How Bad is Sigewinne? | 4.7 Phase II Banner Review

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Timestamps
0:00 Intro
0:27 Sigewinne
6:10 Furina
10:23 Noelle
15:50 Rosaria
19:03 Gaming
21:30 Overall character banner
22:28 Splendor of Tranquil Waters
23:02 Silvershower Heartstrings
25:32 4-Stars weapons
28:16 Overall weapon banner
29:52 Closing thoughts
30:31 Outro

[@colorlessguard]

everyone keeps asking WHERE is Kaveh (rightfully so) but i would also like to raise the question WHERE is Xiphos Moonlight ?!?!!! it hasn’t been featured on a banner since 3.6 as well 😭

[@CrytecNBOMB]

Oh yeah I can tell you why *Xiphos Moonlight* hasn't been around in a long time its because its only been on *Nilou* Banners

[@YungXin]

it's gonna be on nilou banner the last 2 runs of it is w key

[@vladdyru]

I simpy can't find a single rational reason behind them only rerunning it with Nilou, despite it being Alhaitham's weapon in pretty much every Sumeru cutscene and promotional material. It even has actual antisynergy with Nilou's kit - you don't even get anything from using it on her, it's borderline worthless on a character that only wants to build HP. Hoyo's marketing team, or whoever is responsible for these banner placements, is the most incompetent and fucking deranged part of this abhorrent company.

[@episode4882]

@@vladdyruChevreuse not being with Clorinde is funny

[@ThishandlefeatureISdumb]

Hoyo is annoying with 4*’s on character banner but downright stupid with 4*’s weapon banners. I’m of the opinion that 4*’s on weapon banner should, by this point, not even have rate up on 4* weapons in the standard pool (outside maybe fav cuz they are op).

[@gullugadha]

At this point I will never own a Chevreuse.

[@kailebdv]

I'm kinda glad she wasn't on this banner since I don't want to pull for Segiwine and already have furina, but I was veryyyy disappointed she wasn't on the clorinde banner but hopefully soon

[@rasna2212]

same lmao

[@Doi4in]

@@shreyanspanwar3271 Wasn't Navia with Nilou or something changed recently?

[@Boricosa]

I still don't have Kaveh

[@darylewalker6862]

@@kailebdvI was 90% expecting Chevreuse on these banners as a final FU to Clorinde fans (with Chevreuse-overload being Clorinde’s trial team).

[@RKNancy]

I am fully convinced they hapazardously converted Siegwinne to a 5 star character after seeing her popularity in 4.1 archon quest. Her kit screamed 4 star when I first saw her mechanics. But I realised she was a 5 star and ran along Chlorinde. Which meant Hoyo was gonna screw us over with Hydro application and numbers.

[@Dain_belghith]

Yeah the leakers said she was having this exact same kit with lower multipliers and she was gonna be a furina support and charlotte was supposed to ran with neuivellette but they changed their mind last minute as they wanted to have more characters with the bol mechanic so it isn’t viable on only 2 characters

[@agzane268]

She was popular? First I'm hearing of this. I mentally blocked that whole quest tho...

[@fri-cd6xy]

I think it likely due to chronicle banner, if it going to be regional themes, hoyo might want to release as many 5* as possible to fill the banner, since the archon/sovereign (or highly popular) characters most likely being excluded.

[@Vesperad0]

​@@agzane268idk if I'm a representative of people who played through that but I hated her lol, I thought the general consensus was that she was cute but...wild, at least

[@silvershoelaces3976]

The fact that we have fewer hydro 4*s than geo, the element with the fewest characters, and dendro, the element that didn’t even exist until 3.0, is a crime.

[@F_Print]

Sigewinne releasing during an abyss with heavy hydro check is 100% bait. She's terrible at applying hydro, but most people wouldn't know that until they pulled her.

[@baizhu]

the way her kit looks visually is misleading too lol. there are many people that think a lot of hydro ability = application. and when you look at sige it appears that her skill and burst apply a pretty decent amount (especially the burst), but unfortunately hoyo hates her

[@pyronado4320]

Not the first time. I was grinding teeth when chiori was new and every unaware person was talking about Playing her with navia

[@kazekori9593]

​@@pyronado4320Technically shes like 5% better than albedo even without c1? Sigewinne is just bad though.

[@wanderingsoul4103]

​​@@pyronado4320she's perfectly playable with navia tho. certainly c1 is a major upgrade but even at c0 she still outperforms albedo who was the number 1 geo pick with navia before her. not to mention that her puppet doesn't break when an enemy barely breathes in its direction unlike albedo's flower

[@pyronado4320]

@@kazekori9593 why even make albedo 2 in the first place? Is what im disappointed with

[@mike81356]

Tfw it isn’t if she’s bad, but how bad 💀

[@damselettefan]

💀😭

[@daunderrated3106]

Slowest hydro app

[@marielcarey4288]

​@@daunderrated3106hydro mc: "finally, a worthy opponent"

[@mastazenkei]

Basically hydro qiqi

[@daunderrated3106]

@@mastazenkei at least she is hydro and hydro resonance is better than cyro

[@Untiliamgone]

Kaveh is being punished for being the destroyer of the worlds

[@bryanadams4981]

Well he is pretty garbage so who cares

[@revengeofthesith.]

