How Attack on Titan's Eren & One Piece's Luffy Define Freedom: A Deep Dive

Today I'll be discussing the two most famous anime characters that represent freedom.
These two fandoms have always been at odds with each other so lets try to see what both of these characters mean to so many people and possibly who represents freedom the best.
These two characters are extremely different in the way they present themselves and how ultimately the show revolves around these two contrast the way they represent freedom.
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[@jackiechanpokemonfan]

As soon as AoT ended this comparison came to mind. All his life Eren has been fighting/seeking freedom, while Luffy is free himself, fighting to keep that freedom. We can also see the difference in the shows tones completely demonstrated by their protagonists, two sides of the same coin, yet both very uniquely themselves. Very well said!

[@matedll1816]

My question is how did you think if writing this, nothing every comes to my empty mind...

[@aniverse_574]

Bruh Aot's take on it is wayy deeper Luffy is saved by God like powers like gear 5 And revolutionary army While Eren's situation is wayy harder as humans will keep hating eldians And its about their existence

[@adibahmed10]

@@matedll1816 I totally get that, I'm sometimes too stupid for abstract thought myself. But that's the thing, these kinds of thoughts pop into our heads when dots are connected. And I'm assuming the commenter had some dots connected while watching AoT. It happens almost randomly. There are plenty of people who don't have that ability and just observe information plainly as it is presented, and nothing more. But some people connect dots on an abstract level, especially after learning more about background concepts of stories. In this case, it's the background concept of freedom that's present in both One Piece and AoT. Connecting those dots may require some deep "how do I recognize freedom when I see it" analysis.

[@SankhaSubhraBakshiexists]

What Isayama was trying to tell is "Life is full of sufferings but we are free to choose the suffering that makes life meaningful for us."

[@vojtechspinler6363]

Plus "The life is cruel, but also very beautiful"

[@justsomeguy6336]

No what he was really saying is that the universe is determined and there’s no free will.

[@emre2658]

@@justsomeguy6336 I don't think so, whenever I watch the scene with eren and mikasa running away together to a wooden cabin on the mountains, I interpret it as it was an equally probable scenario that could have happened if eren or mikasa actually took action

[@lynesaurus]

Eren's freedom was shown with the boy at the epilogue. He's able to discover a vast mysterious world with his companion and there was no one to stop him. I think this was originally what the ocean represented to Eren and Armin.

[@jackrichardson9863]

If I had to pinpoint a fundamental difference between their viewpoints on freedom, it would be that Luffy believes he is already free and simply seeks the title of Pirate King to reaffirm that fact while Eren believes (rightly) that he is NOT free and that the world is conspiring to keep him from being free.

[@MagiaBased]

In the end Erens message is if you want to be free kys

[@imfurea]

real

[@srinivasdattatreya475]

Also in one piece, the freedom is also, the freedom of choice. bcoz ultimately its one's own choice that affects their character and the people around them. best example being arlong and jimbei from one piece.

[@rajashiyam1386]

I want to be like Luffy, but really, that kind of journey is like a state, because we have to fulfill all the responsibility and then start the journey like him

[@aniverse_574]

Luffy's journey is very cartoonish and impossible to achieve in real life Like the whole power system Luffy can become the strongest and stay away from the world with his crew and the government would try to avoid fighting with him But you can't as one can't be that stronger , our lives will affected by politicians or our enemy country And moreover luffy and his crew have an insane plot armour They are saved by God like powers like gear 5 and revolutionary army 🪖

[@OfficialEdwardNewgate]

@@aniverse_574 Wow you do NOT understand Luffy at all LMAO

[@aniverse_574]

@@OfficialEdwardNewgate there isn't much to understand

[@adibahmed10]

​@@aniverse_574 True, the concept of freedom in One Piece shouldn't be taken literally, but metaphorically. But at the same time, you're wrong that there isn't much to understand about Luffy. There are a lot of things to understand about Luffy and the world of One Piece in general. The metaphorical world of One Piece is full of life lessons that are presented in abstract fictional ways, like believing in your dreams, fighting till the very end etc. In real life, you obviously don't punch a jaguar human a thousand times screaming "Jet Gatling!" until he's knocked down. But you carry out this fighting spirit and resilience in other ways, like e.g. going to the gym and lifting very heavy weights, protecting your wife from robbers, working as hard as possible for a test at school etc. It's all abstractly presented in One Piece. Any literal interpretation of events in One Piece should be covered by your insurance first.

