@@turkinator1014 oh baby be a simpleeeeeeeeee kind of maaaaaan
@jurgen_haan6 ай бұрын
Simple is one of the hardest things to do.
@zacharyreid75577 ай бұрын
it was nice seeing a video of yours blow up a few weeks back, maybe now you can afford to buy a windows key
@HatersGarage7 ай бұрын
...maybe..
@PatrickHemmes7 ай бұрын
het just spends everything on exhausts haha@@HatersGarage
@toiletgaming20057 ай бұрын
activate for free using command prompt... no one pays for windows
@liamgideon55897 ай бұрын
@@HatersGaragenah even if you can actually afford don't buy it
@beaujohnson20217 ай бұрын
NEVER!
@StinkBoiSupreme7 ай бұрын
the vegas pro dyno never lies
@HatersGarage7 ай бұрын
Never
@oldschoolmotorsickle7 ай бұрын
We old school motorcyclists went through this starting over 50 years ago. We learned that a 4 into 1 beat 4 individual pipes. And that a 4 into 2 into 1 (a Tri-Y in car speak) beat everything. Liked the vid!
@Robdutton917 ай бұрын
It really depends on a lot of things. Bikes are a different beast because the capacity is small and internals are sturdy meaning you can rev out to 15k rpm which drastically changes things. Comparing say a big block V8 to a 1000cc inline 4 is apples to oranges. I appreciate that this Nissan is not a big block V8 but you know where I’m coming from
@GingerNingerGames6 ай бұрын
Yeah, but does it SOUND cool, that's what matters. At least in the case of my 650 twin it does, it's pretty slow, so might as well make it sound nice doing it.
@luipars5 ай бұрын
Yeah but let's be honest here, exhaust performance gains, for street vehicles, is a min-max thing. Unless you're regularly going to the track, how it SOUNDS should be much more of a factor in deciding your exhausts than a single-digit horsepower gain at a very specific power band.
@lawrenceeandrade72072 ай бұрын
Of those, I think 4 into 1 sounds the coolest. 4-2-1 sounds too... normal these days.
@reed001127 ай бұрын
For a h pipe or x pipe to offer better performance they need to be placed in exactly the correct spot. The old boys found the right spot by putting some non high temp paint along the front part of the exhaust and going for a good run, the middle of where the paint burns off first is the exact place to get the best performance. I doubt you want to keep doing this but it's food for thought! ... also do a dyno run because realistically except for the obvious clear winner of stock setup the others are way too close to be accurate by looking over footage. That being said I'm loving your videos so keep them coming 😉
@HatersGarage7 ай бұрын
Yeah when I was making the exhausts I just put the H and X pipes in the most convenient spot, because performance wasn't on my mind. I was surprised that all of the setups except for the regular exhaust were basically identical times, I expected them to vary more. The Sony Vegas dyno definitely isn't accurate, but it gives us a basic answer as to which were better
@stronkworks7 ай бұрын
@HatersGarage Please retry the x and h pipe with placement performance in mind. We need to know what is possible with 4 cylinder exhaust that actually sounds cool!
@reed001127 ай бұрын
@@HatersGarage Yeah I absolutely loved this little series. Nice work dude
@reed001127 ай бұрын
@@HatersGarage Oh yeah by the way .. Unequal length headers 😉 pleeeeasee
@HatersGarage7 ай бұрын
@@reed00112 I have an idea floating around for some unequal headers
@rylex69567 ай бұрын
Literally one of the funniest and most entertaining and straight to the point automotive channels right now with Toms Refurb, I hope you see great success, keep up the good work 👍
@riogrande1637 ай бұрын
Congrats on getting picked up by the algorithm, man. You deserved it!
@HatersGarage7 ай бұрын
Thanks
@riogrande1637 ай бұрын
@HatersGarage also please NEVER change that profile picture, it's legendary.
