How Batteries SAVED The Grid This Summer!

[@LordSaliss]

Next project there you should add insulation panels to that garage door and some extra seals around the sides, plus change the motor out for a direct drive motor that mounts on the side and is WAY quieter. Keeps the garage a lot cooler in summer which will help the life of the electronics in there, and also warmer in the winter. Plus all the extra dust the sealing will keep out which is nice as well.

[@mrbizi5652]

Any links you recommend to solutions you are suggesting? Might want to do that myself

[@Justifier]

Replacing the garage door hinges with tensioned hinges, also advertised as "spring loaded garage door hinges" also does wonders Insulation and seals mean nothing if the wind just pushes the door in slightly and goes around the seal

[@kiddsupreme]

5:23 What a good doggo 🐶

[@1rjona]

Well trained. No barking during the video

[@mfpears]

Yeah it wasn't biting a chunk out of someone's leg like a dog I saw a few months ago. They're very endearing when they don't do that

[@Israel_Two_Bit]

I was about to write that the dog was my favorite part of the video, then I thought: I know someone has to have mentioned the dog! And I was right!

[@jeroenachten8513]

In Belgium a 15 kwh HV system costs avout 5.5k euro’s to install now. Prices came down so much the last months. There are no incentives or state subsidies,m which is really good as a subsidy driven market is very bad for pricing.

[@BLKMGK4]

Prices here are still crazy and with incoming tariff idiocy it will only get worse. I won't be surprised if we have the federal credits removed too with this incoming clown show

[@LordSaliss]

Very clean looking install The app looks a lot nicer and easier than Tesla's newer app design too.

[@iglapsu88]

Another good option! Thanks Ricky! Pretty darn sophisticated system.

[@junkerzn7312]

Note that NEM 1 and 2 installations only get 20 years from the date of the installation before they are automatically moved to NEM 3. My NEM 2 installation 20 years ago was just moved to NEM 3 at the beginning of this month, in fact. So double-check what NEM your parents are actually on(!) and figure out when theirs will switch over. The NEM-3 tariff is going to be E-ELEC and it does have a partial-peak period as well. Its pretty nasty. E-ELEC is the NEM-3 tariff. Check to see what tariff your parents are actually on. Once they're moved to NEM-3 they no longer get the infinite net'ing. It becomes an import/export game with fairly low export compensation outside of peak hours. Note that 20kWh of battery storage is really tiny, and 10kWh (roughly) of peak-period export is always a really small number. That said, non-DIY battery storage is not cheap so you go with what you do or get. And the main purpose is to deal with blackouts anyway, not really to break-even (which is unlikely with this particular system). It looks like quite a decent system to me otherwise, so happy you were able to throw it together for your folks! My folks really wanted to do solar and squeaked in with a NEM-2 installation just before the cut-off, so they are grid-tie. Even though we offered, my Dad insisted on paying for it (it wasn't cheap), though he at least borrowed the money to make ends meet from me instead of from a bank (0% interest verses 5%+ interest). He thinks of it as his contribution to the environment and future generations. At roughly 3:30 you mis-spoke slightly on interpreting the CAISO demand graph. The lower line is the demand from fossil sources. The higher line is the total demand. The area inbetween is covered by renewables. Roughly speaking. -Matt

[@budgetaudiophilelife-long5461]

🙋‍♂️THANKS RICKI🤗 FOR TAKING CARE OF YOUR PARENTS 😅 “no worries “ AND SHARING IT WITH US 🔋🔋🔋

[@gardenrailroading]

Very cool, we will be getting more solar with a battery backup in January. Love your videos!

[@michaeldurnell7375]

Theses systems are extremely expensive, what is their ROI on the system?

[@-whackd]

Negative if you're grid tied. Unless you have to run a business or lots of fridges and freezers during a power outage and your food could spoil.

[@CaedmonOS]

It's highly locational dependent because the difference between the off and the peak rates are going to change wherever you are. Also, how much power you use and when is going to come into play with this as well.

[@michaeldurnell7375]

@CaedmonOS That is why I put "their" as in his parnets I want to see if he did the numbers to see how long it will take to pay itself off.