[@aniverse_574]

@@adibahmed10 see man What I mean is that yes one piece has many good messages but they are very basic messages like hard work , importance of dreams , not using your power to oppress others . But his world is completely different. Stories like hunter x hunter and berserk give more practical message while being a fantasy too . But I know that one piece have themes too I was just commenting that in one piece world becoming free is easier compared to our world.

[@JoeWizTheBaller27]

Amazing video, the difference between Eren’s and Luffy’s freedom has been something I’ve thought about for a while. Even being my favorite MC and Luffy being either second or third kinda made me start to make this comparison

[@TheJamesTish]

Holy shit this comparison is something I've been pondering for a while I'm so happy someone took on the dialectic

[@HelloOnepiece]

Another difference is that Luffy's freedom is the freedom of the will, Luffy has no problem with servitude if it comes from the honest own will of the individual. Eren on the other hand is dipping into freedom without any constraints, including societal ones, this freedom is kinda impossible. Imo in Eren's eyes friendship is also a constraint, when he was an asshole with armin and Mikasa I believe those were partly his honest thoughts, his nihilist ones, mikasa and armin were not free, since they were constrained by their love for eren. This is why Eren is the slave of freedom, the attack titan is a titan to fight/rise up against the chains. And it will always find something to rise up against. If eren survives he will always find something to fight against, dude is a psychopath, even before the timeskip. (titan powers surely did not help though, case and point: gabi)

[@jhw1235]

I've seen this get said around but I don't think Eren's definition of freedom was to do whatever he wanted whenever he wanted. I think his definition was to not be restrained by danger, whether that's titans outside the walls or hateful ideology across the sea. Because of these dangers, these threats to his and his loved one's life, walls have to be built but without these dangers, he and his loved one's can live in peace and go anywhere in the world. Still think it fits with this video and what you said about One Piece though. Good video!

[@imfurea]

Thanks! Yea I definitely could see it that way as the main motivator for Eren's actions being the protection of his loved ones from the constant oppressions that's happening to them.

[@OhTaco77]

There's a video about it on how Eren and Armin differ on how they see freedom, Eren sees it as something like it's his birth right, "If Someone takes my freedom I wont hesitate to take theirs" while Armin sees it as something to be achieved,

[@aniverse_574]

​@@OhTaco77Armin sees it as curiosity While Eren thinks that there is an ocean and he doesn't have the freedom to see it

[@bladeofthegrass]