@HatersGarage7 ай бұрын
@@riogrande163 I don't think I could top it anyway
@aaronamarok7 ай бұрын
this channel is the automotive content I've craved for a long time
@Drunken_Hamster7 ай бұрын
I'd dog you for that Flowmaster because it's definitely making it sound worse, but "It's what I had" is an extremely valid response. Also, IDK if I mentioned it in the last vid, but KJK (the other guy who tried 1-4, 2-3) reported an increase in torque and mid-range with the even-fire UEL design at his 3x length ratio. Haven't gotten another update from him since, so there's only the build+startup+static mild rev. Really wanna hear that car under load to see if it improves, but anyway. Also, if you had a 1-4, 2-3 equal length, more commonly known as a 4-2-1 or tri-y, that was properly made, those see benefits across the board under 8000rpm. David Vizard and other builders of his caliber strongly recommend a 4-2-1 (1-4, 2-3 paired) equal-length header on any 4-cylinder that doesn't spin past 8k. Though it does involve a bit of math to tune the primary and secondary lengths and diameters.
@HatersGarage7 ай бұрын
I've heard that 4-2-1 setups make more low end power, and that's why OEMs use that setup. As far as tuning the headers for performance, I really wouldn't want to bother with that unless I had a dyno. Without it you pretty much just do the math and hope you got it right.
@jimbo57283 ай бұрын
Love the editing, style, pace, overall delivery. Don't change a thing!
@nicktookthebean94897 ай бұрын
nissan sentra goated
@HatersGarage7 ай бұрын
Gyatted
@KillacamS137 ай бұрын
I'm just impressed you drew all that in paint instead of using notepad, or even the text tool in paint. Subscribed.
@ManicTrailBanter3 ай бұрын
In my experience building motorcycles, having some back pressure in the exhaust system over straight pipes helps performance. I have no idea why that is in all honesty, but my bike ran way better with some back pressure. In this case the “stock” setup with a muffler gives you some back pressure and likewise the 4 into 4 zoomies have virtually none, so I figured they would perform the worst. Thanks for the entertaining vids!
@widgex3437 ай бұрын
Glad this channel is getting attention now. I can’t believe you bought new parts, are you feeling ok that’s out of character? Thanks for the quality garbage content.
@HatersGarage7 ай бұрын
I really didn't have a choice, I wanted a real exhaust so I could drive the car again, but I didn't have enough scrap. Also my headers had been hacked up so many times they were basically trash
@widgex3437 ай бұрын
In all seriousness now it’s a nice exhaust can’t wait to see what you do next.
@magpieblue3 ай бұрын
Thank you for adding more chapters to this interesting story. I stumbled on the original video way back when, and it's wonderful to find more of your experiments. Although I've been subscribed for a long time there's a thousand other video notifications that drown each other out. I'm sorry for not showing as much appreciation and attention as your honesty and humour deserve. Good luck!
@haveaniceface72907 ай бұрын
Good work. I think the new one sounds pretty good.
@HatersGarage7 ай бұрын
I like the sound too. It's still a little loud for my taste, though.
@brandonhalvorsen21857 ай бұрын
@@HatersGarage Says the man who has been straight piping his sentra in 15 different configurations lol
@haveaniceface72907 ай бұрын
@@HatersGarage I just did a muffler delete on my 4 banger and it sounds great with the stock cat and the little coffee can resonator at the back.
@Grimm-Gaming7 ай бұрын
Angry Bees! I hate it but it's also nostalgic. I miss the fart can era
@greenbassboosts88727 ай бұрын
My experience with can muffler is they should probably have a hollow resonator ahead of them unless you run the baffle which nobody does@@haveaniceface7290
@reaganrifanburg52087 ай бұрын
Should do a true triple exhaust
@TheFastgeek3 ай бұрын
Was dubious of the channel name... but am well and truly glad I clicked on whatever random video that ultimately led me here. You take XYZ idea, you run with it, show the results, maybe BS for quite literally a few seconds and then out. No drama, no padding, no BS. You, sir, are to be applauded; bravo!