@@bryanadams4981true

[@loomynx]

his chinese va needed to be replaced that's why he's still not on the banner. same thing happened to fischl when oz's chinese va needed to be replaced

[@storagecrafter5701]

@@loomynx I have no idea about this. Are you implying Kaveh cn va getting the same scandal like Oz cn va one?

[@loomynx]

@@storagecrafter5701 based on what i've looked into, yes he also cheated on his wife and was let go and needed to be replaced.

[@alatus_knight]

I love how the title doesn't sugarcoat anything💀

[@ryneis]

that’s why I love Zajef

[@CM_684]

​​@@ryneis no homo, right? RIGHT???

[@fuhi4080]

The moment when it isn't: "How GOOD is a character" but rather: "How *BAD* is this character?" LMAOOO

[@R4vel]

I'm now remembering that person on X, the platform formerly known as Twitter that said "unironically silvershower heartstrings isn’t such a bad weap to lose to if your yelan doesn’t have aqua simulacra yet" Aware

[@Wth2242]

Slingshot. Aware.

[@Ironsuaba]

In terms of Yelan's theoretical damage, that person is right. In terms of actually using Yelan, Favge.

[@neo.3]

5% improvement over slingshot om

[@pyronado4320]

Unrelated but do you know that Xbalanque is actually pronounced as twitter - bal - an - kay

[@decasuffrage9021]

dont give musk any credit. it's only known as X by fools

[@Zenzen-senpai]

We could have gotten a hydro bubble shielder but instead we got another hydro healer

[@cleo61]

we got robbed

[@mickysaif]

mihoyo trying not to release 58 cryo and hydro defensive options challenge: impossible

[@zatherog]

I don't know why Hoyoverse sees team healing as a too powerful strength for a character to have, so much that they have to tone down almost every other thing they have going for to zero.

[@Froggycolouring]

Jean. Can shred enemy res with vv, charged attack immobilises small enemies (same for skill), and scaling off atk gives powerful na which also heal the whole team. Charlotte too, has amazing cryo application (especially for a 4*) and has some nice cons, plus doesn’t take up much field time

[@agiant5715]

Xianyun allows vv sherd too while opening up plunge meta for any dps making almost all claymores great dpses + ones that rely alot on reactions like hu tao due to plunge having 0 ICD

[@binqilinbinqilinbinqilin]

@@agiant5715i have cloud retainer she’s clunky to play.

[@agiant5715]

@binqilinbinqilinbinqilin i get u especially if shes an onfielder for a bit, but as for me having her at c0r0, my rotation for her is doing the teams setup 1st then swith to her, press E one or 3 times rapidly depending on if i need grouping or not, press na which is great cus she auto targets and lastly Q then switch to my plunging dps. Basically I use her the same way someone uses jean/mika in a furina team so shes not onfield long enough to feel the junkness. Although if youe talkinf about the plunging after then I 100% get you it can be very jaring

[@skylernguyen8600]

So we ask "How BAD was Sigewinne actually?" And in this video we'll be going over these competitive format 4.7 - 4.7

[@Wizard_Lizard_]

The fact that you did this on a Sunday is perfect 😂

[@rasna2212]

I'm not a native speaker and I'm confused as hell to what are this comment and the first reply talking about.

[@kazekori9593]

​@@rasna2212i think it's a reference to a channel called False Swipe Gaming. Their videos are all formatted like the comment.

[@tejendrachettri5970]

Ayyy fellow False Swipe fan spotted in the wild.

[@yuvx8516]

Damn didn't know that she can be that bad while leaning good supporting move like encore, follow me, healing wish. Water fairy typing too

[@LauraJinkins-pi8sv]

Should’ve made sigewinne buff the amount of entities on field (oz , yae totem, furina pets) that would give her some uniqueness

[@tristanmanalo6252]

Bruhh that would even be more niche than she already is 💀💀💀 For now she is not that bad in her niche, buffing elemental skill is great if she can buff it a lot higher than golden troupe can but she isn't. Imagine many current characters have great elemental skill dmg like Fischl, Albedo, Yae, Nahida, Furina, Navia, Chiori. If there would be additional elemental skill offielder character in the future then sigewinne will only just age like wine

[@LauraJinkins-pi8sv]

@@tristanmanalo6252 the point is she’s boring. She has no real uniqueness other than the bubble mechanic and that’s it. It doesn’t have to be versatile just unique imo

[@tristanmanalo6252]

@@LauraJinkins-pi8sv Ahh I see, that's very subjective then. I mean at least for me, all of her kit feels unique, she's just bad that's all 😅😅😅

[@agiant5715]

In the very early leaks i thought she would give the onfielder BOL which would have been huge for arlecchino/chorline or even atleast made their signature weapons more useable by other dpses. Missed opportunity i think by mihoyo

[@Axterix13]

@@tristanmanalo6252 Her buffing has synergy with Troupe, though, so the existence of Troupe increases her value, rather than diminishing it. Problem is, she isn't worth using for that purpose even with Troupe existing. Her design just has no vision, no goal behind it. They decided she was a nurse and hydro, and then kind of slapped her kit together from there, before topping it off with some forced in BoL that adds nothing of value to her kit.

