How America's Most Hated Rock Climber was Almost Killed

[@mvk15]

So your telling me there a route out there with with bullets holes as holds?!?

[@NPC-fl3gq]

I knew I'd find somewhere I could maybe use my white Tricam 😂❤

[@why6212]

They were just helping him manufacture a new route

[@Idiomatick]

Automatic rifles are aid.

[@kylem7890]

Isnt that where all mono pockets come from here in america?

[@why6212]

@@kylem7890 🤣

[@as-q8u]

Santa doesn't sneak into kids rooms, he's supposed to stop at the living room...

[@johnsnow5125]

seems like Santa got it wrong then, all this time, in my home. Hm, what? Oh, nothing

[@goliathtigerfishes]

The man who sneaks into my room at night says he is Santa

[@archangel6666]

Makes me wonder….who snuck into this guys room dressed as Santa Claus and what exactly happened 😂😂😂

[@DesertPunk-USA]

But how does he know when you are sleeping?.......I was making that reference to the Santa Clause Coming to town song.

[@lesterforney6200]

Yeah, he just got confused with Epstein clause.

[@darthalex97]

You're telling me someone from rural Wyoming missed 10 shots with a semi automatic rifle at a motionless target. They probably probably intentionally missed.

[@I_Am_Your_Problem]

Correct. Force an error.. it becomes an accident.

[@JayCWhiteCloud]

This was not "a miss" at all, but a corrective action message sent with "lead" so that the narcissist could take an account of which is more valuable to him...his arrogance, or his own personal safety in being where he should not be...doing what should not have ever been done...You are 100% correct...this was intentional...and well executed with clear intent and outcome...

[@daemonspring]

Even if said person chose to continue, after a few shots it's hard for local government services to not step in and remove him "for his own safety". It's ironic to me that law enforcement is often the thing saving a lot of anti-social people from simply getting iced and forgotten about. Really, it should be criminals getting angry when the local services aren't the ones chasing them.

[@deoxal7947]

He made rock climbers out to be liberals but conservatives are known for being outdoorsy especially the hunters. So who is to say what his politics were

[@tree_eats]

@@deoxal7947 Mate, your conservatives are liberals, along with the majority of conservatives in capitalist countries. Conservatives want to conserve the status quo, which is liberalism (capitalism). I swear, none of you fuckers have even a basic understanding of the polarising terms you use so casually.

[@Skeeterizer]

“10 shots were fired, one for every sleep” 😂

[@nieziemskim]

Best line in the video. 😂. Genius 😂

[@SoulikPoulik]

well no shit einstein, that was the point. Dude wasnt even planning to kill him, it was about that message.

[@kinman3051]

Every sleep?

[@Skeeterizer]

@@kinman3051 ten sleep

[@Michael_Hunt]

Asleep.

[@theAbbeBusoni1]

freaky animations bro

[@TheMerryDwarf]

They as so wonderfully terrible

[@jakubp4590]

Happy freaktober

[@spacekoala2994]

Embrace the art man

[@RoboArc]

Diddy approves lol 😂

[@danman1032]

I love this comment

[@tahwnikcufos]

If it's not private property and is accessible to all who venture there, don't the, "leave it like you found it" rules apply? I mean it sounds like he's defacing nature for his own personal gain...

[@averyarp7901]

He was.

[@mizzjade2052]

That's something people say not law

[@zavtparticles]

​@@mizzjade2052 if it's federal property/national parks and he's chipping stones then, yea, that's illegal

[@Princess_Celestia_]

​@@zavtparticles Even if it's private property, there are still conservation laws that need to be followed. For example, my grandfather has farm land with areas on it he cannot legally plow up for planting crops on due to conservation laws. So the legality of what this guy did/does is dependent on local state/county laws.

[@tahwnikcufos]

@@mizzjade2052 Who said anything about law?

[@micahclimbs]

Louie came to my home crag (where there is a bolting moratorium) and bolted a route without talking to anyone in the area.

[@agingerredhead9380]

today i learned what moratorium means… thank you

[@KevinSorbo.]

So he climbed a hill in a way others dont like... The American way

[@ImGoat1995]

​@@KevinSorbo. God you're a loser

[@averyarp7901]

​@@KevinSorbo.No he used a method that's outlawed because of stone integrity and wanting to maintain the natural state.

[@joeblowe8140]

Based

[@fayettevillainJD]

Louie is still manufacturing routes, just not in Ten Sleep. He travels to lesser known areas and continues to do all of the things he is known for. He absolutely has not learned his lesson. If Louie is coming to your area, keep your eyes very open and look closely at his routes. He does not give a shit about your climbing community, he only wants to add to his route count.

[@GMercer015]

If Louie is coming to my area I'll be keeping my eyes open so I can hop on this excellent route development work 🤌 This is a story about the power of the hive mind and the effects that uninformed climbers can have on the development community, it has nothing to do with manufacturing which in truth is a universal standard in route development. Trust me when I say that 3-star line at your local crag with nothing but bomber holds likely didn't start that way, we'd be seeing a lot more outdoor deaths in RDs kept things "natural"

[@fayettevillainJD]

@@GMercer015 there is a difference between cleaning a route and literally chipping holds with a chisel or drilling in holds that didnt remotely exist before. It is universally frowned upon. I agree, there are some development practices that might make the general climbing population cringe, but what Louie is doing is not even comparable. Manufacturing holds is not a universal standard.

