How Artificial Intelligence is Reshaping Humanity - With Dr. Paula Boddington

Dr Boddington is the author of "Towards a Code of Ethics for Artificial Intelligence". She is currently a Senior Lecturer at the New College of the Humanities and has held academic positions at the University of Bristol, the Australian National University, Cardiff University, and Oxford University. She has received research awards from the Future of Life Institute, the National Institute of Health Research, and the Welcome Trust.
We discuss the ethical dilemmas of AI as well as the narratives which it engenders.
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[@joev.8543]

This channel has, more than once, reminded me that I am not alone.

[@gunsnhex5636]

You're definitely not! Keep on watching, learning and Jonathan is a bottom less resource,isn't he? Fantastic content!!!

[@TheDonovanMcCormick]

I’m glad to hear that because you certainly are not alone. God bless

[@bootstompify]

But are you conscious?

[@KENTUCKYUSA1]

@@bootstompify My dog says I am.

[@nicolesimonealexander4639]

You definitely aren't!

[@chrisc7265]

That point about how you can select 72 genders for yourself on facebook, but you can only be interested in 2 is fascinating. I mean, you'd think with the explosion of gender combinatorics there'd be an accompanying explosion of sexual preferences, but no. It shows how solipsistic the whole thing is. You can't be attracted to nonbinary people, because the concept does not even apply to the other. You don't "see" nonbinary people, you "be" a nonbinary person. You can't look through a lineup of humans and pick out the nonbinary ones. You, the subject, identify yourself as nonbinary, in an outward expression. That guy, the object, cannot be labeled nonbinary, because the concept does not apply to object, only subject.

[@csongorarpad4670]

Honestly. It can't even be called insanity... Theirs is a far too simplistic and ignorant (willfully so, a lot of the time) worldview. Wilful ignorance is a necessity for them since, any amount, no matter how little, of scrutiny is enough to shatter their entire concept of "reality" (delusion.)

[@superroydude]

This made me chuckle, it's a great observation. You can only "see" something in relation to yourself. There is no relating principle towards a "nonbinary" person only towards masculine and feminine. This is the main problem with identifying as nonbinary: what now? What role can you play in society? What does a non binary relationship look like? What is a nonbinary marriage, or family or friendship or parent? Because you've convoluted masculine and femininity in one person the only relating you do is with parts of yourself; rendering you infantile and emotionally unstable.

[@csongorarpad4670]

@@superroydude These "non-binary" people are just confused... The problem is simple: They think that, essentially, anything and everything is socially constructed. In my and likely your apprehension, as well, gender and sex are both biologically determined (as is also indicated by *muh science*) because gender doesn't vary independently to sex. Thus we understand that gender norms aren't the end-all be-all and that it is nothing of note when a man behaves more feminine than what the norm dictates and the same for women and their degree of normative, masculine expression. We simply used to just call feminine men, "tomgirls," and masculine women, "tomboys." There was no need to make it anymore complex than that and it were also in accordance with *science,* which we hadn't confirmed then, but have now. Which is another issue... Namely that, tradition is more often than not reflective of reality and have been re-affirmed by science, if anything, and not contradicted. But because of these "non-binary" people's beliefs, they think that if their gender expression (which they assume varies independently from sex) is different to what the norm is for their assigned gender (sex,) then they must be "something" else. Which opens (and have opened) a can of worms which we will never see an end to if we, as a society, don't come to grips with reality, meaning that; post-modernism and neo-marxism is *WRONG.*

[@DinoRamzi]

@@csongorarpad4670 Are they really confused or are they subject to the quasi-narcissistic temptation to be whatever they want? They cannot accept the reality of their situation or even the manner of their existence. Acceptance, humility and the subjugation of self are the keys to self-actualisation. Even Maslow acknowledged this in different words.

[@superroydude]

@@DinoRamzi I've been thinking about narcissism; what it means and how it's different from egotism. In the Greek story, from which the term is taken, Narcissus is born with great beauty. His parents are told by the seer that he will live a long life, so long as he does not come to know himself. Some mythical misadventures happen and sure enough he goes to a pool and gazes upon the most beautiful image. He falls in love but knows his love can never be requited. The burning passion ends his life (differently depending on the story). From the story i think the narciccist is someone who outwardly identifies with their internal images yet unconsciously is in love with them as if they are seperate. It is only when Narcissus becomes conscious of his distance from the image that the tragedy is complete. To the person spell bound, he isn't looking at his own reflection. He's looking at the source and feels that *he* is merely *its* reflection - I am nothing, the image has all the life and beauty. I dont believe the narcissist is wholly self centered; certainty on the outside but i think internally the person is unconsciouly infatuated by the image, they intuit that these images point beyond themselves - to their unattainable object of burning desire. Outside they think they are their internal images yet inside they are nothing but an observer of this living image. So they are torn between outward superiority and inward inferiority. I have sympathy for such people, but i also think it's likely not healthy and this narcissism could explain the high suicide rate.

