Is This The Hardest Abyss? | Genshin Impact 4.7 Meta Roundup

[@FlameSparkZ]

Honestly, I'd rather fight two waves of consecrated beasts than deal with four waves of mobs, each spawning at a different ends of the arena...

[@apanaama3703]

When you realise your AoE isn't AoE enough, and your cooldowns and ER matters.

[@ixirion]

second part Nahida/Furina/XQ, Kuki is very ez team. you dont care about waves and evaporate lectors shields

[@diazpramudita5165]

I'd rather fight 4 waves of duo element Consecrated Beast, it's quite fun fighting Concecrated Beast. They're the only interesting non-boss enemy we have in Abyss so far.

[@JosepiThe13th]

@@diazpramudita5165This is the most true take of them all, and people who hate Consecrated Beasts just hate fun challenge.

[@diazpramudita5165]

@@JosepiThe13th I see, you're a man of culture as well.

[@keqling7086]

idk why they felt the need to add the wolves back anyone sneezes and they're outside the map

[@el7284]

Skill iss- *Gets sniped

[@francoisnze-maure5084]

So that you feel the need for healing, which makes them sell Clorinde, Sigewinne, Furina and even Nilou after

[@yahia5476]

I hecking love double hydro Charlotte

[@Schwibzik]

​@@francoisnze-maure5084Furina healing? XD

[@samuelchensantoso9677]

nah, but He isn't wrong because corrosion is just free Furina skill(drain hp), which mean You can potentially use the heal one or just brute force and use the usual tbh​@@Schwibzik

[@Wizard_Lizard_]

Real talk, this Abyss' difficulty is pretty much entirely because of how 12-1-1 and 12-1-2 are set up.

[@ghetoknight7801]

idk man,, atimos is just so scarryy grrrr dorito

[@wall6587]

True, it took me so long to do first chamber, while the other 2 took me 5 attempts max, why do they keep doinf this to us 😢

[@hopwaffles]

If you use hyperbloom youre not gonna have a problem in this abyss lol

[@wall6587]

@@hopwaffles It was on the other side lol

[@stylerxo3654]

That's why I always go in first time with a team for the final chamber(s), and worry about the first one later. Easier clears. I was able to easily full clear the back 2 chambers with Clorinde Aggravate first half and Wriothesely/Furina/KaOo/Mika second half. Then I changed Mika for Yelan on the bottom side and fucked shit up there, too.

[@basil4047]

The difference between this and the other abyss that was aggregious multiwave and cryo sheildbreaking is that pyro has a very robust 4 star roster and jean, bennett, and xiangling as all 1.0 units are characters it is safe to expect most players to have by now. By contrast, hydro is the most premium element by a longshot, having essentially 1.75 usable 4 stars and like 8 limited 5 stars.

[@megalith7796]

I beg to differ. I don't have Jean after 1071 days of playing. And I play with a xl handicap. 3.7 abyss was THE toughest for me ever, and the only abyss I wasn't able to 36* since I started doing 36* regularly.

[@JosepiThe13th]

Hell, Xiangling is literally free *from* Abyss.

[@drekhunter]

@@megalith7796 If by Xiangling handicap you mean not C4 then that's a you problem, 3 years mean at least 2 lantern rites so two free Xiangling + the abyss one and how many shop rotations? You didn't wish on a single banner who had her as a rate up? I get not sniping a single one from permanent because the pool is diluted and the regular fates are scarce but that abyss did indeed have more options, the problem with this one is that two sides are competing for the hydro characters and we have only 3 non 5* options (I refuse to acknowledge Hydro traveler existence). Pyro has: 8 options, of those you're given two for playing. Not to mention something that people seem to forget, Anemo follows PHEC or CPHE absorption order, meaning that you can have amazing pyro application in a couple of steps with let's say Sucrose if you self infuse or Guoba swirl, meanwhile Hydro is second and third, and in both cases is behind pyro and what are we fighting on this one? yep Pyro shields. I do agree that 3.7 was limiting and honestly horrible but this one is every bit as bad, you just happen to have better coverage this time.

[@AlwaysThirstys]

@@megalith7796 after 3.7 you obv got more investment.

[@lissv2793]

True, as a f2p the only great hydro unit I have is Xinqxiu. It's impossible for me to go through the 4.7 abyss😭

[@davidcarba7829]

Mihoyo weaponizing their starved standard hydro lineup. Players using electro instead. Delicious.

[@janettbonny3611]

What I’m hearing through out this video: Neuvillette Supremacy

[@danatchi]

Meanwhile I have Neuvilette and still can't 3 star that annoying 1st chamber

[@SuperBeanSquad]

Always has been.

[@vCharliee]

@@danatchi It just depends on ur first team if ur using neuvilettes best team 2nd half

[@danatchi]

@@vCharliee I can do the 1st haph in 1 min 6s with mono pyro Arlecchino. Is that enough?

[@fa2lemuelm2]

"Just pull whoever you want, abyss is meant for casuals." Fontaine really brought in some crazy op units huh (furina, neuv, arle). You see a lot of team clears, and you're more likely to see at least one of these units. Genshin is finally adding power creep, and it's funny to still see people going "it's a casual game mode" when it's clear (most) winners have these units or have great vertical investment. There's a reason why we have less ayato, yoimiya, (eul-), even though they can still technically win.

[@jacecampfire7665]

4.7 abyss is the highest dps check sure, but 3.7 abyss to this day is the hardest abyss we've ever had and it's not even close. Hydro and cryo heralds followed by consecrated beasts - it was a complete nightmare

[@skybattler2624]

That Abyss is nightmare fuel. Overall that easily break shields in ONE SHOT

[@sleeppss]

That abyss will haunt me forver lmao, thought i would lose my 36* streak (was only able to clear that oje after getthing alhaitham), this abyss is more element strict but i still did it on my third try

[@dohnaseek]

​​@@sleeppssi know a lot of people dislike baizhu or calling him sidegrade and stuff, but he actually made me breeze that abyss easily and more comfy than zhongli. With minimum amount of dodges his refreshing shield is enough for me to trade blows with the beasts

[@zauberkugel2963]

imagine if they put that again and wenut on the 12-2 and 12-3 instead of the current one lmao

[@sleeppss]

@@dohnaseek every time i see him on banner im tempted to pull ngl

[@nich-nk2cr]

the ar45 36stars out there are basically disappearing slowly as these abyss get harder.