[@henrygilbert3798]

@@GMercer015 You are so very wrong and so very alone in holding this perspective. Making a route safe and manufacturing holds are completely different things.

[@davidseslar5798]

@@GMercer015 Dude - If you want to climb on bomber manufactured holds, stay inside; stay in the gym.

[@MegaChickenPunch]

@@GMercer015 take a bath with a toaster

[@andrewbrown6279]

He's like the ubisoft of Climbing?

[@aheenobarbushenocied9880]

Ah, a fellow gamer, right this way sire.

[@budgetbuilt8838]

I'd say it's more like fortnite, it's free but no matter what they do to it, it's just making it worse 😂

[@thehuntressdanni2972]

​@budgetbuilt8838 Then stfu and don't use it. No need to whine about it 24/7.

[@GMercer015]

Louis is just the scapegoat of the development community,. The reality not mentioned in this video is that the majority of climbing is chipped, glued, or sanded down to SOME degree most climbers just do not realize this is apart of the process of making something climbable. Even the most natural climbs usually require some degree of chipping away the dangerous layers of rock that could be pulled on and present a risk to future climbers. The real story here is the power of the internet's hive mind and the witch hunt that ensued from a group of uninformed climbers (le' redditors)

[@bolshevikapologist]

​@@budgetbuilt8838 they seem to do pretty well

[@spoodlydoodler3552]

The problem with him writing about his rock climbing routes, was that he was the one making these routes, literally destroying styff just to put himself on the map. Ridiculous stuff

[@NotALizardPerson81]

You basically just defined capitalism.

[@homelessalcoholic2716]

​@@NotALizardPerson81In what way specifically?

[@lildad559]

So like most rock climbers😂

[@whinybritches]

@@lildad559 How so?

[@Johnny_Cash_Flow]

0:17 Wait, is this a new rule? And when you say, "Don't shoot semiautomatic rifles at somebody while they're climbing," does that mean that shooting automatic rifles at someone is not against the rules? I'm just a little confused here having just learned this rule and would like some clarification. Thanks.

[@Splattedable]

Fully automatic rifles are not allowed at all, but semiautomatic is acceptable if they stop to rest at any point. It's the "while they're climbing" which you need to take note of here.

[@manthonybojoesigh9174]

@@Splattedable you can in fact own automatic rifles int he us Switzerland new Zealand Canada the uk and several other country's

[@Splattedable]

@@manthonybojoesigh9174 Regardless of whether your government allows the OWNERSHIP of fully automatic rifles, the climbing community still prohibits their USE when disposing of rivals. I've never been to a single gym where that was allowed.

[@Johnny_Cash_Flow]

@@Splattedable Taking notes - thanks for the clarification! I can't wait to get back to the crag and share this knowledge with everyone who called me a 'gumby!'

[@kd5nrh]

I mean, it just sounds like the sort of rule someone would only make if they're planning to make people want to shoot semiautomatic rifles at them. I notice it says nothing about flamethrowers, though.

[@pjwebb5967]

It's important to note that the Riverside Quarry is choss and isn't enjoyably climbed without glue. (I've climbed there.)

[@ahdnoh]

This place gets people killed. But hey you can claim 5.12s because they have full standing rests before the crux so there's that.

[@benpearson49]

Choss?

[@benpearson49]

Choss?

[@axelmilan4292]

@@benpearson49term used to describe rock that is generally unsuitable for climbing (too soft, unstable, etc.)

[@000Ares26]

@@axelmilan4292 Choss?

[@bigjtexas2309]

I think making rock climbing more accessible is awesome, I also think damaging a natural wall is wrong. His philosophy of “you do you and I will do me” doesn’t hold an ounce of water, because he is actively messing with something other people are enjoying. I personally believe that the park services people should have stepped in waaaaaaay before the shooting.

[@kenkneram4819]

I see an easy compromise. Some routes can be preserved as "100% natural" and others listed as "Modified for your safety and enjoyment." Everybody wins. I think the National Park Service should look into establishing this as a policy.

[@hoilst265]

"You do you and I will do me" is one of those phrases that sounds nice, and should be a good philosophy, but it almost invariably used only by a-holes whose "doing me" actively pisses off everyone else..

[@imlurkk]

0:53 "but he also had a job and didnt live in a van" LMFAOOOOO

[@danielrafa6122]

I live in a van and I have a job... FJB!

[@Z0DIIAC]

my brother in Christ this has nothing to do with politics,,,

[@00-Dima]

​@@danielrafa6122makes sense if rump lives in your smooth brain

[@512Airsoft]

eating peanut butter when suddenly he said "prolapsed anus" and I did not like that

[@NPC-fl3gq]

...least it wasn't Nutella

[@maximedaunis8292]

​@@NPC-fl3gqSame thing, same thing...

[@brokens1097]

Eating pb with those lips or from an anus?

[@kraicheamsawat7483]

your “rrrrrrrungne” pronunciation is so impressive it make me wanna order magdust right now

[@TheGumbyGuy]

honestly, it's pretty worth it. I have some and it definitely does it's job well.

