How Bethesda Ruined Fallout 4 With The Worst Update Ever

[@ItsYaBoyBrandyBoy]

Hahah I called it. Bethesda released a hotfix for this update yesterday. Unfortunately, I was a day late on the news, but hey, the update to the update still don't fix much. Y'all can expect several more updates for a while. I definitely recommend staying on the old version of Fallout 4, until they for sure stop updating the game. For all console players, I'm praying for y'all 🙏 stay strong boys Also, hope y'all enjoy the new face cam. It's something I wanna do more of going forward (definitely not showing off my baller cd collection)

[@atfsno]

6 seconds? crazy

[@MLPDethDealr32]

I could care less about the Amazon show. Its another example of f*cking the preexisting lore. Just like the Witcher series and HALO from Paramount. It retcons Fallout 1 and 2, and by proxy FNV.

[@AeroHybrid]

I see ya MoistCr1tikal x Jesus

[@GibsMeMunny]

I can't even access the mods tab, so... yeah. "Hotfix" my ass. More like patching a sinking ship with duct tape.

[@t-hatguy]

First time I've seen your face, deep voiced Moist! Lol ❤

[@an2qzavok]

For a studio operating entirely on "modders will fix it", Bethesda really goes out of it's way to make the modders' life not easy, huh.

[@justbread4570]

jealousy. todd realised the modders will always do what he does better

[@aa-tr9xt]

@@justbread4570 personally I think that they are just utterly incompetent. Todd knows that modders do what they do better, and cites that as a selling point, so I doubt that they do it maliciously.

[@Reac2]

They don't think that. They unironically think the sun shines out of their ass and what they are selling is alright. Did you see Todd at the Game awards every time Starfield was nominated and didn't win? He thinks he is god, he deserves awards and can't even fathom the alternative.

[@patataboy]

Modders are the reason a somewhat good game like Fallout4 is still played 10 years after its release (same goes for Skyrim). Modders are BSda PR team, aftersales team, content creation team ... and they make it for free. And all that hard work has gone through the toilet. Dick move BSda

[@aprinnyonbreak1290]

​@aa-tr9xt It's absolutely malicious. There's two points to this: 1. Bethesda wants paid mods. They want them so, so badly. They will keep trying until it works. They will make modding as frustrating as possible, while still being feasible, as they try to slide the mod cake over to their plate, which will promise being easier because they aren't actively messing with it, or at least will give heads up to (in theory, lmao). They want to make money off your free labor. They want it so, so badly. It's a dog trying not to look at the cookies on the table, it's the cat pretending it doesn't care about the birdcage so you forget and leave them alone together. 2. Especially after some of the rhetoric around Starfield's release (the "neat game, I'll buy it in 2028 when the mods are done" crowd), Bethesda has come to realize that their biggest competition is their old games, which have been modded beyond their ability to overtake. Bethesda wants you to buy TES and Fallout whatever on release, not keep playing modded Skyrim and pick it up years later. Bethesda does not want your mods to be free. They want to make money off them. That is their goal. They don't know how to do it yet, but they want to. If they thought they could both nuke Nexus or whatever, AND keep even a fifth the community using their paid service instead, they would do it tomorrow. If you have any doubts whatsoever, remember, these are the people that pioneered the decay of DLC. From "expansion pack" to "a house or some textures for 5 bucks". By releasing an update for a near decade old game, they break mods that no longer have creator support, and permanently reduce the glue they would need to break to get people to pay for them instead. I guarantee that's the goal. Fewer mods to compete with, with either their next attempt to sell mods, or else to compete with in the future. Hell, for how out of touch Bethesda has been lately, there's a non-0 chance that this is the result of Starfield underperfoming already. The problem wasn't that they made a mediocre, anemic game, the problem is that all the millions of people that should have bought it were all playing modded Fallout 4. Again, maybe that sounds crazy, but Bethesda was arguing with people for having the wrong opinion on Starfield, meaning the idea that the game was actually good and successful, but there's just something wrong with the end consumer already exists.

