How Badly Was PlayStation 3 Over-Hyped?

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[@markvicferrer]

Kutaragi went overboard with hyperbole. The Fable developer was exclusive to Microsoft; imagine if Peter Molyneux worked on a project with Kutaragi. That game would cure cancer overnight.

[@libcrypt98]

Molyneux is full of shit.

[@VictorHugoAlvarez-eternelymiss]

MarkVicFerrer Dear the Graphics of Killzone 2 its Destroys the XBox 360 so hard that it gave it 3rl, the enviroment Textures Resolution in Killzone 2 is higher than any game till PS4, and all thanks to the Cell PRocessor high performance on Processing of Graphics!!!!!

[@WildfireX]

I think the biggest selling point was the Blu-ray player more than anything.

[@photonboy999]

agree

[@eddiecoker4808]

Factssssss lol came with Talladega nights as well!

[@ericbaker8781]

My grandpa bought us a ps3 just for the blu ray player

[@ajmetz82]

That's a good point, and of course, it was the BluRay playback capability that was largely seen as responsible for PS3 coming out in 2006 instead of 2005, giving Xbox 360 their head start.

[@WarMomPT]

Family's first DVD player was a PS2. Family's first BD Player was a PS3.

[@matheusnave8220]

PSP was such a nice device, it's like a ps2 on the palm of your hand

[@aiodensghost8645]

I still have a PSP Go... and that thing CAN fit in the palm of your hand

[@alphagames8737]

It was ahead of its time

[@realtalkrealthingsent.8024]

Way ahead of its time, loved playing dextor on there and Medal of Honor too

[@michaelmonstar4276]

So is the PS2 Slim...

[@satnav1980]

It was nice. But the device made my left hand cramp like crazy. The thumb stick was too low down.

[@ridiculous_gaming]

Sony's saving grace was the Blu-ray drive, which could play games. PS3 was originally the best quality Blu-ray player during its early day. Motorstorm was the reason why I picked up my PS3.

[@djtomoy]

I found the best feature of the ps3 was it ability to preserve the fingerprints of everyone who touched it. When one of my blue ray copies of Big Mamma’s House went missing from inside it I was able implicate one of my housemates in the theft via forensic analysis of the oh so shiny surface.

[@russellburnett3620]

😂😂😂

[@printicewhite]

😂

[@someshwarrao42]

Lowkey underrated feature

[@MsUltraBob]

Really loved the Ps3, it had great games, an extremely good bluray and 3d player and you could play online games totally free. It was also backwards compatible to Ps1 and some versions also to Ps2 games.

[@StreetPreacherr]

Being the CHEAPEST BLU-RAY player definitely helped them win the sales title. And another HUGE benefit of the 360 was it's dedicated SCALING chip, which actually made the GPU even MORE POWERFUL since resolution scaling was 'free'& automatic'! While on PS3 developers had to worry about programming the GPU to support different output resolutions.

[@MichaelM28]

@@StreetPreacherrok xbot

[@Nitroscion]

The 360 had a great online experience that I’m still longing for its return. I don’t know why online games have gone backwards in that regard. Also, the HoloLens app was amazing for understanding what was happening in the early seasons of game of thrones. It was a map and would switch in real time where the characters were at in that very moment in the story. It also would show additional information of the characters. It was great and interactive that doesn’t exist today. My point is, consoles had so much potential and promise that doesn’t exist anymore. Sony and Microsoft have lost what made the consoles great to have. It seems like they think celebrating the alphabet mafia is what makes gaming fun. I miss old days where gaming was made for the gamers and not forcing dogma.

[@MichaelM28]

@@NitroscionPS3 >>>>>>>>>> 360

[@SongySan]

I had both a PS3 and an Xbox 360 (actually 2 of each, my first PS3 died and my first 360 RROD'ed). The 360 got all the love because I hated the PS3 controller, the 360 was mostly better for multi-platform titles, and I wasn't interested in the PS3 exclusive titles. I mostly just used the PS3 as a blu ray player.

[@Mangomesh]

My PS3 died the day the PS4 came out, which is ironic. I bought the original PS3 to play my old games.

[@michaelmayers3622]

Mine died when I decided to get a ps4 for gtaso tech it's still alive

[@foufoufun]

Mine died right after I got my PS4 too. I got it fixed and the cool thing about it is that the repair guy had to replace the motherboard. I went from the 80gb model motherboard (has software ps2 emulation) to a launch unit motherboard (that has ps2 hardware on it). I had some PS2 games that didn't worked (like Mana Khemia 2 and Tales of Legendia) and now they work perfectly.

[@butchdeadlift7551]

​@@foufoufunPut custom firmware on it so you can run custom fan profiles to keep the temp under 70c for the GPU or it'll die again. Sony wanted them to run quiet but the GPU substrate was bad and would deform over time above 70c.

[@foufoufun]

@@butchdeadlift7551 Yeah, I'm thinking of doing it someday. I wouldn't call it quiet though.

[@Mangomesh]

It is so ironic to hear the same thing happened to so many others, the PS3 did its job that is all I can say. 😄

[@waaghals]

The insane hype (and CGI demos) was a deliberate tactic to stop people people from buying an x360, they weren't just "enthusiastic" or anything like that. I am also skeptical that the Cell was the only problem, rumor on Beyond3d forums back in the day was that the PS3's OS took up over 100mb of RAM at launch vs the x360's 30 ish. It would come down eventually.