[@oambitiousone7100]

“Not all changes are enhancements”

[@Tyler_W]

My exact same reaction to anyone raving about "progress." Progress toward what? We could be progressing toward the edge of a cliff. Just because it's "progress" doesn't make it good.

[@JAMESKOURTIDES]

There's a difference between hate speech and speech you hate.

[@BrettThomasOakleyMerritt]

WHATEVER I hate your speech

[@JAMESKOURTIDES]

@@BrettThomasOakleyMerritt don't lie you love it

[@BrettThomasOakleyMerritt]

@@JAMESKOURTIDES I have to apologize. I tried to make a joke.

[@JAMESKOURTIDES]

@@BrettThomasOakleyMerritt me to lol

[@DM_Curtis]

The difference is Power. Hate speech is speech the powerful hate.

[@sunbro6998]

Most people aren't conscious most of the time.

[@csongorarpad4670]

That is also a studied phenomenon. Only a minority of people conduct any form of deliberate "inner speech," may it be through an inner voice, images or other forms. Most of people are basically going on auto-pilot, not in "control" of their actions, so to speak, as one who truly is conscious, is.

[@johnbuckner2828]

@@csongorarpad4670 Kind of hope you're wrong, though I've had my own suspicions... Dangerous way of thinking because NPCs could be thought of as lacking intrinsic value. Better to believe we are all players, some just temporarily dreamy; digging deeper into subjective interiority to escape the pain of everyday survival. Questing for the bed of roses. ❤️🌹

[@csongorarpad4670]

@@johnbuckner2828 I am aware of that danger. Certainly, there's people who use this fact to motivate hateful and dehumanizing concepts. Which is preposterous since, it is in contradiction to people's intrinsic value. The fact that there exists "NPC's" so-to-speak, is not mutually exclusive to their intrinsic value. It's similar to the IQ-statistics between ethnic groups. Some people use it to motivate a racist and dehumanizing agenda, but that doesn't mean that IQ is racist, in of itself. It's just a fact of life that we have to contend with and not let it cloud our judgement and diminish the intrinsic value of each other.

[@SpecOpsCM]

@@csongorarpad4670 this would probably take too long to get into, but what you bring up is very interesting to me. I went through a period of my life where I took copious amounts of psychedelics. LSD and mushrooms mainly. I had a certain awakening in myself from that very moment. It shifted my reality. Made me realize how fragile our egos can be when put under any existential stress. I’m not advocating for these experiences, but without them I may have never seen outside platos cave in which most people spend their lives. I’m not enlightened or anything like that. I’m just simply more aware of the world as it is. Coincidentally, I discovered someone named JP during my exploration, and it was partly through watching his lectures that I didn’t go completely mad from interacting with the numinous. Basically, I think our conscious being, the you that you think is you, will expand based on how close in line with logos. Communion with logos draws out lessons learned by our ancestors through genetic code. It awakens the deep self. We could not hold a conscience if it were not given to us by God, so I think it holds up.

[@csongorarpad4670]

@@SpecOpsCM Happy to see that you were able to derive wisdom from such experiences and after dabbling with psychedelics. I've no personal experience with them, but I know enough to be both eternally intrigued and equally as terrified of them. By the way, when you mention "JP," do you mean Jordan Peterson? I have to ask since we're commenting under a video of Jonathan Pageau, who could also be shortened to and referred to as "JP." Jordan Peterson had a similar effect on myself and continue to, though not as remarkable and extreme as before, when I was in need of it the most and (I think) made it through the worst part, of that specific journey.

[@Countcordeaux]

"Thou shalt not make a machine in the likeness of a human mind"

[@misterkefir]

I would love it if Dune's futuro traditionalism would await us.. not this technocratic nightmare that we are looking at now..

[@jarlnicholl1478]

@@misterkefir How's your Begoming Duganist going?

[@sonofclay]

I really hope this doesn't lead to a Butlerian you-know-what. 😬🏹☄🦾🤖🔥

[@misterkefir]

@@jarlnicholl1478 Progress at a healthy and steady 0%. Thanks for asking.