[@Eric-xq4dy]

It would be interesting to see data around next year. It's also 'hard' to calculate ROI on a system that provides backup capability. What I would like to see is comparison of this system vs a standard backup generator system (I say nat gas to this home).

[@extragoode]

@@Eric-xq4dy I like to look at a hybrid solar system like this as a backup that pays for itself. A backup propane or nat gas generator is never going to have a positive ROI unless you place a VERY high value on consistent power. Even if a hybrid solar system only pays off 70% of it's cost over the life of the system it's a lot better than a generator. Exact numbers would give a better picture, but you probably won't know those for a particular location for several years.

[@garyhiland6013]

2:20 to 4:20 is a superb segment. Great graphics and explanation. People just don't know the dynamics, the whys and wherefores of the Grid, its challenges and our part in making it work more effectively and economically for everyone.

[@rdustinlane]

Are you still going to make the ecoflow part 2 and 3 videos? Really curious how those things are doing now.

[@dertythegrower]

Solar and batteries are constantly becoming much better every two years... With solar panel recycling, there is no reason to distrust solar energy production

[@DavidHalko]

Except that panels can catch fire. My recycled panels are not mounted on my asphalt shingled roof system.

[@Goni983]

True not sure why anyone would. Self sufficiency is also a great thing to aspire to have.

[@DarthAwar]

I prefer Sodium Ion Cells for Long Term Safety and Durability

[@Vintage_Dave_T]

You did not explain the 2023 bill vs 2024 where the bill went from $70 to $120. I thought the point was the bill would go down as well as other benefits. Does the bill include financing for the system?

[@extragoode]

They still used 90% more Kwh, 306 vs 161. They were almost all moved to off peak, but even off peak is still $0.42/Kwh! If the 2024 bill would've had the same 76/24 peak/offpeak distribution, the bill would've been more like $145.

[@huihe953]

@@extragoode Assuming the month is representative of the year, that's $840 savings per year? What kind of ROI are we looking at then?

[@extragoode]

@@huihe953 almost no single month is representative a year, so who knows? We don't know how much the batteries cost and we don't know what size solar array they have. For that matter how much savings do you attribute to the batteries and how much to the solar? Was the solar paid off before the batteries went in? They're also running the batteries in backup mode, so they only ever use half the batteries unless there's an outage. They could probably offset more usage or sell more back to the grid if the battery reserve was 20% or something, but then you take the risk of running out faster. Think of a backup battery as a generator that pays for itself. It's almost always going to be cheaper than the alternative to get the utility you want, at least eventually. So, what does it matter? A gas backup generator's ROI is almost always never, but lots people still get them.

[@junkerzn7312]

For California, your electric bill more or less reflects how much A/C you had to run to deal with the heat in the months of July, August, September, and October. If near the coast, basically the number of heat-wave days. If you have solar, then its the number of heat wave evenings and nights (which isn't typically very many on the coast or in the mountains, and is more prevalent in the central valley). So there are going to be a vast differences from year to year.

[@enmodo]

This reminds me of how shockingly high CA electricity prices are. $0.12 kWh in Southern Nevada and no peak rates or tiers unless you opt into TOU. People were actually losing their minds when it went to over $0.16 when gas prices were highest - we have tons of solar but most of our baseload comes from gas fired generators and all our gas is imported. The flip side of this is people are not as incentivized to install solar and battery systems have extremely long ROI time frames because the amount you can save by peak shaving is minimal. But the sun shines nearly all the time so if you can do a very substantial and cheap DIY battery system and basically go off grid that works. A commercial battery system is never going to cut it unless you have money to burn or only need a few hours of backup in the summer heat.

[@InimitaPaul]

That looks like a crazy complicated install compared to EcoFlow’s offering!

[@l0gic23]

What was the diff between aug and sept 2024? Did the bill go down any? I get that compairing year over year is what we do but over the year clearly the variables moved as the 2024 bill was more expensive... So whats the month by month change from before and after the systems commission

[@kevinc-727]

Why this over the Eco Flow Delta Pro ultra you installed for yourself? Comparison would be great

[@harrysantiago5093]

Ecoflow products self destroy after 2 years also firmware upgrades are annoying.