[@dlbutters7164]

To me, the PS3 was the last "magic box", so mysterious and so impressive, look at GoW 3 and Ascension, those graphics are still absurd, the scale of those bosses!

[@cyphaborg6598]

The crazy thing is that they got The last of US to run on it. That little RAM (even for that time in 2013) and still somehow made it work.

[@kamilciura7953]

​@@cyphaborg6598 The Last of Us was dragging PS3 kicking and screaming, but it was built on top of Uncharted 3 tech. IMO they overshoot with ambition there, it would be better to scale back detail and complexity just a tiny little bit to ensure more consistent lock to 30fps. Because of framerate issues, I have never managed to kill Clicker using a bow and arrow while playing on PS3 😂 But in PS4 remaster which came out like 2 years later I rarely failed at it. But it may also have something to do with the fact how I hate Dual Shock 3 and how "weird" was deadzone of sticks in comparison to other gamepads I've ever used.

[@Christopher-md7tf]

They're not "still absurd" lol, wtf are you smoking

[@eduardolobos7380]

​@@Christopher-md7tfHe meant how a device from 2006 could produce wonderful graphic with such little ram and overall mid range specs that even look great nowdays.

[@Christopher-md7tf]

@@eduardolobos7380 And I'm saying they do not look "great" nowadays. Great for the time, sure.

[@user-rt7eq7cw8o]

10:34 Most American take going. Master System was huge in the uk and brazil and mainland europe. Was basically sega's first console sold in the west, and they dominated multiple markets. Thats isnt a failure at all.

[@segasdreamer]

I thought the most forward thinking component to the PS3 was the ability to swap HDD. I popped an SSD in mine and Rage has almost no pop in. Other games win installs also benefited. Of course audio is much better because of the blu ray disc size and the fact Sony wanted the machine at launch to play just about everything; DVDs, blu rays, CDs, and super audio CDs. While they cut out super audio CDs, the hardware had amazing audio capabilities.

[@Gr00t]

ooo, didn't know it could leverage the higher speed. Might have to throw one in mine for the 1 time i play it every 5 years lol.

[@segasdreamer]

@@Gr00t The PS3 uses SATA 1 so there's bottlenecking, but the cost of SSDs justifies the upgrade more than when I first put one in.

[@federicocatelli8785]

​@@segasdreamer Yeah seek times of SSD helps

[@pro-storm4951]

Considering i'm still playing games on it almost two decades later I think it was worth every penny

[@SteveSmith-wq4gp]

That wasnt the question, the question was if it was overhyped. They showed fake cgi trailers and said it was gameplay, knowing the console couldnt achieve that. They lied and overhyped it. Its pretty simple really.

And I'm actually looking to buy one in 2024... So many great games that you can't play on PS4/PS5. It had a rough start, fake trailers and was nowhere near the 1080p machine they advertised, but looking back, it sure had a great library of games, HD collections and aged really well (HDMI, wifi, wireless controllers, etc.).

[@michaelmonstar4276]

It didn't have a great library at first and it didn't do well for years, also because it was overpriced. It took a whole make-over and re-marketing, plus a significant price-cut, to basically re-launch it back in 2009, about 3 years after release, to get people on board with it. That was the PS3 Slim and Kevin Butler era, which even pulled myself in as well. - Cause while I had a PS2 before that, I also kind of glossed over the PS3 at first, as I didn't feel the need for it, but then the Slim was a way better deal, with a lot more interesting games for it, with the matured software, more compact console itself, and better price. Oh, and it helped that it had a Blu-ray player, but mine died years ago, so... great.

[@pro-storm4951]

@@SteveSmith-wq4gp Settle Petal

[@SteveSmith-wq4gp]

@@pro-storm4951 Settle your gums

[@itsmatt517]

PS3 ended up having the best looking exclusives of that gen though

[@alphagames8737]

Facts

[@Threewlz]

man, uncharted 2 was nuts. I remember quite well when I saw the gameplay demo and thought that it was impossible to have such amazing graphs on a 256mb console and that no PC could replicate that

[@tears2040]

@@Threewlz First time I played Last Of Us I couldn’t believe it. Thought it was the best looking video game I’ve ever played and it was actually good. Sure now Xbox has HellBlade 2 but it’s horrible

[@overwatch761]

They arguably had the best artists and studios spent longer on exclusives for sure.

[@cyphaborg6598]

@@tears2040 That's what i don't get about people that are using Hellblade2 as a flex for the Xbox. It's just not a good game.

[@HenrikoMagnifico]

Xbox's main issue is that they're ignoring core gamers, who are the ones willing to take risks when purchasing consoles

[@AthleticHobo-br4qh]

Kutaragi was drinking his own koolaid, he thought his Cell arch developed in a Sony/Toshiba/IBM patnership could up end the chip industry. He also thought Playstation could eventually conquer the pc space and overtake microsofts home turf.

[@itsd0nk]

Loving the Starship Troopers playing on the TV behind John. Is there motion interpolation enabled on his TV during movie playback? It looked like 60fps Starship Troopers. Or is that just insanely crisp OLED action?

[@yarnsharke]

Those pre-render trailers were just pre-renders. But Kutaragi promoted them as gameplay.

[@Mangomesh]

The red ring of death did not help the 360.

[@StreetPreacherr]

Microsoft should have counted all of the replacement systems in their 'total sales', then they probably would have come out on top!