[@jdg9999]

Archaeo futurism

[@mosesgarcia9443]

THE ABOLITION OF MAN by C. S. Lewis.... Most important book of our times.... Thank you. I just started your brother's book.......WOW....😲🤣🙏🏽

[@marklefebvre5758]

Brilliant summary of the main problems with AI and the machines in general. Some of these conceptions are really smart and dead on (if a bit scary). What struck me here is this idea that seems to be prevalent which leads to the concept of computers being important to begin with. We seem to be caught up in this narrative that more information is better (which has had 'if we filter it properly' added recently) or even the most important thing. Apparently this concept is something like the path to certainty by having determinate knowledge of the world. This concept of certainty being important is really dangerous - this creates a closed world view. There is no room in certainty (or efficiency, interestingly enough) for possibility or potential to enter the picture. Without those things, the world is a zero-sum game (socialism makes total sense here) where equality can exist. The idea that the technology allows us to focus means that it looks at details, but not all details are relevant and not all levels of detail analysis are appropriate for any given problem you are trying to solve. Then again, maybe you shouldn't be solving problems, but creating systems to deal with them or growing bigger than they are. If your world view doesn't include participation and a pattern based knowledge of reality, then you'll describe everything in it in terms of propositions and procedures. This will cause you to be stuck, treat people like propositions and ethics like procedures which can be implemented and applied to all propositions, ignoring the is/ought dilemma. Love this conception of the paradox of a system that uses emotions to hijack attention also believes that emotions are a problem. Then again, emotions are not propositions or procedures, so it is understandable that they have to be excluded in this closed world. Emotions enable all kinds of potential by breaking down closed systems and allowing us to push against the boundaries to find proper contrast in the world. I think the priestly class of intellectuals (as they have before) are trying to control things by becoming their own principality. This is evident in their continued march to announce that they can solve problems using their particular form of 'magic' called computers. Despite, it seems, the fact that they never thought about what those problems were (zero problem definition before declaration) or how they would solve them. It is a special type of arrogance which should always be taken really seriously. Thanks for this great discussion, everyone should see this, it contains a treasure trove of insights which can really illuminate the problems facing our society, not just in the computer space itself.

[@jaysphilosophy1951]

Greed will destroy us all.

[@MrMarccj]

"A priestly cast of halfwits". Perfect.

[@DavidRemington]

Amazing talk! Have her on again and talk about anything; the weather, favourite meals, the symbolism of shoes, whatever! LET'S GOOOOOOO

[@elkwoodarrow]

This Dr. is on that 1.25x speed.

[@trinaforbes4641]

😂 If only my brain worked that fast!

[@GerryBlue]

I just started watching the video and went to check the speed

[@bromisovalum8417]

She's nervous, I know how that is. She wants to talk at the speed of her thoughts. Still the content is very interesting.

[@marcusking4365]

I had to slow it down to .75 to understand her - lol

[@theauntless]

I've been getting in the habit of watching really long videos on 1.5x speed, but I couldn't understand the woman because her normal speed is already so fast 😅

[@ZenaTheShark]

Please Jonathan Pageau do an explanation of the symbolism of the game "Blasphemous", developed by Spanish studio The Game Kitchen

[@thomaskilroy3199]

Beautiful game

[@traviswadezinn]

very important conversation - thanks for having it!

[@Stefftronic]

It all comes down to if the machine will serve us or if we will serve the machine, and as we all know the machine rules the world but not the universe so keep your spirit high, we will prevail following the supreme being.

[@jungatheart6359]

Quite sad to have to say this, but it's reassuring to see Oxbridge humanities departments still contain genuine scholars of the calibre of Dr Boddington. A really engaging and thought-provoking conversation.

[@siowat7911]

Thanks for this excellent conversation. She is very like me, in her interests. I would love to see a follow up conversation and hear her many questions and your, insightful answers. Thanks again and may Yahweh bless you both.

[@symbolicmemez]

Jonathan started with a static 2d intro, then we got animated 2d, now it's animated 3d. What's next? VR? 😎

[@randallb.7180]

That sounds fun!

[@TheDonovanMcCormick]

We become the intro because participation is paramount as Jonathan likes to remind us lol

[@Joefrenomics]

Holy shit! I just googled “straight couples” like Jonathan said. Almost all the images and articles are about homosexuality.

[@ja_aq.ov_]

The only time you need to specify "straight" is when you're speaking their language. Stick to "couples" and you'll be fine (not fine: it's mostly click-bait, but that's standard online)

[@Joefrenomics]

@@ja_aq.ov_ Ah, you’re correct. I just tried what you said.

[@chrisc7265]

the biggest alpha move about this, is that it started as a subtle bit of propaganda, but it's been public knowledge for years now, and they haven't changed it it's like you walk downstairs and Jack Dorsey has his hand in your cookie jar, but when he sees you he just makes eye contact and slowly continues to eat your cookies

[@trucid2]

Same thing if you mention race in your search query. Try searching for 'white couple'.