[@patrickmckowen2999]

Free or huge discount for doiing a promotional vid -- you should know how the world works by now🤣 Cheers

[@T1DSUX]

Great information

[@rayopeongo]

How weather proof are the batteries? I live in the great white north. Do they have to be protected from extreme heat and cold, rain, snow, ice, etc? Can they be installed indoors?

[@clivestainlesssteelwomble7665]

Given the climate patterns the Environmental thermal limits need consideration possibly emergency cooling .. The other issue is climate driven weather and heavy rainfall flash flooding ..there's no way I would have them direct on the ground or a slab as the jet wash rainfall we get would be saturating the first 50cm plus just on the bounce up. You've also got the global flash flooding problem like this week in Valencia Spain ...normally a very arid area and the USA in the recent Hurricanes. A lot of you're homes are stick timber frame and board built.. quite frankly this and their conventional shape is going to make them increasingly vulnerable. If you are going to build off grid you have to consider location ..extreme weather events including lightning strikes flooding and droughts for the next century ... The old rules no longer apply, the 1 in 100 year event is now occuring Every 2-5 years and possible thousand year events could end up occuring on a decade basis.

[@rayopeongo]

@ Most of the installations I have seen are outdoors or in a non-climate controlled garage. In my area, that would potentially expose the batteries to temps ranging from -40C to +40C. Snow and rain would also be a problem; flooding, not so much. I would prefer to install my backup system indoors in a protected area like a basement, but I don’t know if that is allowed.

[@ModernCowboy78]

We are completely off grid with a generator back and a boiler for heated floors and water. I wonder if I added this to my system if the generator would run less.

[@CorwinPatrick]

Some Hybrid Solar Inverters have a Generator option. If you connect directly to the Inverter, the Inverter will run it at a constant rate so you can set the most efficient setting for your Generator. This works best if your Generator has Auto-Start. So it should run less. As a side note... Generators always produce more power than you use if you are plugged directly into them. With an Inverter/Charger controlling Batteries, all of the power the Generator makes will go into the Battery (minus normal line losses). It is a more efficient set up as soon as you connect.

[@mikef2618]

Kudos to the installers. Very clean, very neat installation. You talked at length on the savings (California's price per kilowatt-hour is outrageous), but what about total cost of the equipment and installation? What was the cost of the solar installation? What I'm getting at, is what is the payback period? I realize the value of having some grid outage back-up, but where is the break-even point? Ten years? Fifteen? Twenty?

[@jabbathespud]

Why did they use twice the kWh for the month in 2024 than 2023? Is the solar working? Notice the bill amount went up $50 between the two years.

[@theheathkitshop2424]

I noticed that, too.

[@junkerzn7312]

Depends entirely on the weather.

[@CorwinPatrick]

@@junkerzn7312 Also depends on how often Ricky visited (to monitor the system) and charged his Tesla at their house.

[@detoowang]

Is there any benefit for installing two power modules with two batteries each? Why not one power module with four batteries?

[@andrew20146]

In Ontario (Canada), we have a very generous Ultra Low Overnight rate TOU plan, which offers power at $0.03/kwh (works out to around $0.05/kwh with transmission charges). You can knock 30% off that for the figure in USD. Crazy cheap. I'm in a condo/HOA that likely would not allow me to get rooftop solar, but perhaps this type of system to act as a battery backup and energy arbitrage system would be good to cover peak demands. Not sure on the ROI, and our grid connection is very reliable (zero outages in 10 years).

[@patrickmckowen2999]

Let me know which part of ON your in, I want to move there. Here in Richmond Hill we get several outages a year - albeit mostly short. Your condo will definately not allow solar on the roof. Im trying to find a good system for my house that will have a fast ROI for beating the peak hour usage. Its the cost of the installation of an automatic transfer switch I am thinking of mostly - you do not want power going back into the grid. Cheers

[@andrew20146]

@patrickmckowen2999 Mississauga. You need a gateway for your solar to work during an outage.

[@bobsinhav]

How feasible is geothermal heating and cooling for your folks?

[@hpschreck07]

I'm currently running with the Ecoflow Ultra. Extremely happy with it, but wanted to compare with Anker as the footprint is sleeker. Apparently its not available in Canada ... Montreal, Quebec. Wondering what their plan is for us in the great white north ?