[@buschg7106]

Red light of death didn't help PS3

[@MichaelM28]

@@StreetPreacherrI'm pretty sure they did lol

[@MichaelM28]

@@buschg7106it did significantly less damage compared to 360 though

[@H3LLGHA5T]

@@buschg7106 the yellow light of death was a FAT PS3 thing and the PS3 didn't start to sell that well until the slim came along which wasn't plagued by that problem.

[@jumhig]

PS3 was very much about Blu-ray and hdmi full hd when it was released, it was the future, nevermind the CPU/GPU architecture.

[@SteveSmith-wq4gp]

Yet barely any of its games could get full hd really, and most of them ran at lower resolution than 360. how long you been watching Df? youd know this if you had been watching them since ps3 360 days.

[@nunosa528]

​@@SteveSmith-wq4gpif you watche DF you would know there are 1080p ( and in resolution pretty close to it) games on PS3. But you don't wanna say it because it doesn't suit your speech

[@ComradeChyrk]

I switched from the 360 to the ps3 in the later years of the consoles life. Free online was one of the biggest reasons, but also i just preferred the exclusives. Im still holding out hope that they bring back warhawk and starhawk. Those games were amazing

[@MrSTVR]

PS3 marketing: "1080 FULL HD SUPERCOMPUTER!" PS3 in reality: 720p, sub 30fps, screen tearing box of processors. Glad i never followed the hype back then. I just waited a couple years and appreciated the George Foreman grill for what it was.

[@tomohawkcloud]

Don’t disrespect george foreman grill like that

[@MegaKiri11]

PS3 in reality: SUPERCOMPUTER!

[@mondodimotori]

I wonder how many people actualy cared about 1080p. Back in '07 I didn't even have a 1080p TV, and on my PC I was still playing at 1024x768 resolution. 1080p in 2007 was the top end stuff.

[@gothpunkboy89]

​@@mondodimotori I didn't even use an HDMI cable for most of the gen.

[@antemlikota8760]

@@gothpunkboy89yes, me also, i used my ps3 on a Sony Trinitron CRT at the time all the way up until 2011 almost, i think i bought my first 1080p TV ever in December of 2010 i believe im pretty sure so… didn’t even bother tbh back then bcs at the end of the day the most important thing was having fun with the games, which i did 😎

[@The92Waffles]

3:30 sorry if this was mentioned in the video and I missed it but, what book was John referring to here?

[@telerye]

I believe it’s: The Race for a New Game Machine. TL;DR: MS saw what Sony, IBM & Toshiba were cooking. Asked IBM to use it and massively took advantage of Sony’s R&D budget to build the CPU of the 360. Thanks in part to that they were able to get the 360 out early to market. My 2 cents is that this “trimmed” R&D bled over to MS not properly cooling the 360.

[@qlum]

The main reason the ps3 didn't lose was games, it was never much worse than the 360, got more great exclusives, and after developers came to grips with the architecture games were similar enough. Another thing to not forget was you did not have to pay for online play, so convincing people to pick that up was easier too.

[@amazingamazigh1538]

Games weren't just similar enough. They were LEAGUES ahead trashbox 360.

[@matsnilson7727]

Not sure if my memory fails me, but wasnt't there initially plans for the PS3 to ship without a dedicated GPU, where the CELL processor was supposed to handle that task as well?

[@ezg8448]

Yes, some of the original plans were to use a 2nd CELL processor as a GPU. Good thing they didn't. Programming issues aside, the costs would have been driven even higher and Sony estimated a loss of $200 per launch unit sold.

[@silversquid1814]

Yep. Naughty Dog convinced Sony at the last minute that it really needed a GPU so they had to throw in a half-assed chip that was weaker than the 360 despite aiming for greater graphical fidelity than the 360. Sony genuinely seemed to believe that the Cell was some sort of magic bullet that would change technology forever and it turned out to just be a needlessly complex piece of shit.

[@mimimimeow]

Not quite, the original plan indeed have a GPU, not a typical one but something like an exponentially more powerful version of the PS2 GS rasterizer unit. If the PS2 had VU handling vertices and GS handling pixels, PS3 would have SPU doing vertices and "GS2" handling absurd amount of pixels. Yes this means it's extremely horrible to work on

[@Fuuntag]

Apparently I wanted one so badly I was going to get a second job so I could afford it. Perhaps this and other memories of Ken making promises for the PS3 would have “aged” better if I had stored them in my “digital locker” to improve the quality. Anyway , Excuse me, I have to go play some “Riiiidge Racer”. You all remember that one? Right?

[@zerocal76]

I remember my uncle paying $800 for one the week it released and I was like 😮😮 800 was like 10 Gs to me as a kid 😄

[@iconofsin4578]

I think the most hyped console ever

[@amazingamazigh1538]

And for very good reasons. PS3 is and will remain the absolute goat.

[@photonboy999]

*"..but the PS3 outsold the XBOX 360. What could Microsoft have done to..."* ?? Uh, you forgot to mention that the PS3 had a BluRay player. That was kind of a huge deal. Standalone BluRay players at the time were rushed out and very expensive. And had compatibility issues. Even if you just wanted the PS3 for the BluRay player it could make sense to a lot of people.

[@H3LLGHA5T]

The FAT PS3 was less expensive than the cheapest Blu ray Players when it launched

[@zanychelly]

Xbox360 had a great start, but after 2010 the appeal was gone. There was no new IPs after that point.