[@PJVerh0ef]

More scarier: try 'happy white women'. And click images.

[@rolo8966]

Fascinating conversation. Thank you both. God bless.

[@johnmadany9829]

I am hoping that people feel the exuberance of freedom when lockdowns end. That they run out into the “pasture“ kicking their heels.

[@GITAHxgCoo]

If people loved freedom enough to feel that way they wouldn't tolerate lockdowns in the first place.

[@Tyler_W]

Enjky it while it lasts. It's only a matter of time before we get hammered with inflation (worse than we already have) and face the inevitable complete currency collapse. Nobody will be skipping through fields then. Perhaps we can use precious metal currencies or cryptos as a safe haven from the dollar collapse (maybe those who invest properly can preserve some of their savings while everyone else's is depleted and devalued to $0), but governments will try to impose their own "official" digital currencies which would completely monitor and control economic transactions. If it's not quite a kind of "mark of the beast" where they can just turn off your ability to buy and sell and completely strip you of financial assets with the press of a button for not following the company line, it's really close. The bright side is that I'm not sure a lot of people would even wamt to use these government digital currencies in the first place since the appeal of cryptocurrencies, at least in concept, was ti avoid government control and centralization in the first place.

[@GITAHxgCoo]

Content moderation appeals to authoritarian personalities

[@ChaseyBearMagnanimity]

"You can't impose an ethical system on AI." The classic laws for being a good robot proposed by Asimov in his robot series...I, Robot, come to mind. And I remember hoping that could be possible, if only I could follow the same rules.

[@JaredandTasha]

Amazing conversation

[@MrS-pe6sd]

Yes. AI is being specifically designed to manipulate our humanity to be used against us. That’s problematic

[@Tyler_W]

These technocratic oligarchs are a bunch of misanthropes who would engineer the collapse of civilization and the widespread depletion of the human population in the name of "saving the earth." Supposedly, they do it at the behest of beings they contact during psychedelic drig trips who promise them eternal life through artificial intelligence and transhumanism. They'll allegedly transcend human, fleshy mortality and go to the stars while we "useless eaters" die in our squalor and the catastrophes of their own making that we deserve because we didn't have the wit and wherewithal to stop them from dominating, enslaving and killing us.

[@alejandrogarciagraham578]

Dr. Paula is awesome

[@dwifred472]

“The currency of attention”... thats a great point.

[@colfaxmcilroy5973]

This discussion has so much wisdom in it. I have long thought that the trust we place in AI will doom us far sooner than the Terminator or Matrix style AIs that we like to imagine. Politicians can scapegoat corrupt actions on AI decisions, and dissent could be shamed as being “against the science.” We are already seeing it now, but it could be even worse with the opacity of an AI to hide behind.

[@deborahrobertson8606]

Absolutely fascinating conversation addressing one of the great issues of our time - Humanity v AI. This felt like the prologue to further discussions, as it set of so many paths of thought. I do hope that you have Dr Boddington on again. Thank you and more please !!

[@ChristianHada]

Jonathan can you make a video on the symbolism of cults? More specifically religious cults?

[@SpecOpsCM]

Kids don’t actually know that they don’t prefer digital communication. High school students suicide rates have been skyrocketing in COVID time.

[@sdrc92126]

Computability theory, a system of data-manipulation rules (wikipedia) is rule based. The output depends on the input and will always identical for the same inputs. A computer program will always give the same answer, 100% deterministic, no free will.

[@einarabelc5]

You obviously don't know modern computing...

[@sdrc92126]

@@einarabelc5 True. I used to design CPU hardware and some OS support. What's changed? I only peripherally keep up with the tech, but have not read about anything revolutionary. Still state machines I'm assuming?

[@GITAHxgCoo]

There's a powerful argument the same is true of human beings but it doesn't make any difference because time is a one-off.

[@sennewam]

1:04:41 "...There are higher goals and there are lower goals. And so the world -- the materialist world -- it's a lower world. It's a world of whims and desires and pleasures and pain. Whereas virtue and 'the Good,' let's say in a Christian sense or a Platonic sense -- that's the goal. That's the actual goal of reality. And, not only is it the goal of reality but it is also the Achilles heel of artificial intelligence. Because what it's farming from people is not information, it's The Good. It's farming Quality. The capacity to recognize quality and to engage in quality."

[@sennewam]

The irony is Satan's Modus Operandi is his inability to appreciate the Quality of God. So it's farming only to generate Hell: a place where everything has the quality of strangeness. The quality of Artificiality.