[@Jose-or3hq]

Now THIS is a character of all time

[@King_Pyjamas]

including both sigewinne and hydro MC, we have 13 playable hydro characters, but only 3 of them are 4* (if we consider hydro MC as a 5*). sigewinne should have been a 4*

[@hurricanekingnaruto]

She actually was planned to be a 4-star but got upgraded to 5-star status, and I don't know why

[@lolidemon3163]

​@@hurricanekingnaruto she was never a 4* in production. That was a rumor someone made who wasn't in the leaks department. She was always going to be a 5*

[@thiagobarroso1119]

If her heal wasn't party-wide I could legitimately just see this word for word as a 4*, maybe with worse cons at most

[@tristanmanalo6252]

​@@lolidemon3163bruhh I remember back in 2020 leaks, Hu Tao was supposed to be a 4 star but upgraded by Hoyoverse to be 5 star 😅😅😅

[@giangtrinhtruong7952]

Hydro is too strong to be 4* and not bring back much money from players, sadly

[@l4ur158]

Quick extra note: zajuf forgot to mention but favonius codex is also a very good option on xianyun that is decently energy hungry

[@lostblueboy]

...yep...if you are one of the unfortunate souls who doesnt have oathsworn though.

[@TJF588]

@@lostblueboy I got going in 2.8, so the gacha gods have seen fit to cast mercy on me for an R5 Fav. Codex to grant upon the Retainer~

[@agiant5715]

Fr without being an OG player or getting her signature, xianyun almost never bursts without fav (nvm most of her teams r energy intensive like gaming and furina). Or atleast makes it very difficult to built up both enough atk and ER

[@sonaoanh9671]

​@@agiant5715my Xianyun with R5 Oathsworn Eye, without being OG: can you shut up man?

[@agiant5715]

@sonaoanh9671 why the hostility? You do know your talking about an event only weapon which was given in ver 2.5 in the start of 2022 which im sure most of the players still active didnt play during it. Or atleast me personally

[@anasai1728]

o7 to that one guy saying he'll 3 star first chamber of abyss with sigewinne.

[@tristanmanalo6252]

At C0 Sigewinne is not a DPS, how can they 3 star abyss with just Sigewinne?

[@yashprakharpant343]

​@@tristanmanalo6252idk c6r5

[@anasai1728]

@@tristanmanalo6252 not as a dps but as a support who can apply a lot of hydo for the pyro shields

[@fabiodias4256]

Thing is.. pyro abiss is on the 2nd half 😂

[@GoldenNara60]

It's still the first chamber, even if they're on second half

[@marblepants]

on the Noelle CA explanation, the fade from editor picture to zajeffs painting was so funny 💀💀

[@Indian_gae_boii]

First we had the donut, then we had green donut, and now we have bownut. I dont get why hoyo keeps sabotaging furinas banners like this....i would have much preffered if furina and chlorinde ran together with chevruse and kaveh as the 4 stars and gaming too, surely this banner would have generated a lot more revenue

[@lolidemon3163]

How is it sabotaging wen this is furina's 2nd banner and not 3rd?

[@lolidemon3163]

Kaveh is absolute garbage, he would not have brought any sales

[@Indian_gae_boii]

​@@lolidemon3163maybe, but he's a beloved fan favourite, and he's a 4 star so people won't have any guilt about pulling him because of the fact whereas a bad 5 star is a tough decision, like siegwine here, yeah she's cute but i doubt most people want her

[@Indian_gae_boii]

​@@lolidemon3163 furinas first weapon banner with green donut and 2nd one with bownut...two terrible weapons to be paired with the banner for the "archon" of the nation

[@lolidemon3163]

@Indian_gae_boii not really, getting a 4* can sometimes be harder than getting a 5*, (i've seen ppl get c2 of the 5* in the banner before getting a single copy of the 4* they want). A good counter argument would be ppl who memed abt eula coming bak and wanting her, and yet eula mains barely if ever increased

[@knicklichtjedi]

11:40 HAhaha the difference between editor graphics and Zajeff graphics is great xD

[@CoolerEnMoto]

I think this will be the first time that a rerun character will end up selling more than the new character, I have seen almost no hype for Sigewinne while for Furina almost everyone is crazy.

[@Kreypossukr]

Any archon rerun really

[@intravenous6327]

Esp since so many are seemingly gonna go for furina's c2

[@lolidemon3163]

I personally hate furina ngl, would have pulled for sige if she was actually good. Hoyo really hates sige though for 0 reason. She didn't deserve to be worse than dehya

[@tristanmanalo6252]

Any banner in the same phase with the Archon banner never really sells that well. Like how it's been with Yoimiya in the past 😅😅😅

[@poggeraxolotl]

def not the first time lmao

[@spiralabbysrundown6033]

Honestly, it seems like Sigewine will get the hate Kokomi got when she was released, but this time it seems kind off justified.

[@AnaBacanazp]

As someone who pulled kokomi on her release and has c1 and donut and is going to pull sigewinne and try to get her weapon….I did expect kokomi to not be bad and then she got better and it was great and I never benched her. Rn, looking at sigewinne’s kit, I’m worried about how I’ll make her work and lamenting she doesn’t have off field application to use on funny kids only team. Seriously disappointed with her kit. I will try to make dps sigewinne tho, only because my barbara has the most broken healer clam set rn with impossibly high crit for no crit main stats

[@IrrelevantOaf]

Watch Hoyo make a busted niche artifact set for Sigewinne in the future. Think like the Fragment of Harmonic Whimsy Set for Arlecchino but worse.

