspace]

Thing is, the pandemic probably *is* over. Covid seems to have changed from a pandemic to an endemic disease just like the flu. We see cyclical spikes in infection, yes, but very little excess mortality. Many millions of people have been reinfected multiple times by now. I have had it twice. My mom has had it 5 times. This is probably going to remain the case for the foreseeable future. That would mean the pandemic is, indeed, over. Of course, it's possible this is incorrect and things will get really bad again before 2030 rolls around and we can call the pandemic conclusively over, but seasonal variations in wastewater viral load are not an indicator of a pandemic. You can see the same trends for viruses that have been endemic for centuries.

[@fiveminutefridays]

this is such a feast of data visualization - what a fantastic job! No one piece of the puzzle is *that* hard to grasp, but the situation as a whole has so many moving pieces that it can become difficult to grasp, and you managed to bring it back to something you can understand, where the graphs and the details and the numbers actually tell the story

[@Ishanjaber]

Proud and honored to be one of the first subscribers of Howtown

[@Ossian477]

😂

[@dubby5768]

Yeah like when I die I'm gonna have to pass on this account to my grandkids

[@handIe.]

fo

[@SticksAandstonesBozo]

I want an episode on how factual your claim is kind sir / madam.

[@tingenism]

5:30 the following anecdote has helped me explain excess deaths to people; I share it so that others might be able to use it as well: My Dad died of cancer on November 23, 2019 in Phoenix, Arizona. The crematory that Dad went to apologized profusely to me soon after they received him. They told me their morgue was full, and that it would be a while before they could process him. I asked the cremator if this was common. She said no, that she had never seen anything like this in her five years at the crematory. She said that there was usually an uptick in the winter due to the influx of snowbirds (retirees vacationing to escape the winters bite) and winter disease, but the morgue was never full. This was *different* Looking back, they suspect it was Covid overage, even before the world was aware. I’ve talked to other long term funeral professionals in large cities in the US, and they have mentioned similar experiences! (Disclaimer: Anecdotes are not data, but they can help tell the story!)

[@Me-ui1zy]

Isn't the Phoenix Metro population growing quite quickly? If existing facilities aren't being expanded this surely explains some of this backlog issue. But interesting, I haven't heard of the idea that covid was causing such havoc that early

[@brightsalot]

Phoenix is not expanding _that_ quickly that we wouldn’t be able to keep up with baseline levels of death. Covid existed and had been rapidly spreading for 4 months in China, being reported on as severe pneumonia, before the US public was told by the government to start taking precautions in March 2020. (I remember near the end of 2019 I was relaxing on my sofa listening to a news summary from my brand new google home speaker on how 40 people in China had died from this new mysterious pneumonia. That memory will stay with me for a very long time. Those were just the deaths, not including the early stages of illness nor asymptomatic spread.) No one was quarantining anyone traveling to or from anywhere in that time, unless it was directly from Wuhan, and even that took some time for governments to get started. We don’t have the population density per square mile like NYC has, but the Phoenix metro area is the 5th largest city in the US, it’s completely reasonable for us to be hit hard and early too given how the pandemic got started.

[@granadi3r]

That pinch-to-zoom-in effect was so slick 💯

[@diegoeffio]

I've watched it multiple times lol

[@zumabbar]

@@diegoeffio time mark?

[@diegoeffio]

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[@byelijahhelton]

"it's hard to know stuff"!" excellent explainer - reminds me of a newspaper editor, a 60-something i knew in a small town in a conservative area. he mentioned how he was sick of people who say that covid was overblown or even fake. i can't remember his exact words but he essentially said "we ran extra full pages of obituaries for weeks. it's not like there's any other explanation" - this video does an excellent job on levels of narrative and scholarship and common sense all at once 🚀

[@Homer-OJ-Simpson]

Joss is back! Missed you at Vox. You have the most pleasant voice to listen to and your stories are always great. This channel will certainly reach the levels of the former Vox journalists turned independent KZbin journalists (Johnny Harris, Cleo, etc).

