HOW AN FRT-15 TRIGGER WORKS, AND WHY THE AFT HATES THEM

[@copper12heavy69]

For me the animation is everything. You could explain it to me for an hour but the animation makes it obvious in one minute. Thank you.

[@ludwigwitner6854]

The WOT uses a spring under the front edge of the trigger to push it forward. The FRT uses the back of the hammer to force the trigger forward. The only thing the same is the locking bar, but the locking bar return spring on the WOT is horizonal and can`t be crushed by the locking bar over travel unlike the FRT.

[@andrewholdaway813]

Rubbish

[@donalddoty5768]

ATF stands for Alcohol Tobacco and Firearms. That should not be the name of a government agency but it should be the name of the best store on the planet.

[@NOTSOSLIMJIM]

Don't forget explosives. That's fun as hell too!

[@jeffersondeleon925]

Sounds like they abandoned the alcohol and tobacco part and stuck to just firearms

[@Crimson_Nightshade]

​​​@@jeffersondeleon925They dumped Alcohol and Tobacco on the FDA

[@terryhsley3808]

I'm going to coin that phrase if I ever get enough money to open business cheaper than an Indian migrant. Those buckets get a better life as an immigrants than most of us will get ever. Do you want to frequent them?

[@SamSam-ih6nt]

On the frt, the green piece is the locking bar, which prevents hammer follow/dead trigger/light strike/out of bat detonation. The forced reset comes from the hammer contacting the THICK trigger. It's an amazing design.

[@CAPTIVEPULSEMAKER]

Forced reset function is done by a trigger spring. The positive displacement reset is a result of a hammer displacing a trigger. All standard triggers are forced reset, this is a positive displacement trigger reset.

[@andrewholdaway813]

@@CAPTIVEPULSEMAKER You are not helping the "not a machine gun" faction with this

[@CAPTIVEPULSEMAKER]

@@andrewholdaway813 I’m not sure exactly how you came to that, but I was the first person to classify these machines as I invented the science of positive displacement reset triggers.

[@andrewholdaway813]

@@CAPTIVEPULSEMAKER I came to that because your term 'positive displacement' just emphasises the single continuous press nature of operation. That's a machine gun.

[@CAPTIVEPULSEMAKER]

@@andrewholdaway813 then you’re not familiar with the technology. It is impossible to have a positive displacement reset trigger function as a machine gun it is inverse and opposite to a machine gun. Maybe read up on such machines.

[@roseblite6449]

Nice demonstration of the differences between the three. Appreciate it.

[@Andre_Thomasson]

I live in europe so this all is not that relevant to me but i must say I absolutely love the design of the FRT. Its just too simple and genius.

[@vinxsub4235]

1:45 Binary triggers are illegal in some states due to the wording of the machine gun rules. In Washington state it is illegal because they say a “gun that fires more than one bullet per tigger pull”. Binary shoots two making it a “machine gun” but federal definition says “one bullet per tigger action” making one bullet on the tigger pull and another on the release. Making it not a machine gun.

[@NOTSOSLIMJIM]

@vinxsub4235 even then, it's still one shot per pull. The second shot is on the release. That's just anti-gun politicians being dicks.

[@0penthaughtz]

The 3d models really helped me.

[@TonyC-pq7bp]

Wondering if you leave a firing pin fixed out in strike position will it shot every time gun cycles?

[@NOTSOSLIMJIM]

The AR15/M16 use a floating firing pin. I believe you are thinking of "slam fire" when the hammer rides the bolt home. You can have incidences of weapon malfunctioning and going "full auto" when the disconnector fails. Normally you will just get a dented primer as the firing pin is unable to strike the primer till the bolt is rotated once fully in battery. At that point, the majority of the inertia is already lost.

[@ElementofKindness]

This is why open bolt firearms are outlawed.

[@MarkGohlke-j7r]

Great explanation & Great graphics!!!!!