[@3.16music]

It was justified with Kokomi, but maybe people were too harsh to her

[@kimkardashi-un2.051]

​@@3.16music not really, people keep bringing up her negative crit stat as if she was designed to be a hyper carry

[@alexket8403]

@@3.16music lol how was it justified? she's not the best character in the game but people were talking about her like she's complete trash, and that is not "too harsh" that is "entirely wrong"

[@minatol2713]

Watch how people gon play Yelan with Sigewinne bow 😂 😂😂😂

[@el7284]

And then convince themselves that "they don't play meta"

[@mikkunmikkichi3762]

​@@el7284how is it meta if yelan cant make use of the weapon passive ? Man, youre as smart as those people who would try to use this on yelan. Yelan's weapon are sac bow for c0 and aqua for c1. Then there's also that support venti bow.

[@ipeeontheworld]

i hate that they feel forced to release a new char every patch and then give us some boring garbage instead of expanding on already existing characters with skins or more lore/story

[@pyronado4320]

Bro they need a daweillion dollars just to even out the game's operating expenses cut them some slack 😢

[@tenderandmoist5011]

Fr we are aproaching 3 banner system already, each character takes 2 years to rerun

[@tristanmanalo6252]

​@@pyronado4320what do you mean? Skin will give more money than new characters right? I mean skin is paid to get while characters are f2p friendly

[@DefinitelyNotAFerret]

They know the die hard whales will c6r5 absolute garbage, so why bother trying to make every character good lmfao

[@pyronado4320]

@@tristanmanalo6252 depends on which character gets skin but a character that has 6 constellations a signature to r5 will get more money out of whales than a single skin and whales are where 75-80% income comes from

[@pixzeyl]

sigewinne pre release, basically

[@Error-hg6jn]

Xxcl

[@parkerdavis7859]

Would love to see Sigewinne on the standard banner. Feels like she’s begging to be put there. Given that she actually seems to serve *some* purpose unlike Qiqi who literally just got her first team with Clorinde, I’d like to get natural high constellation Sigewinne.

[@andersnfabiano]

Sigewinne's weapon is one weird looking donut

[@asterion3587]

I don't know if it matters much, but Rosaria has excellent vertical invesment thanks to Cyno's weapon and how much she can increase her damage due to having no ICD in her entire kit. The Burning set also improved her a bit more in that niche, and probably Emilie+Bennett C6 will be a good team core (regardless of circle impact).

[@giangtrinhtruong7952]

Rosaria is a Cryo Xiangling, except Cryo is in a worse state compare to Pyro right now

[@asterion3587]

@@giangtrinhtruong7952 Natlan Hopium 🙏

[@JustChill_6]

How well would u rate her without staff of scarlet sanda

[@asterion3587]

@@JustChill_6 Decent teams (reverse melt, dual reverse melt and Gaming Melt), SSS only increase alot her damage for reverse melt.

[@mickysaif]

even without the weapon she also has dragon's bane which is really strong for rev melt

[@normal6483]

Bond of Life is turning into what everyone feared Ousia/Pneuma would be

[@darkatmos8877]

Fr

[@giangtrinhtruong7952]

Can you explain a bit? I dont understand

[@2khoursonhunter]

Maybe if you had a way to give your team members bond of liwe it would but right now i dont think so

[@SuperBeanSquad]

It's not in any way, but okay. People were afraid of Pneuma/Ousia because of the possibility that enemies could have mechanics which forced you to use characters with the appropriate Arkhe to counter them, but in practice it turned out that in most cases it was _more_ awkward to "counter" them than to just play normally. Bond is just a gimmick attached to a few characters that's resulted in a few weapons and one artifact set not being versatile. It's not at all analogous.

[@lihavalokki5705]

BoL can be just straight up ignored if you don't have units that use it. The reason why people were skeptical of Ousia and Pneuma was that it could have potentially let Mihoyo create hard checks in Abyss for specific characters, by allowing strong enemies to be killed significantly faster if you attack them with either Ousia or Pneuma. The worst case scenario would have been comparable to HSR requiring you to have coverage for 6 different elements or having a specific character that MoCs or PFs can cater to in that game. Gladly that didn't happen though, as both Ousia and Pneuma can be completely ignored outside of overworld puzzles, which still usually provide an external scource for both mechanics.

[@Restributordevill]

Sigewinn is legit so bad unless they make a super specific niche artifact set for her or raise a level cap to 100 and give her a good passive…

[@lolidemon3163]

The fact she is lower than dehya is just sad

[@IrrelevantOaf]

Dehya: Finally a worthy opponent! Our battle will be legendary!

[@lolidemon3163]

@@IrrelevantOaf can't help but laugh at this joke

[@fancymustache3793]

​@@IrrelevantOaf the most legendary SNOOZE FEST I wish I wasnt forced to see

[@jijidu69]

Not even a mid off, it's a low off

[@jyusatsu]

At this point I feel like Sigewinne is supposed to be a 4* but genshin dev changed their minds and made her a 5* with that kit just for the lols. Ngl I'm tempted to go for Furina cons given how much I used her with different teams and boost them. But I've been wanting to get Nilou and she's almost sure to have a rerun 😢

[@jyusatsu]

I used Rosaria for the first time in abyss with Neuvilette/Kazu/ZL on 2nd half for the semi-freeze and I swear it made my Hydro pumps hit better especially against those teleporting rifthounds. For Noelle, I'm just waiting to get her last con to c6 so I can play her and for Gaming, I had fun playing him but it didn't last long.

