how bad is an iPhone 4s on iOS 9?

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@iClassic
@iClassic 19 күн бұрын
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@LennonsRetroTech
@LennonsRetroTech 19 күн бұрын
No Wi-Fi on the iPhone 4s is a common issue because of the Wi-Fi chip. Heating the top of the iPhone with a hairdryer until it gets the temperature warning will sometimes fix this
@sevanandonian9996
@sevanandonian9996 18 күн бұрын
Yes Exactly!
@giovanigeorgis3848
@giovanigeorgis3848 12 күн бұрын
That’s a wild fix lmao
@Space_US
@Space_US 11 күн бұрын
@@giovanigeorgis3848at least you dont need a soldering station
@RideOnTimePH
@RideOnTimePH 19 күн бұрын
Answer: VERY BAD
@Nokia305-x3u
@Nokia305-x3u 19 күн бұрын
Also glitches & lags from the RAM.
@SamCoder.
@SamCoder. 19 күн бұрын
I have an iPad Mini Gen 1, which has the same hardware as an iPhone 4s... As expected, the mini 1 is as slow as an iPhone 4s when running iOS 9... I installed coolbooter and downgraded it to iOS 6 (the first version for it... ) And man, the performance boosted up a lot... Like a lot!
@linxclpx
@linxclpx 19 күн бұрын
How
@SamCoder.
@SamCoder. 19 күн бұрын
@@linxclpx You can find good videos which will guide you on how to install coolbooter...
@Sakuyushi
@Sakuyushi 19 күн бұрын
Yup. Literally unusable. Crazy days
@Mario_1031
@Mario_1031 19 күн бұрын
That’s very true, I might have to downgrade my iPad mini to iOS 6.
@extraC344
@extraC344 19 күн бұрын
its even worse that the ipad mini has a 1Ghz A5 instead of the 800MHz A5 meaning it should have at least have a tiny bit more performance over the 4S but it performed the same TL;DR: the mini got hit hard with iOS 9
@BraydenShanksChannel
@BraydenShanksChannel 19 күн бұрын
I used an iPhone 4s for about 2 years on iOS 9 in middle school. It was fine. It wasn't the fastest but it was all we could afford. I was able to facetime make calls watch videos play minecraft. It wasn't that bad. The apps were pretty optimized at the time, I even used snapchat.
@mattybraps7620
@mattybraps7620 17 күн бұрын
Same here but I used mine in high school in July 2017 till I upgraded to the 6S in Xmas 2018
@BraydenShanksChannel
@BraydenShanksChannel 17 күн бұрын
@ omgggg same I got a 6s plus in nov 2018
@CentralPALocos
@CentralPALocos 19 күн бұрын
I used it on iOS 9 when it was my only device in 2016-2017 and it honestly wasn’t too bad. It did almost anything I threw at it, as long as you were patient. It did not like Clash Royale quite as much, though
@BeomKim2da
@BeomKim2da 19 күн бұрын
Fr I had my worst life with an iPhone 4s on iOS 9. Downgrading is almost necessary 😂
@precisionxt
@precisionxt 17 күн бұрын
What’s ironic is that iOS 8.1.1 was released primarily to optimize the experience on the 4S. (like reducing animations for certain elements, removing non essential components, etc). It was Apple acknowledging that the experience was subpar and they made several tweaks to address that. It did make a difference. I don’t know what happened when they decided to release iOS 9 for the 4S. Did they forget this thing only had a half gig of RAM? iOS 8 was already pushing it.
@nmac101
@nmac101 17 күн бұрын
i bought an almost mint condition iphone 4s, it came with ios 9 but i figured out how to downgrade it to ios 6, and now its faster than ever
@haramaschabrasir8662
@haramaschabrasir8662 19 күн бұрын
I have one in good condition and love it as an mp3 player for running. It fits in every pocket. For that purpose iOS 9 performance is ok.
@iClassic
@iClassic 19 күн бұрын
Nice! What music player do you use?