[@Talulah_Artorius]

This "update" took the same time to come out as Bethesda gave obsidian to make fallout new vegas... Let that sink in

[@HaterOfBayle]

Pretty sure the update took longer, update took 2 years, New Vegas took 18 months.

[@AClockworkHellcat]

New Vegas didn't crash whenever you shot an object, either. Even as janky and busted as it was at release, it wasn't *this* busted.

[@PepeLa_]

Roughly the same amount of time from the announcement, who knows when they actually started working on it? Based on what we got I'd say last month. 😂

[@Umbra_Ursus]

Keep in mind, Vegas was also a cannibalization of Fallout 3, and scraps of what would have been Fallout 3; It wasn't made from scratch. Bethesda, on the other hand, made this "update", that was basically 50% "jank", 45% "mod breaker", and 5% "slop content that could have been tossed in years ago"; They seemingly intended to break the very game they made, because simple incompetence doesn't cover this crap, particularly after it happened maybe twice with Skyrim.

[@Talulah_Artorius]

@@Umbra_Ursus if an interview with the director of fnv is anything to go by that wasn't the initial plan, obsidian truly wanted to make something unique but hey... Bethesda wanted a game made in 18 months so cut had to be made (and the fact that it's still the best game in the entire franchise says a lot lmao)

[@t-rex9809]

And they STILL haven't added classic visible holstered weapons, amazing

[@googleisevil8958]

There was already a mod that did that... and guess what mod doesn't work now?

[@zalabit927]

​@@googleisevil8958 My stomach dropped when i realised that mod wasn't working anymore. Man, i'm pissed many essential mods that add or fix so much become useless even for a small bug fix, and i feel bad for the authors having to rework their mods when they've been working perfectly for years.

[@Bulgak_Romanow101]

This mechanic was ripped from fallout 4 so bad what even before next gen update this mod was a pain to install and make it work. At least for me.

[@CHIEFLUKE101]

I still can't believe they were so lazy that they didn't add that back. Just baffles my mind.

[@theobell2002]

Um.. have you seen the armors in Fallout 4? They weren't designed to account for holstered weapons. Just look at the Raider armor.

[@AC-ut3nk]

Bethesda - Break the lore - Break the game - Break Mods - Break your computer Meanwhile the fanboy : Wow Bethesda really respect us by updating the game.

[@Theonlyoneclyde]

True. Also, I didn’t expect to see you here. I always see you in Tectone videos lmao.

[@streptococo4735]

Bethesda literally hates Fallout because it isn't THEIR creation, this is why they retconned basically the NCR out of existence. They HATE the idea of Fallout EVOLVING.

[@infinityseven5924]

@@streptococo4735 Spoilers for the show I wouldn't say they retconned it out of existence. That's a bit of a leap. The NCR isn't confirmed gone by any means. Also, if they hated other creations so much then they wouldn't have ended the show by showing new vegas.

[@MLPDethDealr32]

@@infinityseven5924 your not paying attention then. Vaults 31 to 33 are canon according to the showrunners and Bethesda. Vaults that would have existed in FALLOUTS 1 AND 2. Games that werent made or written by BETHESDA... Said VAULTS would have been raided by the Master since the Cathedral was near Santa Monica and he had access to VAULT TEC RECORDS. The Enclave have a " base" NEAR NCR Territory, when they were outright destroyed and lost most of their forces on the Oil Rig. The ones " mentioned" in Chicago disobeyed orders and might have joined the BoS there. If Bethesda "doesnt" hate Obsidian or the older games, Why did they reject Obsidian in 2018 when they approached them to work on another Fallout????? Im really sick of people making excuses for Bethesda pure f*cking incompetance and stupidity.