[@sekaiomiruhitokaminoyume5426]

The new QiQi hydro

[@personman5156]

All of the issues he mentioned about Gaming's kit literally don't apply the more invested you are into him. Definitely just talking about a gaming who is like C0-C2 and lacks all the right teammates/artifacts. I feel like I could say this about almost anyone in the game. "You don't hear people talk about him" yeah because he's working, if he weren't you'd be hearing about it. You don't hear people talk about most characters, especially 4 stars if they aren't part of the main 5 from launch. I don't mean to run hard defense for Gaming cause I'm not like a huge fan or anything, but I use him in the right setup and he performs just fine, and he's pretty fun too. I feel like Zajef just throws out strays at anything that isn't bennett/fischl/xiangling/xingqiu/sucrose because its not technically wrong but its not how most of us see the game :/

[@Edrigangr]

Zajefs advice caters exclusively towards F2P, relatively new (2-4mo acc) and especially those that are trying to 36* as soon as possible, in order to get access to more primogems. Taking that into consideration, Gaming is terrible compared to XL since he's not in the shop, can't use "The Catch". his cons are strictly gacha outside of Lantern Rite and you're not even picking him there since XQ is also there. Yaoyao is also there and so is Beidou, both 4* options ranked a lot higher than Gaming, with Yaoyao only needing C0 to be amazing. This banner is actually bad not because its missing just the 5 you mentioned but because it also has no Kuki, Yaoyao or Beidou all 3 of which function amazing well in the C0-C2 category.

[@vorpal1174]

He very explicitly says multiple times that high cons make him alot better

[@agiant5715]

Dont forget hesa new 4* with only 1 banner run so far. Anyone who already c6ed him is either very lucky or an extreme whale. Heck the only reason i even have one copy is because the lantern rite as I remember i didn't want either of the 5* s he was running with him and im not at all F2P. So the criticism on his problems to watch out for at c0 r quite important to mention.

[@thechocowizard]

zajef also is addicted to swirling perfectly so that's also affecting his view of vape dpses

[@Axterix13]

He's a DPS four star. That's why nobody talks about him. Sure, everyone has the four star DPS they like (for Zajef, it's Razor, while for me, it is Ning), but just, in general, a four star DPS is too outclassed by readily available five star DPS types.

[@usuitakumi4210]

Really appreciate this thank youuu

[@Neogi]

Did I just witness Zajeff giving a 'must pull' list? It only took 4 years..... looking for must pull 5* weapons/cons in the next few years.

[@labibrashidinan9868]

None, that's the answer, cons and weapons are basically never a "must pull" :'v

[@cleod7439]

There are no must pull 5* weapon, and even less must pulls 5* constellations

[@apanaama3703]

Idk I haven't used Furina to 36* past few abyss. Mostly because I want to overload one side and the other side needs so much hydro I didn't bother to put her in my hyperbloom team. On the other hand I used Nahida and Yelan a lot recently but not few patches ago. Conclusion is there's no real need to use a particular unit.

[@davidcarba7829]

The Donut Catalyst has evolved into a Marzipan Croissant Bow

[@malevolentmoose]

Honestly after seeing the 4-stars I'm just glad I have pity.

[@whatisbow2865]

Gotta be the first bad 5 star hydro character lmao.

[@EbiraLeo]

The format is great, keep it up!

[@sanda888]

I like how the title is not even "is she good or bad", but "how bad is she".

[@nickpayet5396]

These reviews are amazing

[@RafaelBanks69]

great banner for me as a Noelle main

[@aryaneddie]

Thank you for the video

[@thatoneartist24]

I love watching your videos when I have already formed an opinion of my own as to whether I’m going to pull or not, and I wanna see somebody I look up to and repeat my own opinion thank you. Keep it up mr 77

[@Mordred_King]

How bad is Sigewinne? YES

[@zetlooker5838]

Cool video!

[@Punchbadguy]

Good video, covers pretty much everything and throws in a lil demo for Noelle

[@AevyCh]

Can you cancel Sigewinne's Burst by jumping? (like Dehya)

[@tristanmanalo6252]

Then. Just don't use it I guess? 😅😅😅

[@Mai-df8sv]

@@tristanmanalo6252 burst in general can prevent u from getting one shot tho

[@Kariouling]

Still love the longer banner reviews, especially for the weapon banner.

[@bluuuecheeese_]

KAVEH WHERE (thank you mr zajef this was very enjoyable)

[@gericjohnm.olivar9563]

sigewienne will be yoimiya 2.0 (sales wise). A character that isn't hyped much, while in a rerunned archon banner altogether.

[@r.d.6290]

It's a different situation. Yoimiya is a good character, she just reruns along op characters and archons all the time, so the f2p and reasonable spenders don't choose her over them. Sigewinne is just not worth pulling at all, she is like Sayu or Dori level but made a 5 star for some unreasonable reason.