[@drone_video9849]

where does one find this product for sale in Canada? Anker doesn't respond to email to this question, and wondering if anyone knew.

[@viyusavery248]

What is ankee doing about using silicon carbon anodes in their batteries for better energy density?? Seems like no battery company in the world is using it yet only smartphones

[@Camman100100]

DAMN! 40¢/ kWh! I’m paying like 10¢/kwh in MA, we’ve also not had a power outage in a couple of years

[@Tyler-qz9uc]

No installers in my area 😢

[@enmodo]

I doubt I could use this in Southern Nevada with 120F peak air temps and this year over 100 days over 100F. The exterior of my house is regularly 130F even out of full sun - add a battery that is generating heat as it charges or discharges and that's one hot potato. Even if it keeps running what does that do for longevity of the batteries and inverters?

[@flutieflambert]

Does anyone know what the regulatory status is for having a home battery in Brooklyn, NY? I’ve heard that NYC is not allowing home batteries due to fire hazard.

[@jpfath]

With the loss from charging/discharging (because batteries aren’t 100% efficient), what is the break-even peak vs off-peak price ratio for these batteries? I would have to imagine maybe like 70% efficiency, so the off-peak would have to cost 70% or less of the peak price?

[@ryanchappell5962]

I’m pretty sure the Tesla Powerwall 3 is cheaper per Kilowatt hour because it has an installation that involves much lower labor costs due to the meter collar innovation which allows them to eliminate the gateway. It also uses LFP and Tesla is by far the most reputable company for these products. Looks like an awesome product though. Since they are the best value, they don’t need to pay this wonderful creator for exposure.

[@lindseyhatfield9017]

WOW, a 200A circuit for the grid, our house has a 50A Fuse.

[@junkerzn7312]

For a single-family residence (not mobile homes or apartments or rural barns), A 200A service has been typical for 50+ years. 100A can still be found in a few places (not many). Even in the 1930's 75A was actually more typical so it takes really really old construction to still have a 50A service, plus living in a state where the utility is allowed to charge the home-owner for upgrading to baseline (a few states, not many though).

[@RobertHopkinsArt]

How long will it take for them to see a return on their investment?

[@benpowell9385]

@@RobertHopkinsArt they’re never going to get a return, it’s about convenience. If you can survive for a day without power this product isn’t for you.

[@curtisbme]

Always weird whenever folks show circuit breakers being outside the house where you have to go out into the weather and/or dark to flip a breaker or anyone wanting to mess with you (or rob you) can just shut off your power.

[@atenas80525]

QUESTION - you installed a horrendously expensive battery system plus the solar and your parent's electric bill STILL went up - almost doubled - how does that work?

[@Zendukai]

What was the cost of the system?

[@simhedgesrex7097]

Good video, but it would have been good to address why the montly bill after the batteries were installed was $121.17 compared with $71.94. Clearly they had much higher overall usage this year (the kWh number is up by a lot), but why was that? Because if there's no factor other than the change to batteries, it looks like they were a poor investment.

[@yt551217]

Great video and info, thanks. Given they remain on NEM 1, can I conclude that they didn't need a new permit when they added the batteries? I'd like to add additional solar panels to my current 5.5 kW system and possibly battery storage as well but have been told I'll lose my NEM 2 and go to the current less favorable NEM 3. Live in SDG&E territory Encinitas CA

[@junkerzn7312]

There are some exceptions that allow add-ons without losing your older NEM status, but I don't have a list in front of me. I think adding batteries without expanding existing solar might be one of those exceptions.

[@jamesdubben3687]

Congrats to your parents! Can they join a virtual power plant?