@OmarmoX-l
@OmarmoX-l 16 күн бұрын
@@iClassichi bro you can fix the WiFi it’s a internal issue I will help you fix it it’s a common issue on iPhone 4s
@OmarmoX-l
@OmarmoX-l 16 күн бұрын
@@iClassicall you need is a hair dryer and that’s it
@OmarmoX-l
@OmarmoX-l 16 күн бұрын
And see this vid
@OmarmoX-l
@OmarmoX-l 16 күн бұрын
@@iClassic kzbin.info/www/bejne/nHrYdZd8iK2gna8si=DTAWTyCS6zT7J3xp
@rhapsody2612
@rhapsody2612 19 күн бұрын
Before I clicked on the video, I read the title and yelled out "terrible". Goes to show how bad it is on iOS 9
@Mrrandom-e2p
@Mrrandom-e2p 9 күн бұрын
AGREED
@ColinsCity
@ColinsCity 17 күн бұрын
iPhones started to really get good around 2017 with the iPhone X, I was an iPhone user since 2010 and was never satisfied with each device update i got, then the X came out and it really changed my view on iPhones completely even typing on it was much better than previous generations and the battery lasted so much longer compared to my iPhone 7. I still use the Xs Max as a secondary phone and i still love using it, it has a new battery and always lasts the entire day not to mention the enhanced speakers for playing music. Back in the early days of iPhones even the new iOS update would make the iPhones much slower even if it was the first year iOS upgrade but tech has come so far that they can get 5 iOS updates and still work great.
@Techlifeandmore
@Techlifeandmore 19 күн бұрын
So glad that Apple doesn’t update their devices to the point where they can’t run the software anymore, except the iPad seventh generation which is pretty terrible on iPadOS 18.
@NotWindows
@NotWindows 19 күн бұрын
doesnt feel terrible to me imo
@Techlifeandmore
@Techlifeandmore 16 күн бұрын
@ I mean it's usable I guess but it's not great.
@NoahTAG
@NoahTAG 19 күн бұрын
I recently got a 4s and I was happy finding out it hadn't been updated past ios 6
@canadianpsycho1867
@canadianpsycho1867 10 күн бұрын
any iPhone 4S can be downgraded to iOS 6
@DRCLComputers
@DRCLComputers 9 күн бұрын
I actually bought an iPhone 4S in August because I've always wanted one, even though I have been an Android user all my life. Even though it ran ios 9.3.6, it was actually smooth compared to my midrange android which would lag even on the home screen sometimes. The build quality and the overall experience with the software made me switch to iPhone 2 months later.
@Roshan_420
@Roshan_420 16 күн бұрын
I daily drive an iPhone 6 as a dumbphone, no social media just solitaire and calling / sms maps and weather work
@miguelojera2356
@miguelojera2356 18 күн бұрын
Good thing about technology improving overtime is that we get devices with longer software and security support without putting a huge hit on reduced performance.
@NoahHerman
@NoahHerman 16 күн бұрын
i remember it being really bad back then 😂😭
@Hoovercaden
@Hoovercaden 18 күн бұрын
i actually loved that case idea so much and was literally going to order one when I realized they have it for literally all the iPhone 15 Units EXCEPT for the iPhone 15 plus which is what I have 😭
@ileapsy2071
@ileapsy2071 4 сағат бұрын
Actually holding the home button will also turn on the phone
@OakBlox
@OakBlox 19 күн бұрын
5:08 to skip the boring ad
@Daniel_445-Vu
@Daniel_445-Vu 18 күн бұрын
Thx you a life saver
@AzureRT456
@AzureRT456 16 күн бұрын
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@qui-gonsgin8747
@qui-gonsgin8747 8 күн бұрын
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@jasonrippedoff
@jasonrippedoff 7 күн бұрын
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@volatilx
@volatilx 19 күн бұрын
The WiFi is greyed out because of a thermal shock. It’s infamous on these models.
@justusgovaert
@justusgovaert 3 күн бұрын
You have IOS 9 on this iPhone here but what about ios 6 7 or 8. How do they perform? Do the updates slowly make this iPhone 4s get slower when installing a newer IOS or is IOS 9 a much bigger downgrade in performance compared to IOS 8 or older updates?
@nnasosss
@nnasosss 2 күн бұрын
Look, i might be wrong for sure but iOS 5-7 run like butter. It was iOS 8 that started killing the iphone 4S, iOS 9 put the final nail in the coffin.