[@maxjacobs6188]

​@@TheGumbyGuyOk Magnus

[@TheGumbyGuy]

@@maxjacobs6188 Lol I wish I can only climb V6

[@christianbarnay2499]

I don't understand the Forest Service attitude. Someone illegally alters federal property. They can immediately arrest him and avoid all the mess. But they decide to just sit there watching the situation escalate out of control and finally intervene at the very last minute when the idiot's life is at stake. They should have been the first ones to intervene, even before local climbers criticized his actions.

[@davidseslar5798]

Charlie don't climb.

[@PatrickPease]

It's not even noticeable until people start making noise...

[@adamg7984]

Agreed but isn't that typical of our government? Act when it's already too late or escalated to a dangerous degree? That's why we're the most free country, people don't give a fuck for one another until they're forced to. I am exaggerating, of course, I just mean we so often let things go until it's a serious problem and the gov is no different.

[@aheenobarbushenocied9880]

I'm scared of going out in the dark now... to think that there's a man of this caliber stalking the cliffs... blowing his hot glue on the face of every unsuspecting climber.

[@adamg7984]

I don't know, I'd take the hot glue over being shot at. So Gluey Louie isn't the worst thing. And I'd take being shot at over a grizzly bear, so, please don't let me run into one of them.

[@samdeshler]

In the SoCal sport climbing scene in the 80s-00s, chipping and gluing was the absolute norm. Outside of the Riverside Quarry (which is granite) most of this rock modification took place on the local limestone. Limestone in its normal state is dirty nasty choss and requires significant and aggressive cleaning. I guarantee, if you've ever enjoyed a limestone route, you've touched holds that were modified or reinforced. Louie was not the only person developing and opening routes in this fashion at the time, but he had the most significant contribution. I think Louie's development style is a product of his time, and that product fell out of fashion. I think climbers often mistake the argument being "to glue or not to glue", but the actual developers/bolters are just arguing "HOW MUCH should you glue". I think "the most hated rock climber ever" certainly should be Charlie Barrett. Instead of a trail of chipped and glued holds he left a trail of ... Well, just search his name.

[@rockiesbouldering]

Sounds like you've never touched good limestone (aka godstone).

[@Fabianwew]

I've never climbed on anything glued ever.

[@amazingsil]

@@Fabianwew you have, you are just blissfully unaware. sika is on holds in just about every area.

[@7um4dr3]

@@amazingsil European limestone wants to have a word with you.

[@gball8466]

@@7um4dr3 There is plenty of glue in Europe at limestone crags.

[@FlowKio]

Drilling into rock and installing holds without a certified permit or engineers approval you’ll run the risk of killing someone if that hold doesn’t hold

[@m420-nd1if]

If a hold doesn't hold is it called a held?

[@daemonspring]

@@m420-nd1if Not sure, but someone who's too bold and won't be told, then won't fold, won't grow old but will go cold.

[@arthurwilliams3479]

You should arrest Mother Nature too, since she never has permits and that certified hold will fail at random just cos she's feeling whimsical. Engineering certification on rocks LOL

[@Xezian]

listen im not a rock climber but even I can see the issue with chipping away, introducing glue and bolts into areas that previously didn't have them, especially if this shit is public property, these are areas meant to be preserved for their natural beauty, and this type of reckless changes to the environment can slowly over time introduce new routes for water to seep in and eat away or erode the rocks which can end up damaging the environment and making the route less safe. One man doesn't get to make this call, this should be done with heavy consideration before hand by a pretty sizable group which includes experts.

[@gorkyd7912]

Bah, experts can get lost. I somewhat agree but we really shouldn't be prioritizing some theoretical erosion of rocks over people's recreational use of them. The real issue is his recreation interferes with someone else's recreation because he was making hard, natural climbing walls into easy, unnatural climbing walls. But that's a balance. Like, there's endless wilderness of hard, natural climbing walls and regardless how much gluing and screwing he does there will only be a small amount that were made easier unnaturally for the many people who are climbing more for the experience than for the challenge.

[@jillscott4029]

@@gorkyd7912 It's not theoretical though and over time can cause the collapse of the entire rock face. There are ways to safely make secure routs and tie offs and holds that don't damage the rock face or contribute to erosion but that takes a lot of work and planning and usually maintenance.

[@gorkyd7912]

@@jillscott4029 Fair enough.

[@dqson7502]

@@gorkyd7912 Endless? not even close to true, and people don't want to have to drive an hour because someone ruined their local climbing area, I don't understand how this is hard for people to understand. In my area there are very, very limited natural climbing areas. If someone did this to my area id have to drive hours to experience a natural wall. Literally just make artificial routes in a gym, that's what gyms are for.

[@pierQRzt180]

the guy sending rounds towards the protagonist was simply manufacturing routes from distance. Too lazy to go there and bolt anything.

[@themurderofcoke]

“I’m not shooting at you I’m helping you bolt and setting mono pockets”

[@user_kH9bw3ns1]

the gun shooter was "just living life his own way," while "Louis was just living his own way." Just like Louie likes! ;p

[@adamg7984]

Ohhhhh, he loaded bolt rounds in the gun? That's pretty smart, honestly.

[@adamg7984]

@@user_kH9bw3ns1 Yeah, but to be fair one is actively hostile and dangerous to Louie. The other is just defacing rocks, which I get it's a big deal. Just shouldn't solve your problems with warning shots. That's a sign that there's something wrong with you if you think that's okay. Warning shots can still kill people if they ricochet and frankly could have also caused Louie to fall to his death from panic. Basically, whoever did that is below Louie on the "human quality" scale, so there's nothing to celebrate for them loosing 10 rounds at the guy.