[@michaelmonstar4276]

Moving to the PlayStation 4 must've been such a breath of fresh air for studios like Naughty Dog. - Not to get like pretentious about them, but they were already so ahead of things with what they were trying to do with games like "Uncharted" (at least 2 and onward, though even 1 was pushing conventions here and there) and of course "The Last of Us", it probably didn't help at all that the PS3 was so difficult. It's amazing what they managed to achieve with those 4 major titles on the PS3. - But then the PS4 came along and, due to exclusivity, they were finally able to really make those games shine or at least run properly, as the PS3 seemed to physically strain under them, especially with the ones they remastered. Though, then they squeezed the PS4 for all it's got yet again with "TLoU2", which in its turn is also amazing for what they pulled off with what was essentially already a 4-5 year old computer at the point they started full development on that game. - Then of course the PS5 lifted that up again, and so on. But it just gives context to those consoles and their tech. Like... man... Imagine if 'Heavenly Sword' got a remaster for PS4 or something, then it wouldn't need to have such erratic framerates and look quite blurry at that. - I actually played that game when it was relatively new, but even at that time, while impressive for what it was, the framerate-drops and lower resolutions were actually a blemish upon an otherwise gorgeous game. Ninja Theory were just as much already pushing the boundaries back then, but clearly limited by that console. And also in their case it's amazing they got it done, but it just looks like it should've been a PS4-title just as well, even though it came out 6 years before it. - And I actually kinda love the PS3, it's special, but what a mess!

[@amazingamazigh1538]

A (mess)merizing console 😎😏😁🫡

[@Nile_tendo1]

Can you do like an gameplay and graphics analysis/ comparison of ea sport fc 24 on the Nintendo switch vs other console

[@BladeV8]

I don't think the PS3 was ever overhyped, I just think it suffered from the same problem a bunch of current gen suffers from, namely the studios chasing large install & a flat dev structure. The CELL stuff did do a bunch of things other hardware couldn't, and it basically iterated on the PS2s design in the Emotion Engine. The PS2 had a similar stilted launch dev wise, but people got on board and by the end of its lifecycle everyone knew how to get the best from it. The PS3 didn't have that luxury because Microsoft went the route of Power PCs, and Steam became a big player in the market for the first time. It was suddenly much easier to basically make a game for PC that ported easily to 360 and vice versa than learn a whole different architecture and optimization pipeline. I swear in like 5/10 years you'll suddenly see a huge uptick in "what the PS3 was really capable of" port videos, a la the current N64/Dreamcast ones, purely because the industry will better understand what they were going for & more people will "get" the hardware.

[@StreetPreacherr]

I don't know. This was the last new console generation release that I actually closely followed, and I remember that the 'CELL PROCESSOR' was all you heard about! Sony was boasting that the 'CELL' was REVOLUTIONARY, and would allow for unbelievably advanced games... However I think the most impressive feature ended up being able to do 'FOLDING AT HOME'!

[@agus.lorenzo]

I do believe we will see PS3 ports of newer games and we will be stunned.

[@russellsegui9215]

I mean maybe but it took this long to get someone to do those things it sorta speaks to how mis guided the design was does it not?

[@SteveSmith-wq4gp]

Sony showed fake cgi trailers to trick people, the console couldnt deliver those graphics, therefore it was overhyped. Its pretty simple really. Im surprised anyone struggles to grasp this.

[@mimimimeow]

@@russellsegui9215 That's not really a CPU design issue, that's a documentation and development tools problem. If there was an abstraction layer for GPU functions on the SPU maybe devs can reach parity early on.

[@sir.fender6034]

PS3 had Blu-Ray, Bluetooth, internal WiFi, back compat with PS2 and PS1 games, built in storage solution. PS3 version 1 could run other OS's like Linux. So many freaking features but the games ran better on 360 most of the time.

[@Phunkydiabetic]

What book is John talking about at the 3:32 mark when he's talking about the x360 cpu?

[@bertoku]

I think he was reffering to "the race for a new game machine"

[@Phunkydiabetic]

@@bertoku ok ill check it out

[@odip81]

I've been looking forward to your take on E3 Xbox 360 2006.

[@richardash753]

It reminds me of the Saturn's odd CPU . Odd how IBM helped with this CPU and also did the PowerPC that did the 360.

[@tm0054]

People forget how widespread the RROD was on the 360. There was like a 50% chance that your machine was going to fail in a year or two from the original batch. I do think that messed with their momentum and hurt their future generations. I had a 360 (and it was awesome), after 2 RRODs I went exclusively to the PS3 and didn't bother fixing my 360 again.

[@raydilly3142]

With today's tech, we really could have a Motorstorm that looks like that overly ambitious demo. That would be freaking AWESOME! Motorstorm is the sole reason I still have a PS3 hooked up to my TV.

[@slimbroco572]

The commercials sold me

[@federicocatelli8785]

It was hard to develop for like the Saturn before

[@chamamemestre]

The best thing about this discussion was the Starship Troopers movie on the background.

[@arcadeutopia3035]

Oh my word i absolutely loved the build up to the PS3 ❤

[@wssayer]

I remember after the E3 announcement I said to myself I didn't need a PS3 ( already had a 360). A few days after launch I saw a Motorstorm loop being played in the local in town Currys window and bought one there and then. For the first year I mostly played PS2 games, FF12, GOW2 and Gradius 5. I was never interested in owning a PS2, as I had the Xbox and GC.