@samastra1066
@samastra1066 19 күн бұрын
It’s true I remember when they said that it would improve performance, I was happy for this little phone :(
@KoopaKid660
@KoopaKid660 19 күн бұрын
I have an iPad 3 that is also on iOS 9. It actually runs alright, but performance in apps and games isn't that great due to the A5X not being that much better over the A5.
@ii_Giovanni
@ii_Giovanni 8 күн бұрын
I don’t think what you mentioned is the reason why the Wi-Fi isn’t working anymore. Friends of mine who own a phone repair shop once told me that later versions of the iPhone 4S had issues with the Wi-Fi chip, which would need to be replaced. (The strange thing is that if you heat up the top part with a hairdryer, it works briefly again.)
@appletech7272
@appletech7272 19 күн бұрын
Thanks so much for this content please make more like this 😊.
@marcash3862
@marcash3862 7 күн бұрын
I remember when I upgraded my good old iPhone 4 (not S) to ios 7 over 10 years ago.. it got basically bricked, barely usable! still things slightly improved with further updates and I managed to use it until late 2015
@mustajabzuberi4916
@mustajabzuberi4916 18 күн бұрын
I remember downloading iOS 9 beta on my mom's iphone 4s and it was literally unusable as in how slow it was but other than that, the beta made some apps straight up not work at all. It was the worst.
@absolutepixels54
@absolutepixels54 2 күн бұрын
Same case with my old redmi 7a! Miui 11 is REALLY fast while the next update (and the last update) which is MIUI 12.5 made it MUCH SLOWER though it was mentioned "enhanced performance". It also said "enhanced visuals and animations" while in reality they REMOVED a lot of animations as well as control centre blur. Terrible.
@absolutepixels54
@absolutepixels54 2 күн бұрын
They deserve to be sued for this.
@TheCheto
@TheCheto 12 күн бұрын
I had iphone 4s and after first software update WIFI was unusable. Many people had this problem and Apple just did nothing about that and stayed silent and ignored the problem like it does mot exist. And even future software upgrades didn't solved the problem. So you didn't delete anything, it was a software bag that they never repaired
@ChristmasMorning1995
@ChristmasMorning1995 6 күн бұрын
I had a 2011 manufactured 4s in 2017 with the latest iOS 9 software update and its WiFi worked. Its battery was pretty much cooked though lol
@bigupbassline58
@bigupbassline58 Күн бұрын
it wouldn't be so bad if they gave it more RAM (at least 768mb or more) and bumped up the clock speed to 1ghz the speed isn't too big of an issue, it's mostly just background apps closing when multi tasking and RAM related crashes
@samastra1066
@samastra1066 19 күн бұрын
If I could still use this phone I WOULD ABSOLUTELY!!! The camera and design are amazing, I still have cases for it 😢too bad Apple bricked it
@vijayshow739
@vijayshow739 14 күн бұрын
No I have iPad 2 on ios 9 I don’t use it as daily driver. But still usable lot of apps like KZbin Twitter don’t work. Despite some stuttering it runs ok. So the iPhone 4s should do as well am I right
@anthonysantos1002
@anthonysantos1002 13 күн бұрын
The best apple phone they ever made
@AlperFix
@AlperFix 10 күн бұрын
people think its dongrading performance but its all about the animation speed as an ios 9.3.5 ipad mini 1 user
@vedanshchn
@vedanshchn 19 күн бұрын
Every action takes long to be completed on 9 :( But my 4S has a weak battery now, so I'm not bothered to downgrade. I'll get a new one next year.
@jaymueze
@jaymueze 12 күн бұрын
I have an iPhone 4s on iOS 7.1.1 and it runs much smoother than iOS 9
@Dolly-Days
@Dolly-Days 11 күн бұрын
I have a really nice iPhone 4s and I installed a new battery in it. It is running iOS 9.3.6 and I have no clue how to downgrade the software. Is that something you would be interested in doing? Im not sure if you take on work like this but I am willing to pay.
@tylerloughren6681
@tylerloughren6681 14 күн бұрын
I have an iPhone 4s
@prati8801
@prati8801 19 күн бұрын
Dude that case is so cool!!! Can I put a picture of my dog?