[@lily.moeller]

7:11 ummmm is that stock footage of someone boiling garlic? With the skin on, no less? I have so many questions…

[@mrdumbfellow927]

I'm interested in the lore behind this stock footage as well.

[@professor4903]

As a chef, it's a way to peel garlic more easily, that is if you are a psychopath.

[@justinterested5819]

Why cant people who want artificial routes go to an artificial rock instead of messing with natural one?

[@JayCWhiteCloud]

Louie Anderson, along with numerous others I have encountered over nearly five decades of climbing from Yosemite to the Gunks, exemplifies a troubling trend. Their arrogance, and narcissistic perspectives undermine and utterly destroy the genuine freedom that rock climbing offers. Countless people who love "moving over stone" in the vertical and sincerely are enthusiasts that cherish in the climbing experience get painted by outsiders with the same brush and viewpoints that Anderson's attention brings upon the community. For myself and fellow traditional climbers who advocate for future generations to engage with the natural beauty of vertical landscapes untainted by human augmentation, the insincere apologies from individuals like Anderson-who prioritize the commercialization of rock climbing over its intrinsic values-are both unforgettable and untrustworthy. Their claims of devotion to the sport ring hollow when juxtaposed with their evident commercial self-interest. I do not condone what someone finally thought they had to do to stop his destructive and hubristic actions but I certainly do understand them...

[@poisonouslead85]

They could have killed him if they wanted to. Stationary target, not returning fire, 10 shots. If they wanted to kill him they would have walked the impacts in on him. Would have gotten at least 1 hit within those ten rounds.

[@JayCWhiteCloud]

@@poisonouslead85 100%...and perhaps why no one was ever caught as far as I know (???) as the local police most likely filed this under "low priority" as the issue solved itself once this arrogant outsider got the message to perhaps listen to people and stop the damage he was doing...Again, I wish to stress I do not condone this action at all, but fully understand it...

[@bflagg94]

Not sure it was a good idea to use a clip of Bobby from Hownot2 bolting while talking about "the most hated climber of all time" bolting routes.

[@gr.4380]

I love Bobby's glue

[@pierQRzt180]

PSA check hownot2 tests on gear.

[@crakkbone]

But nobody likes Bobby so who cares? He’s a big weird weirdo.

[@rockiesbouldering]

@@bflagg94 could be wrong but it looks like Bobby’s drilling in reverse 🫢

[@RussellDJ]

​@crakkbone That's why he's loved, he's a golden retriever.

[@leftol6310]

Man you bring much content for rock climbers. Super nice to see you grow hope you never stop. Dyno to 100k

[@danielgrayling5032]

Imagine explaining this nonsense to non-climbers.

[@makoko6812]

i guess we have to start with: "we are an elitery group, and we are butthurt about almost everything."

[@abotaccount6094]

As someone who doesn't climb, this is enthralling

[@ciscoortega9789]

"The climbing community values preserving the natural state of the rock" What's so hard to understand about that? People know that national parks and historical heritages exist

[@garyp.7501]

@@ciscoortega9789 For a long time they didn't "preserve the natural state" and bolting a route that was deemed unsafe otherwise was ok. Then once people showed that it could be climbed without aid, then bolting fell out of favor except for belay stances. And now that's a no-no.

[@kylethompson9068]

So every hobby ever?

[@derrickcook1824]

11:40 you're watching one guy Make His own decision and act on it regardless of others opinions and are very clear that it is him not multiple people acting. However when he gets shot at within say all rock climbers, however this is the exact same scenario. It's one guy making his own decision regardless of other people's opinions. This is The issue your fighting and what needs to be called out. If you ask me they're both psychopathic as the act of doing something without regards to the opinions of those around you, kind of like Hitler to the other countries around, is the number one way to create a spread corruption in this world. Just blowed out of proportion and it becomes clear. If this kind of character isn't stopped within each person it will grow and become a Hitler, in whatever aspect the characters dealing with.

[@Russelluprocks]

Never thought I'd be a thumbnail. 😂

[@DadCanFixAnything]

Mostly good information, but they weren't actually trying to kill him or he'd have been dead. We're talking about Wyoming where kids are practically born with a gun in hand and an uncanny ability to use it. They were just sending a clear message that he didn't seem to hear without a 'report' behind it. Wyoming is the least populated state for a reason. The people that live in Wyoming year round work hard, thrive in sub-zero wind chills, and should never be provoked (not talking about the summer and/or hunting cabin folks that run out for the rest of winter when hunting season ends).

[@WyomingFamilyAdventures]

Sounds about right. However, you didn't mention that most people in Wyoming are respectful and very willing to help others. But ya, don't come to Wyoming trying to make it like California or locals may teach you the FAAFO philosophy. At least Gluey got the message before it got worse. That said, Wyoming still has some awesome all natural climbing. Just leave your glue at home.

[@JayCWhiteCloud]

@@WyomingFamilyAdventures Spot on...Wonderful place, great TRADITIONAL CLIMBING ethos can still be found there and will ever remain because it is just that...Wyoming...a place you go to or live in as it is...not where someone's arrogance and greed thinks it should go...