[@infinityseven5924]

@@MLPDethDealr32 Wow, ok. I'm no Bethesda fanboy by a long shot and I'm certainly not making excuses. Maybe I'm wrong, maybe they want to fuck up new vegas with their own writing. However, there are many reasons that they could have rejected obsidian creating more fallouts. For one, the original writers aren't there. There are many more business reasons why they would reject it. Still, maybe they did reject it just because they didn't want obsidian becoming the one known for the franchise. You're ranting a bit much here, but a lot of it is just speculation. There are many inconsistencies across the franchise and I certainly wouldn't immediately assume that it was intentional to rub out the old lore. They can't even put accurate loot in prewar containers. Regardless, there has been no hard retconning of the NCR. I've never defended Bethesda for anything. I shit on them like everyone else for the garbage they pull. In this case I'm just not jumping to conclusions. Tone down the ranting a bit.

[@vahlen5281]

What a coincidence that Bethesda dropped an update out of nowhere just as Fallout:London neared its release.

[@davinpihlajasaari]

This is exactly what I thought too.

[@roosty2266]

Why would get sabotage london on purpose? You still need to buy F4 to play london

[@vahlen5281]

@@roosty2266 Not the first time Bethesda gets pissed at modders because they release superior products for free, and actually bother to fix Todd's broken ass games. Hence "coincidence".

[@cosmiccosmonaut820]

​@@roosty2266 same reason triple AAA studios got mad at baldurs gate 3 A small studio not following industry standards (or micro transactions,base game content as dlc,and actual updates) and outshining almost every other studio

[@IamJINCHI.]

@@roosty2266 because it has become such high quality that it is literally embarrassing to Bethesda that a team of basically consistent 30ish volunteers and a few paid people to make a game bigger than Fallout 4 with more innovation and interest. I mean why did they advertise canvas bags and send me a plastic vinyl one? I don't know why you trust them

[@foresta-2684]

I swear every dev and company is in a competition to see who can screw over their fanbase the hardest

[@bruhgod123]

That competition has been going on since 2013.

[@CryptidBuddy]

They just went to find the minimum they can do to get paid

[@vrabo3026]

One exception is weirdly enough Hello Games. Imagine if Fallout 4 kept getting massive mods every few months, but were made by the developers themselves and were forever a core part of the game's experience after each update. That's basically what HG is doing with No Man's Sky. Each update literally feels like you installed a high effort mod only because I'm used to that actually being the case with other games.

[@incomprehensible3945]

Play indie games.

[@armandoventura9043]

​@@incomprehensible3945 Many indie games suffer from problems similar to those of AAA games, the difference is that there are more good games on the indie scene, making the problem less visible

[@Ajax-0137]

I still cannot fathom why they didn't just leave the PC version alone. "Next Gen" should be a term only applicable to consoles

[@GibsMeMunny]

There are legitimate improvements that could be made that PC players could make use of. But as your Boy said, it's not really a "next-gen" update. It's a spoonful of slop to capitalize on the resurgence brought by the show. The casual filth who are playing the game for the first time and going "omg, it's just like the show!" won't care either way.

[@blasiankxng]

next gen barely even applies anymore, Bethesda is just late as hell

[@newnamesameperson397]

Fuck no. Leave consoles alone too

[@CumMomentGamer]

​@@GibsMeMunny until they crash because they picked up a gun and tried to shoot it or some other stupid reason

[@nhagan001]

No no, it’s to represent the Fallout TV show. The best way to nuke a game and town at the same time!

[@GTAVictor9128]

The worst part is, this update still didn't fix any bugs present from launch: namely the various game-breaking settlement bugs such as beds despawning when away from a settlement - which for whatever reason is caused by having electronics in your settlement like TVs, jukeboxes, and radios, so you're still effectively barred from having those decorations if you don't want your settlement happiness to suffer. To think that even a company like Rockstar decided to officially incorporate a modder-made fix to speed up the infamously long loading screen to GTA Online as part of an official patch (and paid the modder for it), while Bethesda still continues to ignore the numerous fixes mods provide for their games.

[@Enkabard]

im not surprised at all, people were saying fallout 76 is completely fixed, perfect, amazing game. It was literally the only game that crashed on my borrowed PS5, it was the only game i experienced some kind of bug or glitch every few seconds. Some being completely massive and making me turn off the game constantly. None of the 20 other PS5 games had any issue like that. I guess bugs is one thing that Bethesda consumers do not care about in the slightest, therefore developers have zero reason to address them.