@nicolasdandrea90857 ай бұрын
You should try adding a second looping pipe that is twice as long as the other pipe to try and mimic a V8 sound
@J3rryTortoise7 ай бұрын
that could be crazy
@toiletthinker86937 ай бұрын
Per cylinder? 8 header pipes? Is double the length just an idea, or did you the math on it? I looove the idea of a V8 sounding inline 4
@HatersGarage7 ай бұрын
I would like to make a 4 cylinder sound like a v8, but that's like trying to convince someone that your donkey is a pure bred race horse. I could try the looping pipe, but I think it would just sound like a really clappy 4 cylinder still
@toiletthinker86937 ай бұрын
@@HatersGarage I would say more like painting zebra stripes on your donkey, silly but entertaining 😀
@nicolasdandrea90857 ай бұрын
@HatersGarage Actually maybe running two sets of split header pipes, one longer then the other that re-enters at the same collector. I'd have to figure some math out to find the optimal length to simulate a V8's firing order, but it might be worth a shot for fun.
@winguard967 ай бұрын
The full exhaust brought back all the torque I'm sure 😂
@mricsson5 ай бұрын
This is great content, fast cuts, no bs and humor. I wasnt going to watch anything from anyone today, but curiosity of true-4 sound turned out to be 4 videos in a row. Noice!
@stuffandjunkandthings3647 ай бұрын
Haven't watched the video- but whatever loss is associated with the H pipe setup is worth it to my ears.
@KeebaAfrica7 ай бұрын
True Dual 4 Cylinder Exhaust is my biggest inspiration this year
@Grims_underworld5 ай бұрын
I already got some 4-2-1 headers and I’ve been debating chopping them up into true duals for a long time. Glad I found your channel. Looks like you’ve been having a lot of the same crazy ideas as myself 😂
@prdn82 ай бұрын
The voice of Sam Sulek commenting some truly epic video content right there - engineering on steroids Perfect
@HunterHerbst7 ай бұрын
This shtuff is great. Keep doing it
@MrPaulrt3 ай бұрын
Like for the outro alone... And for doing no bs straight to the point content
@One_Guy7 ай бұрын
glad i stunbled onto your channel you're very entertaining! love the content! its the true dual exhaust vid that i found you through!
@YungRanch7 ай бұрын
I like the simplicity of ur vid. We found a good one, boys 🙏
@infiniterift7 ай бұрын
Science! I like that :) I would say that for power the best option would be equal lenght - 4-1 with long primaries or sequentially paired (1-3 2-4) 4-2-1. Of course with all the tricks like stepped piping, short colector. Perhaps maybe even venturi effect could help too (?).
@tjziegler88237 ай бұрын
The one thing you never took into consideration is the distance between exit location of the pipes. Having the pipes further apart actually INCREASES the rumble sound. And closer together has a similar effect to a crossover. Listen to a corvette with a quad exit in the center. Ive even seen one with true duals (no crossover) and it sounded like it still had a crossover due to the exit locations. I actually built a true dual exhaust on my honda accord 2.3 about a year ago. My pipes exit on each side of the rear bumper kinda like an old muscle car. It has more of that aggressive rumble sound than even your true dual. Also, theres other factors that can have an affect, such as runner lengths, and overall pipe length on each side. An exhaust with a crossover or y-pipe with equal lengths from header to crossover will have a smoother sound than one with uneven lengths before the crossover, such as on a truck, where the exhaust will usually run down the passenger side. Muffler placement also has an affect.
@captnjaygreybeard63946 ай бұрын
Interesting results on the exhaust setups , surprised stock won.
@gtaashwagandhaman75517 ай бұрын
Damn great videos man, I never realized how different a 4cyl can sound! Can you make me headers for a 2.8 mpfi?🥴
@davidtreadway34287 ай бұрын
Just came across your channel and realized I live right down the road from you. Love the videos
@sustang7 ай бұрын
Editing goes hard
@cdawggaming44267 ай бұрын
I like the content man made me subscribe after seeing a few of your videos keep it up
@danteeightsix90697 ай бұрын
2 factors on why the quads were slower. Since you have more pipe, there was more weight added. Having only 1 pipe will cause a higher exhaust pressure velocity coming out so it will flow better than having 4 with less exhaust pressure velocity.