[@PoormansMachineGun]

ATF FEO Agent Smith wrote in the initial evaluation that " If the shooter maintains constant rearward pressure to the trigger, that single constant "pull" will continue the cycle of operation firing a subsequent projectile." He failed to mention that his single constant pull is interrupted by the trigger being force-ably reset (and locked) immediately after the cartridge is fired. There is a reason why the definition of a machine gun does NOT say "PULL" anywhere in the statute. Because not all firearms are discharged with only a "PULL" of the trigger. The Browning M2 50cal belt fed "machine gun" is fired by pressing the butterfly trigger while holding onto the spade grips. The M134 mini-gun is fired by pressing an electronic button. If anyone is indicted for possessing this FRT15 "machine gun" I would have my attorney file a motion to exclude any video of the FRT15 being fired in a rapid manner. ATF would likely use videos of a M16 being fired in comparison to the FRT15 to deliberately confuse member of the jury. ROF is not a factor in defining a machine gun. I would also have my attorney file a motion to exclude the use of the word "PULL" when describing the cycle of operation of a machine gun, and the FRT15, because the term "PULL" is no where in the statutory definition of a machine gun, and the action of pulling something is an attribute of the shooter not the trigger. (How does a door function? It opens and closes! A person is needed to push or pull the door to initiate that function) This case is win-able in civil court as long as Rare Breed gets to submit evidence. It is a slam dunk in criminal court!

[@NOTSOSLIMJIM]

They don't plan on actually winning a case. All they want it a few cases to take to court and put their full weight against someone without the financial resources to defend themselves. Once they defendant is unable to afford an adequate defense, they will make a plea bargain for a very small amount of jail time, felony charge, and a fine.

[@PoormansMachineGun]

@@NOTSOSLIMJIM All the more reason why gun owners should collectively fund ATF Overreach Insurance. In the event that ATF acts on their threats!

[@NOTSOSLIMJIM]

@@PoormansMachineGun I have insurance. Not everyone does....

[@NOTSOSLIMJIM]

@@PoormansMachineGun hey poorman, just subbed. Decent channel!

[@lilrobi45xxx42]

Good thing is that the case is going to be in criminal court cause he said he isn’t folding on the civil side

[@ElementofKindness]

Once this lawsuit is done, I'm getting all my ARs FRTs.

[@voodoo1449]

Why wait? By design AND the definition of "machine gun", it was and is legal. THE POWER OF THE PEOPLE IS STRONGER THAN THE PEOPLE IN POWER 🇺🇲 🏴‍☠️

[@davispinner6642]

Very informative. I've only heard triggers of concern were RB and WOT...but haven't heard anything about Alamo? I've read that they call the Alamo trigger a positive reset vs forced reset. Is this a matter of semantics or are they completely different?

[@NOTSOSLIMJIM]

The Alamo is the exact same type of trigger, just with a roller for the reset bar. Positive reset and forced reset are primarily the same thing. I believe the 3MR trigger is "positive reset* as it only resets the trigger most of the way, but you have to lift your finger the rest of the way before pulling again. The only difference between a forced reset and a semiautomatic is the semiautomatic you need to lift your finger for the trigger to reset. The FRT automatically resets the trigger for you allowing you to pull the trigger again without lifting.

[@JayquanDeMarcusWashington]

So how much force quantifies it? Wouldn't all guns with springs in the triggers fall under that ?

[@NOTSOSLIMJIM]

@SUBtrauma yes, all AR15 semiautomatic weapons do have springs to reset the trigger forward. We also have the 3MR trigger that resets the trigger about 90% of the way. The difference between a standard trigger spring, and a forced reset trigger is the ability to overpower the standard pull strength of a trigger pull. That being said, if you pull the trigger too hard on a forced reset trigger, it will cause it to malfunction.

[@unknown_1018]

I think the issue is that people are confusing the mechanical definition of a machine gun with it's capability to fire very quickly. Though it's pretty dumb not to classify it by it's actual capability to fire rapidly, at least in a civilian context.