[@ScientificZoom]

Actually disappoint happens with its texture popping, the sony only made showoff, rather concentrating on how to deliver what's being promised or shown

[@lovmn38]

GTA 4 and 5 graphics was crazy good on PS3

[@EndoV2]

If they had given the Xbox 360 a blu ray player to begin with, sales would’ve been higher. That was a big selling point of the ps3 as it was still cheaper than most blu ray players at that time

[@pyeltd.5457]

That was Sonys new invention back then. No one was allowed to have it until they gave out the license to others.

[@NB-1]

Well, even if the GPU was inferior it ran at 32bit color while 360 only in 24bit, probably upscaled to 32bit which was common for ATI GPUs at the time. Some PS3 games had way more dynamic range than the 360 could offer, making the graphics look kinda HDR. I'm thinking of Motorstorm2 or After Burner Climax which was released on both platforms. OutRun2 Arcade is another example. And RR7 had also more going on with colors (some blooming effects) than the pretty similar RR6 on 360.

[@dp27thelight9]

I bought the MSG4 edition and MSG4 and Demons Souls became my two favorite games since Zelds Ocarina of Time.

[@derptyderp5287]

I think the PS3 picked up a few sales once it became a cheap blu-ray player... And it also had an easy way to swap your netflix region for a while.

[@blindwatcherseye2229]

I wasn't following the industry closely at the time, and I got killzone 2 a few years after launch, not knowing the controversy, and it blew my mind with how good it looked. Nothing could compare with passing off a cg movie as gameplay, but kz2 was an amazing looking game

[@THEDTSMAN]

We all love talking about the PS3. More please. Thanks

[@joshanton2259]

It would be interesting to see PS3 exclusives homebrew ported to run on an Xbox 360 maybe they would run better.

[@LethalMartialArtist]

PS3 out sold Xbox 360 eventually it had a crazy amount of awesome games the uncharted trilogy, the last of us, god of war, metal gear 4 etc etc

[@tears2040]

Loved PS3 and this was coming from a strictly hardcore Xbox Gamer. Once I finally played Uncharted, Last Of Us I realized Sony developed some really amazing video games that were missing on Xbox. Also while Xbox Live was better, Sony was FREE and once my Xbox Live expired I kept playing only on Sony. Loved also when GTAV released on PS3 and played online for FREE

[@Chriscras2]

John do not underestimate the red ring of death effect.

[@BunnyslippersEUC]

The GPU on the PS3 needed to fill in the blanks. But as a whole the PS3 could do more than the Xbox360. No games on the Xbox360 could touch Killzone 2, God of War 3, Uncharted 2, Infamous 2 etc. Halo 3 didn't look good to me, it was just Halo 2 in HD with few added effects. Gears of War was downgraded heavily from the original techdemo on PC and was devoided of all colours. In 2015 Sony messed up. And had nothing to show. The lawsuit was still going with the vibration feedback in controllers. There was no real hardware and no fully working games.

[@itsd0nk]

Halo 2 on the 360 looked better than Halo 3 to me. I hated the bad frame pacing on Halo 3 and went back to the ultra smooth Halo 2 for a while.

[@kasjamm]

None of those games look dramatically better than Halo 4, Forza, Gear of War 3 etc

[@PlusUltraAdrian]

@@kasjamm Uncharted looked better than any Gears and Halo game at that time.

[@TechRyze]

Xbox also went all in on Kinect in the final 3rd of the 360’s lifecycle. Gamers were left with Forza/Gears/Halo and 343/Black Tusk instead of Bungie/Epic. Add the RROD console failures that had everybody’s 360 failing at least once until 2009-10, and the door was wide open with the PS3 Slim models, to get a PS3 in 2010 onwards and play through the exclusives that were excellent by that point. PS Move was more of a ‘hardcore’ Wiimote in comparison to Kinect being more ‘wave your arms or dance’, so that helped as well.

[@El.Duder-ino]

Ken Kutagari wanted to continue unique HW legacy of the PS2 with the PS3 and let devs and programmers to squeeze every single drop of performance hard way through well optimized code, however the PS3 design was rushed in the end with the Nvidia GPU and it all end up in a kind of mess which wasn't the original plan. Also the new paradigm was becoming popular which started with the original Xbox and continued with the Xbox 360 to give devs HW they r familiar with from the day 1 and let them optimize their code and tools to squeeze out of it as much as they can. Now with the best AAA video games costing multi million dollars to develop the general purpose HW and architecture is the ONLY way to move forward either by utilizing x86 or Arm based machines. Maybe in the far future we will see RISC 5 chips but it will be very unlikely that consoles will get some unique chips like CELL or what PS2 had. This is the name of the game right now and it kind of make sense also to make video games mainstream and spread on as many devices as possible.

[@mondodimotori]

Disappointment? The day I got my PS3 I was overjoyed. And it provided countless hours of fun to me and my brother. When I moved out from my parents house for university, I went and bought another PS3. Even if the PS4 had been around for a few years alredy. I still have it, now paired with a 360. And it still get use from time to time.

[@kennethhumphrey952]

I bought the PS3 slim after my Xbox 360 died. I really liked it at the time and wished that I would've kept that console. At $600 plus it wasn't worth while getting but then it got down to $300. I thought it was a great machine but they had worked out many of the bugs late in the cycle.

[@tonyryan1892]

The hype was going to be huge, following from the success of PS2. It is interesting to look back and see where they went wrong

[@will891410]

PS3 and 360 were made for 480p to 720p games not for 1080i or p, that is why most games perform like garbage on this machines.