[@MinosPrimeOfficial]

The bed thing is actually a canon random encounter, the electro-spotting bed bandits (yes, thats their actual name, seems like the devs had some fun with encounters like the skeletons and teddy bears) are a group of raiders that are masters of stealth that go from settlement to settlement looking for electronics that are there for settlers enjoyment, so they steal their beds as an eye for an eye exchange. The radios and tvs raise happiness, so no beds reduces it. The devs just forgot to add the factor of happiness the radios and tvs produce when powered and turned on. They usually come when you are away, but there is something like a 0.47% chance or something like that where you can spot them taking a bed from one of your settlements. I know for a fact because i saw it, i killed them as they were carrying the bed and they had a note on them counting with tally marks how many beds they stole, and there were around 10 marks. I lost about 30 beds to them, so i dont think it links, but the beds stopped disappearing after i killed them. I killed them at around 40-ish hours, and now im at 79 hours and havent lost one since.

[@dmitriblyat8237]

Don't you dare to touch my junk dupe and force attach glitchs

[@deante4144]

I wish game devs would embrace ambitions from fans, within reason, and collaborate. This would literally inspire the new generations of gamers to one day even become game devs themselves.

[@joule400]

This is coming from bethesda, who has re-released skyrim multiple times and never fixed one of the best understood bugs that is encountered on the main story of the dlc, that is the marked for death glitch, if you have dawnguard installed before you get all the words of marked for death (so, everyone who bought it since original release) you have a high (for me, 100% and even if you find them all it still can happen) chance to get a completely bugged out shout list where you have multiple copies of non-functional shouts the bug is completely understood, well documented and community fixed for over a decade but bethesda wont lift a finger to fix it

[@LilSleepDoctor]

I bet Bethesda didn’t even plan on ever releasing this update they just saw how much attention their game was getting and cooked it up in 3 weeks

[@cheesofile666]

And they probably outsourced the whole thing.

[@jaek__]

3 weeks????? LMFAOOOOOO don't be generous

[@gr1mmd]

they're so good at ruining their own games

[@ZiddersRooFurry]

Only they announced it over a year before it came out.

[@TheBlairAngel]

@@ZiddersRooFurry Only imagine thinking that makes any difference. Clown.

[@GamingGrenade1]

The worse thing about this is how it affected Fallout London. A group of passionate fans of Fallout who know more about making a game than a AAA studio felt the need to postpone their project because of Bethesda's incompetence

[@dodes2698]

It's not a bug, it's feature. It's not a coincidence, it's intentional. Bethesda aren't selling it as overpriced DLC, so by video game studio logic, it's better if it's buried.

[@hakermanreal]

Don't forget fallout Miami, God knows how much longer its gonna take aswell sadly

[@Kazaanh]

Fallout London guy is quite a crybaby honestly. He should release it on pre-next gen version cause right now we will wait another year or two

[@gornintheusa]

Well I hope it's not another frontier mess like oh boy

[@leomnidusofsparta]

They’ve known about it for 2 years, they can bitch and moan all they want, they knew about it for a while now

[@Tehstampede]

When Bethesda dropped the Skyrim patch in December that ruined mods, I thought it was just gross incompetence. When they did the exact same thing to Fallout 4 a few months later, I can't help but believe this is intentional and malicious.

[@tamfuwing1]

It would have been courtesy on their side but why do they *have* to take mods into account? Saying it's malicious is just fan boy garbage.

[@diodacbd]

@@tamfuwing1 because they're aware that mods are the single reason their games are popular in the first place and that's why they release mod-breaking updates to force people to use creation club?

[@cheesofile666]

@@tamfuwing1 We know, and Bethesda knows, that modding is what keeps their games relevant. It gives them much more replayability than they would otherwise have. Whenever a high-profile mod is made, it gives Bethesda a ton of free marketing. Everybody wins. Bethesda incompetently pissing in the face of modders is discourteous, to say the least. Maintaining compatibility would've been trivial from a technical standpoint. They're not malicious per se, but they've demonstrated a strict policy of pretending mods don't exist, even if it's idiotic and damages their own brand.