[@littlefish1069]

So they were negligent

[@michaelbrown1724]

10:34 "one for each sleep in the canyon" 😂

[@scottking2962]

I lol'd big time after hearing that.

[@SoulikPoulik]

well no shit einstein, that was the point. Dude wasnt even planning to kill him, it was about that message.

[@michaelbrown1724]

@@SoulikPoulik haha I think you might have responded to the wrong comment since your comment makes no sense.

[@SoulikPoulik]

@@michaelbrown1724 no it is the right comment, not surprised you dont get it

[@michaelbrown1724]

@@SoulikPoulik hahahah I literally quoted something he said in his video and was laughing about it. You don’t understand buddy

[@rooster5572]

the gluey louie animation is the best thing currently on the internet

[@cloomy8]

3:45 WHAT!!?????

[@JustsumIdiots-l8f]

AYO

[@pengc6538]

Can you do an episode on Survival of the Fittest from the 80s? And how Lynn Hill won 4 of them?

[@craigbritton1089]

@@pengc6538 if you do; you need to talk to Ron Kauk about Bruce Jenner and what happened to him; and how poorly he did. And how they took a win away from Ron. As well as the Marine obstacle course champion who got smoked by Ron in that event; and in the cudgel fight over water; tried to punch Ron to knock him off; and failed; but Ron responded with a punch. One Marine down. And ask Caitlyn Jenner about who punched them. And then there were the competitors before the uphill/ downhill run/ in all their Olympic and other elite events jerseys warming up; and looking with disdain at Jim Bridwell warming up by smoking a cigarette. As I recall, Jim won the event.

[@unvexis]

When I want a manufactured route, I drive to the local gym. Yes, many outdoor routes are at least partially manufactured due to "aggressive cleaning" and other techniques, but adding holds is another thing entirely.

[@arthurwilliams3479]

i go one step further, if you use ropes or any holds you aren't a climber, you're a roper. naturalists should climb without ropes.

[@DigitalNeb]

I'd imagine whoever took those shots had no intention of actually shooting Louie at that moment. They were just letting him know that he wasn't in California anymore.

[@ryshellso526]

Based.

[@euanmurray8146]

Imagine if this happened in the UK gritstone venues, i think he may have been banned from every climbing gym and outdoor crag in the country and then probably killed

[@Yildun28]

So true. UK climbing culture reaches a level of toxic that makes nuclear waste feel inadequate.

[@ksc1406]

13:23 These are all the same person.

[@syriuszb8611]

I mean, if he would just add some trails that are accessible, without depriving other people challenge, I would agree with him. But making "every route to be 5 stars" is way out of line. They should follow some rules about manufacturing routes, try to minimalise negative impact and try to work with community they supposedly made those routes for, not try to become some kind of glue king.

[@pierQRzt180]

"that was me" 1 minute old comment, with the upvote highlighted. Again sneaky you!

[@berg5714]

Climbing in nature includes a responsibility to care for that nature. Climbers have a long tradition of advocating for preservation of our nature, and we should keep it that way.

[@이상민98]

Never knew I could be so bothered by someone saying route Raowt instead of Root

[@skipfred]

That's how it's pronounced in American English.

[@MellowMaromi]

Route and root are different things, though and they don't sound the same?

[@amagicmuffin1191]

depends on dialect

[@Youtubeispoo-o6d]

So the climbing community praised him for environmental distruction, while others demonized him for the same. Sounds like the climbing community is just as much at fault for not letting him bring it into disrepute.

[@josephsalcido1639]

Unfortunately our Riverside Quarry has been closed down as lose holds have been responsible for multiple injuries

[@TheGrinningViking]

Ooof, fuck Lewie. He could have at least used cement instead of glue.

[@Blitzkrieg_Wolf]

This is one of the most intriguing recommended feed clicks I've seen in a while... A real Cliffhanger. I'll see myself out now.

[@Mousepad14]

Don't vandalize nature. Won't get shot at. Simple as.

[@arthurwilliams3479]

Climbing is vandalizing.

[@NinammaRai-d8h]

@@arthurwilliams3479 How????

[@silent_stalker3687]

@@arthurwilliams3479so you shoot at goats and monkeys?

[@michaelpierce5644]

The production quality has gone up, and I am here for it

[@cheeks7050]

9:30 it's "fell" swoop, not "foul" swoop.

[@dustinz7131]

Yea he said fell

[@brandonpiech3]

Bro what is the song at 4:16 the place I work at has an arcade machine that constantly plays it and hearing it gave me ptsd

[@BoboBish]

Glad to see you worked on your pronunciation of "Rungne." Now get to work on "Emil."

[@Sahxocnsba]

Great video, man. This was a wild story and you covered it super well

[@Keviamaya]

I didn't expect this huge gluey louie load right on my feed.

[@GregFeeneyPoker]

Ok, one shot was fired "for every sleep" killed me. 😂💀

[@hanniballecter3790]

Don't even rock climb and he already frustrates me.

[@MichaelMegaChannel12]

As others have pointed out, I think it was unfortunately a bad timing for using a video of Bobby (from HowNot2) bolting while talking about Louie bolting - which gave the impression that the man in the video is Louie. However it is clear that there are no bad intentions in that, I would consider fixing that issue and reuploading, or at least clarifying it in the description AND pinning a comment with explanation. Other than that - a very interesting story told in a very interesting way!