[@MasterMan004200]

The way I am going to go about my system is, battery back up first. why? I want an APC style system to clean the incoming electricity so that my electronics do not burn out (where I am at, I got 'dirty power' daily) also when a storm comes thru I will be alright. Solar is next with wind as a possible test project. now it's just money that is holding me back. lol (FL homeowner)

[@smithsabom01]

my thoughts exactly. set up a smart panel and battery back up first, but set it to add solar - perovskite panels when commercially available - and wind

[@lazarojnenad]

Every house should have batteries. Unlike electric cars, these batteries don't need to be compact or lightweight. And usually, a battery that is considered low capacity for an electric car is quite sufficient for use in a household. Batteries not only reduce the load on the power grid during peak demand, but such a grid is also more resilient and doesn't have a single point of failure. Additionally, it is cheaper to set up and maintain. Less electricity flowing through the grid means fewer wires, poles, transformers, and lower energy losses during transmission. The best approach is to use electricity where it is produced.

[@josdesouza]

It'll happen sooner than expected. Baffling even to Tony Seba!

[@-whackd]

How is it cheaper to set up and maintain?

[@lazarojnenad]

@@-whackd Electricity consumption is constantly increasing. The electrical grid won’t last forever, and soon it won’t be able to handle the rising demand. It will be necessary to install wires that allow for higher current (thicker wires, new materials), and the active equipment will also need to be replaced with new, higher-capacity versions. The electrical grid is designed based on the maximum possible load (peak load)... or a larger number of households should install batteries and some way to generate electricity themselves.

[@stevefrey2990]

Why are the batteries installed outside?

[@stevefrey2990]

Nevermind, you answered in the video.

[@KPHVAC]

I am very grateful to live in a place with affordable electricity. I pay about 12 cents a Kw.

[@cupofkona]

No SPAN PANEL?

[@johnbaker5299]

Probably would have been cheaper to put a small water tower on the farm to keep water pressure.

[@UHaulShorts]

Kould uze in _ashville_

[@DemonizedTX]

California power prices are insane 🤯🤯

[@TwoBitDaVinci]

yeah everything here is... home prices, but so are salaries etc... tough balancing act

[@b_uppy]

They could also use greywater and rainwater harvesting to reduce grid strain and water and electrical bills and build personal resiliency. Harvesting stormwater runoff from the street to landscaping and fruit trees makes use of an underutilized, free resource. The bark of fruit trees absorbs the toxins making it okay to eat the fruit (landscaping is assumed to be inedible, streetwater runoff is inappropriate for perennials, annuals, vines and shrubs that are to be consumed) Harvesting streetwater runoff also reduces flooding effects downstream while reducing water pollution in streams, rivers, lakes, etc. Harvesting more streetwater runoff would reduce the necessity for brownouts because less electricity would be used for irrigation. It also means ponds, rivers and lakes are less likely to dry up. Rainwater harvesting uses biology to quickly absorb water into soil so zero mosquitos reach flying stage, while creating fun, ephemeral pools. Rainwater harvesting is pretty cheap and can be done for as little as the cost of a pick and shovel (which you can buy used and save more money. Rainwater harvesting reduces heat island effects by keeping areas green and viable and the soil biota protected from intense sun. This keeps soil aborbant. Keeping things green via rainwater harvesting adds beauty, walkability, bikeability, creates shade, reduces ground subsidence and thus damage to paving and foundations, reduces the chance of sinkholes, etc.

[@tyger13us]

Absolutely Amazing what you can do if you are a MILLIONAIRE...........🤑 💰🤑 💸💸💸

[@bikerdude2941]

I bought an electric car to take back control over ridiculous gas prices. I purchased solar to charge my car and take back control over utility company rising prices. I may never break even and that’s okay 😊

[@Azeelden]

I wish there is alternative chinese to this

[@CubbyTech]

That bill comparison was terrible. The price of the battery plus install is ~$30k. Not that they dare tell you on the website. Friggin Anker

[@RagnarokLoW]

42 cents us per kwh? What the heeeellll. It's like 8,5 cents CAD here.

[@Eric-xq4dy]

About 16 cents here in Pennsylvania 24/7. CA is nuts.

[@fountainvalley100]

California believes in renewables which two to four times more expensive than nuclear. California has chosen the most expensive way to produce electricity.

[@gravelydon7072]

FPL bill for this month shows: 1st 1000kWh =$0.081810 for non fuel charge over 1000kWh =$0.091800 1st 1000 kWh = $0.026700 for fuel charge over 1000 kWh = $0.036700 So the 1st 1000kWh is $0.10851 /kWh Over 1000kWh is $0.1285 /kWh Plus taxes and a base charge of $9.55 a month and we average around 60 kWh per day due to the A/C being on almost all the time.