[@andrewholdaway813]

@Leroy Griff I think _you've_ got problems.

[@andrewholdaway813]

@Leroy Griff Afraid of hoplites? Er no.

[@Khangbng]

If you define a machine gun based on the capability to fire rapidly then all semi-auto guns are machine gun. And that’s a No Bueno. Check out @jaegerz999 his finger is what makes the gun go rapid, not the gun mechanism.

[@carlos1750777]

What a simple ingenious device. Not a machine gun.

[@bradbarber4317]

Good job

[@aykutozyigit453]

Enlighten me please. If you keep pressing the FRT trigger does the gun keep firing? If so does the auto trigger. Does it stop firing when you release the trigger? If so does the auto trigger. I'm not a US citizen but this sounds like a trick to evade the full auto ban. The only difference between the two system is the mechanism that moves the trigger finger forward unintentionally. One press and release, one shot equals semi auto. One press keep pressing intentionally without releasing, multiple shots equals full auto. That's my understanding the case. If otherherwise let me know

[@NOTSOSLIMJIM]

You, much like many people, keep confusing the function of the finger and the function of the trigger. The legal definition of a machine gun has nothing to do with what the shooters finger does, as many machine guns do not even have triggers to pull. Rather, it says that the "trigger" must be depressed and the firearm continue to fire. An FRT does not function like that as you can see in the animation in the video.

[@abosworth]

Damn, the BATF is really reaching on this one. I love the videos where people are basically telling agents to fuck off, when they come knocking on doors, demanding people turn them in.

[@NOTSOSLIMJIM]

You should watch my video telling the police to F off when they demand me to the group for legally open carrying.

[@christophergroleau2432]

Are binary triggers legal without a tax stamp? Genuinely asking

[@NOTSOSLIMJIM]

@@christophergroleau2432 in most states. I know they are illegal in California. Because California.

[@jeroendesterke9739]

The way this is explained by mouth and via animation - it DOES become a selective fire system but the nomenclature is meant to deceive its true function. No wonder the ATF is nervous.

[@NOTSOSLIMJIM]

Unfortunately no. The legal definition says "Any weapon which shoots, is designed to shoot, or can be readily restored to shoot, automatically more than one shot without manual reloading, by a single function of the trigger." The single function of the trigger is the main portion pertinent to this. For the finger to pull back, be moved forward, than pull back again are all different functions.

[@Thelimabrief]

Beautiful Stetson got a spurs to go w em?

[@NOTSOSLIMJIM]

Both sets. The spur ride was BS, but it was mandatory in 1CD.

[@Thelimabrief]

@NOTSOSLIMJIM Yeah they usually push that stuff pretty hard

[@cattameme]

lol nice meme at the start

[@MarAwanaDISPOCO.]

Dopeness

[@tomcamp8426]

Come and take it

[@cattameme]

Can literally 3d Print these, already making a prototype.

[@NOTSOSLIMJIM]

And now we have the new safety hitting soon.

[@surplusdriller1]

3d printed copy of the FRT is on the internet. go have fun

[@NOTSOSLIMJIM]

Lol, I know what you are talking about.....😁

[@surplusdriller1]

@@NOTSOSLIMJIM ;) live free or die!

[@andrewholdaway813]

Should run great made of plastic.

[@surplusdriller1]

@@andrewholdaway813 it does

[@andrewholdaway813]

@@surplusdriller1 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@thatguybrian9781]

OH NO KEEP ME AWAY FROM THE FULL SEMI AUTOMATIC TRIGGER 30 CAL MACHINE GUN

[@CrawldaBeast]

Please don't think ill of me... All my guns are nonbinary.

[@NOTSOSLIMJIM]

Horrible....

[@MarAwanaDISPOCO.]

🐍

[@josephcremeans]

ATF doesn't have the authority to make laws.