[@saviolbnful]

not harder, frustrating, 4 waves in 90 seconds is so painful

[@rasna2212]

@@saviolbnful Not mutually exclusive. It IS harder to clear them on time cause of the damn waves.

[@enderboy4547]

Im ar 59 and i cant clear this abyss😢

[@ishansharma2463]

Bro if they exist they just shouldn't. Ar45 is so early game, if you are playing slowly you haven't even reached sumeru soundtrack or desert at this point. Why are you grinding abyss

[@nich-nk2cr]

@@ishansharma2463 the minimum to play the Fontaine quest is a measly Ar40.

[@tracer4b]

I’m not opposed to hard abyss content like this - it’s what people have been asking for for the longest time. But I think this would be so much better as floor 13

[@drekhunter]

Exactly, they're moving the goalpost but they don't want to make the prize better, it basically becomes a chore to keep up with something that once required certain amount of DPS and nowadays it's what? 5 or 6 times tankier? If I were a relatively new player and my first attempt at an abyss was the last one I manage to clear even with 1 star on two chambers and then the next one became this and I see myself struggling to go beyond the first one what would I think about it? I still remember how the first iterations were against some ruin guards, nowadays we have to kill 3-4 bosses with 4 times the HP and we only got an increase of 200 gems because Hoyo is too greedy to give the imaginarium it's own prize pool. I don't know who is this for but it certainly isn't for casuals and it certainly isn't for me after I overcame the DPS and character check so I'm still wondering what portion of the playerbase is Hoyo aiming at with this.

[@Irbisadventurer]

People asking not for "real hard hard abyss", people asking for more endgame, which they adding to late(4.7 and 4.8 are literally 3 years). Yeah, they adding it now, but most players won't even glance at it...

[@tuxidokamen]

Complain in in-game feedback. Write mobile app store reviews. I even stopped paying welkin. Money can't fix Gear RNG.

[@nk30020]

Sigewinne should have good hydro application since they've added Pyro shields right guys ?

[@spikesmad7869]

Yh, cause this is supposed to be her abyss.... Right? Surely...

[@franzjackson7625]

Awarege

[@mohs.9398]

Hand me over that pure copium of yours.. I want some too..

[@Gentraf]

Hoyo is CLEARLY afraid of Wuthering Waves, so much so they put a lot of Wuthering Waves into this abyss lineup.

[@skelebro9999]

hoyo is shaking in their boots right now true

[@kenzoutenma8248]

Cook

[@Apate-]

just copied zajef? why are ppl liking this

[@Antigen__]

Jesse, what the hell are you talking about?

[@Jinni-iras17514]

I can't believe people are unironically eating this up.

[@seph4707]

If Hoyo was afraid of WuWa we'd be getting free stuff 💀

[@drekhunter]

Not really, you underestimate how much Genshin is willing to ignore things till they explode on their faces. Hell I love WuWa and I don't think it will make Genshin sweat because they have a loyal (and pretty brainwashed) fanbase, I do however hope that WuWa makes people realize that Genshin isn't doing everything they could and maybe help the game improve if enough people wake up and ask for a game that respects their players a bit more, I mean come fucking on the loadouts is the less we should have by this point but they don't give a single fuck.

[@nekochen]

@@drekhunter I just want an honest discussion, what exactly do you hope from Hoyo? Genshin is its own game, you can't exactly change it to match WuWa's combat system. Wall running is out of the question too because it would require a massive overhaul to the game equivalent to underwater exploration in 4.0 and tether travelling in 3.0. So the only thing left is to ask for more free stuff. A simple 10 free pulls every patch like HSR? I mean, WuWa is only giving out so much free stuff because they have massive amount of game-breaking bugs. Genshin doesn't have these bugs to compensate... We'll have to see if WuWa will continue to give out 60 free pulls in mail consistently in the future.

[@sleeppss]

​@@nekochenif they do they will be pretty fcked, when the hype finally calms down, i dont think people realize how alot of money from genshin is from millions of low spenders putting 5/15 bucks a month, if you give take the necessity for that, you will need only whales to carry the game, and .. goodluck with that

[@sleeppss]

That said I do think genshin could and should be more generous, they give around 650 pulls every year, we have around 4 banners per patch, so upping the pulls to atleast 700 per year would help alot already (copium moments)

[@razor5694]

We don't get free stuff not because of wuwa it's because hoyo don't give a f about us. F2p will be f2p and the simps will keep swiping

[@EmergencyCringe]

A year ago 3.7 abyss (Cryo+Hydro heralds, and also the first wenut appearance but i don’t remember the patch) was harder for me, but now i pulled more characters, constellations for Nahida; Furina and other 4.x characters are out now. But if you’re struggling now, it’s completely normal even after playing for 1,5-2 years

[@skelebro9999]

this means 5.7 will be an elemental, dps as well as a skill issue check. jesus

[@GoldLink364]

Wenut abyss was 3.5. Yes. They released Dehya on this patch lmao

[@Jinni-iras17514]

You're ruining the illusion of Hoyo doing this because they were threatened by WuWa. Please delete 😢

[@timothygilson7159]

​@@GoldLink364 And now they're releasing Sigewinne this patch, it's all connected.

[@JohnWolf926]

@@skelebro9999GOOD the hardest content in the game after years of playing should finally be difficult

[@taiy0o802]

Did it with Childe National up neuvellette furina hyperbloom down without a need to switch .. i feel proud of Childe tho he carried me through 3 years of abysses comfortably .. this man is a beast 🔥

[@NatalyHaldey]

Agree, he carried me too, he is amazing❤‍🔥 no matter how hard the abyss is, he always shines. It's insane, that he is so strong and his best teams are so cheap. He even didn't get any buffs in Fontaine, like Furina and Cloud Retainer, but he still clears the abyss. Can't imagine how good Childe is gonna be with pyro archon, can't wait to see it!