I'm not sure if any of their writers have talked about it, but I'm pretty certain AoT was largely intended to parallel One Piece, expanding on the message about freedom by focusing on a character in the opposite circumstances from Luffy. Luffy's gone his whole life being enabled to keep proactively chasing his dreams without doubt, and the world he lives in is one where stuff keeps evolving so it gets bigger and more complex, and there's always hope for an eventual solution to anyone's problems. As far as I can tell, one of the main ideas in One Piece is that Luffy represents a hope that people should adopt, since even though other characters wouldn't be able to survive what he's put through, the world would be a better place if all of the characters acted like he did, and if you always focus on your goal at the cost of your journey for every problem you encounter, you'll never find time to be happy. He lives life flexibly, instead of trying to force unexpected developments to fit any attempts at establishing breathing room (which is what the WG and every arc villain does), and embraces that freedom in others, so that even though he fights for his own personal gain, a whole population of Luffys would be a utopia compared to the rule of the celestial dragons. Because of this, he's a character who's allowed to act first without knowing whether he'll survive something, because he's the person in One Piece's thematically hopeful world who was destined to have the right privileges and resources to afford to grow to the top this way, so as a character he was rewarded and conditioned throughout his life to keep chasing things recklessly without considering the consequences ahead of time. To counter this, Eren was only ever denied freedom from his birth, and his near-death experiences only ever reinforced the idea that if he stopped fighting or worrying about unprecedented consequences, he'd be taken out by something he failed to account for. He was forced to value freedom against his own will, born into a world where giants capable of overpowering humanity had pushed civilization into a corner, denied the agency to leave the shelter humanity constructed, and powerless against his community that was pushing everyone toward eventual annihilation because they didn't want to face reality. If Luffy was able to grow into the type of person who would run past a gunman before they had time to shoot, Eren was only able to grow into the type of person who would worry about a gunman behind every corner. I think one of the main points of Eren in AoT was specifically to point out that audience members of One Piece can't realistically afford to be Luffy, because the universe gives him an exception in his story whereas everyone else is at risk of the permanent consequence of death at every decision in their lives. Both of the shows have a lot of similarities, with (at least toward the beginning) the most iconic techniques of the main characters involving them biting into their hands to grow in size, and later on the main powers were revealed to be limited in number, requiring users to die for anyone else to inherit them. Despite Eren and Luffy both fighting for freedom, they were only ever able to do so through practices that required sacrifice and inequality. That's why I think that AoT and One Piece aren't saying to be like either of their characters, but use those characters to say that their audiences should evaluate both the strengths and flaws in what they do for how they should approach their actual lives. Tbh, I never got into One Piece before the live action came out. It kept introducing new factors to the overall world that were jarringly mechanistically different from what the audience had ever been given before, instead of establishing one comprehensive system or model and having every expansion to the world be easily interpretable through it, so in grade school (when I mostly watched anime as background noise to help sleep), I personally found it difficult to watch (eventually sleeping through Alabasta and giving up at the start of Skypiea). Going back to it later though, after watching both the live action adaptation and most of AoT, and actually giving it some patience and attention, it's really enjoyable to watch. About to start Wano! 😁

[@imfurea]

Welcome to Wano! I don't think I've heard that AOT was intended to parallel One Piece but if that's the case then that's very interesting! Yea I agree that Luffy lives flexibly and in turn has an inspiring effect on not only people in the show but on others in real life. On the other hand its also important that in our life living life like Luffy is just not realistic at all and Eren's view on freedom grounds us in this reality and looking at both characters we can see (like you said) the flaws and strengths in both approaches towards freedom. Yea honestly I watched One Piece growing up and I stopped many times throughout the show like Skypiea and Dressrosa and would pick them up many months later after I initially dropped it. The show itself can get very groggy when watching but looking at the whole show overall is when it really shines in how the world and characters interact and how the overall plot of the show develops. Glad to see you enjoying it and I also thought the live action adaptation was also great and introduced people to the anime who never would have never watched one piece until now.

[@tx6723]

Lol no op is not as serious as aot

[@bladeofthegrass]

@@tx6723 That doesn't mean they can't both have thought put into them. In order to get a series green lit in the first place, enough symbolism and secondary detail has to be included in the pitch, and it also makes writing easier because you can partly follow your established lines of thought without having to think of something completely random.

[@immersion6105]

Attack on Titan has this quite fascist us vs them mentality and in the end Eren commits genocide on a grand scale, providing no solution to the problem and basically saying that war will always exist so there's no use in trying to improve the world. One Piece on the other hand, recognizes that war, oppression, inequality, etc. exists for a reason. This reason being the few holding all the power and wealth for themselves, and creating inequal systems to uphold that status. Of course, the solution is usually for Luffy to punch the big bad into oblivion and free the people. Luffy is a very simple guy so what makes him free the people of that place is because one of his friends needs help, or because his freedom is being restricted (it can be both). Also, he does not like when others freedom are being restricted in general and will act on that too. There is also the revolutionary army, who fights to liberate the people oppressed by the world government and in contrast to the marines (who are more akin to the military and survey corps in AoT) they are anti-war and only fight because they have to in order to get rid of inequality for all (not just a select few like in AoT). In general, although you would think AoT is a more realistic depiction of our world I would argue that One Piece captures the essence of it perfectly. AoT presents an inherently flawed world view and although I don't know whether that is Isayama's view or if he meant it as a cautionary tale, I still think that a world grounded on fascist values is not an accurate representation of our world, although it is showing parts of it. One Piece may be idealistic in a lot of ways but it is showing the world for what it actually is.