[@Darkolas]

Dude fr, I had a stop the video and do a google search and find some pictures to ensure the adorable man I love watching in the hownow2 videos wasn't somehow the most hated rock climber.🤣

[@F0reman371]

I guess I just don't understand the motive here. Why is he so determined to manufacture these paths if literally EVERYONE does not want him to. What is so important to him? And does he truly not understand that "making" a climb route cheapens the feat? Like it takes much less skill to climb a path that you KNOW is doable because someone literally created it vs FINDING a path through your own ability and the physics of the rock. Why does he have to be such a tool?

[@NotALizardPerson81]

Capitalism.

[@TheMotlias]

A few months back I was walking along Cheddar gorge here in the UK, it's one of the most historic climbing locals in Britain as I was walking along I saw and chatted with a lot of climbers from all over europe and I noticed as I got back towards the end where all the Coaches park up... THEY HAD BOLTED VB LEVEL HOLDS ONTO THE LIMESTONE, I laughed at first and then stood in horrified shock when I realised what they had done. Look sure there's kids who want to say they climbed in Cheddar gorge but this was too far!

[@kekgoogle4809]

disagree with it being too far, 10 shots is clearly just a warning for the guy.

[@zucc223]

you shouldve actually introduced the guy i wanna know what he looks like before you explain the story so i can imagine it better

[@SpencerDonahue]

11:40 its important to point out that you're talking about American climbers - not surprising in the slightest that someone decide to try and shoot him. Lets be real.

[@R3volutionblu3s]

Sometimes violence is the only language people understand.

[@yungmalaria]

I’ve know of a classic story of two guys getting in a gun fight over “who can make kool-aid better”. But this stuff is actually nuts

[@loganb7059]

Obviously British climbers will use ice picks

[@SomeOrdinaryJanitor]

i mean yeah to be fair, i'll give you that one, but it's also people like this that give lawful gun owners a bad name, there's two things i'm VERY passionate about, and that's Aviation and Firearms, and unless someone is posing an active threat to you or other peoples lives, then you cannot use lethal force. simple as.

[@joeblowe8140]

Europeans will just whine about it, and not solve the problem. I agree

[@DocWiggles]

had a rock climbing phase in HS 30 years ago. I don't know why this was in my feed... but I watched the whole thing solely for the editing & story telling prowess - pho king phenomenal.

[@JamesLinenX]

Defacing state land is wild.

[@XxuplmxX]

gorgeous production value, 10/10 keep it up

[@briannam3140]

I’m not even a rock climber or know anything abt it or the community but who tf would alter routes ??? you can’t just let rocks be rocks?? even if it’s in the quarry, those were altered by past activity for other reasons

[@gin9in]

The subtle/not at all subtle humour throughout this is WILD

[@masternick13]

Production quality was amazing with an engaging and relevant story. Well told. Great narration. I hope Rungne pays you a lot and is a good sponsor, i was already buying their products and love all of them. A match made in heaven.

[@Princess_Celestia_]

A quarry is where they get the rock for making everything from statues to counter tops and even gravel for making cement and roads from.

[@ImpPoster]

Sounds sus to call it attempted murder. Even if their aim was crap, they'd have more then 10 bullets. It was a radical warning and a threat on his life, not an attempted murder.

[@timon20061995]

How safe is glued handhold? Like I don’t think super glue can hold my weight at all

[@bigships]

Idk but it’s probably something stronger than superglue

[@TheGrinningViking]

Someone was saying that the climbing spots in the quarry he worked in CA were shut down because of unsafe holds that eventually started coming loose.

[@laurenz1337_]

But why is bolting controversial? Dont you need bolts anyway to climb the routes safely? I get that gluing rock sucks but in order to make something even climbable, you need bolts.

[@dylanwillmon5672]

From my understanding the bolts weren't the problem, it was the rest of his "manufacturing" but they wanted to get rid of every trace of him having climbed the rocks

[@joeblow8379]

It's more typical whining about California. It's so tired at this point

[@pretzelbomb6105]

I’m not a climber, but it sounds to me like the issue wasn’t the creation of routes in of itself, but the unnecessary modification of existing routes. When he was building routes in the broken walls of a quarry, it was fine: that was creating something where there was nothing. In Ten Sleep, though, it sounds like he was altering existing routes to make them “more accessible” before listing them in his guidebook. A painstakingly discovered series of natural holds which required experience and strength to navigate irreparably altered so one guy could sell a book.

[@Qubeman]

Did this srsly happen cuz I can’t find any information about it online

[@joeblowe3180]

Weird 4 min section with blatant anti-California sentiment. The internet outrage over everything has turned KZbin into a cesspit. You know less about California than you do about gluing holds.