[@flymypg]

Loved not only the data gathering, analysis and reportage, but also the delivery, turning what could be dry coverage into a story with a heartbeat.

[@byfernandoh]

So informative. The visuals in your pieces are top-notch, beautiful and help explain the concepts effectively. Love that Howtown exists.

[@davidshi451]

I really like this format of talking to experts, and discussing what you learned with a "layperson" (like Hank Green). It reminds me of the science communication that Alan Alda has done!

[@justaname9544]

Joss has the voice to either make me super interested in the topic or so soothing that's like a lullaby for me to sleep

[@dkaloger5720]

At this point Vox is an incubator for KZbin talent , and thats great !

[@antoniocastillo8797]

Love that we now have one more channel that gives high quality content on the not so easy to answer questions!

[@mjwu786]

Omg the editing and effects is PERFECT

[@zeniqz5422]

can you do a video on how do flys always get into homes but never know how to leave

[@paulkyle]

Survivorship bias. Flies have the same problem getting INTO homes but we do not see them (because they are not where we are obv)

[@mwoods8988]

Flies are notoriously poor, uneducated, and orphaned, so they don't have much experience with glass. They want to leave, so just remove the glass and they'll promptly leave.

[@brianmacdougall5261]

Yeah, and then do the same for brothers-in-law. I want my couch back, Terry!

[@paulacoyle5685]

They don’t want to leave! Too much yummy stuff in the house 😂

[@mzamroni]

because their full names are "fly in"

[@b.a.erlebacher1139]

Unfortunately, COVID death statistics can't cover people who die months or years later due to organ damage from COVID. Perhaps some statistics could be extracted showing people dying from various diseases associated with aging with mean age lower than would be expected before the pandemic. The disability toll from COVID is another statistic that doesn't seem to be evaluated. Long COVID is bad enough, but some people end up with apparently permanent disabling problems. I was talking with a physiotherapist recently who is working with a group of women age 18-25 who have dysautonomia mostly secondary to COVID. These young women experience dangerous tachycardia at the least exertion and have to spend most of their time lying down. It's enough to keep me wearing a mask indoors in public places.

[@DH-rj2kv]

We have very little data to suggest that is actually Covid related.

[@AnnieWarbux]

How many people are aware that life insurance policies do NOT pay out for deaths due to a Pandemic?? A patient may have had lingering symptoms or died from them, while no longer testing positive for C19. By the time China started building "field hospitals", phone companies reported that 20M+ Chinese people no longer had mobile phone service... There are over 300M in the U.S. and how many of us know people who have died? I know EIGHT! My own brother bearly survived. My cousin did not.

[@iansane1928]

This is all a complete lie. You should be ashamed of yourself the life inurance companies absolutely paid out benefits during the pandemic. Reporting your comment for rabid misinformation.

[@Emmibean77]

Such a fascinating, thorough, and well-explained video. Came here from the We’re Here newsletter, and cannot wait to see what’s next from this channel

[@centaur7607]

Well done. Glad to have this as a resource to help explain why the COVID deaths were not exaggerated. I also love the work of Debunk the Funk in this area.

[@Homer-OJ-Simpson]

This channel is going to be an ADHD addiction. I have so many questions all the time and a channel like this will be answering so many of my questions

[@thebrainscoop]

This channel rules

[@mariannetfinches]

This was so interesting! I clicked out of curiosity because i'd heard good things about this show, but didn't honestly expect to learn half as much as i did. During COVID I was in touch with lots of healthcare workers, epidemiologists, even morticians. But this explainer was brilliant & the info on the data in the last part was new to me. Thanks!

[@sechristen]

Joss, you’re out here FLEXING on people with your physically animated graphics. You told these other youtubers “who needs skewmorphism when you have this level of VISION.” People have been ripping off you for years but you never stop making something new. I’ve been a fan for a decade, can’t wait to see where this channel goes.