[@taiy0o802]

@@NatalyHaldey with Natlan .. may more people recognize how unfairly strong he is xD

[@God_abandoned_us_all]

​@@taiy0o802Imagine pyro support that will make Childe able to vaporise all his attacks and riptides

[@taiy0o802]

@@God_abandoned_us_all i mean something better than Xiangling would be 6* 💀💀💀 .. this girl snapshots every buff + does not have any icd on her ult something like that with archon stats and complete synergy results in absolute powercreep to all other meta teams even neuvellette teams xD

[@leejordan6965]

I usually don’t watch these meta roundups but this abyss rocked my world so hard that i’m now interested in looking at what units I should pull for to minimize my struggle 😢 Great video so far! Keep up the great content :D

[@r.d.6290]

And that, ladies and gentlemen, is how hoyoshit milks players for impulsive pulls😂

[@leejordan6965]

@@r.d.6290 what’s even worse? Artifacts are random. It doesn’t matter how hard I grind every single day. I’m not guaranteed to get anything good.

[@episode4882]

@@leejordan6965just quit lol Not worth playing when Hoyo had already given up on Genshin and put all their effort focus on HSR

[@k.chajel1770]

Pull Neuvillette then lmao

[@leejordan6965]

@@k.chajel1770 i did? Most of it is skill issue mixed with some good-ish artifacts since it takes forever for me to get a good set for some characters. I’m still trying tho and this is the abyss in a while that i’ve 36 stared. Characters like fruina and xianyun will deff help support them better with their buffs.

[@JJSleeps_]

Freeze Ganyu with venti - furina - charlotte is so comfy and C0 charlotte maxing out furinas fanfare is so nice for ganyu. The crowd control from venti on the consecrated beast and even wolves is so nice you almost never even need to dodge. With a good enough first side clear this team has been a delightful surprise and it’s so nice to see venti actually feeling decent to play on floor 12. Easily clears chamber 2 & 3 second side, chamber 1 is tight and will depend a bit on vertical investment. Furina q and e can hit both pyro mages too I think

[@Zeke1460]

12-1 of this abyss is the hardest abyss chamber in Genshin history. Top half is relatively easy bc it’s just a dps check and any well-invested dps can clear it. With a little practice, you can clear this before the 9 min mark. But bottom half is hell. Ngl even just the bottom half of this abyss chamber gave me more trouble than any abyss chamber ever in its totality across both halves. It’s all about insanely fast application from elements good against pyro. So hydro and electro. Anemo if you have an anemo dps (I don’t). And you need to have enough elemental application to clear pyro shields fast. And then after all that application you STILL need to have enough big damage to clear the serpent knights. It’s actually crazy. The pyro lecters are the enemy that take me the longest by far. Also 11-1 was legit harder than 12-2 or 12-3.

[@Sable813]

Is it really the hardest ever? I joined 3.8 and this abyss first chamber felt frankly unfair for an account like mine with no Neuvi or Arle. DPS check was tough with Keqing as my top half DPS. I managed to 3 star it but barely, save a few seconds.

[@geneeinabottle8809]

For floor 11 with the slimes. Try using characters with taunts. I used ganyu on side 1 then Mona on side 2 just for taunt one side. You can usually clear the untaunted slimes before the taunted ones are free.

[@Risuization]

unsure how helpful or strong taunt actually is but F2P (and non-standard) option is also Lynette

[@NatalyHaldey]

@@Risuization I used Lynette with hyperbloom in the first half and Kadzuha on the second, got 3 stars, Lynette's taunt worked pretty good

[@iFINNIX]

Also I was completely shocked that the pyro birb one shot my 23k hp Jean

[@KagamineNachy]

Pikachu shocked I hope

[@sritejsharma7497]

The seahorses applied electro and you got overloaded, happened to me too

[@2fullbluemoons]

That stupid ass thing one shot my 37k hp Diona -- I bawled my eyes out because I was so frustrated

[@zed60k47]

This abyss really didn't feel anywhere near as hard as the 3.7 abyss that had three heralds in the first chamber, also it doesn't really feel as restrictive when it comes to elemental checks as much as it is for teams that can adapt better for multi wave stuff. This abyss actually felt like a bigger skill check than the usual dps one and I kinda had fun with it.

[@glovs4188]

It's mostly a do you have the correct element check.

[@freshlymemed5680]

Its a roster check on top of the usual investment/dps check. If you dont have comps that use specific elements than youre out of luck but its only abyss 12 thats problematic so it doesnt really matter.

[@syahirnotzir9955]

this abyss is very hard. but thank god there's no Golden Wolflord. maybe they make it harder because of buffs that we'll get from imaginarium thingy

[@EdenVix]

I started playing on 3.2 and didn't really start 36* staring till 3.8 so i didn't get to fight him at any point. I live in fear bc i don't have a single built geo, the current plan is level 20 ningguang full petra on hyperbloom team lol

[@SebastienDrac]

I dread every time I have to think about dealing with either Wenut, Ruin Serpent, or Golden Wolflord in abyss. The last time they were in abyss, it wasn't as bad, but I still remember the first time any of them were in there. They are a pain in the arse

[@ginichimaruan3572]

I would rather have Wolflord and Wenut than this shit, but maybe it's just me...

[@pyronado4320]

​@@EdenVixif the wolflord is in 1st or 2nd chamber he isn't that tanky and depending on your investment you can kill him before shield phase. I did with alhaitham quickbloom. If he's on 3rd chamber then a 3 man hyperbloom + Ning is still enough

[@tasha2749]

​@@EdenVixthats literally what i do when the that stupid as flying maniac first appear on f12, i use lvl 1 ttds 4 instructor ning and hope for the best that my childe and xiangling can carry the game, i also remember the next chamber is bathysmal vishap, i swear to god the amount of time im hoping im actually bringing sucrose is unhealthy at that time, its really rough having close to no character and the abys just restricted your options who are already limited

[@lordzanthartehallen8963]

I give up, I’ve got to 35 stars, I tried all my best teams and none of them can beat the goddamn first floor second phase fast enough.