[@Willrocs]

Weird? Cali is 100% shithole now...sorry you are in denial

[@DynoTeti]

@@Willrocsfr

[@BrianBast]

I saw the thumbnail of this video and came here to write a comment. I got "shot at" once while climbing, the reason why I put that in quotations because he wasn't really shooting at me but near me, way too close. I was doing some top rope soloing on a cliff near my parent's house, it's actually on one of my friend's property and I was completely alone, I'm about halfway up the climb and I hear a gunshot and then an impact on the cliff underneath me, his neighbor was shooting his gun recreationally and had no clue I was there, this wasn't a set climbing route and I'm sure I was the first person to ever climb there since it was all private property. I started yelling at him telling him that someone is over here and to stop shooting but he couldn't hear me, he was probably wearing earplugs so I just had to finish my climb, top out and hike around the cliff where I was safe. you would think I would be really scary but maybe it's the fact that I wasn't actually getting shot at or maybe it's just in my blood not to be scared, my grandpa was a pole climber in Vietnam, he would climb the poles and fix telegraph wires I want to get shot at by snipers while up there so he would just have to hide on the other side of the telegraph Pole.

[@ThreeAngrySquirrels]

People who tried to justify him getting shot at by saying "maybe you'll take the hint now" are actual psychopaths and a disgrace to the sport, far more than this person.

[@genericfakename8197]

Why? Do you think he won't take the hint?

[@SuperPunktpunktpunkt]

It's actually insane how many people try to justify attempted murder in this comment section over something that's relatively trivial in the grand scheme of things.

[@whinybritches]

@@SuperPunktpunktpunkt Because it doesn't seem like attempted murder. I think y'all just aren't familiar with Wyoming lmao

[@mounirdellagi7091]

Will we get an OG classic episode any time again? You know, Guess the Grade...

[@MikeDodds]

News for you dude, if someone took ten shots at him and none of them hit, they weren’t trying to kill him.

[@clemdane]

Why wouldn't the Forest Service have stepped in way earlier? Why was it up to the climbing community to undo his unauthorized bolting and gluing?

[@xp7575]

Wait, is Louie actually one of the guys who works for the How Not To Climb channel or were you just using that clip as stock footage of a route being cleaned??

[@bryceparkman7387]

stock footage

[@xp7575]

​​@@bryceparkman7387 ooof, I mean I'm glad that's not Louie and I love this channel but it was kinda messed up of him to use footage of an active figure in the climbing community who helps run a good climbing channel the way he used that clip here, the timing of where it was placed in the vid with what he was saying in the narration at the time made it seem like that was Louie, I hope Climbing Stuff pins a comment clarifying that it was just stock footage and that he didn't mean to imply that was Louie

[@nickhenscheid369]

Yeah that was a bad choice IMO. That is Bobby Hutton.

[@bflagg94]

That's Bobby and Bobby has never done anything wrong

[@Monkchelle_Kongbama]

@@bflagg94 I heard he came to lindsay lohan in that one snl skit

[@RonMarish]

Dude. Your the funniest KZbinr I've ever watched. How did I just find your channel now?

[@RandyMarsh616]

Gluing in Riverside Rock Quarry is one thing, sure, establish a sport spot there, but doing it in Joshua Tree, an already ethically established climbing area? Get out of here. Also, I like the nickname "Old Hammer and Glue Lou".

[@CarpeNoctem135]

11:32 hippies are mean people pretending to be nice, and metalheads are nice people pretending to be mean in most cases

[@Mountainmonths]

louie is in the wrong

[@HudsonFW]

Santa snuck into my room one time and left some liquid chalk on the floor. Looks like it dribbled out the bottle onto the floor. Poor seal i guess.

[@Bombskwad92]

As a non climber this just all seems like whiney bullshit, you're allowed to drill and set holds for ropes, what's the difference between that and a hold? And if you think they're ruining it, then why chop the bolts knowing new ones will be added?

[@evilbarrels2506]

Main issue I can see is he altered routes without permission. Like, would you like it if you had a route you liked that had a difficult part that you enjoyed the challenge of, and some new guy decided to glue extra handholds to make it easier without telling anyone what he's doing or asking permission because he thought it would be better? In California Louie was mostly making entirely new routes, taking the sheer quarry wall and setting safe climbing routes into it; in Ten Sleep he was altering existing routes people had been climbing for decades, possibly centuries.

[@NathanMiller-ek9tv]

The bolts are set to keep you from seriously injuring yourself when you fall. Theoretically, they don't help you climb the route, and you climb the route as is.

[@squishysquoosh9850]

Not trying to be a dick but just making sure i understand. The issue is that its easier for other people?​@NathanMiller-ek9tv

[@agingerredhead9380]

imagine i rocked up to a skate park and said “shit man most people can’t grind rails i should just get rid of those” or “ wow that’s a scary jump, i better make it shorter so that it’s easier” would that be rational? he’s doing this but in rocks

[@kenkneram4819]

​@@evilbarrels2506 Nobody is forced to use the hardware that he installed. In fact, according to the story, detractors put "padlocks" in to prevent the holds from being used. If you want the challenge, don't use the holds. If you find yourself in trouble or just want to practice, use them. I don't see an issue if the development is "near but not in" the existing route. That way everybody wins.

[@brentnevius2849]

Thanks man, those graphics got my sub!

[@Switters69]

This video is misleading: Louie Anderson continues to be a problem for Wyoming climbing and we would give anything for him to move back to California.