[@bladeofthegrass]

@@immersion6105 On a larger scale, they're pretty much the same world and saying the same thing. The end of AoT wasn't arguing that there's no hope for progress, or that extreme conflicts are inevitable, otherwise none of the main characters would've stuck with what they were doing in their final scenes, and the tree wouldn't have grown again. It was the opposite, where the point of the end of AoT was hopeful and that even though we don’t have a solution now (because if we did then the world would be much different), it’s still possible to find one so we should keep trying, but what that means is that there are going to be any number of setbacks until we find it, and the one thing NOT to do is try to use them as evidence that we should give up. If anything, the tree growing back is an optimistic sign that even in worse-case scenarios where all progress is undone, life will find a way to return and that just means we’re going to be given another chance to try again and maybe reach a different outcome. AoT and OP both have worlds where there’s this ongoing opposition between technological progress and the growing risks that progress presents for undoing everything, but both have hope and both have large-scale failures. The biggest difference between AoT and OP’s worlds in that sense is that AoT lines up with what happened during the void century, and the final scene in AoT is like what’s happening with Luffy now. Joy Boy tried and failed, but time moved FORWARD and even though most of the world was destroyed back then, some remnants of progress were anchored and so when Luffy’s time came to start down that same path there were all sorts of other factors to give him more hope for overcoming what Joy Boy couldn’t. In the same way, less technologically advanced (resembling Ymir’s time) civilizations were able to emerge once more after AoT’s fallout, and while someone is going to be able to go down Ymir’s path again, there are remnants of the previous loop that set their new journey apart somewhat and give confidence that they have a better shot at achieving a better result. Also, similar to how Joy Boy was able to leave those poneglyphs behind and there’s still that second increasingly mysterious one under Alabasta that Luffy just forgot about, there’s the chance that some wisdom of Armin’s time survived, or that Eren’s tombstone might even be preserved somewhat underneath the new tree. It’s also possible that Eren himself has been preserved somewhat, since he didn’t join the fading ghosts at the end of the rumbling and the worm stayed tethered to its body while everybody else was released. AoT, the story from that specific era, was left super open and hopeful.

[@AlexanderSauce]

Mane this guy just cant miss

[@yurkdawg]

Wow great video! Besides your intriguing points I especially loved how you used wonderful music throughout your video. But you not only used AOT/One Piece music (for instance I noticed a remixed theme from Howl's Moving castle in there.) Moreover you masterfully intertwined then ended your video with the awesome new Linked Horizon end music from AoT. Wow wonderful job! (Congratulations too on getting by KZbin's flawed and silly copyright bots that tend to be tougher on audio than on video.) Anyway I'm definitely liking/subscribing. If you're already this great at expressing worthwhile ideas I cannot wait to see (and hear!) more from you! Thank you and good luck in the future!

[@irolxy]

Eren is obsesed with freedom but in the end for his loved ones he sacrificed himselfs freedom but luffy brings freedom where he goes to

[@minknee]

Awesome sauce video Mr.Furea!

[@thyageshnathan598]

One of the most interesting things is that these characters are SLAVES to FREEDOM

[@AhashTH]

I swear im hooked on this guys documentary style videos man

[@SirToaster9330]

How I put it is that Eren's idea of freedom is a combination of Eastern and Western ideals, it brings a life where he is no longer a target and where he is free from intergenerational trauma which is what the Rumbling brings, a life where he is no longer hunted, meanwhile Luffy's idea is freedom from consequences which is why he wants to be Pirate King

[@aniverse_574]

Luffy would be like Eren too If he would see his friends dying again and again just because of their race

[@SirToaster9330]

@@aniverse_574 He sees people get bullied and trafficked for being different anyway

[@aniverse_574]

@@SirToaster9330 he doesn't do anything Luffy is just achieving his dream And is often saved by liberation army or his fruit which gives him gear 5 like powers But series like Berserk Aot Jjk Puts you in a situation where there is much more ethical dilemma

[@PatriqXd]

Very good Vid man, keep it up!