[@NOTSOSLIMJIM]

And yet they make "rulings" that are treated as laws every year.

[@josephcremeans]

@@NOTSOSLIMJIM and that is the problem, to many people willing to roll over and dew what they are told by their masters. Instead of fighting for what is right.

[@dougaltman9148]

Glock trigger?

[@NOTSOSLIMJIM]

I mean, I can send you a link to a really good video?

[@chrismitchell45]

I guy was dialing one of these in at the Texas City muni range last week. I’m a member and a regular and known to shoot fast occasionally but this thing was running strings of 20 smoothly. Here’s the deal folks, even if it isn’t a full auto/select fire trigger, running what appears to be full auto will get the wrong kind of attention every time. The easiest way to avoid unwanted attention is to not run strings of 20-30 rounds…… I’m not justifying the unconstitutionality of the atf. F#$k those guys. The trigger DOES NOT fall under the NFA. I’m all for every American owning a select fire or 10.. What I’m saying is, don’t test fire your fake full auto trigger at the local range when the trigger is REALLY GOOD! 😂 The tallest nail will always get the hammer… God Bless Texas, remember the Alamo and Come and Tale it!

[@pcmacd]

The "AFT" is against this? I always thought The AFT was the back of the boat? Why would a boat care? I'm just sayin'... ...

[@TheMrwhite6199]

THE ATF OWNS RBT AND SB TACTICAL BRACES...... DO THE MATH FOLKS...

[@NOTSOSLIMJIM]

So, you believe the ATF (a government agency) owns the two private companies and produces firearms accessories.... Just to turn around and ban them?

[@TheMrwhite6199]

@@NOTSOSLIMJIM yes that's what I believe....when you think of pistol braces you think of sb tactical right....theres bern binary triggers on the market for awhile franklin armory and fostech.....the so called ban starts now with rare breed after for past 3 months they been pushing these triggers like crazy....atf has create hysteria to sell their products...other pistol braces have been on market for awhile know...thet sb tactical comes out and boom....when they talk ban what happens ...sales go way up then the ban talks die down then come up again.....THEY ARE ALL IN BED TOGETHER LAUGHING STRAIGHT TO THE BANK WITU OUR MONEY PLAYING OFF THE 2A COMMUNITY EMOTIONS.....THIS IS ABOUT MONEY...NOT BANNING OR SAFETY....THEY BAN 7N6 SO YOU CAN BUY MORE AMERICAN 556....NOT ALOT OF IMPORTED 556....PEOPLE STARTED REALIZING THAT 7.62X39 IS BETTER CARTRIDGE AND STAYED CHEAP .....NOW THEY BAN THAT SO YOU CAN BUY OVERPRICED 556 AGAIN ..NO THANKS

[@NOTSOSLIMJIM]

@@TheMrwhite6199 I'll agree I'm not happy with the practices of SB tactical. We also have to look at how many other companies make pistol braces. Even more so, pistol braces are perfectly legal. Rarebreed wasn't even the first company to make a self resetting trigger. Another company made one years ago that reset the trigger 90% of the way forward, which is still perfectly legal. It's more likely this is just the ATF trying to outlaw perfectly legal products because they don't like them.

[@TooManyChoices1]

@Survival of the fittest:: THAT WOULD BE ENTRAPMENT DEFINED… 🥴🤔😒

[@paullllehtx]

So you mean to tell me the ATF has been going to court and have been suing each other the past 2 years?! Let me guess, all the time and money wasted by both sides going to court is just part of the devious plan to get gun owners right? Wow, you're a sharp one aren't you? 🤦‍♂️😂

[@backyardbeesllc5691]

Remove the ATF

[@Darth_Adi]

Yay thanks for your contribution.