[@kian-ganji]

Honestly at this point this has become a lose-lose nightmare for endgame designers: 1.if it's easy then endgame sucks because you have no way of testing your 5 star characters' strength If it's this hard rhen it sucks because it's either a drag or impossible for the guys that don't have the required characters I would personally rather a modest amount of difficulty without character checking you with very specific enemies (golden wolf lord , immunity elemental shielded enemies like heralds, lectors, baptist boss , the earthquake machine thingy with geo shield)

[@stewie_]

On short: people who pulled for meta are rewarded and can complete it easy.

[@sleeppss]

Thats normally how gachas work yeah

[@hiimapop7755]

Which begs the question of why a lot more people than usual are mad that this Abyss is difficult. Just pull one or two meta characters every region and invest in them a lot if you want to clear the current hardest content in the game. Not to mention, we're approaching the next region, so obviously the Abyss this time is gonna be difficult -- just look at 3.7 for example. Compared to other gachas, we've been heavily spoiled by Hoyo, barely having any powercreep and allowing 1.0 characters to stay relevant even after 4 years.

[@SainInaban]

​@@hiimapop7755Because Those people delebrately Ignored Getting Neuvillette by saying "He is Boring to play because he Insta kill everyone by just one E skill". And instead these people pulled Chiori, Baizhu, Wanderer, itto, etc And so now they Suffer. Let them Suffer because that's how they will learn how to do "Future investments"

[@spaleng]

​@@hiimapop7755people like genshin bc there is minimal powercreep, people dont want to pull a unit they dont like/think is boring. it's also unsustainable, doesnt appeal to anyone who isnt familiar with gacha game's regular bs (i.e. majority of the playerbase and the reason why gi is so popular :l)

[@fran99080]

as it should be

[@kaito9836]

I think abyss was intentionally made significantly harder with Fantasy Realm in mind. The rewards will be spread between the two, and I assume Fantasy realm is going to be much easier than the abyss, thus balancing the reward spread for everyone.

[@freshlymemed5680]

We dont know how hard Imaginarium Theater is yet and how hard Hoyo will decide to make it. Where abyss needs 2 teams so 8 characters at most, Imaginarium requires even more characters so its a bigger roster check. We do get blessings for buffs but I doubt it'll be an easier mode.

[@phatbeatz1311]

Charged Attack: Equitable Judgment Unleashes surging torrents, dealing continuous AoE Hydro DMG to all opponents in a straight-line area in front of him. Equitable Judgment will not consume any Stamina and lasts 3s. If Neuvillette's HP is above 50%, he will continuously lose HP while using this attack.

[@krazyvideos2677]

indeed

[@r.d.6290]

Neuvilette's hydro application alone isn't enough to break those shields in time. When I ran the team that could do well on second half of chambers 2 and 3 - Neuvilette, Nahida, Kuki, Zhongli - it didn't pass in time in chamber 1. I used the classical double hydro hyperbloom on lectors side, Yelan, XQ, Nahida, Kuki.

[@SainInaban]

I have Done this with Neuvillette AFK Childe Team i.e. Neuvillette, Kazuha, Childe (AFK), Zhongli. it clears preety good.

[@krazyvideos2677]

i have done c0r1 solo nuvi and he clears

[@sup-md1mo]

yeah i did second side with c0r0 neuvillette c0r1 furina and had like 20 seconds left, it was just a matter of grouping with kazuha and infusing his burst so i could maximize my application my first side team was alhaitham nahida yae zhongli (all c0r0) and i finished within 80 seconds good grouping and transitions between waves are the most important thing in this abyss imo

[@Boricosa]

Unironically this is the most fun I ever had in abyss, I just wish I was more skilled so I could clear it with different teams

[@drekhunter]

But the whole thing is limiting at the core tho, I don't know what's fun about telling your players "play hydro and electro or get fcked" even taking that out of the equation who actually has fun on spreaded out multi wave content? I 36* the whole thing in a single try because I have an above average investment and even then it felt like a chore, can't imagine how horrible it must feel for someone to realize they didn't have enough time for the second half of chamber 1 and having to do the first half again with enough time to cover for the fact that we have 0 good options when it comes to hydro characters on the F2P friendly side. Barbara, XQ, and Candace, that's it, and don't get me wrong I know that the electro options are good and I can believe with no problem that a lot of people will have a decently invested Fischl but a Beidou? Zajef has declared multiple times how underrated she is and I agree 100% in my almost 4 Years playing this I've barely seen Beidou as a first option to anyone. Genshin basically screwed his playerbase, if you're like me I don't see any problem in the foreseeable future but how many players can say that they have over 70 characters ready for abyss? this + the imaginarium is without doubt one of the worst things done by Hoyo and this time you managed to meet the requirement but can you say you'll have fun on a moon that doesn't favor you? will you be able to keep up with this vertical investment at the same time you horizontally invest for the imaginarium? The saddest thing about this situation is how blind some are to the real problem, this abyss is Hoyo once more moving the goalpost and yet the reward increase wasn't proportional to the requirements.

[@EdenVix]

​@@drekhunterthis abyss is way less restrictive than other abyss cycles have been though, i personally found it way more fun than the previous one. Yeah you definitely need hydro but we've had cycles like the 3.7 baptist where you needed what? Dendro, hydro, pyro i think. I think most people will have at least 2 built hydros I don't think that's the issue here, the dps threshold is simply higher and people who can't meet it or barely do are having a really hard time with it

[@drekhunter]

@@EdenVix The problem with your comparation is that you can totally ignore one of the 3 shields of the baptist and still be good to go, not to mention that's a single boss and I'm pretty sure the 3 shields are way less tanky that even one of these ones. I wouldn't make a case out of it if the players didn't brag about how casual this game is but let's not forget that hyperbloom requires hydro and if your two characters are hostage on that side you effectively killed a lot of combinations.

[@Ananta9817]

doesn't hurt to try we don't get to suffer like this too often

[@_dah_bocah]

​@@EdenVixway less restrictive my ass

[@Dividus]

idk if this is new but the visual representation for the abyss lineups in this vid looks super cute, love it!