@SlashBleed7 ай бұрын
I sure am exhaust-ed after seeing such a great video
@justinkinberger5594 ай бұрын
i just had this done to my 03 SVT focus, coming out of the front bumper on both sides, very unique, lots of eyes lol
@crystalzues47127 ай бұрын
Love the content
@andyo3037 ай бұрын
Another good one, informative and entertaining 👍
@Lee01Mr7 ай бұрын
Why does this man only has 31k subs? he deserves so much more! Funny and entertaining😂
@spartanboss41892 ай бұрын
On this setup or the one before, try making one of the pipes twice as long as the other. Or try out different lengths to play around with the phasing, there’s a guy that tried that on his GSXR1000 and it gave it a R1 crossplane sound
@dovydaskaminskas42275 ай бұрын
Are you still wiling to experiment with exhaust sound? I have one suggestion. Split the exhaust in two ant he end, route one pipe back to front and reintroduce that back to the system. That should really mess the pulses up. At some rpm might even sound like double the cylinders.
@riotcailin7 ай бұрын
This man is FranzJ of car content
@HatersGarage7 ай бұрын
I was in a CS match with him one time
@riotcailin7 ай бұрын
@@HatersGarage LMAOO, let`s wait till he finds your channel 😭
@ablindman33287 ай бұрын
Awesome work and experimentation😮 Just did some research on a jet engine exhaust system that did some crazy stuff. 🤔 What about an overlap of both your ingenuity and that- all with just some of the things on hand? Like a exhaust turbine of sorts?
@HatersGarage7 ай бұрын
An exhaust turbine, what a novel concept. Perhaps I could pipe the air it generates into the intake.
@gustiwidyanta54927 ай бұрын
@@HatersGarage*hang on...*
@GoddessOfMisfortune7 ай бұрын
yeah, but the true quad still sounds the coolest. I wonder if crossovers at where the collector would be would help with scavenging.
@HatersGarage7 ай бұрын
Possibly, but probably not much.
@dramen5 ай бұрын
To only lose a second isn't bad to be fair, also, fucking performance when it sounds SO DAMN GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOD!
@Snakeplisskin4407 ай бұрын
I think it's something to do with exhaust valve timing and backpressure. The collector creates a backpressure that the car is tuned to allow some of it back into the cylinder, mixed with fresh air to create higher compression. Something like that idk, science.
@HatersGarage7 ай бұрын
The engine lets some exhaust back into the cylinder, but it's not to increase compression. It's to remove the need for an EGR valve, and improve emissions.
@thomashalley72587 ай бұрын
Pretty sure you have to either tune to have proper fueling or add intake volume to benefit from the exhaust systems extra flow and add more fuel. Pretty sure stock maps cant adjust properly for the modifications so a tune is necessary.
@garagemdokenne44167 ай бұрын
I choose a 4x2 to my car even knowing thats not gonna make it faster because i heard it once when i was a child in the same model. I just wish it doesnt make it slower 😅 (already have the exhaust but engine is not ready to run yet). Thanks for the vids, i was looking for this at a long time. Whatching u from Brazil 🔥
@muaythai1937 ай бұрын
Can you please re-do the 1-2 & 3-4 pairing but have one side’s exhaust pipe be much longer than the other, and the two exhaust pipes being further apart? Like side pipes for example? That would give you a true 45 degree v-twin kinda sound imo.
@waysaboutthings64447 ай бұрын
Your ecu is tuned for the normal exhaust so no surprises it worked best.
@johnny_salmon7 ай бұрын
please make more videos with tuning and experiments!
@abdulkadirthecarguy19487 ай бұрын
Im not professional but people says you need tune for exhaust to work. Maybe your cars original tune is good for normal exhaust. +you gave special attention to normal exhaust too 😂
@HatersGarage7 ай бұрын
I didn't really give it much special attention, just cheap headers because my old ones were chopped up
@jankington2167 ай бұрын
What do people mean by tune when they're talking about a stock ECM? I'm confused as to why they think you put a holly EFI system in it. Do they mean to say they have no idea what they're talking about?
@HatersGarage7 ай бұрын
@@jankington216 People think that you have to have a tune for exhausts, in reality the ECM makes adjustments to the air fuel ratio automatically, usually up to 25%. The stock ECM on the stock tune will do fine with just an exhaust.