[@DrNo-uq7xx]

go pound sand aft

[@burnswhenipvp1337]

Seems pointless.Just ride the edge, you don't have to reset the trigger fully. All that is doing is making the pull longer. So in a way slower. Pull ur normal trigger, hold it, cock it, slowly release your trigger, when u feel it click that is the line you ride, not fully reset trigger. Longest trigger pull should be ur first shot, not every shot.

[@4thSurvivor1990]

last but not least, buy them to give a big F-U to the GayTF

[@tcantrell5301]

I no longer care I think that we should be applying reason to this this is an infringement on our capacity to be armed for no reason all gun laws are against the Constitution

[@NOTSOSLIMJIM]

You are talking to a guy who thinks we should be able to buy guns on Amazon with next day shipping, tax free, and no background check!

[@andrewholdaway813]

You want to be armed for no reason?

[@NOTSOSLIMJIM]

@@andrewholdaway813 yep...

[@andrewholdaway813]

@@NOTSOSLIMJIM Not talking to you; mocking Cantrell's grammar.

[@NOTSOSLIMJIM]

@@andrewholdaway813 hey, I can't poke in and have fun?

[@andrewholdaway813]

The key is in the very name of the trigger. _Forced_ Reset. The shooter does not release the trigger and pull again, the trigger is _forced_ to reset by overcoming the maintained pressure applied by the shooter. The trigger is not released and re-pulled. The shooter pulls the trigger and maintains pressure 'till they wish to cease firing. _it's a machine gun._

[@NOTSOSLIMJIM]

That's not the definition of a machine gun. A machine gun is "Any weapon which shoots, is designed to shoot, or can be readily restored to shoot, automatically more than one shot without manual reloading, by a single function of the trigger." The FRT is two actions, pull and reset, just like a semiautomatic. The only difference is the trigger resets automatically instead of the user having to reset it by releasing and it resetting itself with spring pressure. Literally not a machine gun.

[@andrewholdaway813]

@@NOTSOSLIMJIM That's the ATF regulation for a machine gun, not the definition.

[@andrewholdaway813]

@@NOTSOSLIMJIM Machine gun: an automatic gun that fires bullets in rapid succession for as long as the trigger is pressed.

[@andrewholdaway813]

@@NOTSOSLIMJIM The frt doesn't have two actions, you just pull and maintain pressure.

[@NOTSOSLIMJIM]

@@andrewholdaway813 I literally gave you the definition of a machine gun. You are using a generic definition. Even if you want to use the non legal one, you are still incorrect. Coming from someone with years of experience shooting machine guns, they are not the same. A machine gun you depress the trigger and the weapon continues to fire without the trigger being released or reset. The FRT resets on every round. The trigger goes forward and you pull it again. Even though the trigger pushes the finger forward, that doesn't thang the fact you must pull the trigger again. By your logic, all semiautomatic weapons are machine guns as they can be bump fired.

[@6Diego1Diego9]

it's clearly a machine gun you people are insane

[@NOTSOSLIMJIM]

How so?

[@TooManyChoices1]

@@NOTSOSLIMJIM “BecUse it shyoot fastly duh 🙄 !!” Lmao 🤣

[@vonster22]

@@TooManyChoices1 Because a gun is a machine.......DONT LET THE ATF SEE THIS

[@ElementofKindness]

Today I learned that wanting/owning/shooting a firearm at a rate of fire similar to an automatic weapon is somehow contributing to mental insanity.

[@rudyd1772]

If you’ve seen a demo of a forced reset trigger, it looks like regular old full auto. Stop kidding yourselves with these work arounds, they subvert the nfa in language but not in real world differences

[@NOTSOSLIMJIM]

@rudyd1772 I own multiple. I have also shot multiple full auto weapon systems after being in the military for a decade. Your idea that they are "basically the same" doesn't effect the legality of a product. That is the same as saying that any firearm capable of firing quickly is a full auto. I can fire most all of my semiautomatic firearms faster than an M3 submachine gun, M2 heavy machine gun, and multiple others. It's not the rate of fire, it's how the weapon operates.