[@DeniSaputta]

Now 12.8v 100 ah Battery with 10,000 cycles Sold for 150 dollars in china

[@CannarWilm]

Jeez you guys put up with a crappy power grid. 5 outages!!! That's unacceptable.

[@larzlarz1140]

PGE sucks. That $0.33 per kWh is 50% more than what I pay. With SoCal Edison, I pay $0.22 per kWh for off peak.

[@TheCosmicGuy0111]

Cool

[@atenas80525]

$15,000 minimum for a household system Most Americans don't have $1,000 in savings How, oh how, is this even remotely realistic?

[@phenom354]

So another video on KZbin with no cost. Must be an NDA with the Anker T&Cs. Seems super shady to me that pricing isn't transparent.

[@extragoode]

There's not even any pricing on Anker's site, just get a free quote here. I don't want a quote from a salesman, I want to know how much it costs delivered to my door. I get it, they're probably selling it with installation, which is going to vary by location and contractor, but that doesn't stop you from giving me a cost + installation since installation costs are probably going to be similar for similar products.

[@DeFrisselle]

The only way is Off-Grid

[@johntrotter8678]

I don't understand the economics of batteries for individuals versus large, utility-scale, batteries -- for most people. Powering the well, OK. But, what is the frequency for most of us for losing utility power? PG&E has more money for batteries than most moms and dads.

[@Eric-xq4dy]

This home had nat gas (saw meter). How about a simple backup generator?

[@extragoode]

@@Eric-xq4dy Or a simple solar generator. My parents have grid tied solar and my dad doesn't like that it doesn't provide backup power, but can't wrap his head around a solar generator being enough for most outages. And if it's not enough, then you pick it up, drive it somewhere they have power, charge it, and plug it back in. In my mind portability trumps capacity. Your freezer will still be frozen after 3 hours without power if you don't open it.

[@newtwo9518]

Battery system should be installed off the ground. If there is a flood the lithium could catch fire

[@richardnwilson]

It's lithium iron phosphate so very unlikely to catch on fire but it's still a good idea to raise it up off the ground just so it doesn't get ruined in a flood

[@junkerzn7312]

Outside of certain parts of Sacramento and the Central Valley, and a handful of rivers (The Russian River for example), residential flooding isn't that big of a concern in California. A lot of water can move, sometimes, but California is a lot more strict about building in flood plains than anything east of The Mississippi and has a lot of flood control options.

[@jjamespacbell]

Just a sponsored add

[@raymondpeters9186]

I bet you are your parents favorite kid😅

[@JL-st1jf]

The bill went up from 2023 to 2024...😬

[@tommcclure8727]

So we’re going to save the grid by installing $20,000 worth of batteries at every house in America. Plus $20,000 worth of solar? Ho big was the actual check you wrote to Anker?

[@boricuany79]

@@tommcclure8727 he's not gonna tell you 😂

[@RiverRatWA57]

​@@boricuany79 Right, must be nice to be Independently wealthy.......

[@boricuany79]

@RiverRatWA57 tell me about it. It's always a mystery when it comes to this products like why is it so hard to say how much the whole system cost

[@RiverRatWA57]

@@boricuany79 we spent about $23k on a 4.8kw system that only has exceeded our usage about a Whole Two weeks this year, most of the time from Sept-May we make less than 30% of our usage. BTW according to SolGen the sun only produces power from the west as they weren't going to put ANY panels on the eastside of the roof.

[@junkerzn7312]

You might as well ask why do people own boats or RVs or big trucks or swimming pools. Think of it as a hobby. For fun. Or an investment in future generations. Not everything in life has to have a ROI. That said, an installation like this does add significantly to the value of the home. So... your legacy, I suppose. If you care that much. Why spend your money on paying a big corporate utility, after all?

[@jac540]

Anker. Isn't that the company that made Eufy security camera's with 'local storage', which streamed unencrypted video over the internet for all to access and when confronted lied about it? Sorry, but this advertisement video get's a downvote from me.