[@biomatrix8154]

I'd be interested to know what the death numbers would be like if people worldwide used no mitigations: No masking, no distancing, no vaccines, etc, and carried on like it was 2019.

[@jasonsuteja2455]

Woa satan hold your horses

[@b.a.erlebacher1139]

You can compare the US to Canada. People in Canada were willing to comply with distancing, quarantine, masking, vaccination, etc at a very high rate. There was very little denial of COVIDs existence or seriousness. The mortality rate due to COVID was about 1/3 that of the US. Also consider countries like Japan, Singapore and South Korea which did even better at mitigation.

[@gayatriunni549]

@@b.a.erlebacher1139yeah as somebody who lives in singapore, the government’s management of the virus is absolutely insanely commendable. for basically all of 2020 and 21, with the level of strictness you’d have thought that there were hundreds dying everyday, but there weren’t hundreds dying every day BECAUSE of the strict measures. by 2022 there were gradually fewer and fewer restrictions, and then even when cases did explode after that, because of the success of the vaccination program, a majority of people were either asymptomatic or at least survived it. fortunately, by the time most of the cases occurred in singapore, it was also the much less severe strains, so we didn’t get hit by like the deadly delta variant etc one of the most important things that singapore did was make it so that they have a very clear system to know if you’re vaccinated or not, as well as where you’ve been, to see if you could have been exposed to someone with covid. you had to check into every single place you went to, and when you scanned the qr code, if you were unvaccinated, it would literally beep red. the check in app as well as your vaccination status were all linked to your national identity number so it was very effective. i know some americans here are going to go absolutely crazy clutching their pearls about privacy and “the government can’t tell me what to do 🤠🤠” but that’s why they had one of the world’s highest death rates. i’d much rather the government be tracking me and knowing everything about me than my eighty year old neighbour die because i care more about “FREEDOM 🔥🔥🔥” than a human life

[@S3lkie-Gutz]

@@b.a.erlebacher1139 we did at least for the first part of lockdown, shit hit the fan from there and the whole country is in denial.

[@allangibson8494]

@@b.a.erlebacher1139The US lost 0.3% of its total population to officially diagnosed Covid (putting it at 15th globally per capita). Peru lost 0.6% of its population (putting it on top of the mortality chart). Australia (the pet whipping boy over “excessive restrictions”) lost 0.04% of it’s population to Covid in spite of having a higher number of initial cases than the United States.

[@jfifeadams]

This was really cool! I love both the Vlogbrothers and earlier Vox explainers, so this was definitely catnip for me! New subscriber here.

[@curatinghumanism]

Wonderful production quality. Thanks for presenting this information in such an easy to understand fashion

[@neonGawdzilla]

That "doctor" from the Montana video was giving major fake vibes. "Look at my stethoscope! Doctors use those sometimes! I needed mine for this press release."

[@brycejohnson1590]

please keep making videos on controversial topics like this, it honestly is amazing, i don't know if you will get the best engagement (for obvious reasons). but honestly this is perfect!

[@Pr0toPoTaT0]

Great video idea! Love seeing you guys swinging with the channel brand!

[@kashiichan]

The music playing in the "background" from ~11:00 is too loud, and makes it difficult to hear what is being said. Just as feedback for future videos. :)

[@DimbleWally]

I didn't personally have an issue with it - listening with headphones so not sure how it would be on mobile.

[@Howtown]

thanks for the feedback!

[@tonystefanuk2149]

this is a very well made video that takes care to clearly explain complex things while remaining entertaining. I feel like this channel deserves way more subs

[@liljohnsonusmc]

My uncle that was a smoker for almost 50 years died of throat cancer. But contracted Covid-19 while in the hospital so covid is listed as his cause of death.

[@allangibson8494]

Covid killed cancer patients in a matter of hours after infection (typically under two days due to immune system suppression).