[@fr.hughmackenzie5900]

@@sennewam Key questions they didn't get close to answering: What is it about appreciating The Good and quality that is so different from appreciating food with pleasure? How do we know AI is not doing both, like us? In fact they prescinded from answering the latter by affirming that we can't know someone else is conscious!

[@csongorarpad4670]

@@fr.hughmackenzie5900 Do you mean to say that you, yourself, do not know the difference between "goodness" and "pleasure"? Do you think and recognize, that these are two completely different concepts, not only in name, but also in experience? In short; the answer to your question is (lived) experience.

[@fr.hughmackenzie5900]

@@csongorarpad4670 I do, but subjective "lived experience" is not enough to clinch it rationally. Jonathan places goals upon a “Platonic”, quasi-pantheistic pyramid/hierarchy with the Good at the top. There is no way to exclude mathematical AI from that. He cannot establish the qualitative distinction between man and machine without the clear distinction of spirit and matter.

[@csongorarpad4670]

@@fr.hughmackenzie5900 Well... I can't answer that. I wouldn't know how to even begin or to even assume that it would be possible to have a clear distinction of spirit and matter. How could that possibly be done, by either you or I or Mr. Pageau, since we can't separate ourselves from spirit and matter and thus wouldn't be able to communicate such an idea to one another (assuming that one could arrive at a clear distinction.) Symbolic and metaphorical language is the limit, accepted through the aforementioned "lived experience." "Goodness" is not necessarily rational, if anything, it is the opposite. What's "Good" is known, through experience, may it be directly or inderectly. Though, it is possible that I am biased and conflating my vivid imagination as the "experienced" proof for what's "Good." But again... I truly do believe that Good exists and that it can be known.

[@annawray2220]

Brilliant conversation thank you!!

[@4comment0nly76]

no lockdown without the internet? lol the irony!

[@johnlynch-kv8mz]

12:15 have you ever been around someone who made you uncomfortable? Have you ever felt the same way around a boulder?

[@ChaseyBearMagnanimity]

@26:00 One of the most important points made in this whole discussion--that of what we transmit and receive electrically is key to understanding the biology-virology of exezomic communications. We are, afterall, transmitting utilities.

[@KENTUCKYUSA1]

YES, I want to hear Dr. Paula ask questions of Jonathan. That would be fascinating!!!

[@2biicoachingformndkarlotto317]

Funny how were supposed to think they are looking at eachother when in reality they are looking at you.

[@olerocker3470]

I haven't watched all of this yet though I plan to watch the rest of it tomorrow. What I have watched made me think of many things. I think and understand a lot in analogy and what you were discussing in the first 25 minutes made me think of how even Big Tech is enslaved by its own AI. Very similar to how the driving force to create the monster or superhuman began and ultimately enslaved the very creator, Dr. Frankenstein (especially if you use the book rendition as the much better analogy).

[@paulmichaud7565]

Excellent discussion. I think you just scratched the surface. Well worth a return visit, if you can arrange it. Thanks so much.

[@sdrc92126]

AI is the new word for software. In simpler terms, can ultimately be reduced to a flow chart.

[@prboddington]

Well that is true for much of it; one of the issues is what precisely we call AI and this question will likely always be in dispute. But with machine learning you generally have the problem of translating what it's doing into something that humans can understand. And, as you doubtless realise, there are some things in life that don't lend themselves very much to flow charts. On the other hand, sometimes looking closely at precisely what AI is doing can lead to some insights. The devil is in the detail of the AI and its context of application.

[@sdrc92126]

Machine learning is about finding patters in sets of data, I think this was previously called Big Data. Like people who buy chips and pop together are 22% more likely to buy hot dog, but even more obscure relationships that most people would not guess. This is the reason for grocer store 'membership cards'. Search for "nyt target shopping habits". The math and software to make his work is straight forward and people understand it well. What is not understood is the emergence aspects and probably never will.

[@carpedei_]

I had to speed down this video to 0.5x. Interesting talking!

[@alom_]

I thought it was on 2x

[@MrGinger333]

At .75 she talks at a normal pace.

[@clydecarson9391]

Wow. The discussion was all over the place. I liked it but the problem as touched on by the professor is the enlightenment presuppositions as the background for ethics.

[@ericzarahn9343]

Yes, the presupposition of neutrality.

[@Eudamonia-123]

Excellent and thought provoking. I sincerely appreciate the Christian perspective and overlay. 😊

[@sennewam]

1:09:10 "...we can also use it to good" I strongly disagree. All rings of power lead back to Sauron.

[@DM_Curtis]

"It has no other master!"