@iClassic
@iClassic 19 күн бұрын
Yes 🐕
@craftydodger123
@craftydodger123 10 күн бұрын
You gotta try iOS 6 on the 3GS, it was so bad that I downgraded to iOS 4.1
@ricky2k3_
@ricky2k3_ 16 күн бұрын
would love to know a way to save my iPhone 4s from activation lock, downgrade it and enjoy it again... I already tried all the usual but I lost my iCloud and else
@lazayvion
@lazayvion 19 күн бұрын
Once iPhone 4S got iOS 8, I could NOT wait to get rid of the 4S quick enough.
@colawin
@colawin 18 күн бұрын
You should put an iPhone 6s iOS 9 and iPhone 4s iOS 9 together to reflect how bad is iOS 9 in iPhone 4s
@TopMuslimGMP
@TopMuslimGMP 19 күн бұрын
I have one and I downgraded it to iOS 6.1.3 it’s so fast now and before it was soooo slow
@leonardobovini242
@leonardobovini242 19 күн бұрын
yeah me too its so good and fast
@markvillanueva3174
@markvillanueva3174 19 күн бұрын
But how to down grade the update?
@SaitoTheSmashGame2005
@SaitoTheSmashGame2005 19 күн бұрын
@@markvillanueva3174 Downgrade to iOS 6? You will have to jailbreak it, you need to use WIFi
@JoBot__
@JoBot__ 19 күн бұрын
@@markvillanueva3174 Look for a tutorial online for downgrading the iPhone 4S to iOS 6.1.3. It's quite easy, given that you have a Mac or a Linux machine.
@jpedrothejo
@jpedrothejo 14 күн бұрын
so does the "s" stand for "slow" now
@KedarKhade2013
@KedarKhade2013 19 күн бұрын
iphone 4s camera❤️
@GioFo
@GioFo 8 күн бұрын
I used one of these as daily driving phone in 2022, now I downgraded it to iOS 8, I still have one 4s on iOS 6 and an other one on iOS 9
@JustPHT
@JustPHT 18 күн бұрын
I love that mac folder wallet you used as a background prop ❤. Could you link me through it?
@Error-404-Server-down
@Error-404-Server-down 19 күн бұрын
Hey have you tried restoring using DFU?
@JoBot__
@JoBot__ 19 күн бұрын
That's what I would recommend, though he did say that the power button is broken. He'd need to use an external tool to put the device into DFU mode. I'm sure this would work to fix the Wi-Fi.
@shoukonishimiya9931
@shoukonishimiya9931 18 күн бұрын
you can use itunes to flash ios 9. on iphone 4s to enble wife as it still sighed by apple just make sure to back it up
@ryanthomas5528
@ryanthomas5528 19 күн бұрын
I used an iPhone 4S on iOS 9 before the pandemic hit and it was slow in terms of getting directions via apple maps.. almost crashed in the process.
@Leo_CJM
@Leo_CJM 19 күн бұрын
I still have 4s with iOS 6 ❤❤
@jaivekkanabar6865
@jaivekkanabar6865 19 күн бұрын
iOS 5 🔥
@Pacificbell
@Pacificbell 16 күн бұрын
cant you downgrade those to ios 6?
@Jemis_Brown
@Jemis_Brown 8 күн бұрын
Still smooth than the s24 ultra
@blairhilton2859
@blairhilton2859 2 күн бұрын
i remember getting iOS 9 for the first time. I was pissed i tweeted at Apple that they had ruined my phone lol. I was literally in high school like
@OfficialRodrigoLeon
@OfficialRodrigoLeon 12 күн бұрын
The worst part is that it used to be eligible to downgrade to iOS 6. But lasted for nearly 2 years until it stopped working. Meaning that iOS 9 will permanently be insufferable thanks to Apple.
@polandman07
@polandman07 10 күн бұрын
When did the downgrade stop working? Was it official (signed firmware) or unofficial (what I did a few years ago)
@mrs20255
@mrs20255 18 күн бұрын
wish i still had mine
@RockyRacoon5
@RockyRacoon5 19 күн бұрын
My dad had this iPhone in 2014-2015. After this, he went back to Android and hates iPhone to this day. I can't say I blame him lol, iPhone 4s SUCKED in it's last years.
@rahithahsan188
@rahithahsan188 8 күн бұрын
2:22 Putting it on WiFi would be the real test.