[@cleod7439]

​@@r.d.6290emmm no, yoimiya is not a good character in any means. Yoimiya teams don't even surpass xiangling, gaming or diluc teams as a carry. She is as bad as sigewinne as a 5*.

[@hiimapop7755]

Actually wild that you claim that Yoimiya is as​ bad as Sigewinne. @@cleod7439

[@Nawrwhale]

​@@r.d.6290 a single target character with an average team dps and no survivability trait is not a good character. she *was* good at a time because the standard wasn't any high.

[@kingkongsta4051]

I built Noelle c6 ages ago and was underwhelmed but she’s still cool and I’ve always loved her design and character. I hope I win 50/50 with furina since I lost it last time she was around😂😭 good luck to everyone else on their pulls!😁

[@vladdyru]

It honestly feels like Hoyoverse was infiltrated by Kuro saboteurs, because what the actual fuck are these recent 4 star placements?

[@yoiko89]

Self insert kuro again stop it

[@Apate-]

By who saboteurs? Genuinely asking?

[@Indian_gae_boii]

They don't want to sell furina apparently, I don't get why hoyo keeps hammering themselves in the foot, if they added chevruse, kaveh and then gaming then their banner sales would surely be slightly higher....surely they aren't saving chevruse to run with navia and nilou who are great but not a pull priority for players... Same with the weapon banner like wtf are they thinking why do they keep sabotaging furinas banners 💀💀💀

[@RavenShugo]

You are not their preferred audience. The real hoyo fans will swipe and swallow any blob they get and praise it. It was always like this, just now we finally have a worthy competition for normies to open their eyes.

[@useless9807]

​@@Indian_gae_boii i love kaveh sm but he would not boost their sales😭

[@abzalonga]

I feel so bad for people who wanted Furina weapon because it looks amazing, having the first banner with Baizhu weapon and the rerun with Sigewinne bow :( next Furina rerun she whill probably came with Kokomi, or even Barbara

[@el7284]

Wanderer mains: first time?

[@agiant5715]

My theory is that because the other options dmg numbers are close enough, they know meta players are less likely to pull (especially because every con up to c3 is both cheaper to get and better dmg numberswise) so they r banking on ppl pulling for the drip. Usually they r the same ppl who pay for the skins with hard cash so less likely to stop after losing 25/75 to a very crappy weapon.

[@Axterix13]

It isn't just Furina. As they make five star weapons more and more tailored to specific characters, this issue just happens more and more. And, sure, some aren't as bad all around, but regardless, overly niche five star weapons combined with the stupid way the weapon banner works...

[@jabez3622]

Key is better anyway and more valuable

[@Liana-bh8vd]

im a little sad that she's not good for abyss bc it would be funny. but she's really cute so i still want her lol

[@hiimapop7755]

Can't wait to get my C2 Furina next banner. I don't have enough for soft pity right now, but I am guaranteed at the very least.

[@darkdude1996ify]

Man, I knew I was gonna get _some_ mileage out of Key when I pulled for Jade Cutter at the time, but I genuinely didn't think I'd get THIS much out of it. 2 Keys before I got my Jade Cutter, but I somehow use those 2 Keys more than the Jade Cutter I went for. Kirara, Layla, Kuki and Furina are all fighting over my 2 Keys, while my half-benched Xingqiu is holding on to my PJC with no one else caring about that weapon, basically *at all.*

[@corbeau175]

I am fr so salty abt the weapon banner I've been saving for Furina for half a year and I really wanted to get her weapon but NOT LIKE THIS I refuse to risk getting a useless bow spending my wishes on cons instead

[@plvto1]

same here, smh

[@agiant5715]

Join us in the dark side. Forget the drip just get her c1-c2 and run her with a fishing metal pipe that may give her tetanus instead lol.

[@marcusaurelius4777]

The silver lining as a C6 haver is: the constellations esp. up to C4 are RIDICULOUSLY powerful. Like, almost to the point where I can't understand how outrageous the power spikes are. It's truly something. I would say that Furina is the only character truly, sincerely worth getting cons for if you ever care to do so. Nahida's C2 is great and all that...but Furina works with so many characters you will feel her power always.

[@corbeau175]

@@marcusaurelius4777 you've got a point, my guy. It's the better investment and I'm looking forward to it

[@agiant5715]

@marcusaurelius4777 same for your exact reasons. While im not even close to c6, furina is my only limited 5* not c0 (shes c2). Just mainly, because I love horizontal investment way more than vertical ones, but as you said, each of her cons really benefits many teams, so it's closer to pulling extra different 5* support characters.

[@robotprincess1711]

the thing about sigewinne is that shes cute as hell. and thats why im trying to pull her

[@robotprincess1711]

what am i doing in a theorycrafter comment section

[@yapyongliang7665]

​@@robotprincess1711 I am confused at your comment as you are.

[@CK-sn2vj]

I would like to say - I dropped C3 Gaming back on his first banner and since that I did every single abyss with him in my teams, 12 9* (with 30s+ left almost every time). I highly recommend him for people like me - bored with many strong 5* characters.

[@Cinnamowo]

What a nice patch, I sure hope both characters I was waiting for since 4.0 won’t suck

[@drekhunter]

Both? Sige is one who's the other?

[@nevergonnagiveyouupnevergo2795]

@@drekhunterclorinde prob.