[@SlickHF]

Incredibly well put together content! I'm sure I'll be hooked for the foreseeable future lol. A side note: I feel like Hank Green is the new generations' Bill Nye, as they have both always made learning the sciences super enticing/exciting 😊 -a long time SciShow fan

[@mikhail_from_afar]

Editing and visual style are so nice! New subscriber

[@JonathanBird-sk]

One question I had when watching the section regarding excess deaths was, how many fewer deaths were happening in 2020 due to so many people not driving and the deaths due to accidents were so much lower. (But of course other causes of death you mentioned went up)

[@Howtown]

I was also wondering about this and when I looked at the data for the US, I found that car accidents went up during the pandemic, not down! I'm not sure why. -joss

[@allangibson8494]

Deaths due to influenza went down to zero in Australia…

[@naxgaubert7668]

Wow! This channel quality! Thanks for all the work, super interesting episode.🏅

[@Draconicrose]

I love the use of paper, acetate, and editing to mimic digital effects!

[@KiraCatlady]

This would be a perfect video to dissect in several school classes. How are statistics calculated, interpreted, presented. How can they be manipulated or misinterpreted. How can facts be used to drive a certain narrative and how do we find out if those are real facts? Which biases can cloud our judgement. Global implications, different health care systems that generate - or don't - these numbers. Real-world problems and how to deal with them will be a lot more engaging to students

[@JasonAtlas]

But are you sure you wouldn't rather have prageru teaching about how slavery wasn't actually that bad?

[@KiraCatlady]

@JasonAtlas I don't know what you mean by that question. Is it irony, as in "these would be excellent problems to teach, but we are stuck with this slavery isn't bad narrative"? /genuine

[@JasonAtlas]

@@KiraCatlady it was irony. Ive seen some really bad "educational" material from prageru and now it can officially be used in schools in some states.

[@KiraCatlady]

@@JasonAtlas I didn't know Prageru is an educational platform, I'm not from the US 😶

[@smithpauld1501]

Good stuff and I’m blown away by your graphics. First you have glassine overlays, then you’re swiping to expand.

[@lennartphilipp6699]

I quite rarely comment on videos, but I just want you to know, that this was an amazing video. The data visualisation was incredible. Please keep going!

[@Howtown]

Thank you! comments actually help a lot, so we appreciate it

[@brycejohnson1590]

amazing product, the focus on the process of science is exactly what we need

[@michaeltsnell]

I’ve always loved your videos Joss, so excited to see your own channel!

[@VeneraKushner]

Such an exciting channel! I have followed and loved Joss' work on Vox for years and to see more of it is amazing! Cannot wait for more.

[@elizabethfreed472]

This is so well-done, thank you! And Joss, I have always loved your voice. I would love if you read audiobooks! Your voice presenting science and data and journalism? The best.

[@procrastinator41]

On which tier does one enter “lethally incompetent president” on the form ?

[@ash136789]

Thank you for the research, keep up the great work!

[@faiazekabir7760]

Yaaay new Howtown video!

[@ScentlessSun]

This was such a challenging time. It seems like collectively society is still recovering from some of the mental trauma from the isolation.

[@ideatorx]

This channel is going to be massive. Vox but more human and thoughtful? Dang.

[@Mykasan]

I know people that had covid but i don't know anyone that died from it. Someone in my family had it and it probably worsen her state she died sometime after felling better.

[@louisparry-mills9132]

Fantastic video ! Really good stuff.

[@McLoganator]

This was sooo good! Fantastic work!

[@Kitsaplorax]

Medical facilities were flatly told to not record deaths as due to COVID. I know of three people who died of COVID where that is nowhere mentioned. Including one instance where the person caused a small epidemic that resulted in an additional death at a funeral. Undertakers and ME's were told to not mention COVID and in small counties, were told to not record any deaths as related to that pandemic.

[@jareduxr]

Data viz analog transparencies with digital effects, be still my heart.