[@LucyMai92]

They will soon release characters with 10U application in 1 press but with constellations

[@ozymandias2630]

It would perfectly fits how Scamhoyo works

[@BladexZero12]

That's Childe already lol

[@Brom2855]

Many thanks! This abyss really drove me nuts--extra waves just to prolong the DPS checks isn't a fun puzzle. My teams: Nahida/XQ/Yelan/Kuki (hyperbloom) and Neuvi/Furina/ZL/Kazuha

[@kaldimustheviator94]

3.7 was way harder tbh. This abyss was more or less the same. Edit: Aslo the blessings this abyss is useless.

[@aaraizasm]

and the abyss is only gonna get harder from here on out... hope it isn't gonna continue to be "have nueva/furina or lose" edit: I was yapping with my first comment, I'm able to beat abyss too and honestly had fun doing it. My gripe is not liking how furina is (one of, if not) the bis for so many different characters. Wrio, Neuva, Diluc, Gaming, Hu tao, Ganyu (freeze), Noelle c6 (who can even outshines itto with furina), Xiao, Ayaka, and genuinely any dps/sub dps' paired with furina just turns into a great team. Not to mention furina+xianyun combo... she's even able to changes characters builds on her own, enables them to just toss hunters on. This was some more yap, but I just don't want to continue to see this pattern moving forward with natlan characters. Ik she's an archon and all, and for those of you that enjoy her I'm happy for you, but I'm not a fan and think its a lot. Hoping future characters won't end up similar. But thats just what I think

[@Matrix-sg1uy]

…cry louder

[@aaraizasm]

@@Matrix-sg1uy says the guy who cant beat the abyss without her

[@Miphera]

That's a bit exaggerated. They help, sure, but it's still very doable without them.

[@sleeppss]

Nahh dont worry, they do this every in every end of nation, basically a "have you collected this nations characters?" Check

[@MrcreeperDXD777]

I didn't have Neuvillette and still managed to 9 star

[@maximilianbima2265]

Bro istg that every new abyss we got its always started with "its the hardest abyss we've ever got"

[@maximilianbima2265]

Pls bring back normal boss DPS check rather multi wave niche content that forced you to use 1 element madgeClap Sbuga

[@freshlymemed5680]

The hardest is still the one that had 4 of the tiger consecrated beasts but this one comes close. The enemies arent too hard but this is the highest hp abyss has ever had.

[@ebc6970]

I mean technically it is the hardest to some people until a new and harder one released lol

[@H0juma]

I was really surprised with the DPS checks this abyss. I thought I was doing fine with my "for fun" 12th floor teams until I saw that I have 7:10 on my timer and there's still one more wave left. Basically none of my "for fun" teams can clear with 3stars. The DPS just isn't enough. I had to resort to using standard meta team archetypes for at least one of the teams.

[@gullugadha]

Genshin is slowly but steadily going the HSR route when it comes to end game powercreep, feels bad man.

[@skelebro9999]

it had to happen someday 😔

[@djampoucheukap1742]

I mean, it has been four years, it's finally time, since everyone got cool characters, good thing they took that much time before also powerscaling. They won the title of least powercrept gacha game ever

[@thelakes_s]

didnt yall say this with 3.7 abyss lol

[@Abrigat]

​@@thelakes_s 3.7 was less of a DPS check and more of a skills check imo since everyone was getting one shot lol

[@wanderingsoul4103]

​@@thelakes_s no? what made people complain abt 3.7 abyss last year wasn't the powercreep but the fact that they were perma frozen and one shot left n right

[@orfeasza]

This abyss felt much better than the one's with the stalling flying underground bosses

[@Feyr4]

Oh fking yes myy god i hate those

[@pratzy]

agreed

[@bobjones4469]

It's funny, one of my team has Kokomi and Ei, two of the best Hydro and Electro applicators, but this team struggled way harder than my Cyro team, simply cuz one Ayaka Burst does so much in terms of DPS AND application.

[@knection1986]

I have a HUGE AMOUNT OF RESENTMENT towards the loud minority of players that like to get their nuts slammed with a tac hammer with these abyss' I don't like to swap several different teams so I can clear a chamber nor do I want to restart 30 times to get 3 stars on a chamber. I'm tired of getting gaited out of these primos because a few masocists have more time to play than me.

[@wideozludrawz]

elemental checks are always annoying, i miss the kenkis alrdy :c

[@Wizard_Lizard_]

I don't. Screw those guys.

[@baguette_connoisseur]

How about no?

[@hiimapop7755]

As long as theyre not on the third chamber, lol.

[@Souldapop]

Edit after watching: He did it. He used Neuvillette on First half and Hyperbloom on second half. Fucking why? I haven't watched the video yet, but I'm excited to see if he's noticed the same trend I have: People that say this abyss is hard using Arlecchino on the first half and hyperbloom on the second. It's a shit abyss for Arlecchino, and first half is made for hyperbloom/quickbloom. Plus I see people using shields on first half and running second half shieldless while complaining about the consecrated beasts being too hard. Has Fontaine really been so damn easy that we've forgotten that different content calls for different teams?

[@r.d.6290]

I used different Arlecchino C0Rwhitetassel team setups for 1st half. The team that clears chamber 1 first half fast enough - Arle+XianglingC6+BennetC6+SucroseC6. The team that made it possible to beat Magu Kenki and ASIMON fast - Arle+FischlC6+BennetC6+BeidouC6. And she is also good on Floor 11 monolith on the Cryo+Hydro slimes side.