[@jagpro91]

"There is only one lord of the rings. Only one. And he does not share power!"

[@setiem13]

If I made my own ring then?

[@notavictim2007]

Bro you’re really stepping up your thumbnail game 🔥

[@JAMESKOURTIDES]

Quantity when pushed to a certain limit flips or shifts qualitatively. A simple example is the increased temperature of liquid water at some very real limit turns to steam. Wonder what this qualitative shift will or already looks like in terms of attention?

[@samuelglenn123]

Hmm interesting.

[@CallofWar5]

Difference between concentration vs adhd jumping around to different topics. More intense focus (quality of attention) allows one to perceive more of the essence of any given thing.

[@alexanderfreeman2480]

"Quantity has a quality all its own." -- Napoleon Bonaparte

[@tylergrove]

Your are very insightful sir

[@johnlynch-kv8mz]

25:24 it’s an edited abridged presentation of self.

[@astrixx]

Dude this is fascinating. Especially seeing how Jonathan ties like these ancient concepts to AI. Everybody running around just re-instantiating old patterns.

[@johnlynch-kv8mz]

4:02’This I’m finding out about right now.

[@necksugar]

This is a great interview

[@johnlynch-kv8mz]

26:48 yes

[@hunivan7672]

Bugmen: You have to prove that God exists or I have no reason to believe Also Bugmen: AI IS TOTALLY REAL AND IT'S TOTALLY GOING TO HAPPEN! NO I DON'T HAVE TO PROVE THAT IT'S POSSIBLE! SCIENCE SAYS AI IS REAL!

[@hunivan7672]

@@timonp3412 Prove to me that TRUE AI exists. Pro tip: you can't. No I won't accept that automatically opening door as AI.

[@jagpro91]

@@timonp3412 Algorithms doing what they're programmed to do is not even remotely the same as a machine thinking and acting autonomously.

[@hunivan7672]

@@timonp3412 Yeah I don't care about YOUR definition of AI, I care about MY definition of AI.

[@setiem13]

Maybe this is going to be the next topic when the two speak again, she said that she have a lot of questions to ask to Jonathan tho.

[@csongorarpad4670]

@@timonp3412 "wikipedia" "official" > Choose one.

[@michaeltsegaye4630]

Club house is the new audio chat plat form. Good work Jonathan, keep up.

[@csongorarpad4670]

Is there an answer to whether or not we are projecting our sense of consciousness (unconsciously and undeliberately so) on AI? What I mean is that we, as conscious beings, may mistake the AI to have consciousness or any semblance (and semblance is the key-word) of it. Consciousness and however it works may be assumed as a given, by people, and thus when *something* manifests a pattern, which we recognize, (like how we assume we can relate to animals and vice-versa (which on an un-related note, is the reason, I think, why vegetarianism and veganism exists,) we act in the same assumed (correct) manner that other people are also conscious and then mistakenly (though I can't know entirely for sure) assume that, in this example, AI are conscious. As you may infer by comment; I am much too ignorant and un-informed. I would greatly appreciate any thoughts or guide provided, to further understand this subject (and the threat?) it entails. PS: AI, regardless of its semblance of consciousness, is clearly a threat to individuals, society, civilization and mankind, as a whole. This, I, understand.

[@freed.man.1]

There is research being done on unsupervised machine learning, which is basically machine learning algos that don't require human labelling. But obviously its not as good as supervised learning, yet.

[@KENTUCKYUSA1]

The current crop of high caste technocrats reminds me of the capricious and insane ancient gods. Great interview, by the way. I enjoyed your interaction. This was fun as well as informative.

[@johnbuckner2828]

You have a high social credit score Jonathan.

[@PerilousXPrep]

Very interesting discussion! New sub here.

[@kwan7278]

Terrific, and terrifying, conversation! Well done!

[@johnlynch-kv8mz]

15:36 it is entirely possible to construct a platform to house an artificial mind, aware of it’s, what? self, being, construct? Whatever it will be it will be precise in it communications.

[@lukecronquist6003]

Please do a vid on the apocalypse

[@lauragiles5193]

Farming intelligence. Scary. Also what about the dignity of work? And BTW, leisure actually won't exist without work.

[@GITAHxgCoo]

All the dignified jobs have been taken by mexicans.