@bennolanswaggerdiaperteenbaby
@bennolanswaggerdiaperteenbaby 19 күн бұрын
I don't have any issues with iOS 9 on my 4s. And I remember back in 2019. When iOS 9.3.6 was available for the 4s. I was 12 years old. And I was so happy.
@prati8801
@prati8801 19 күн бұрын
Iclassic knows the apple tea 🫖 💅🏻
@shoukonishimiya9931
@shoukonishimiya9931 18 күн бұрын
i have iphone 4s still on ios 5.1.1 and ios 9. but i have iphone 4 on ios 7 and it worse than iphone 4s on ios 9. the iphone 4 is slowest iphone ever when it on ios 7. but i had to learn to live with it. it didnt really bother me how slow it was. but the iphone 4s it little bit faster but not by much. i also have an iphone 5s on ios 10.3 that i jalibroke well it has hard time enable it so i dont bother. i only used cydia to install ota block but that it. but i dont use jalibreak as it on ios 10.3 so no need.
@LenovoProGaming
@LenovoProGaming 8 күн бұрын
I use 6S plus as my daily (only working phone I have) had a 4s but sadly its icloud locked :(
@Sandey_w
@Sandey_w 7 күн бұрын
Fun fact: You can still downgrade your iPhone 4s back to iOS 6 with the Legacy iOS kit program because Apple is still signing OTAs for iOS 6.1.3
@johnandrewliem
@johnandrewliem 18 күн бұрын
How do you broke a phone's wifi 😂 this is the first time I ever heard of that 😂 The 4s was the first ever iPhone and apple product I ever own, it was a very beautiful piece of tech back then
@Pilotguy23
@Pilotguy23 5 күн бұрын
I have one lying around
@NATE_XD_2132
@NATE_XD_2132 5 күн бұрын
I’m using a 5s as a baxkup
@bradleychardenet9453
@bradleychardenet9453 14 күн бұрын
Are you forgetting the iPhone 4 on iOS 7?
@mattybraps7620
@mattybraps7620 17 күн бұрын
I use my iPhone 4s on iOS 9 and it’s not really painfully slow
@JoBot__
@JoBot__ 19 күн бұрын
It's quite easy to downgrade to iOS 8 which is much faster, and on many iPhone 4Ses, you can even downgrade to iOS 6 easily.
@vikingsystem
@vikingsystem 18 күн бұрын
ok, tell me how if you mind, because I have one and I would love to downgrade, I can't find any IOS 5 or 6 apple signed.
@JoBot__
@JoBot__ 18 күн бұрын
@@vikingsystem You need to use the OTA downgrade method, which can trivially be done using Legacy iOS Kit. This allows the iPhone 4S to be downgraded to iOS 6 or iOS 8. The only prerequisite is that you have a Mac or a Linux machine. It's quite easy to find a tutorial for this online.
@vikingsystem
@vikingsystem 18 күн бұрын
@ thank you, I use a Mac
@JoBot__
@JoBot__ 18 күн бұрын
@@vikingsystem You should have an easy time downgrading the iPhone 4S then.
@9852323
@9852323 12 күн бұрын
Watching on iPhone 5s
@thieninh4153
@thieninh4153 19 күн бұрын
I used the 4s on ios 9 from 2018 to 2020. It was a terrible experience because of the laggy animation and app crashing
@Себастьян2020м
@Себастьян2020м 10 күн бұрын
I have an iPad 2 on iOS 9
@awava5603
@awava5603 15 күн бұрын
How do I jailbreak iPhone 4s on ios 9.3.6 , I tried Phoenix but it didn’t load? Do you people know what is the way to jailbreak iphone 4s
@helenaschroter7225
@helenaschroter7225 13 күн бұрын
Hey got a Black iphone 4s my is icloud locked on ios 9
@belchy94
@belchy94 19 күн бұрын
Can’t be any worse then the iPhone 3G on iOS 4
@JoBot__
@JoBot__ 19 күн бұрын
You'd be right about that. The 3G on iOS 4 is slow and missing a lot of features. Anyone with an iPhone 3G or an iPod Touch 2 should downgrade it to iPhone OS 3.1.3.