[@Souldapop]

@r.d.6290 It's not that it's impossible. It's that forcing Arle into this abyss makes it harder than it needs to be. Floor one has enemies that are weak to quicken, two is one highly mobile enemy with no special resistances, and three is an enemy that can be disabled by quicken and takes extra damage while disabled. Running electro for ASAIMON without dendro still gimps you because you have to break its pillars to get a seed that ends the phase when you could just disable it and make it take more damage by swapping in a dendro character. Do you get what I'm saying? If it seemed hard, and you had to do things to make certain chambers POSSIBLE, the reason it was harder was BECAUSE you ran Arlecchino

[@xfranlopez]

arlecchino is okay on the first half, she has enought damage for clear the 3 stages without obstruct the second team. I used arlecchino, zhongli, sucrose, bennet first half and beidou, fischl, kazuha, kokomi on second half. It was chill. I dindn't need retries even without doing a perfect gameplay

[@megalith7796]

I also used Neuvi on first half but used nilou superbloom second half. Neuvi just wasn't cutting it in cham 12-1-2 and my well invested hyperbloom, nahiC2R1 1k em/kukiC5 1.4k em/xqC6/beidouC6 was taking about 1:25 mins to clear first side. A neuvi team clears the first side in 1:10 for me. 12-1-1, 4 waves with 10 opponents is the weak point for a hyperbloom team. Even with a aoe char like beidou.

[@Ananta9817]

@@Souldapop The thing I believe you might be missing is that not everyone invested into dentro. I did invest heavily into dentro so my first reflex was to use Clorinde aggrevate first half, Neuvillette hypercarry 2nd and it was a breeze. Then I reflexively tried the same on my friend's acc and it was a worthless struggle when his Raiden hypercarry cleared much faster. Some people probably have not invested into many characters and find faster clears using the top dps they invested in like Arlecchino or Neuvillette.

[@JuanPablo-sr2oo]

neuv, fischl, furinha and baidou destroy the first chamber second half

[@ryandroradiansyaha.1149]

Ngl I don't really mind harder abyss if they atleast add retry second half, cause by god it's embarrassing how star rail got it in all of it's mode in endgame and genshin needs 50 patch to get another qol

[@Br0llyLSSJ]

I am AR45, so I am limiting myself to Level 80 and Level 8 Talents. I did two runs so far. The First try I used Zhongli, Bennett, Yelan and Arlecchino on the First half and Neuvillette, Baizhu, Xiangling and Furina on the Second half. I was able to get 2 3 2 stars. On the Second try I used Zhongli, Bennett, Yelan and Arlecchino on the First half and Neuvillette, Baizhu, Yae Miko and Furina on the Second half. I was able to get 3 3 2 stars. So for me Chamber three is also hard. Maybe they accounted for the Imaginarium Theater buffs for this Spiral Abyss.

[@phoenixlau]

Try targeting only chamber 3 (since your other chambers' 3-stars are already locked in). 12-3 top is no threat, wants electro. So rearranging only the pieces you've shown, you get something like: TOP (Bennett/Yelan/Yae/Arlecchino), BOTTOM (Zhongli/Furina/Neuvillette/Xiangling)

[@uribove]

I had to pull out ye old double hydro hyperbloom for this Abyss... that's been a while... Raiden EM C0/Kokomi C1-R1/Nahida C0/XingQiu C6 Also one of my prime Aggrevate teams on first half. Yae C1, Fischl C6, Kazuha C0, Baizhu C3

[@traplegend5065]

Enjoyed it alot actually took like 2 resets with clorinde and navia teams! But yea it does suck that neuvilette makes this a cakewalk, for others its fair hard difficulty.

[@megalith7796]

How do you people manage to do it in 2 retries. I am always in awe. 😂 Do you have cons? After reading this I'll also try my clorinde team against 12-1-2 now. I always used Clor/fish/nahi/beidou but never thought that it could break lector shields fast enough.

[@killea1755]

is there going to be like meta roundup for imaginarium theatre?

[@Vaurikaise]

i actually cleared this abyss with Arlecchino, Kokomi, Kazuha, and Xingqiu second half lol. (first half was Ganyu, Nahida, Xiangling, and Bennett but I switched to an aggravate team against ASIMON)

[@crmsnx3318]

As a 1.3 player, no content is hard anymore. Tip to new players, get furina, kazuha and nahida then choose 2 any top tier dps and abyss will always be cake walk.

[@oppressed]

Threatened by WuWa's release? Bro late patch abyss has historically been hard every time. What random BS is this?

[@levi3248]

What about Childe as a support in a Neuvillette team? You can switch to Childe to break the abyss lectors shield and then use Neuvillette to take care of the final wave

[@utaita8214]

It's a decent idea, but not that great I guess? Like at c0 no signature without fully maxed passive neuvilette damage is mid assuming you don't have furina, and I'm assuming you don't have furina because triple hydro absolutely kills neuvilette c0 damage , which means you are gonna struggle with chambers 2-3 dps check. Also generally neuvilette as a stand alone unit has enough hydro to kill them in an acceptable time. If you are struggling I personally would use this tactic, clear and then swap childe out for more damage in the next chambers.

[@k.chajel1770]

​@@utaita8214just use him for 12-1.his damage at C0R0 enough for that chamber, then switch back to Furina/Fischl on the remaining one. I did that because my Alhaitham needs Furina in first side and he cleaes faster by quite margin with her compared to using yelan/XQ

[@a-non6238]

Who needs Neuvi there if you’re not gonna use him for the shields? Redundant to have him and Childe in the same team. Just run Childe international or slap him at the back of a different element DPS like Arlecchino or Wanderer for said easy shield breaking.

[@utaita8214]

@@k.chajel1770 that's what I said bro😅😂. Also nah neuvilette c0 without signature compared to R1 c1 is nothing, the gap is INSANE. my Clorinde aggravate or pretty much majority of my teams clear way faster than what I see on yt regarding neuvilette c0 proto. Neuvilette is comfy but the damage Is whatever at basic investment, he's him at c1- r1

[@levi3248]

@@utaita8214 I’m struggling on 12-1. I already 3 starred the other two chambers, it’s just chamber one. I have c1 Neuvi but like Zaj said, if you use Childe to break the shields, he’s the best character for it but then you have the long cooldown, in which case Neuvi can just take care of the other enemies. Also Childe is like the third best buffer for Neuvi bc he gives hydro resonance, +1 NA and doesn’t require field time (in this case he will only need it to break the shields)

[@DreamingMechanic]

3.7 abyss was wayyy worst. this abyss is just a dps check, not "hard"

[@a-non6238]

8:24 There’s other workarounds with Childe if you don’t make him the center of the team. I personally used Faruzan, Wanderer, Zhongli, Childe with Childe purely for breaking shields and the +1 to the NA but I know of Arlecchino, Childe, Kazuha, Bennett teams that can probably pull it off just fine too.