[@Lesaite]

Great video

[@riiddisbuk2496]

Define Freedom; Luffy: The journey. Eren: The destination. Luffy: Man that's boring to me. Eren: I'm quite aware, your series just doesn't end. Luffy: I don't know what you're talking about😗

[@AbhilashGregory1985]

Freedom vs Freedom! Liberator of Friends, Enemies of The World! The Destroyer of Mankind v/s The Sun God! Conquerors of Destiny!

[@siddharthgaur2205]

Well great video I think For Luffy freedom is to create a world where his friends can eat as much as they want without facing any problem and he thinks he can achieve it by being Kings of the Pirate and in his journey being a warrior of Liberation he is freeing other people who are suffering for Eren it was go beyond the walls to world with no other person thier just nature and fast fields to discover well and we know how it turned out 😊

[@aliefalyansyah5996]

If luffy d clan got persecuted like the eldians did i think it will be a more fitting comparison.

[@imfurea]

I think their difference in their upbringing can also be used to compare how their determination can be caused by their birth circumstances. Both of them have very different past as Luffy was born free while Eren was born in a world where he was constantly trapped behind walls blocking his freedom away and its through these differences that shape up their morals and the way they define freedom.

[@aniverse_574]

True

[@mrwilliamdailey]

Excellent probably my favorite video

[@mrwilliamdailey]

Ever

[@riiddisbuk2496]

Dark and gritty along with art that has goofy art styles are terms that can be defined for BOTH SERIES 😭😭📝📝

[@jonathan_king000]

bro ur videos are great

[@arminkir9389]

Y’all be sleeping on jolyne cujoh she is the best representation of freedom

[@isaacldi2643]

Banger video

[@Kurenai_TV]

love your videos dude ❤

[@BergmitetheBlueandPointy0712]

Eren is essentially an antithesis to Luffy isn’t he ? Almost like Blackbeard in a sense on being "free".

[@treyjian]

THE ONE PIECE IS REALLLLLLLLLLLL

[@AlexanderSauce]

PEOPLE'S DREAMS HAVE NO END !!!!

[@jrl1playz]

@@AlexanderSauce Real

[@AlexanderSauce]

Dang straight young playa@@jrl1playz

[@imfurea]

🤯

[@ninjaoffcialyt4845]

did this guy compare a mastermind genocidal maniac to fking luffy

[@imfurea]

oh i did

[@Justanormalperson777]

Are you dumb

[@chrollolucilfer4392]

Luffy lives in free world where as eren was not free from the beginning.

[@jackyyo1998]

Not a free world. The navy exists. Luffy is the beacon of freedom in one piece's world

[@riiddisbuk2496]

For at least a decade, Attack on Titan and One Piece dominated the manga sales. Look at how the main characters are being compared and contrasted before us. We're talking about a villain who pretends to be a hero vs a hero who pretends to be a villain. Eren Yeager vs Monkey D. Luffy. Two polar opposite characters whose main goals are freedom. I won't lie... Eren would be a good villain in One Piece for Luffy to fight (assuming Eren can even fight Luffy).

[@aniverse_574]

Eren would like to end the oppression of the world government in one piece world I don't think he would be a villain

[@riiddisbuk2496]

@@aniverse_574 Hard to say. There are infinite equations that can beget the same exact result or infinite different ones. A far bigger and better take to look at the world than the mere concept of "moral gray" areas.

[@aniverse_574]

@@riiddisbuk2496 Eren can't take oppression As we see when he brutally killed the s3x traffickers in mikasa's backstory He won't be able to sit until they are alive

[@riiddisbuk2496]

@@aniverse_574 The s3x trafficers got what they deserved. Eren might have been worse than them, but even he had remorse that they didn't have. Guess that's what happens when you have all kinds of people.

[@DjReXforever]

10/10 video

[@RunBoy]

Great video! I love this topics and these mangas/animes. I believe it’s arrogant to believe that freedom is the capacity to exerce our will on the world without restraint. Because it leads us to desire to be equal to God. No, in fact, even if we restreint all physical capabilities of a human, he still can think therefore choose. He can choose good over evil. His will to either believe in Good, God, Jesus or himself and his ego therefore dead and bad.