[@personman5156]

I feel like characters that come late into regions are almost doomed to be mediocre if they aren't being specifically setup for a future meta. Arlecchino definitely being the exception here.

[@maxwellstylez]

@@personman5156 Kazuha was the last character before Inazuma and Yelan came out at the same time that Chlorine did before Sumeru

[@chihaotran1568]

​@@personman5156Kazuha and Yelan kewk

[@gengen_cmr]

biggest bennett fan saying furina is overrated classic

[@blumenmupfel]

Sigewinne might be bad, but she is baby, and I will try my best to build a team with her and my C1 Wriothesley. Maybe Freeze with Shenhe. It doesn't have to be Floor 12 viable, Floor 11 is fine :)

[@peachmizuki]

I feel Zajef had his mind made up before even beginning analysis. There is a lot of value in characters that heal on their E-skill rather than burst. There is a lot of value in healers that don't need to stay onfield to team heal. There is a lot of value in team healing instead of just onfield healing. Even when taken as a healer with no other kit, this is something that puts Sigewinne in a category with literally only one other healer so far, and that's Baizhu. She has synergy with turret characters like Furina, Fischl, Chiori. She makes orbs that synergize with Neuvilette (and Hydro MC lol). She has Bond of Life mechanics that work with Arlecchino and Chevreuse. She can trap enemies in her bubbles like Hydro abyss mages (which is not necessarily a good thing). None of that gets a passing mention. But hey, I guess if everything is "does this character shift the meta for Spiral Abyss" then I guess that's enough to skip 80% of the characters.

[@honeynutcheerios8830]

are u trolling

[@user-om3uy3bx9k]

Too wise words for this comment section.🙏

[@jihyoooo6172]

I can't see any scenario where you'd pull for her except if you have furina or like her design and character

[@TJF588]

Time to sit on getting Rosaria (and Gaming) constellations until we see what the 4.8 first phase has.

[@latioshunter]

This had me double checking, but now i realized Splendor and Silvershower are part of a small group of 5☆ weapons that dont have an unconditional passive (passive that is 100% active just by equipping the weapon.) Others include Crimson Moon (Arle weapon), Beacon of Reed Sea (Dehya weapon, you'd need to attack or be hit to trigger the passive), Jadefall Splendor (Baizhu's, need to use burst or create a shield to trigger a passive), Primordial Jade (need to hit an opponent), and Crane Echoin Call (Xianyun's need to use plunging to trigger passive)

[@a-non6238]

Beacon in practice is at least easy to get and maintain that skill hit stack on most characters giving it a lot of users while most of the other weapons without unconditional passive are pretty limited in who can activate them. Also Beacon’s only crit competition for most is Serpent Spine which has a field time requirement to stack. Lost Prayer also only gets damage with field time (that falls off on switch unlike SS) as movement speed has no impact on damage so I feel like it should be an honorary member of the conditional club.

[@stewie_]

I'll do some pulls. Maybe I'll have an early lucky pull, but for the first time, I feel bad not pulling for a character. I like Sigewinne a lot.

[@mormegil84]

Spent all my primos on Clorinde and her weapon, and thankfully have Furina already, so I'll just save for Emilie.

[@marupurusaivamsi4802]

Question is is she ahead of time(they keep can't keep doing this shit) or will be a another dehya ?.

[@mikkunmikkichi3762]

Seems like sigge is just furina's sarah but with a false 5* label.

[@Zoalde]

Isn't Splendor also Nilou's BiS in her On-Field dps teams?

[@tristanmanalo6252]

Yes it is

[@luminous3558]

what a cursed thing to say

[@cleod7439]

I mean, the only decent nilou on field teams are with her at C6, so i suppose its her best weapon? But at that point is not relevant what weapon you're using anyways.

[@rubyknights5885]

Somehow someway, the new healer is going to break everything

[@supercala332]

The continued trend of shipping out interesting characters with very underwhelming kits and modifiers continues....

[@sacara94]

Love the long format!!!

[@campeopeocam]

she is kinda in between having wide-team healing like qiqi or jean but in a steady manner unlike their bursts, so she is kinda like off field wide time healing ? (her e skill does not last that long) clunky but if they extend her e skill duration she would be better

[@kimarimoi]

Basically: get Furina if you don't have her, get Sigewinne if you want her regardless of usefulness, go for weapons if you're a C6 Sig gigawhale. Otherwise, skip. I would have tried for Furina C2 if the 4-stars were good, but... yeah. She will get at least one rerun in 5.X anyway.

[@Froggycolouring]

Dehya and Qiqi has a new friend in the unwanted characters shelter at least

[@canaldecasta]

Why Mihoyo hates support for Claymore CA? Cmon Hoyo let me have fuuun

[@Sirindilable]

Nobody is really necessary. Last year i skipped Nahida despite the immense level of psychosis around her. This year i skipped f.urina. and nothing happens, still doing my abyss 36. waiting for Natlan. So if she doesn't fit into your waifu factor - feel free to skip. She'll be just another unit after a year. Just like Nahida today.

[@the_meerkat1386]

I really wanted to pull for sigewinne for her character, and design. So its really sad that she's seems to just be a glorified qiqi upgrade.

[@damselettefan]

i feel like the next furina rerun will be with kokomi…..