[@crispbacon696]

Easier way to solve the problem is to change yourself. You and your opinion of what climbing is or isn’t. is just that, yours. Let everyone do there own thing. And stop trying to make the world revolve around you

[@Switters69]

@@crispbacon696 Your reply misses the mark by a mile and your attempt to be deep is embarrassing when you speak so confidently about a problem that you yourself are not here to have to clean up after. Allowing people to do what they want, as you suggested, has led us exactly where we are- land managers creating rules that restrict our usage of our own public lands. Now, since we’re giving out suggestions to strangers on the internet here’s mine: get involved in maintaining your local crag and chatting with your own land managers and see for yourself. It’s takes a whole lot of the exact opposite of what you suggest.

[@tylerfranke1699]

@@crispbacon696congrats on earning lvl 99 kook

[@technic3750]

@@crispbacon696you can have your own opinions but when that actively affects someone else and there is a large majority you should stop. It’s like how people think free speech lets you make threats which it doesn’t

[@valdemarjrgensen8072]

​​@@crispbacon696yeah, if I'm going to steal your car, don't be negative and stop me, just let me "do my own thing". Because my actions couldn't possibly affect you.

[@J.C...]

2:30 Wait. He was bolting and gluing rocks onto other rocks? I don't get it.

[@seandachtler365]

I appreciate the final follow up. I knew him when he opened the factory bouldering in Orange County, which he built himself. He is such a hard working and genuine guy. Really nice, funny, and clearly willing to learn from his mistakes. His socal routes are 5 star. He also built ten sleep rock ranch with his bare hands from the ground up. I don’t think most of the community understands the amount of work route setters put in. It would be cool if there were more appreciation videos for those who have basically built the climbing community through their gyms, crag development, routes, and guide books. Louie would definitely be one to thank. Also, I’m not excusing his actions.

[@GMercer015]

An easy litmus test for climbers is asking about their opinion on this story. Louis was unfortunately propped up as the scapegoat for the climbing community and accosted by the hive mind of the internet and reddit -- anyone who understands route development or what goes on to create these outdoor crags empathizes with Louis here.

[@davidseslar5798]

@@GMercer015 If Louey Gluey only wants to put up stick-on routes, there are a lot of blank, unclimbable concrete walls for him to pursue his collage habit on.

[@keigank6440]

An easy litmus test for inconsiderate, shortsighted climbers is to ask their opinion of this story. Putting up routes without community input and using illegal methods is why we have the NPS and USFS regulations trying to limit bolting and climbing access. Altering a public space with blatant disregard for the public is wrong. Also, your point that the outdoor community supports him is BS. Even the video discusses the local hatred he stirred up.

[@MatthewWright-y9t]

I climb the riverside quarry, and really enjoy the manufactured routes. They are really good imo

[@grbradsk]

There's something called "balance". I'm for Via ferata, manufactured in contained areas, and leaving other areas natural.

[@dinonkd]

3:45 Freaky louie 💀

[@Hhhh-o4v6i]

I was wondering if anybody saw that either💀💀

[@holstblock.web3]

Such an interesting mini-documentary. I didn't knew we had such good stories around.

[@PodcastOnTheSpectrum]

Theres not many things more insufferable than a self righteous rock climber... This story/ comment section pretty well proves that.

[@bigships]

Yeah, the amount of victim blaming goes insane

[@ChaosSwissroIl]

@@bigships Let make things more clear to you. Imagine someone keeps going into a national park and dumps barrels of oil for literally no reason. There is no reason for them to do this. What they are doing is both wrong and illegal. People tell them why it is wrong and to stop. They keep doing it. They're not a victim, they were victimizing literally everyone else.

[@bigships]

@@ChaosSwissroIl i understand that but it still doesn’t justify attempting to unalive someone.

[@whinybritches]

@bigships They didn't. That was 100% a warning

[@justind16001]

dude, these animations are amazing

[@rohanjagannath93]

Laugh, practice dynos, and don't go around threatening people The church has once again shown us the way

[@zappafan13]

Almost chased out of Los Angeles after his Boney Bluffs chipping, bolting and not even climbing the FA’s in the 90’s. Slightly controversial.

[@m1nd_fl4y3r_m80]

Its insane to me that people demonized this guy for making routes way more accessible in an absolutely beautiful area. Elitism has surely taken the rock climbing community if they're trying to justify shooting someone over putting bolts and holds on climbing routes.

[@davidseslar5798]

Bolts for protection on climbable routes that can't adequately be protected is far different than than creating easy holds on climbs that are too hard for you to climb. Want only easy climbs outdoors on manufactured holds? Have Looey Gluey put some up for you on concrete walls.

[@poiwytlee]

I'm also confused about what the problem is.

[@temkin9298]

​@@poiwytlee Basicly each route has a difficulty from 1 to 5. As far as i understand in california he made routes that didn't take away from established routes as it was a query. However when he was at a established place with easy to hard routes, he made hard routes easier making climbing them too easy to gain satisfaction. Funky town was probably one of the most prized routes for its famous hard routes and he made it too easy not only taking satisfaction of beating it but also destroying mastery of the climb. Basicly it is like playing on very easy makes you bored and playing on immpossible feels like an achomplishment. He basicly made everything for babies and expected everyone who honed their mastery to respect his dumbing down everyones acomplishments.

[@grassmonki]

Right behind my house was a old quary where people would rock climb in riverside

[@beewitha50cal]

Sounds like a bunch of whiney elitist egotists complaining to me.

[@olivercharles2930]

You must be deaf then.

[@chrisnoname2725]

You should talk to a professional about that.