@belchy94
@belchy94 19 күн бұрын
@ your not wrong what I found werid is the 2 gen touch work better on iOS 4 then the 3G and touch got Game Center which the 3G didn’t. These devices ran better on 3.1.3
@puffyish
@puffyish 19 күн бұрын
I have a iPhone 4s on IOS 8.0 :D
@saga363
@saga363 6 күн бұрын
watching this on my iphone 7 plus running IOS 15.8.3
@user-mf9gs
@user-mf9gs 2 күн бұрын
Battery Health?
@NotWindows
@NotWindows 19 күн бұрын
can u make a video about ios 7 app store is down?
@gioxp2539
@gioxp2539 14 күн бұрын
I have an iPhone 4s running iOS 9
@EvanPang-w4i
@EvanPang-w4i 3 күн бұрын
iOS 9 sucks on the 4, it’s very slow and overheats the phone However, iOS 15 on my dad’s old 7 plus actually runs pretty good!
@Jesse78
@Jesse78 19 күн бұрын
It's really bad. weirdly enough iOS 8 is mostly fine. I daily drived an iPhone 4s with iOS 8.4.1 for about half of 2018 because my iPhone 5s was stolen at the time and for the most part it was fine for what I used it for. I don't do mobile gaming
@Bohdan_HI-TECH
@Bohdan_HI-TECH 19 күн бұрын
Restore this iPhone from DFU to fix Wi-Fi issue (if it's in software)
@iClassic
@iClassic 19 күн бұрын
Curious how that’s possible if the power button is jammed?
@Bohdan_HI-TECH
@Bohdan_HI-TECH 19 күн бұрын
@@iClassic Not possible, but fixing iPhone 4S should be really cheap
@Sykxezn
@Sykxezn 18 күн бұрын
Iphohe 6s on ios 15?
@phire4694
@phire4694 3 күн бұрын
You think that’s bad? Try the iPhone 3G on iOS 4
@EmirFaruk
@EmirFaruk 18 күн бұрын
I sold my 4s after ios 9 update. It was slow af
@karobein27
@karobein27 17 күн бұрын
I used an iPhone 4S in 2017. It was shitty. Imagine it in 2024.
@nlk294
@nlk294 19 күн бұрын
Using this phone on iOS 9 is an act of heresy.
@F1Guy1
@F1Guy1 19 күн бұрын
answer: not that bad just a bit slow not laggy just slow (at least on ios 9.3.6)
@F1Guy1
@F1Guy1 19 күн бұрын
comment posted on iphone 4s on ios 9.3.6 non jailbrokeen still watchable in 480p smoothly
@JordanPlay1
@JordanPlay1 19 күн бұрын
Mine crashes even using de camera
@Jaxx_Attacks
@Jaxx_Attacks 4 күн бұрын
that is a Iphone4 not 4s
@Unkn0wnz_anon
@Unkn0wnz_anon 8 күн бұрын
If you say this is slow you did not use a 6s on iOS 15
@jaywhite1141
@jaywhite1141 19 күн бұрын
It’s an iPhone 4s it’s running iOS 9 it’s very slow
@aesthetica-z9g
@aesthetica-z9g 17 күн бұрын
i would downgrade if my favorite apps still worked on ios 6
@FrostyModernTvMan
@FrostyModernTvMan 7 күн бұрын
iPhone 4 Slow
@LoloE39
@LoloE39 17 күн бұрын
Étant possesseur d’un iPhone 4s sous iOS 5.1.1 et d’un autre sous iOS 9.3.5 je peux confirmer que celui sous 9.3.5 est tellement lent et pratiquement inutilisable…
@wichanaothaworn9441
@wichanaothaworn9441 18 күн бұрын
Every A5 chip device that ran on iOS 9 is bad.
@mastralhassani
@mastralhassani 18 күн бұрын
1:56 why is he whispering??
@Incluatio
@Incluatio 6 күн бұрын
why are you asking??
@mastralhassani
@mastralhassani 6 күн бұрын
@@Incluatiowhy do u even bother to comment Even if idc
@Incluatio
@Incluatio 6 күн бұрын
@@mastralhassaniwhy do u even bother to respond Even if idc either
@mastralhassani
@mastralhassani 5 күн бұрын
@@Incluatiowhy do u Even bother to respond too if udc either
@Incluatio
@Incluatio 5 күн бұрын
@@mastralhassani why do u Even bother to respond to response if udc either
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