[@amazingamazigh1538]

Uncharted 2 and 3 are staring at u tho lmao

[@jjcranfill]

I feel like the PS3/360 era was the last true console generation. Once they switched over to PC hardware it definitely became more developer friendly, but a lot less exciting. The PS3 architecture definitely afforded it unique capabilities, if the 360 really could have just run everything to equivalence on gpu then we should have seen TLOU graphical quality on that system, and it should have came sooner due to easier to code for architecture. The PS4 and Xbone do have impressive ports for what they are, but it was definitely less exciting of a generation looking back.

[@DJ_Dopamine]

How Badly Was PlayStation 3 Over-Hyped? YES.

[@rd4k04]

When thinking about PS3 outselling the 360, remember we see the same thing happen with iPhone vs Android. It's all marketing and brand perception.

[@user-tb5re6zs2r]

Is wasn't overhyped, it was amazing technology wise. Just it was a difficult architecture to develop for, so not many games came out or when they did they were already out on Xbox and PC. The system itself was amazing

[@SteveSmith-wq4gp]

Please learn what overhyped means. They showed fake cgi trailers and said it was gameplay, knowing the console couldnt achieve that. They lied and overhyped it. Its pretty simple.

[@user-tb5re6zs2r]

@@SteveSmith-wq4gp please don't take your daddy issues out on me

[@SteveSmith-wq4gp]

@@user-tb5re6zs2r Please learn to grow up and take critisicsm

[@TheRevengeSociety]

Ps3/360/wii generation was the best one to be apart of man. All the hype and fanboying was top tier

[@nicolaspeter1679]

If anything it was under hyped, it really was the do it all machine of the living room, and it was sold at a loss. Yeah I was too poor to afford one at launch, But I did manage to find one second hand a year later around the time Metal Gear Solid 4 was out. Got it and loved it

[@GlassICE]

The only games i've enjoyed on a PS3 was the 3 Uncharted and few games here n there, less than 20 games i guess The rest i just played on an X360 and a PC afterwards

[@justinw7323]

Ridge racerrrrrrrrrr!

[@leruty]

Remember that one?

[@myretronation]

the BD player was the main reason I bought the PS3 however, it worked as a gateway drug back into gaming as I had quit gaming midway through the 6th gen consoles this was the one single console i invested in the most

[@zerocal76]

DF has the coolest tech-talks! Get it, get it, instead of Ted Talks, Tech Talks 😁😄 Now that IGN owns part of DF, its even more important to never change guys! Thanks for the nerdy console talk 🙏

[@MyNameIsBucket]

the architecture wasn't as "exotic" as you'd think - the Cell processor was based on PowerPC (same as the 360) and the GPU was an underpowered GeForce 7800. the limitation was the over-reliance on multithreaded processing, which was a new concept at the time. multi-core CPUs were a few years old then but applications were still largely single-threaded. it also didn't help that it wasn't truly a multi-core CPU; it was more like a Pentium 4 on steroids. performance was going to be pretty poor unless the developer knew how to load balance all 6 SPEs.

[@SteveSmith-wq4gp]

7600gt last i knew

[@halofreak1990]

I recall the PPE in the CELL having two hardware threads, just like one of the three cores in the Xbox 360's Xenon CPU, as the Xenon CPU was actually based on IBM's design for the CELL PPE, except with three times as much physical cores

[@mimimimeow]

@@SteveSmith-wq4gp It's a full fledged 7800GTX with extra texture caches and FlexIO to offset the lower mem bandwidth. Despite being off the shelf design that small change made a lot of difference. One couldn't hope of running GTA5 on an actual 7800GTX

[@slakr2392]

Look Digital Foundry if that AI from GT7 works it’ll help with PS future. What do you think?

[@John-PaulHunt-pv6ol]

It’s not how you start it’s how you finish that defines who wins a console generation in my book.

[@fcukugimmeausername]

Nah, Ps3 is in third place for that gen.

[@harddobe]

Make no mistake, the way the Cell was, and what Sonys 1st parties had to do to make the amazing games they did like Uncharted, TLOU and Killzone 2 and 3, made these Sony first party studies ahead of the curve when it came to making your games to run on.paralell cores and to make each core run efficiently as it can for Maximum effect. Their inhouse engines are made after this, which is why their games look so good and run at high frame rates.

[@SteveSmith-wq4gp]

Sort of, but not really. 360 coding is much more relevant to todays games than ps3 coding. The cell was originally intended to be the only thing powering the ps3, no gpu at all. They wanted all the little cores to do functions a gpu would handle. Then they realised it just wasnt powerful enough, obviously, so they slapped in a 7600gt (an already generation or 2 old card and one weaker than 360s) and pivoted how they wanted the system to function, going from solely cpu, to mainly gpu handling graphics and the cpus spus helping it along. Basically making up for the weak gpu by coding functions the GPU would usualy handle, onto the cpu's little spu's. And for all that extra work, you got less performance than 360 still in most cases. No modern games do this, and nothing on the other systems since did either. They keep gpu and cpu functions seperate the same as always. Xbox 360 had 3 cores that used same architecture as cell from ibm, and six hardware threads. They just didnt use the spe/spus stuff that sony did, and put in a stronger gpu instead.The same way pc games worked and all home console games since. It trained devs in modern parralel coding much better than ps3, which was about coding functions onto the cpu that would never be put on the cpu again. The 360 basically ran games the same way pcs do and all consoles since, excluding ps3. BUT , i do beleive it has more relevance in the ARM space, where arm cpus from apple sort of follow a similar design as cell , having specialised cores on there. That has little relevance on modern home console gaming though.