[@MagiaBased]

what is good and evil? if you believe in God shouldn't he define what's good or evil and not human society? if I do something "evil" and have 0 remorse was it evil?

[@RunBoy]

@@MagiaBased Yes God define what is good and what is not. In the Bible, it is written in the Old Testament as "the law" and the law is very rough. So harsh and difficult that nobody at the time could live by it without succeeding completely. Mercy and forgiveness were used frequently to make room for everyone’s mistakes. God leaves righteousness in a certain range of freedom according to society. So, citizen needs to follow their leaders even if they don’t like their decisions. We obey to them like we obey our parents and when it cross the line of God’s commandments, we disobey.

[@jdl5963]

Freedom is only obtainable by being unable to be Morally wrong. So True freedom Would be to exercise our will without restraint. God is Freedom. Luffy represents the ideal of living Free and that is why he is a respective God in his Verse. Eren becomes Omnipotent and sees that he was never free. At least this is my interpretation.

[@RunBoy]

@@jdl5963 Intentions vs actions When actions are limited and unequal for everyone, Intentions aren’t because they can take any shape. While freedom of power would need an infinite capacity, freedom of will is what we already are. Luffy and Eren are like mini gods but will never be God simply because God was never born to begin with: he was always there. The world is deceiving; we are weak, we crave for a meaning to exist and nothing of this world fill this void, sadness and violence is permanently there and at the end, we die. So, only freedom of choice is relevant. I love these two stories and the morals it tries to convey. In One Piece, true strength is described as the power of will. In Attack on Titan, Eren sacrifice his morals and choose to align his will with evil in order to gain power that will grant him freedom which; doesn’t fully give him what he crave for.

[@jdl5963]

@RunBoy Do you believe this has been the case for all of time or just recent history? I believe that power is only attained in ideology, not in individuals. So, we live our dreams and search for freedom. "Life without liberty is like a body without spirit."

[@azeuu]

great video my goat. i think the luffy/eren conversation is very complex especially considering that, like you said a little, luffy is 'free' but eren is only chasing that feeling; so i thought you addressed it greatly. ANYWAYS CODE GEASS CLEARS BOTH OF EM LUFFYK ERENK!!!!

[@kurokorio]

Hello Aze, I also think that Pat was able to summarize up and define on what "freedom" meant for both characters. I really enjoy the aot ending since Eren was able to accomplish what he wanted even though it wasn't the outcome that everyone wanted.

[@treyjian8195]

Hello Aze, I agree.

[@AlexanderSauce]

Hello Aze, I agree AOT is sleeper and I cant stand the show.

[@imfurea]

Code Geass: Lelouch of the Re;surrection moment

[@kanishkkumar2298]

LMAO code geass is mid, it can only hope to be as good as AoT. It didn't even try anything exceptional, just the ideas and themes AoT handles and how it handled is beyond what CG can hope to accomplish.

[@kit9837]

banger

[@raemmio2761]

I think you can ultimately compare their “freedoms” is by looking at the authors worldviews. Aot author is a right winger (and even be considered a far right leaning person from his previous support of alt right movements). While one piece author is definitely a leftist from his writing and from what he has stated before. Why does the political ideology matter to see what the difference in freedom is? Well because we can see how it has affected the characters within the world. Eren talks about freedom but his actions don’t show. If you want freedom then everyone has to be free. What eren really wanted was only him and the people close to him to be free. He doesn’t want to change the system that caused all that oppression but just put a different group of people at the top “freeing” himself and his close friends. We can also see this when the other titans are used as tools on the other side he does not want to free those people from their shackles but calls them traitors. Like any far-right wing group in history when they get put in charge they do not change the system they were blaming for all the troubles they just replace the top people with new people that are loyal to the group. They repeat the same oppressive cycle that they were blaming everything on. While luffys is actually about revolution and breaking the current system. Either by helping oppressed natives get back their land. Fight against a government that withholds medical treatment to only the top earners. Luffy might not know how to properly replace a broken system with a new one. But he knows how an oppressive state looks like. He also understands that everyone has a right to freedom. As no matter who he sees he will help the people become free.