[@haruhiiragi6324]

the C1 needed a lot more talk, it doesnt buff her own damage like the video implies. it Buffs her skill dmg buffing ability substantially, which is a unique feature shared by no1

[@anonymousborb]

just gonna say as a c6 furina haver, i put her on fav more often than i play her with her signature weapon. its just way comfier

[@quyha7434]

*In Saw's voice: "Your final challenge... Let your bih Sigewinne be your solo hydro and clear chamber 12-1 second half"

[@bjornnilsson2941]

"This (weapon) banner is bad for Furina mains, not worth pulling on" Yeah well it wasn't much better last time around either. Hoyo just counting on players taking a brick and keep pulling until they get the weapon. 36-ish percent chance of catastrophe is pretty bad, but it seems I don't have a choice but to gamble. The Key would be an option I guess but that thing hates me, I've missed it twice. At least I'm guaranteed c2 Furina so I'll start there. I'll be able to get to pity once on the weapon banner most likely before I run out of gems.

[@nk30020]

She's a better neuvillete at c6.....I had a stroke

[@bootstrap925]

its sigeover...

[@weiseklinge]

Now I kinda want to build my C6 Noelle. Cuz I have Chiori with cons, Furina and C6 Gorou, I always felt like Navia is just better, but Noelles AOE feels unqiue enough to give it a shot 🤔

[@zzzzzygaming]

Glad to see Zajef giving some props to Noelle! Dont agree with the CA playstyle tho. A little positioning will do the job for the extra damage :D only the N4 is narrow but has the juiciest dmg aside plunge 😊

[@darkdude1996ify]

For weapon banner reviews, I'd love if you went more in-depth on whether the 4*s are good for people that have been playing for a while. In other words, assume they have R1 or R2 for limited 4* weapons and R5 for non limited ones. It feels like a lot of assessments would change. Fav weapons and limited weapons would be a lot more valuable than weapons like Rust or Lion's Roar for example, since those are weapons that you get to R5 once and then you don't care about additional copies after that. It would also make Dragon's Bane one of the worst weapons out there (after most Claymores) since everything beyond R1 is useless for 95% of players. Basically, whether weapons are worth building if you've already pulled on a fair amount of weapon banners.

[@iFINNIX]

I’m getting her bow for Diona 😂

[@LegendaryRyu]

I think Zongli needs a mention in the big account add. Bro gatekeeps good shielding single handedly. I don't think a circle around you is inherently better than a circle in front of you. But... Genshin's autotargetting is complete shit. GOOD REVIEW.

[@alexket8403]

nah he's the best shielder, but good shielding is available via layla, and, arguably, kirara

[@43z24]

I heard that she got hotfix buffed today about charge attack scaling a little bit om

[@edgarortiz7624]

aye eakes mention

[@Julliangg]

Dang, I was kinda interested with Our First Hydro Shielder (With C2) but its not what I thought lol

[@fmaia9]

Standard Banner looking character

[@Kronman590]

So as someone who likes Sigewinne but has Kokomi - is Sigewinne just a nothing pull metawise?

[@incognitoman9420]

i’m surprised you didn’t cover furina c6 if what you said is her main downside (having to run a teamwide healer) is completely erased by it. how does she compare to the top 5*s (kazuha, nahida, etc) at that point?

[@agiant5715]

Not even c6 btw, even her c2 basically lets her max out her fanfare with any mediocre healer (i tested mine with both nahida on pamber r5 and bennett and both worked great). But remember that zarjf is mainly a channel for f2p, low spenders and very rarely even talks about +c3 lvl cons. He probably only talked about sigween c6 potential because shes still not released and many if not most ppl would have no idea about it at this time. As for your point of how she compares to other top 5* at c6 i think it's safe to also compare those ones at the same c6 lvl. Ofc she can beat nahida/kazhua dps potential at c6 but those characters are still usually still supports even in whale teams. Sadly if your whaling for a c6 character as a dps then there r much better top choices including arlecchino, nevuillete..etc. Funny thing is how even yelan's c6 which has the same "offielder turned into onfielder" gimmick does more dmg than furina's.

[@incognitoman9420]

@@agiant5715 i don’t consider c6 furina an on fielder at all, the good part about this constellation is the healing the damage is a bonus (pneuma mode isn’t realistically usable). i was asking more of how much value she brings to an account at c6 vs other top tier 5*s at c6, since her cons scaling is much superior than them my furina is c4 and while c2 does allow you to run any mediocre healer, c6 allows you to run literally no healer making her an insane one slot buffer that basically keeps your team at 100% all the time despite her drain. on top of this you get her damage from both pets and her (ousia) hits.

[@rasna2212]

Has he ever talk into detail about a 5* character's C6? I think it's just not his target audience at that point, since Zajef has always been f2p oriented.

[@incognitoman9420]

@@rasna2212 he has

[@yewwizz]

C6 constellations on five stars can sometimes change gameplay, rotations and even BiS artifacts/builds. Which while interesting, isn’t something zajeff has ever really done as he’s f2p focused. I think he gives a general overview of C0 to C6 constellations of a five star upon release but as far as I can remember he doesn’t do more than that. I don’t think he even personally tests c6 cons.

[@squallleonhart1463]

Which is the strongest Noelle team without furina?