[@tears2040]

@@SteveSmith-wq4gp Whole lot of typing for nothing, No Game on 360 could match what was being done by Sony 1st party developers. So much so that years later a remastered Last Of Us still looks better than 90+ percent of anything on Xbox currently

[@sjuric2435]

​@@SteveSmith-wq4gpYou are wrong about PS3 GPU its not 7600GT but 7800GT mutch stronger and X360 GPU is very similar to Radeon X1800xt. They are in same generation but X360 GPU have 10mb of EDRAM which give it a certain advantage but key and strong poitn is in Unified Shader Architecture a more modern approach and better oriented and capable for modern games that use shaders. I agree for the rest with you.

[@SteveSmith-wq4gp]

@@tears2040 Whole lot of typing to prove you wrong. Now everyone can see my comment and how wrong you were. Enjoy :)

[@SteveSmith-wq4gp]

@@sjuric2435It was actually in between the 2. It had half the meory bandwidth of a 78000, 50mhz slower clock speed. That is not a 7800.

[@beyondu77]

If the Xbox 360 had a Blu-ray player it would have competed better, but we know that Microsoft backed HD-DVD and then it was an add-on device.

[@halofreak1990]

and now we have come full-circle with add-on disc drives for the disk-less, current-gen consoles.

[@butchdeadlift7551]

The 360 dominated in the US. It outsold the PS3 3-to-1 here.

[@ChrisCarlos64]

I don't believe there was a hype issue. Granted, coming off the PS2, anything had large expectations to build off of, but honestly IMO the PS3 at the end of its life delivered. It took some time, but I'd say Sony's first 3 consoles were some of the near perfect generation defining systems for its time. The PS3 was just such a slow starter in part because the HD transition was such a difficult transition for all the studios. It shifted the culture of development to what we mostly see now in toda's market to some extent. From online updates, patches, microtransactions, downloadable games, etc. That combined with just learning to make games on the tech of this system was difficult. The Cell architecture processor probably never got its full realization with the purpoted Cell graphics chip that also never came about, but it did still some amazing things that makes me wish, to an extent, modern systems woud have SOMETHING unique about them that makes exclusive stand out on that system. In the end though, PS3 was just too expensive for the market, and too bold to ask for that. Even Xbox One learned its lesson against the competition and suffered ultimately the same fate compared to its competitors. PS3 was essentially needing some humbling in the beginnings, but I believe Sony really learned a lot, and we had seen many great exclusives that made the system stand out and be unique in its own way. It was also the last system to really own the Japanese quirky side of Sony, because in PS4 they more westernized, and Nintendo's Switch seemed to have picked up that slack essentially, or rather be the last haven for it.

[@user-rt7eq7cw8o]

They showed fake cgi trailers and said it was gameplay, knowing the console couldnt achieve that. They lied and overhyped it. Its pretty simple.

[@Sitharii]

I don't think that your viewer's remark about PS3 hype is only about gaming . I remember back in those days ,i was reading articles that PS3's "CELL"-Processor was so powerful that countries such as Iran was ordering huge PS3 quantities in order to use those processors in their😲😱 "missile-programs" !!! PS3's hype was simply🤓🤯 ,the DEFINITION of hype !!! i was hearing all those rumors and i was expecting the PS3 to ... *wipe out every competition*

[@candidosilva7755]

I have both and for me even today the ps3 is a beter machine.

[@xxnike0629xx]

Giant Enemy Crabs $599.99 Honestly by the time we see a PS6 and the next Xbox console (if there is), we're probably done in terms of consoles and we're probably going to see maybe Nintendo with another console and the other 2 just publishing games for PC.

[@backlashD]

360 had no games in it's second half of life. If they didn't focus on trend chasing motion controls and focused on games like PlayStation did, things probably would have ended different. I started with a 360, but ended the generation with PS3. Uncharted's graphics were hard to ignore at the time.

[@saturnFIV3]

I'm still hyped about PS triple

[@soraaoixxthebluesky]

In my country, during PS360 era, I’ve seen more 360 replacing PS2 in most houses mainly due to pricing issues with PS3 but at the end of the day Xbox can never outsold PS3 due to lack of official store here. Consumers love peace of mind. As for branding people will always going back to Sony for PlayStation as it is the “iPhone” of the consoles market.

[@johnellis3383]

I miss the weird architecture of previous console gens. PS5 and Series X are great game boxes but basically just streamlined small form factor PCs. PSP was freaking AMAZING BTW! PS Vita was set to take over the portable market and Sony just missed at every step. So disappointing!

[@buschg7106]

I just bought a ps3 and play it with 360. Actually, I'm holding the controller and playing it right now. 360 is waaaay better. Same games, but the 1080p looks way worse than the 360. I play it for GT5 and the PS1 digital library.

[@MichaelM28]

PS3 is a million times better than the trashbox 360

[@applebottomjames]

Wait, who ripped off who's CPU?? What book?????? I gotta know!!!!