[@riiddisbuk2496]

If Eren and Luffy met prior to Eren comitting his first true massacre, I'm sure they would've made great friends. Too bad that Eren was bent on genocide.

[@aniverse_574]

I don't think luffy would have been able to comprehend what to do in aot's situation All world coming to wipe out your race is a more difficult situation

[@riiddisbuk2496]

@@aniverse_574 It's possible to be any kind of person in a world with all kinds of people. But you only live once. You can only choose your actions wisely or pay the heavy price.

[@D_ragneel]

Yea, Luffy would help whoever that feeds him lol (just kidding) But seriously if they become friends before eren committed genocide then luffy would glady help eren But opinion of others outside the wall can't be changed just with powers alone If they use luffy's Power and anyone intelligent in aot properly they can pull it off Luffy and eren can probably save them all

[@aniverse_574]

@@D_ragneel of luffy won't have his powers in aot world Then he would panic as aot's world is dark His friends would be killed again and again And there will be no peace to stop it He would just start crying like he did in marineford tbh

[@D_ragneel]

@@aniverse_574 well i made that statement considering a scenoria where luffy somehow end up meeting eren in one of his journey (with as much as power he have) As a warrior of liberation, if he have same power as in one piece.... Its possible (before eren cleared 80% of population) I mean, i wouldn't even have said that if i was just gonna consider luffy as normal citizen with no power like aot characters

[@radaro.9682]

If any of us are not free none of us are. kzbin.info/www/bejne/r6CUdZt-ndJ3h5osi=a1VxCDTqEw8Cy6DL Recoment this video for more on Luffy and freedom The biggest problem with Eren is that his freedom is just for him. He becomes the oppressor or seeks to inflict the oppression on his abusers. It's not breaking the cycle but continuing it. When we are given power we cannot hold that power over others. He may want to inspire others to band together but he is inspiring them to gather power and extert that power over another. This perpetuates hierarchy and hierarchy is inherently a limit to freedom.

[@oussmalone3066]

You really comparing 6years+ show to aot

[@SAKKI14]

aot is like 12 years old my guy

[@GotMilk-xf3ds]

Let's be real here. If Luffy and Eren switched series then Luffy would be dead in AoT and Eren would kill all of Luffy's foes.

[@zulchemical]

we talking full powers? Luffy - "Nah I'd win"

[@inkchariot6147]

Eren would kill all of Luffy's foes. That is the funniest joke I've heard today. Captain Kuro would kill Eren before he even realize he's in danger. And don't even get me started on Crocodile. I'm not going to mention Kaido, because there's no fucking way he'd get that far. Rumbling or no Rumbling.

[@inkchariot6147]

Also, how can Titans kill Luffy, if he's made of rubber, highly resistant to most forms of damage outside of slashing and piercing, and can move at the speed of sound? Luffy would be in no danger.

[@GotMilk-xf3ds]

@@inkchariot6147 You do realize when i say "Luffy and Eren switch series" that means their powers from their respective series don't go with them? There are no Devil Fruits in AoT and there are no Titans in OP (Not counting the Giants) Luffy doesn't have the Gum Gum Fruit and Eren doesn't have the Attack Titan. Hell it's possible that Luffy would be the Attack Titan and Eren would have the Gum Gum Fruit. And considering their characters, it makes you wonder what would happen to them in the other series. That's why i think Luffy may not survive in AoT while Eren would thrive in OP, but he would kill all his foes.

[@zulchemical]

@@GotMilk-xf3ds without powers? Eren couldn't even beat usopp.

[@Italian_Isaac_Clarke]

The ending is bad because it makes no logical sense. The way in which even the last arcs develop does not follow from the previous ones, and even if we let that aside: >the sins of the fathers once again fall onto the children, they are raised to die in a war ---[the show was NEVER about "durr humans will always fight", that was takes as a fact, a factor, THE point of the story was, as Eren saving Mikasa, "it is not wrong to fight those who want to take away your freedom, because we are all free to defend ourselves"]--- >this hate develops into a global war, "LMAO 139/11" >the titans are back >Eren's character gets ruined for lord knows what reason behind Isayama's curtains and instead of having our generation's Evangelion we get this terrible disaster Just stop escusing bad writing, if Isayama REALLY wanted something on that line to be the ending, then he made a TERRIBLE job by making a story which has NOTHING to do with that.