[@fountainvalley100]

I personally believe that any home lithium battery should be at least 10 feet from all combustibles. While the iron chemistry is more stable the risk is still there. I recommend relocating your parents batteries to 10 feet away and establish a gravel buffer area all around. You don’t want the batteries starting a brush fire. Apparently State Farm has ordered the removal of vehicle charging stations from their premises. The writing is on the wall that people with home energy storage and electric vehicles are going to be facing increased insurance costs or cancellation.

[@williamlloyd3769]

State Farm was concerned about a battery fire in an underground parking structure involving multiple MV versus a less risky outdoor parking lot installation. PS - as far as a house, you’d have to look at the risk posed by lithium iron phosphate vs lithium ion batteries.

[@witness1013]

It would just be much easier to put them in a home - rather than hook up an expensive battery.

[@GreenspudTrades]

If those are lithium batteries, any malfunction that causes a fire will be nasty! Idk if i would want such a bomb by my garage.

[@junkerzn7312]

They are LiFePO4... not all lithium chemistries are bombs. While a runaway is still possible, it is much more difficult for LiFePO4 to actually do that and most cases where it does just result in a lot of white smoke (toxic), but no actual fire. The runaway gradient for LiFePO4 is 1/100th the gradient for NMC.

[@JA-en4kr]

First Comment ! And First View ! 😍🥳

[@jamesbizs]

Literally NOT A SINGLE WAY for you to know you’re the first view.

[@asldfjkalsdfjasdf]

This adds a huge fire hazard that is hard to extinguish. I get the benefits but i would still feel uneasy.

[@peterirvin7121]

This is less dangerous than gas line connections but billions of people are comfortable having them.

[@asldfjkalsdfjasdf]

@@peterirvin7121 I would say those have different danger profiles. Gas lines do explode if not well maintained but are very save except for mishandling or entropy due to the lack of maintenance. Accumulators of all types do have the possibility to start a fire even if everything seems to be in working condition.

[@jamesbizs]

LOL so batteries saved the grid. And why did the grid need saving? Due to all the demand because of batteries, bahahahaha

[@justinschmidt1380]

@@jamesbizs i’m not sure if you remember 5 to 6 years ago, but the grid was constantly losing power and 5 to 6 years ago. There were almost no electric vehicles on the roads. I’m a little bit confused by your logic that the demand for energy because of batteries caused batteries to fix the grid you seem very confused.

[@jamesbizs]

⁠@@justinschmidt1380it’s not confused at all . What happened 6 years ago had no bearing on today. The Cali governor literally begged people not to charge their cars! Did you forget that? That alone should show you you’re the one confused. Today, now, not 6 years ago, the grid would fail due to the demand on it from ELECTRIC CARS and such. So now we need house batteries, to make it past that demand. So, what did we learn? We need batteries to save the grid; due to the demand ; from batteries. And while there are way more cars now, we had plenty 6 years ago too. Especially in a place like Cali

[@peterirvin7121]

​@@jamesbizs Are you conflating batteries in electric cars with the battery presented in this video?

[@justinschmidt1380]

@@jamesbizs you need electricity to refine gasoline and you need electricity to pump gasoline. The largest consumer of electricity is the oil and gas industry. If the power goes out. Should we tell ev owners to not charge ? Yes. Of the power goes out should we tell the oil refineries and the gas stations to stop pumping gas and running the coolers in the store ? And the A/C? Yes we should. What is the difference?

[@junkerzn7312]

A bit of a reality bubble you have there that needs to be popped. I was charging my EV just fine during that particular heat wave. The gov only suggested not charging EVs during peak hours (4pm-9pm. For that emergency is was more like 3pm-10pm). So I simply plugged in after midnight. Not that I have to charge my EV every day anyway. But numerous media outlets turned it into a silly meme that, ultimately, people like you wound up believing I guess. That was before California had a lot of battery storage on the grid. In fact, the event was caused by a number of NG plants being decommissioned and their replacement grid-scale storage not yet being online due to regulatory delays. It spurred a building spree in grid-scale battery storage in California. Texas also saw the light and started building grid-scale battery storage. This storage has been credited at turning the heat waves that have occurred since that event into non-issues. In both states. So... batteries FTW, it appears. Reality sucks sometimes. -Matt