[@onlineuser1990]

Raiden hyperbloom and international did it for me 70 seconds chamber 1 first half if played right

[@lucassatie]

I actually found this Abyss significantly easier than the previous rotation. A whole lot more grouping was necessary to achieve good times and the two Electro lectors were much harder to deal with. It's entirely possible this is thanks to my team comps seemingly heavier on the hydro side (Neuvi) but I actually think I could have subbed my Neuvi out for any other decently high DPS team comp and been fine. For reference, 4.6 abyss would take me ~100 tries in total to get through Floor 12. This new 4.7 took me ~5. My teams were: Nahida + Kokomi + Yelan + Raiden first half, then Neuvillette + Kazuha + Zhongli + Fischl second half.

[@Eduardomscarvalho]

I feel really sorry for people who don't have Neuvillette

[@taylorgreen2954]

Zajef actually giving Kokomi some praise for once? Have I woken up in another universe?

[@kay5676]

Plunge hu Tao continues to blast through abyss, this 12 1 2 was no exception 😎

[@jonnevitu4979]

those damn robots on 12 1 dude, their curved hitboxes were making my Hu tao plunge get stuck below their heads lmao

[@molybdnum]

@14:30" The spawn map graphic is super helpful. But for future .... There's a "N" marked on the map, and the stairs are Not North, they're East. 😅

[@blueorca1244]

Why would they even think about splitting the enemy into 4 fcking waves when they can just put them in 1 or 2 waves 😭

[@TechnoTrex1089]

I just played Arlecchino hyper 1st half and Neuvillette Hyberbloom 2nd half 😊. Finished easily 😋

[@FayinKay]

Usually my go to team is Furina, Gorou, Albedo and Noelle, but because of the needed hydro application I swapped Gorou out for Yelan. This team archetype just feels super comfortable, i'm surprised people don't use it more often.

[@AllisonPineda-pl7ce]

Sorry to bother but what rotation do you use for your team?

[@FayinKay]

@@AllisonPineda-pl7ce No worries. In this type of team where reactions don't really matter I would usually just go for the burst with the longest duration first. Iirc it was Furina E Q > Yelan E Q > Albedo E > Noelle E Q.

[@AllisonPineda-pl7ce]

@@FayinKay Tysm bro

[@FayinKay]

@@AllisonPineda-pl7ce no problem bro 🫶

[@iFINNIX]

Idk why but this abyss seemed really lame feeling to me, like in a way anticlimactic

[@gonzalodiez6336]

scara yelan xingqiu faruzan 2nd half cleared in similar time as neuvilette and i imagine there's other double hydro teams like that that can do it easily

[@Bezijenkins]

I blame Nouvilette. Also, I had a lot of fun this abyss somehow. Just ran Freeze in 2nd half with Charlotte driver, XQ/Yelan/Furina and just froze anything while Furina and yelan did all the damage.

[@Pavme]

Hoyo literally putting Pure Fiction + MoC into Genshin with the mutliwaves lmao

[@em_khak4228]

the days before we was able to use so many teams with c0 5star characters,but now is all about enemys elements,thats make it less fun but anyway,its genshin

[@MrHav1k]

This abyss is pretty insane. I was able to 36 star on the first attempt, but I did run basically a whale Nilou/Nahida team on the second half and only handled the final wave of the Serpent Knights with moments to spare.

[@eimanhaqim918]

Hoyo: Here you go hardest Abyss of all time Pre-2.0 4 Stars (taser & rev melt): Aight bet WuWa: We're so sorry for that, here some free stuffs

[@sleeppss]

Me: damn finally some hard abyss,, been waiting for this day😂

[@sausagewagoninmyass]

wtf is this meme even about 💀

[@ipeeontheworld]

multi waves with mobs that run around is so cancer. It feels so artificial and forced when the mobs are stalling/ running away in a mode where ur supposed to kill them fast

[@mdbauman]

I was pretty happy with this abyss, and I think it may be the most fun I've ever had in abyss. Sorta challenging but not overly annoying. Putting the hardest chambers at the beginning of the floors made it less annoying to retry than past abysses. The parts I had trouble with were 11-1-2 and 12-1-2 and I had fun retrying those, whereas in past abysses I've often just get 33 stars and call it quits because I didn't feel like going through all of floor 12 again just to do 12-3-2.

[@monochromeUji]

still struggling at 35 stars because of 12-1. I'm off by 20 seconds consistently!!!! I consider my f2p account to have average builds but since Fontaine I haven't not been able to full clear. Idk what to do here.

[@Mrflipflops_w]

This abyss is a mixed feeling for me here, it‘s extremely hard but it doesn‘t kill my character in like 3 seconds of starting abyss 12-1 and make me die from burning so i‘m not complaining.

[@moonyalua]

to be honest, for me this abyss wasn't that hard and i struggled MUCH more with the last one because of the elemental restrictions in chamber 3 and coppelius on chamber 2, but I have nilou, furina and kokomi hyper-invested so I can see why for others having multiple waves might be annoying

[@shiro_ai]

what makes them lectors hard is their shield have too much resistance compare fireabyss mage vs fire lectors. difference? you need tons of hydro to actually break it, also ICD sucks

[@rohanvirus]

As someone who enjoys getting challenged by abyss i enjoyed this a lot at first i was struggling a lot but then making teams catered just for chamber 1 and saying fugg the later chambers im gonna clear them anyway was the right way to go cleared it with 8 different teams archetypes tho the 4 star only clear was not possible for me without changing teams for chamber i will try more tho

[@gunit484]

Tbh I prefer more dps check bosses without elemental restrictions than four waves of mobs, the waves just takes a lot longer.

[@chriswent8125]

hello! i just wanted to thank you zajef and your editors for all the hard work you guys do!