[@imfurea]

I do think that after Eren starts the rumbling and gains full control over the founding titan powers allowing him to see into his future his motives do change but, I don't think those changes are necessarily out of character. Once he learns the future he knows hes destined to be stopped by his friends thus changing his motive to end the curse of the titans and allow his friends to live peacefully. Once his main driving factor (fighting for freedom in an unknown world) was going to be lost as per looking into the future seeing his friends stop him, his second driving factor took control, which was allowing his friends to live a peaceful life, this was also a big motivator in Erens actions but never his first priority as he is a slave to freedom and if nothing could have stopped him he would have done so anyways. I do like your take on the whole we are free to defend themselves but as we can see Eren is a whole exception to this because he wanted to do the rumbling, before he was introduced to the ocean by armin he was always bored, waiting for something to happen and then with that knowledge of the ocean he realized that he was not free and in turn wanted to fight for it and go outside the walls and join the scouts to fight for his freedom he now realized he didnt have. The issue with this is whether its ethically moral for Eren to erase 80% and I think that most peole would find it hard to justify that even if it was to defend his freedom, in my opinion it was definitely a little too far. However, like Eren said in the end he felt like he was trapped and this was the only way to do things because in every outcome imaginable many years after their generation is gone, the cycle of war continues. Once he learned he was going to be stopped he realized that the least he could do was allow his friends to live a peaceful life. I don't think the writing is necessarily bad just the delivery being a little iffy and honestly the more I look into it the more I start to dig it lol.

[@Justanormalperson777]

Plz explain don't rant nonsense

[@memezurdreamz2203]

The story of AOT is a (very) rough fantastical reimagining of the Japanese repatriation. Calling it a story about freedom is shallow and also an injustice, despite my negative opinions on the series.

[@ytplo]

cant beat goku

[@imfurea]

nuh uh

[@aniverse_574]

Luffy's journey is very easy compared to Eren Luffy and his crew has insane plot armour and they are mostly saved by god like powers like gear 5 and revolutionary army While Eren have to see his Friends dying again and again In every cartoon like Doremon or Chhota Bheem The main character freed the oppressed lands Doesn't mean they are symbol of freedom What one piece did is quite common and not something unique

[@Tophat-Turtle]

They were saved once by the revolutionary army bud

[@aniverse_574]

@@Tophat-Turtle they were saved in sabody Also when luffy was about to be killed in first 50 episodes But dragon saved him At marineford Law saved him and many others And they are able to defeat enemies without any consequences Like not even a single casualty from our hero's side Even nami and Ussop survive The thing about freedom is that you will never absolute freedom But one piece is not that serious about its themes Its just a simple story of good vs bad everytime

[@AlexanderSauce]

AOT SUCKS AND ONE PIECE TRUMPS IT ALL DAY

[@kurokorio]

Hello Alex, While I get where you're coming from, I personally think that aot is very well thought out and the ending was an amazing ending. I believe that the only real reason that people hate on the aot ending is because it's the bandwagon to hate on it since a couple people disliked the manga ending and therefore it became a trend to hate on it. The story didn't get a fairytale ending but I felt like that was the beauty of the show.

[@AlexanderSauce]

Man imma reply to my own comment cause its real af. Good stuff keep it up man.

[@treyjian8195]

@@kurokorio Hello Kurokori, I agree.

[@azeuu]

I disagree with both takes. Joker from Persona 5 is the epitome of freedom. Being able to live a vigilante life while upholding social statuses is truly what 'free' can inherit. Though rather than freedom, the game focuses on their meaning of 'justice' which is an exact parallel of Furea's interpretation of eren/luffy's 'freedom'. anyways suk my nuts lil bro

[@AlexanderSauce]

Oh I ain't hopping on the bandwagon that anime ending was lame asl. They did some fairytale ass ending and called it a day. Lame ending for a great start to a show. Too bad they have troglodytes that like fairytale bs endings to white knight for the ending. @@kurokorio