[@thylacinegamer6314]

I've been wondering why I haven't been able to get mods to work on Skyrim. Any idea on how to work around it?

[@Leeloo-Foxx]

@@tamfuwing1 bethesda literally does take mods into account, but only the ones that make money for them in the creshiton club

[@BigChillenXD]

Literally lost everything with this update. Multiple saves, along with a whole library of mods, all gone 💀

[@zoltanz288]

thats what you get for trusting methesda.

[@aprinnyonbreak1290]

Hey, now you have no reason to play Fallout 4, instead of buying Starfield, TES6, and Fallout 5, right? And no reason to not just immediately jump on the paid mod wagon, since all your mods are broken, right?

[@mobiusone6994]

@@aprinnyonbreak1290 I went back to playing Project Wingman and Stellaris lmao

[@michaelwesten4624]

skill issue.

[@hansohasashi5093]

​@@michaelwesten4624 bot

[@ontheglo.28]

Its funny, i remember reading an article saying that Bethesda wouldn't be able to update the mod limit on console because it would reset everyone's load orders. Now here we are with no limit change and the mods are broken anyways

[@AceOfBlackjack]

(But the mods are still stored on their website, but was randomly cleared…

[@justbread4570]

this i was so annoyed at this like i would be able to cope with the lack of mods if it meant soon i can have 5-10GB, or even maybe 20 and the limit from 150 to 200 or 250? just so i can have more mods to actually take up that space

[@Myst291]

They didn't do it because it would wipe peoples saved characters. but I wish they would've bc it's unplayable now.

[@OLDSACKS]

A Gamebryo missing mesh 3D warning sign is something I'd expect to see in Morrowind after I botch a manual multi-mod installation myself, not an official plugin for an 8th gen game.

[@jaek__]

that's essentially what this update was

[@ReaverSenpai]

Enclave in the west at the end of FO2: 💀 Enclave in the east at the end of FO3: 💀 Bethesda: UH OH GUYS THE ENCLAVE IS BACK IN BOSTON!!! 😦

[@unoriginalperson72]

If they actually want to bring back the enclave they gotta make them joinable and have actual depth instead of just being le evil american government with cartoonishly evil people in it.

[@mkv2718]

what’s even worse is that they keep making the protagonists friggin vault dwellers every. dang. time. interplay and obsidian? Vault Dweller only for the first game, then a tribal, then a random courier. ugh…. outside of From, and occasionally Capcom with Monster Hunter, all the old AAA studios are complete useless crap now.

[@cjnf11]

@@mkv2718 Micro Forté: protagonist is a fresh BoS recruit (a wastelander) in Tactics. Also I think Fallout 2 kinda implies that at that point everybody should've already gotten out of the vaults or died. Because a lot of time has passed. But Bethesda still clings to the idea that people can live in Vaults still. For hundreds of years at this point.

[@DARKthenoble]

plot twist its a dust or frost mod plot They were just minding their own business this time, and you murdered them all. Or they were genuinely trying to be good people that time, and you murdered them in cold blood.

[@Maria_Erias]

@@cjnf11 I can't remember who it was - Shoddycast, RadKing, EpicNate, or someone else - did an in-depth discussion about how Bethesda refuses to move the game forward and is stuck on a short list of "quirky ideas" from the original Interplay Fallout. Vaults? Check. Brotherhood of Steel? Check. Supermutants? Check. People building settlements out of trash? Check. Of course, this entirely ignores the direction that Interplay had been going with Fallout 2, with actual newly-built towns and cities, a resurgence of technology in the NCR being an actual manufacturing society, and the fact that supermutants were created by the Master and not all were brain dead morons. But Bethesda just can't let go of the gimmicks and try something new or move the story forward. It's like they're criminally addicted to nostalgia.