[@1214gooner]

The telos of technology is transcendence. Transcendence has as its object, a vanishing horizon, and the movement towards acquisition of such is Evolution, or at least its appearance. Human obsolescence is a natural phenomenon of technological evolution, and it will gradationally augment until it is fully actualized. Humanity is currently churning in a metaphysical tornado that is swirling with transformational implications regarding the most fundamental aspects of our existence. Technology is the most powerful tool of gnostic passion, and it is definitively gnostic because the ambition is Apotheosis. Without a metaphysical grounding, prognostications regarding Nature’s merits is ultimately irrelevant, because Ideality (Ambition’s object) persists regardless. Like Thanos says, “I am inevitable.” Sin is gravity. Ambition’s greatest secret is that if it is not subordinated to Love, it will subordinate to Avarice-the difference between Theosis and Apotheosis, which are the two apexes-because Ambition is oriented to acquisition in perpetuity. We must deal with the first principles, or prepare to be washed away by the tides of our own, perennially pathological desires.

[@matthewpowell4949]

You may not be aware that reCapta for enabling access to a site by a human and not a robot, is itself a form of mining where an AI in the background is being trained by your choices as to whether in fact a given image has a traffic light, or a truck, or a street sign. The underlying system suspects it, and we confirm it, which in fact trains the AI to better suspect with more certainty next time. There are other examples of inadvertent involvement by people in the training of such systems.

[@dmitrypetrouk8924]

It's more like reCaptcha already has means to discern good answers from bad so pictures are already marked. Otherwise how it would work if you are the one who tell where there is traffic light, or a truck or a street sign?

[@matthewpowell4949]

@@dmitrypetrouk8924 yes I believe it 'suspects' some content, and then uses humans to confirm its suspicion, so it essentially can gain confidence in its own similar suspicions like this in the future. If you have 500 different humans clicking on an image that you thought did not include a traffic light, you have something to learn. If you have 500 different humans clicking on an image that you have 49 percent suspicion has a traffic light, that can now tell you that your suspicions in instances like this might be afforded more confidence.

[@johnlynch-kv8mz]

33:48’we’re being treated as currency…

[@greggeverman5578]

2nd listen and enjoyed just as much! This one was a blast!

[@nobodyhere9258]

I recently seen video of robot with just arms attack a man working near by 😢

[@ericzarahn9343]

@37:34 Intelligence and energy are not unrelated things in the materialist worldview. Intelligence has a quantifiable energetic cost (e.g., Maxwell's Demon).

[@unleasheth]

Goodness is her voice sped up or sometbing, yours is fine

[@TheDonovanMcCormick]

I know someone who talks like this, it’s almost like a stutter that causes him to get stuck on some words and then after he gets past that word the rest of the sentence just bombards you in order to catch up to the thought 😂 it’s almost like a online lag where you get the random pause and then the fast forward to get back on time

[@unleasheth]

@@TheDonovanMcCormick yeah lol its trippin me out. It sounds like her voice is on 1.25x speed. For real. But his is fine

[@prboddington]

Sorry about that, my brain got caught out trying to think of too many things at once, and listen to Jonathan. I am not normally quite so bad!

[@benjaminlquinlan8702]

A priestly caste motivated soully by the self perpetuating profit margin

[@PJVerh0ef]

As an AI application expert, I've shared this in my network as 'Everything you always wanted to know about AI, but forgot to ask'. In the first 15 minutes there's more wisdom than in the entire book Super Intelligence by Bostrom.

[@koczisek]

This lady is a rotary word gun! :) I hide behind my backrest and rewind like 3x per subject to make something out of it.

[@faithhopecharity2843]

43:47 Jonathan's surprised face. Lol.

[@RockAristote]

I wish to have your opinion on the revolutionary phenotype

[@catrionanicthamhais]

20 minutes in. Have to step away until later, but already it's, hoLEE this is so brilliant... and often truly hilarious. Well done and thanks so much to you both.

[@Murdernadofdeth]

Excellent conversation

[@nathandoan6223]

What a wonderful conversation. Thank you Jonathan and Dr. Boddington!

[@johnlynch-kv8mz]

29:59 it’s still a deception . It’s not genuine, but it does count for something. It shows us something about our selves, species.

[@ReynaSingh]

Really interesting conversation 🙏

[@zorba3693]

I would like to hear her questions . Soon ,I hope ...

[@amyannwowk2922]

Thank you! We look forward to hearing from you again. After listening, I was inspired to share this distopian Book with you: ICON: a novel, by Georgia Briggs, an Orthodox Christian, 2017.

[@alexanderfreeman2480]

Don't forget to leave a like on this video!