@gamercoolapple17 ай бұрын
Equal length headers with an h pipe and an h pipe with resonators would probably sound wild!
@cainankitts72167 ай бұрын
you should test back pressure, go smaller and smaller to see what happens and how much is too much, lol
@HatersGarage7 ай бұрын
That sounds fun, I think I saw Garage 54 do that
@matiasferry53817 ай бұрын
maybe its because the 4 banger its even fire, when v8 pick up power with the x or h pipe its because of the oddfiring and equalizing effect of the flows in the exhaust, this 4 pulses go just one behind another.
@HatersGarage7 ай бұрын
Could have something to do with it
@diwandanajib1941Ай бұрын
Nice content dude, like it's only 3 ish minutes, there's a lot of people out there creating videos about changing their car exhaust, and those videos are 15 + minutes
@keithmccormack62487 ай бұрын
You sound like the guy in the old Bud Ice commercials, “Drink Bud Ice, but ahh beware of the penguins.”
@HatersGarage7 ай бұрын
I hear the resemblance hah
@freedblowfish37057 ай бұрын
Haha jokes on the exhaust shop guy, im after a specific brand of niche, anyways you should do a crossplane conversation 😅
@KrazeeCain7 ай бұрын
I think the normal setup out performed the others so much because that's what the stock tune is designed for. If you took the time to dyno tune each of those setups I bet the differences would shrink significantly
@cprooks7 ай бұрын
Nothing Will Beat The True Quad. Screw The Performance That Sounded Fucking Awesome
@Grimm-Gaming7 ай бұрын
Control Exhaust = Angry Bees
@Grimm-Gaming7 ай бұрын
Glad u agree. I personally hate it but it brings back nostalgia. Of a bygone era of riced out cars
@repingers97777 ай бұрын
@@Grimm-Gaming ... Unfortunately That era is not over 😂. Also thats what a 4cylinder sounds like 🎉 👏
@aaronpal295517 күн бұрын
you should do a header with cylinders 1 and 3 wyed together and cylinders 2 and 4 wyed together and then wye both pipes together into a single exhaust into a muffler
@garnerblair51797 ай бұрын
I still prefer the sound of the true duals w/wo the h-pipe . I would make up the difference in efficiency by going to a host engine with forged internals ( ecotec 2. O , srt4 2.4 ) and add compound boost . Example ; supercahrged ecotec 2.0. Add true duals with a tiny turbo at the end of each exhaust. Reduce the boost on the factory m62 supercharger and factor in the compound boost of the two tiny turbos .
@HatersGarage7 ай бұрын
That's very convoluted, but would be interesting
@garnerblair51797 ай бұрын
@@HatersGarage I don't know how I allowed myself to entertain that . Just turn up the boost at the supercharger . It's only a smidge haha
@benm89737 ай бұрын
True Quad is the best... You just need more power to make it see its true potential :D HAHAHA I love it man, keep up the good work
@ZupGarageJPN7 ай бұрын
quad exhaust will always sound better imo, has the sound of a subaru without uel headers.
@HatersGarage7 ай бұрын
Technically the quad was unequal length headers, each pipe was a different length
@ZupGarageJPN7 ай бұрын
@@HatersGarage ah alright, my apologies. but its still cool though
@shinhisan13057 ай бұрын
Always hated how inline fours sounded, but is there any chance I could convince you into making a vid of a mustang style header where they made a flat plane kinda sound like a cross, well that and a different firing order
@Amity_693 ай бұрын
sounds really good tbh
@kskip42427 ай бұрын
I have two Flowmaster fxs on my Nissan Altima 2.5 and they sound great. Bottom line is the dual exhaust versions just flowed too much. I'm guessing if you would have used a smaller diameter pipe in your true dual setups it would have worked well.
@tarikGP07 ай бұрын
2 things that I can think off. The weight of the pipes and the backflow. Typically you want to have some backflow to the engine so it doesn't make vacuum pockets which steal potential power right out of the cylinder
@nopadelik92867 ай бұрын
Now that's the gearhead content i want to see, yay ! I want to know and hear about annoying stuff like the flex joint IF stuff happens and is annoying ^-^,
@Hosstache6 ай бұрын
Microsoft Paint - A hawlmark of any kwality production!!! BTW LOVED IT!!!!!