[@TheRealW.S.Foster]

It took Bethesda almost two years to work on and drop an update for Fallout 4, which added very little content, very few fixes for bugs and also added some new bugs as well... Yet Obsidian only had 18 months to make New Vegas, which to this day stands as the best _Fallout_ game to date. To say I'm disappointed would be correct, because I was sincerely hoping for tons of new content, similar to the level of content Skyrim got with its Creation Club and the Anniversary Edition. I get it - Starfield was the main focus for Bethesda at the time, and almost all hands needed to be on deck for that game. But as we can all see, even Starfield turned out to be middling at best. Meanwhile, Fallout 76 gets fed like the proverbial holiday hog...

[@matman000000]

Leave it to Bethesda to basically win a lottery with the TV show reviving interest in Fallout, only to screw it up a few weeks later with their absurd incompetence. How do you make a next-gen update for a 9-year-old game 4 years into the consoles' generation and still eff it up?

[@fangslore9988]

actually its skill issues. Bethesda's reliance on the Creation Engine, one that was already out of date by the time they made skyrim held them back. Bethesda should just use Unreal Engine 5, it may cost a bit more but they'll be able to shorten the amount of time it would take to release the games. they should hire better talent and raise the bar higher on their games

[@larb6314]

​@@fangslore9988Yet modders can make the shitty engine work

[@fangslore9988]

@@larb6314 true but its an old engine and bethesda don't exactly hire the best tallent, they're mainly a publisher than a developer with only currently 4 active IPs in their in-house studio they developed themselves with many others they simply published including but not limited to doom, Elder Scrolls Online, Redfall, Dishonored and a few others (Elder scrolls online is technically a Bethesda IP but it was made by Zenimax and published by Bethesda)

[@Sines314]

This is why I don't believe that Bethesda is malicious. They're just grossly incompetent. I don't know how they are THIS bad... but this is just stupidity.

[@foofoo3344]

Literally shooting yourself in the foot with a real gun would have been better.

[@projectbrs4860]

The more I see todd Howard spill crap out of his mouth, the more I see him as a used car salesman

[@twinphalanx4465]

"No lowballing. I know what I got, she runs hot"

[@WackyIraqi777]

@@twinphalanx4465 My cars get EIGHT TIMES the mileage!

[@twinphalanx4465]

@@WackyIraqi777 straight pipe these babies got dwemer pipes

[@Reoko77]

*slaps hood of car* She just works kid. You buyin or what?!

[@Iffy350]

@@Reoko77Put it in H.

[@valok252]

It,s funny how mods is the only thing keeping Skyrim and Fallout 4 alive yet Bethesda constantly tries to kill them. BGS is suicidal.

[@MorfsPrower]

I have them on #3 on The List ™️. They're right underneath Ubisoft and Actiblizz. I spend zero dollars on Beth. Everything new they dish out is nothing to me. I was hoping for Fallout London but after the sabotaging Bethesda has been doing, they've permanently gained my lethargy. I don't care to buy anything else from such a volatile and spiteful company.

[@vetreas366]

Just the free ones. They're perfectly fine trying to get you to buy their own mods however.

[@danieldykstra4100]

I cant wait until someone else buys the rights to Fallout and we get NV2

[@josephdias5859]

​@@danieldykstra4100or Microsoft just hands it to obsidian

[@DigitalApex]

​@@josephdias5859 One can only hope.

[@tachi1034]

In Todds eye's those 8 years of nothing was 8 years of working on Food item textures, just look at those grease smears on the sausage packaging in Skyfield.

[@peckneck2439]

tfw Fallout London got pushed to god knows when and all we got as compensation was an update that did absolutely nothing but break our modlists and added an enclave miniquest which is basically copium and pales in comparison to America Rising 2. Like... i just don't understand. Are we really THAT bad of a fanbase to deserve this sort of treatment? It literally feels like Bethesda has planned and wanted to screw us over like this. Like they spend YEARS carefully planning every single detail 50 times over to ensure that we'll be as screwed as it was only possible.

[@zalabit927]

I'd say they're not as dedicated as to carefuly plot this, they definitely know what they're doing. They'll just drop worthless bug fixes and crack a few laughs as they watch hardworking people being screwed over for offering free and better content than their stupid paid service. They're aholes, simple as that.