[@Xanaseb]

I see what you did there

[@PattiFisher-ik3re]

The more I hear, see and feel .. The more I'm relieved that the Holy Bible is the only True North and Reality is the Truth, The Christ of God and we've seen the enemy and it is us

[@johnlynch-kv8mz]

15:19 it’s still subject to the word of G-d

[@TheDonovanMcCormick]

Look at Jonathan with that new intro and almost 100k subs. 🔥 Joe Rogan does have a bizarre obsession with chimps and how strong and violent they are. Had to slow this down sometimes to understand what she’s saying with the breakneck speed of her speech, she’s the antithesis of Michael Heiser 😂

[@prboddington]

so sorry to speak so fast! I was so conscious of how much there is to explain, and it's one of those fields where to explain one thing you have to explain everything at once ... my fault for trying to cram too much in!

[@johnlynch-kv8mz]

20:33 is called twitter.

[@AprendeMovimiento]

This is the age of the Holy Spirit, the devil will have much more power in dividing us through AI and Technology, but the bonding capabilities of the Holy Spirit will show in an even greater form than ever before. We are in a time of entropy, very fast moving away from the center, but the wings of the Holy Bird will flap everything back to the center and let all the useless things go away eternaly into oblivion, Christ will come! ❤️❤️❤️ Keep your hearts with the hearts of Jesus, Saint Mary and Saint Joseph. You will be fine.

[@lauragiles5193]

1:01 Nice hopeful comment Dr. Paula

[@lmc4964]

Scott Adams has been saying that the AI is sort of in charge now, all news is algorithm driven so basically all human input into the news has to follow the AI lead or what gets the most likes etc. and the AI "knows" how to drive people crazy

[@jonahbert111]

Who is to say that the Universe is a product of AI, of some advanced form? IS AI being used now, by humans, to design advanced computer games? Is this the start of a new Simulation?

[@chrisc7265]

bahaha, I literally heard Joe Rogan saying "they'll tear your balls right off" at 9:50, then Jonathan chimes in right on cue

[@ardaorhan]

The soul is the conscience of sentience. A soul can be bestowed only by the Omnissiah. The Soulless sentience is the enemy of all life.

[@jarlnicholl1478]

Now get Nick Land to talk with you.

[@almondtree]

The genie and the wish. I think this was the theme of the new wonder woman movie that just came out

[@heathersmith6305]

AI is the consequence of man's sole awareness and workings being in the outside material world, while remaining oblivious to the workings of his own inner machine. If you're looking inward, AI shouldn't be much of an issue. This is a materialist issue

[@ja_aq.ov_]

Are we outside that material world? AI is as real as a weapon, a medicine, or a holy book. It exists, and we live in the world with it: why can't it be "much of an issue"?

[@heathersmith6305]

@@ja_aq.ov_ A question is a 'quest for knowledge'.Some people are 'unintelligent' because they ask the wrong questions. Seeking knowledge that is not relevant or beneficial to the seeker, is a 'fool's errand.' Answers or 'goods' procured from such quests is 'fool's gold' as it has no applicable/practical use or value. ASK BETTER QUESTIONS

[@ja_aq.ov_]

@@heathersmith6305 those were simply Socratic questions, don't worry. Charity and warfare are both very material and both very important. We aren't just souls: we have a here-ness that is ethically and spiritually meaningful.

[@heathersmith6305]

@@ja_aq.ov_ Sure, as you say " We aren't just souls. we have a here-ness that is ethically and spiritually meaningful", as long as it is focused and spent on the right things. Charity can be material, but it begins in the spiritual/heavenly realm as the love for fellow humans.. as with warfare .. the better you know these inner workings and are in touch with the spiritual and heavenly the more meaningful and intentional your acts and works are in the material and the less likely you are to be caught up in frivolous snares, such as worry.

[@ja_aq.ov_]

@@heathersmith6305 certainly! That engagement with the heavens is crucial! All I'm saying is that without work in the material world, that charitable initiative lays dormant. To manifest the spirit, we may work with weeds for the sake of a garden. That we are (genuinely) concerned with material problems signifies our interest in a higher purpose. For that purpose to be good, we beseech the Almighty

[@thomaskilroy3199]

The way in which ethics diverge in the construction of AI is reminiscent of the Babel myth. When trying to build perfection, improvement upon humanity, we will stretch ourselves to the ends of the earth pursuing the ‘right’ way of speaking about the world and acting in it, such that we never get anything done because there’s too much to consider. This is rather similar to the idea of the building towards heaven becoming sabotaged by language barriers. More generally we fail to convene over questions of absolute or at least deep meaning, such that something as profound as AI is simply beyond our capacity for concerted dialogue. In this light it seems inevitable that should AI be built it should be at the hands of a self-elected ‘priestly caste’ and done in an authoritarian manner. The power of it is too tempting for us to wait out our lives for the world to come to agree on its successor.

[@hiervi]

Real like. Great convo.