[@ChuckUnderFire]

Can we all take a minute to appreciate the practical application of the data graphics? Made this video WAY more interesting to watch

[@thedofflin]

Love this channel concept, demystifying the facts we know and showing the processes we use to come to those conclusions. Brilliant science communication

[@meertin298]

Great production. Following and looking forward to more!

[@onionsoup3570]

This is amazing work! Great video ♡

[@gabriieIl]

this channel’s gonna pop off soon i just know it will

[@yaulkwong3775]

There are still many people recovered from COVID and they got sick recently because of the weaken lung/respiratory system. In HK / China, there are still many many case of sudden death due to all sort of lung sickness (most). The US has already the best and open figure but for other country/places, there maybe hidden or unreported case due to COVID.

[@evenmoreevil]

Joss is an incredible journalist.

[@BresciGaetano]

3:52 - So all the numbers are not based on actual real scientifically proven data but by medical stuff discretion, i wander how much of a role the mediatic propaganda and the underlying economical and political interests could have played in the perception of those people. Excess death just tell that in that period more people died, it does not make a difference by who was killed by the covid and who has been killed by the draconian safety mesure put on around the world. Suicide rates, lower chance to get cured and diagnosed other pathologies, drug addiction related problems, domestic violence and domestic injuries... p.s. no i don't argue it was fake, but i argue that for profit and power a lot of people suffered or has been killed while a mild inconvenience got exploit being sold as the impending apocalypse.

[@sajanpreetsingh9144]

13:24 was said alot in india and there's some truth too it the govt did give money to families of ppl who dies from covid and also to the hospitals to help them increase capacity the reason they gave per person was they thought this would ensure more money goes to areas where it's needed BTW personal experience my aunt's family got money like this even though we feel her father in law did not have covid (had no symptoms but did have other conditions) Another instance is i actually only got 1 dose of the vaccine before i had even booked an appointment for the second one got a message and a certificate that said I had gotten both (don't know why this happened was it just a genuine mistake or did they sell the shot)

[@robrook8617]

This channel is awesome. Thank you!

[@johannahill1868]

this kinda ended like a vlogbrothers video and I loved that. great question, super answer!

[@AaronGessati]

Very Nice Video! I like your Editing Stil ❤

[@sleepy_chronotype]

Can’t remember subscribing but here we are. Might as well enjoy the content

[@madyati]

Already a fan 🙋❤

[@iq4304]

This feels like if a outstanding literature survey paper of was a even more beautiful video

[@Zavorio]

Hi, just a reminder for everyone watching this to please wear a N95 or KN95 mask to protect yourself and others. It is an effective and simple method to avoid getting sick, in 4 and half years I've only been sick ONCE even though I've spent 200+ hours in planes and airports, attended a couple of week long work events, travelled in crowded public transportation and more. Wearing a mask is not limiting yourself in any way, don't let anyone tell you otherwise.

[@default179]

I've not worn a mask in years and also not been sick.

[@gulplastgaffel]

What's your point ​@@default179? I have also not been wearing a mask since the mask mandate ended, and I've been sick many times. Anecdotes are just anecdotes.

[@Zavorio]

@@default179 that is great to hear. My co-workers have not been that lucky : /

[@travmcbride]

YES! Give me ALL the Howtown stories 🙌🏼

[@rivandianjas]

I love Joss, and I love Hank. This episode is perfect.

[@junaid_2107]

Another Shameful expose for Modi and his incomptence

[@andybryant3052]

What would be harder to quantify is how many lives were saved by the vaccine. If we had info from countries that didnt get the vaccine early but did a good job of tracking it could probably be extrapolated. My guess is it wouldn't make a difference of more than 2% and that's probably being generous. I was all for the vaccine and masking but I think the country should have been more open and actually wonder if there's a rebound effect from limited contact which could make one less resilient. The vaccine surely saved lives but i bet it was less than one would imagine. I was for remote schooling to begin with but I think most people would say overall it was a failure.