[@granthiksharma4626]

DUMB QUESTION . BUT i dont know many nuvullet team. havde both him and furina but who should be my next 2 unit. jean can be my healer but who will cc. i also have koko for team 2. do i need 2 r5 proto amber 1 for nuv 1 for nahida

[@iFINNIX]

“Once it becomes Xiangling” 😂

[@neo.3]

OPPA

[@xBlitzzOfficial]

I don't think this abyss is hard because of Neuvi. I think it's because Imaginarium Theatre is coming in and will become the "endgame" for casuals, so abyss is becoming harder for the serious teambuilders. I also think that because abyss only resets once a month now, they've made it harder so that people take longer to cook up teams and get 3-star clears

[@svd355]

I think so too. Naturally they had to ramp up the difficulty for longer reset plus new game mode, Imaginarium Theatre. I think it's a fair trade-off.

[@chezero404]

Personally for me this abyss is easier than the last one (Probably because the elemental checks don't force me into a no sustain team this time)

[@-ruubi-7270]

same here! 4.6 was the hardest in forever for me, but this abyss was really easy

[@Kore-w8y]

Right last one was way harder, this one I just did arlecchino vape 1st phase and 2nd phase I did ayato hyperbloom and it was easy I had 15-30 sec left most of the time

[@EdenVix]

Last one was mechanically harder, this one is just a dps check so as long as you meet it you're good. Tbh i liked this abyss more but i can understand why people who barely meet the dps check are having such a hard time and think it's harder

[@stribijev]

OK, if anyone is interested: I managed to do this abyss just now, some 4 days before it is gone. I had to 1) get Furina C1 (not sure it was a must pull, but her consts are anyway great and this is not a waste for my F2P primos), 2) use Custom Artifact Loadouts like mad to find the best sets for my characters, 3) find the best teams on my fully F2P account. So, it was 1) C0 Nahida/C6 Xingqiu/C2 Kuki/C0 Alhaitham and 2) C0 Kokomi/C1 Furina/C0 Yelan/C0 Kazuha. My most hardly earned 36 stars.

[@Mordred_King]

I played Neuvillette with Childe and it was funny, Childe destroy those shield in less than 10 seconds and you don't care about his damage at all, unironically is a really good team this abyss especially in that chamber, Neuvillette and Furina also works very well

[@IsseiL]

I just came back to the game and just abused F12 with Premium Neuv and Rational. I was expecting it to be like that double Hydro abyss guys rotation that increased CDs if you had hydro on you, but nah, it's piss easy

[@M1ndzor]

Neuvilette ruined genshin for me, I'm refusing to pull this sorry excuse for a character that some dumb fujoshi in hoyo dev team made broken af. The fact that they balance game around him while refusing to release characters of same power is beyond my understanding.

[@EvermoreUnicorn]

This abyss forced me to improve my account and was my first consecutive run 36* clear… surely nothing can stop me now?

[@WastedTalent83]

There are no hard abyss... there are only people with "not the right characters/artifacts" Nothing more.. i used to struggle with abyss.. got neuvillette C1, Yae C6 and raiden C2.. from then i never struggled once .. no matter what kind of abyss they put i clear it with 30-60 seconds left over. And im not a whale, i barely put money for welking and like maybe 10 BP in the whole genshin history. People who clear it with 4 stars do 253643732 attempt and have insane artifacts most of the time. So no, there i no "hardest abyss" at least in my opinion.

[@browserjunior4707]

If any of y’all got Furina and a Kokomi, please just do Mono-Hydro for the second half. It makes life so much easier not having to worry so much about Pyro Shield management. I used Furina, Koko, Xingqiu, and Yelan for the second half and they always clear it fast. For the first half honestly just swap your teams around, I can’t really say much advice outside of avoid doing Hyperbloom on 12-3-1 cause you might miss out on the quicken reaction if you apply hydro too fast.

[@gericjohnm.olivar9563]

Neuvillette abyss

[@bobthehandyman3650]

Hydro is OP for the 4.X abyss because it's fontaine Era. Just Like dendro was op in 3.X I'm pretty sure in Natlan they will put a lot of hydro and cryo shields to buff pyro (just like in 1.X when it was pyro impact) and Neuvilette will not thrive as much as he does now. They will find ways to incentivise for pulling for new Pyro natlan characters

[@prstechnic1774]

I think childe is a great option for 12-1-2, especially for the abyss lectors. He applies so much hydro that the lectors become a non-issue ESPECIALLY if they’re grouped because riptide just eats through their shields. His cd is an issue for the 3rd wave but if you set up your supports while hes on cd his skill should be up by the time you’re ready to do dmg. Or use neuvillette.

[@lulusmimi]

I have no idea how but i got my first ever 36* clear with this, before the most i ever did was 34* i used alhaitham, yelan, nahida, kuki 1st half and neuvillette, furina, fischl, kazuha 2nd half maybe its because i got furina this patch but i dont know i still feel super proud of myself😭😭, i did struggle a bit on chamber 1 but the other chambers i literally did first try ?! rahhhhhhh

[@M_K499]

i really liked this abyss, since i cleared second half with arle, kazuha, bennet and childe. Childe is really good for shield breaking and arle is enough for dps check. I was trying out few teams, even tho i had kokomi, i couldnt break the shields faster. I came up with this team and it felt satisfying to clear. I feel like the combat feels more fun not only in harder content(Ex:3.6 and 3.7) but also in innovative team building. Wish the new endgame didnt have elemental restrictions

[@qp5718]

I would say "tricky" Rather than hard

[@zerovslit]

yoimiya

[@skelebro9999]

Yoel

[@su1thor760]

it aint that bad, the most brainded strat would be using quickbloom on first part and then neuvi furina on second thats what i do on my first try and my friend account that struggle with it. My friend Account dont even have EM set for raiden i just make do with EOSF Raiden and full EM buff from Nahida on first part.

[@asheswfs1200]

thanks for the vid! Made me improve my Rational team and was really happy that I finally got to use my beidou in the abyss

[@KurokishiYT]

i fucking hate the dorito boss so much why the fuck do they keep adding bosses that waste your time if u dont use a specific element/reaction its just some bs