@kooltuo61882 ай бұрын
what about doing stepped headers, not only for performance but also to hear if there is any difference w non stepped
@coletucker80147 ай бұрын
Been waiting for this for a while. I own a spec v and was curious
@sinformant7 ай бұрын
The true quad exhaust sounded the beat! If only you ran the pipes all the way to the back of the car. Then yous gotten a hp gain....😂😅 probably not, but it sure aa hell would sound good
@pezer2477 ай бұрын
Is it possible that the increased times are a result of an altered/ less effective exhaust scavenging pattern? And what about cylinder pairing per pipe? (ie 1&2, 3&4; 1&3, 2&4; 1&4, 2&3.)
@pavelslama55437 ай бұрын
4 into 1 offers best gas flow, because you have a constant exhaust gas flow from at least 1 cylinder. If you connect 1 + 2, and 3 + 4, you get a flow that goes fine for 1 crank revolution, then stalls for another one, then goes again. So basically a stop-start system instead of continual flow. The issue should be obvious.
@ramseycattn59417 ай бұрын
Love your videos. Looking at your results, the delta between normal and all the others seems suspect. Same stretch of road? Colder temps on that day?
@HatersGarage7 ай бұрын
All of the tests were done on different stretches of road, but all were flat. I rechecked the times over and over, and the times for the abnormal exhausts were just very similar.
@Pividol7 ай бұрын
I loved the part when you cooked the heat wrap lol
@hatifnat91305 ай бұрын
Hi. From what I saw in previous videos with true dual exhaust you connected cylinders 1-2 and 3-4. I wonder what the difference would be if it was 1-4 and 2-3?
@some-replies7 ай бұрын
True duals on V engines keep each bank separate from port to tailpipe. You just did a Y pipe with two exits. A better test would be to make two separate exhaust manifolds and have the exhaust separate the entire way. That would be an actual true dual system
@luipars5 ай бұрын
Fuck performance. The true quad sounds the best a 4 cylinder has ever sounded, and I'm doing it on mine for sure
@jacquescrusan95007 ай бұрын
This is my second attempt at asking for a 4-8-4-2-1 system. I shall try again next video.
@magooracing7 ай бұрын
The true duals must lose too much mid range torque. One of them might make more power than stock but at redline, and that’s not real world driving. Only on the race track do you always use the upper range of the revs. It was interesting to hear the different pipes. Excellent work man!
@EvoIX____7 ай бұрын
Subscribing! I just love the vibe of the vids man!
@tescoshortage7 ай бұрын
Go for a true equal length header setup.
@HatersGarage7 ай бұрын
I'm probably going to modify these headers to be equal length long tubes at some point.
@allthehandlesweretaken7 ай бұрын
what about a all in one collector. (those weird cone shaped ones)
@HighSpeedMercenary7 ай бұрын
What was the pipe diameter of the dual setup? Too much area is bad for velocity. If you ran duals, they should have been 2 inches. Maybe even less as it traveled away from the manifold. There are V8’s running 2 inch duals.
@dylanromine41017 ай бұрын
20-55 is a torque pull so naturally the normal exhaust will do better because it has back pressure which improves torque
@Sero122456 ай бұрын
Never owned a sentra, always liked them though. Solid car
@AutoMoose7 ай бұрын
What about true dual with stock diameter pipes? I thinking with larger pipes you might have gained more air flow but lost the scavenging effect.
@bennanoman7 ай бұрын
It would be insanely cool to see a dual exhaust BUT one pipe is for one cylinder and the other pipe is used by the other three
@fortheloveofnoiseАй бұрын
I wish I could do this to my daily 98 5 speed Sentra....but I would get endless tickets 😂
@veejay1207937 ай бұрын
Idk what size you’re using but if it’s dual 2.5 that’s like the pipes on my 5.0.I would try a smaller pipe.
@viptrayy96567 ай бұрын
You should buy eBay turbo kit for the QR
@marwintalens70663 ай бұрын
honestly planning on getting a true dual on my miata.. imma get some measurements