[@halofreak1990]

IBM took their design for the CELL's PPE and used that as a basis for the triple-core Xenon CPU in the Xbox 360

[@applebottomjames]

I had the same question and looked it up. IBM had been developing the Cell processor with Sony for awhile and Microsoft hit IBM up for their own processor for the next Xbox. IBM proceeds to basically show them the Cell processor, without saying who it is for, and Microsoft basically asked for a version that wasn’t a huge pain in the ass to use and they got a, still very good for the time, dumbed down version of the processor. Basically Sony managed to eventually keep up years into the console wars bc while Xbox had a stronger GPU, the SPU’s on the Cell were really good at handling extra load/tasks when you know how to work them. Sony formed a team of first party developers named ICE (no, not the government agency that kidnaps kids at the border) and those devs worked together to write documentation on how to squeeze the most out of the SPU’s for faster/better game development. I still wonder how much of that ever found its way to third party devs bc I feel like they had to have been given similar insights lol

[@MrBarrelNut]

PS5 was overhyped as well. The power of SSD crap and stuff like that.

[@amazingamazigh1538]

True but not as well tho. The PS3 at least did live up to its expectations.

[@sonicadv27]

It was overhyped in the same way the successor to the Switch is being overhyped. And i would be very surprised if it reached the same level of success as its predecessor because that has basically never happened in the past.

[@printicewhite]

The PS3 maintained hype partially because Digital Foundry wasnt available to show performance. Many people thought the ps3 was capable of running 1080p, and the 360 was 720p because very few people followed up and fact checked. With that said Sony overtook in the end because xbox brand was damaged by the rrod and they stopped supporting the 360 sooner. Sony was selling ps3s for years into the ps4 lifecycle.

[@angrynimbus270]

About as hypeampere

[@user-cz5uv2dm8s]

not as over hyped as the ps5, and x-box series 🤣

[@garytallowin6623]

I would not call it overhyped. Instead I would call it a slow burn... it took a while for devs to make the most of it with early games often not looking any better than the dreamcast version.

[@SteveSmith-wq4gp]

Please learn what overhyped means. They showed fake cgi trailers and said it was gameplay, knowing the console couldnt achieve that. They lied and overhyped it. Its pretty simple.

[@Romerco77]

Everything about the ps3 was straight a lie, Sony's style

[@amazingamazigh1538]

What about scamsoft's style 🤡🤣

[@olzzon]

It wasn't but this generations consoles do are .

[@user-rt7eq7cw8o]

They showed fake cgi trailers and said it was gameplay, knowing the console couldnt achieve that. They lied and overhyped it. Its pretty simple.

[@olzzon]

@@user-rt7eq7cw8o PS3 and xbox360 era actually realised games , a lots of them and games for that generation FOR the gamers making it one of the best memorable catalogues ever . Today ? Nothing releases, its more cut scenes than gameplay, political agendas thrown at us while the quality as quantity barley exists . This generation is a joke thats why half of the players in % still haven't switch over from last gen to current gen yet because after all these years out , still have not been worth it .

[@user-rt7eq7cw8o]

@@olzzon thats nothing to do with what we were discusisng

[@DJ_Dopamine]

@@user-rt7eq7cw8o correct.

[@AJJJ-co2vd]

Just as much as and console the 4 5 and of course Xbox

[@DaReapa]

It wasnt over hyped. The original PS3 was a complete package that still holds up to todays standards. Lets not forget the Kara demo that showed there was still room for graphical improvement.

[@SteveSmith-wq4gp]

Please learn what overhyped means. They showed fake cgi trailers and said it was gameplay, knowing the console couldnt achieve that. They lied and overhyped it. Its pretty simple.

[@thelonejedi538]

Speaking of "hype", I guarantee the Xbox claim of the biggest revolution in gaming history that is coming, will be they're streaming Xcloud to whatever they can and the next xbox "console" will be a dongle. The dongle for Xcloud that they have had for years, but held back on and stopped talking about

[@AdmiralBison]

7:50 PS3 outsold the X360 in the end besides its problematic specs and delayed start. Why? Because Sony knew the power of great exclusives as system sellers. Something Microsoft started to shy away from nead end of X360. For all those who lived the era ought to remember how Sony went into overdrive pushing big exclusives, after exclusives, after exclusives. Not all of them sold massively, BUT the sum gave the PS3 bragging rights and optics to be considered the exclusives platform while the Xbox360 known more as the "multi-plat" king. Also this was during a time, Microsoft shifted less on core gamers and more chasing casuals - Kinect, XBL Arcade, media and beginning shutting down some studios like Ensemble (a long time MS development house) THEN Microsofts true intentions began to manifest with the disasterous Xbox One. Microsoft DESTROYED years of good will of gamers and is doing so as well now with workers/game developers. Microsoft are ultimately to blame as they directly/indirectly call the shots NOT Xbox or its leaders good or bad.

[@MegaGoat]

How did PS3 outsell 360? How about the fact that 360s would be in a red ring crisis before people bought PS3s, the library didn't cater as well to people that were into JRPGs and female anime face games, the real world commercial product performance had flipped in favor of PS3 versions of games in the last few years, and XBox was losing momentum in core game development before the XBone as they chased shoving Kinect in everyone's hole. Why did Wii outsell them both significantly? Branding issue? Europe at it again? People wanted it more. Live in reality.

[@gabrieleriva651]

MS never released the final number of 360 sold. People theories that 5 million units of "Xbox consoles" sold between 2013 and 2016 were actually 360 and not XBOne. That would mean that PS 3 didn't outsell it.

[@G360LIVE]

@@gabrieleriva651 You're assuming the PS3 didn't continue to sell as well during that time frame you mention.

[@MegaGoat]

​@@gabrieleriva651 I'll take retail tracking numbers that say it did over what XBox would have to say about it anyway.