[@JimBob1937]

The main point of the vaccine is to stop communal transmission by stopping or minimizing the time for the virus to live in hosts, multiply, and spread. It's crazy to consider, but the virus doesn't survive long outside hosts, thus most of the COVID infections were from person to person spread. From a governmental policy perspective, it is less about saving individual lives and more about reaching herd immunity and removing the transmission vector for the virus itself.

[@gulplastgaffel]

I really liked the format of this video! The discussion of wrong data reminds me of Hans Rosling. He used to say that we were completly misinformed about the state of the world, and that chimpanzees made more accurate guesses!

[@PlaylistZaKalawa]

I love your voice and sound production everything else too

[@joshc-dev]

ahh i love you hank. Howtown is just really nice❤

[@Rkcuddles]

Thank you Hank for bringing attention to this awesome channel.

[@judemiller]

I was thinking about this recently! Thank you!!

[@merelymayhem]

well made video! horrifying stuff I'm so angry at people with power and/or influence (big side eye at uhm I'm not gonna say it) who minimize this virus

[@user-lv9go4by8s]

I have been trying to explain it to people for years and I just fail. Great job with the content im going to be saying to watch this video to people from now on

[@yumnaapta]

Very enlightening!💡

[@cubicinfinity2]

If India underestimated by a factor of six, imagine how much China under reported.

[@Brittleighlee]

This is wonderfully made

[@h3ct0r13]

Very interesting video and beautifully made!!👏🏼👏🏼

[@Friday4]

Proud to be subscriber of @Howtown and @Search-Party you guys seriously make the best entertaining and informing content!!

[@SullyAfgarshe]

Great report you guys 🫡

[@SylviusTheMad]

I suggest this analysis still undercounts the cost in human lives of the pandemic, because we know that recorded COVID deaths were overwhemlingly likely to be older people, and their expected death rate was already pretty high. This means either that there were a bunch of other uncounted COVID deaths, or that the ancillary effects of the pandemic also killed a great many people. Poverty kills people at a remarkably predictable rate, so any economic costs associated with the pandemic (either COVID itself, or the public health responses to COVID) have a death toll. The only way I can imagine we could calculate which public health responses had a greater positive or negative effect on this would be to compare across jurisdictions that are demographically and geographically similar. Comparing Indiana to Iowa would work. Comparing California to Saskatchewan probably wouldn't.

[@pegendary]

Really great video!!

[@itsmemichael710]

I mean every staff who ever worked in Vox and they makes new channel is always have amazing style of making interesting videos

[@rruthlessly]

Excess deaths is such a fascinating statistic. I live in New Zealand and we had negative excess in 2020. The lockdowns here meant that there was very very little Covid and less car accidents, less suicide etc. In many data sets NZs increasing population after the borders opened is not taken into account and so the negative excess deaths continue longer than they should but during 2020 it appears to be a real thing.

[@Jorge_Pronto]

This channel deserves more attention and subs! Have you told about this channel to your friends yet?

[@lchu666]

I’d also say that wrt to “excess deaths” that estimate likely undercounts deaths due to the baseline needing to be adjusted downward because there was less human activity during that period. Deaths related to traffic all should have come down significantly. It absolutely reduced the number of mass shootings to zero. I’m curious if those who were tasked with coming up with the estimates took that into account?

[@jp8159]

Informative; thank you

[@heyheyhey520]

The animations, sound design, and paper show is like a piece of candy for my eyes and ears😮

[@gimmerain4days]

I feel like the strength of the idea of this channel is that it can help us all be more well informed in discussions with skeptics, cynics, and conspiracy ppl. I feel the video helps but fall short. I don't really feel more empowered to talk to a conspiracy person. I like the end about how it sheds light on our complex world and variations in countries. My constructive critique is to approach the topic like youre convincing a rational skeptic and keep saying the inconvenient stuff out loud. Thank you for your work.