[@KNAFHLCJPT7A8EU3]

Its that what we deserve for giving money to those mfs.

[@codeinecowboy8607]

That’s what happens when entire legions of fanboys defend the game breaking bugs as “charming” and fun”

[@Bushprowler]

Fallout London is a scam.

[@barrygoddards]

Supply n demand

[@unoriginalperson72]

Bethesda on their way to casually break everything they touch

[@UploadsfortheSoul]

Bethesda try to be competent for 1 fucking second challenge (Impossible)

[@DarthMcDoomington]

"Hmm, what was that quote again?... If it ain't broke, BREAK THE FUCK OUT OF IT!... Yeah, that's gotta be it."

[@MaxRamos8]

I must be super lucky then. As a newish player with 0 mods the only thing that gets stuck is the loading screen, so I minimize the game then watch t and pull it back up and I'm good

[@GA-br8wj]

It is not casual

[@unoriginalperson72]

​@@GA-br8wj yeah it's professionally

[@lexus8018]

The TV show tourists defending Bethesda over this horrendous update has been sickening to see

[@ultraviolet540]

You’re a diamond in the ruff my friend

[@MarquisLeary34]

Is there people defending it?! I haven't heard anyone, casual and hardcore alike, say this was a great idea.

[@a.graham_arts7359]

With 1000+ hrs on Playstation vanilla this update was 10/10. 60fps not crashing in boston and CC fixes that was all i wanted and that was what i got.

[@jaek__]

​@@MarquisLeary34right here in this thread lol

[@MarquisLeary34]

@@a.graham_arts7359 Can't relate. I had that, improved combat and audio, and Bethesda fucked it up.

[@combineconformist]

I remember as soon as it came out, people flooded the xbox review page telling modded players to “cry” and that it’s “our fault for playing with mods on year old game saves”. It was genuinely annoying as shit to see. Glad to see reasonable people responding to the situation now.

[@vincelupo8419]

holy shit.

[@vixx-kun7686]

Ikr? Its like we're not allowed to be angry at mega corporations for, excuse my language but completely shitting diarrhea on us and calling it rain. We're allowed to be angry at them.

[@mauricioalpizarrodriguez9078]

Console players = 30fps losers who still pay for multiplayer service

[@xuanqili184]

It took them 16Gb of codes to make the mods stop working......

[@ggolden]

i think those 16gbs are just compressed textures that were decompressed

[@nilakalis854]

The update broke fo4 on PS4 for me. Can't even open it

[@bdleo300]

@@ggolden pack files probably, they change 2 lines in 5gb file but you have to dl the entire file. It just works!

[@SamplrOfMoonshine]

i think that is just trash file, i can't believe that 16gb is fuсking code or textures that were unused

[@serioserkanalname499]

Thats 5 entire deeprock galactics to improve the visuals by not at all, make the performance worse and break all your mods for... no benefit whatsoever :O

[@maboilaurence8227]

I'm honestly surprised the game isn't being review bombed on Steam, Bethesda apologists are a different breed.

[@Ranger_Brutus]

They damage controlled hard when the TV show butchered established lore and destroyed New Vegas, they aren't just a different breed they're full on brain dead that consume everything Bethesda releases without question and deflects criticism.

[@someguy2309]

I think it is more likely that nobody plays Fallout 4 anymore even with the show coming out. I haven’t played for probably five years now even with mods.

[@sjfs231]

Bethesda can release a game like 76, fix it slightly, and the fans are now happy with it.

[@Ranger_Brutus]

Bethesda fanboys standards are so low, they can release a game that looks 5th gen and they'll defend it to the end, same kind of people that accept broken games and rebuy call of duty every year

[@someguy2309]

@@Ranger_Brutus I also just finished the video and current players are up by 200%. I was way off lol.

[@fable23]

You compared it to Cyberpunk 2.0, but I think a more accurate (and humiliating) comparison would be Witcher 3's Next Gen update. Not only was it a genuine update in both a graphical and gameplay sense, making the game look better and addressing numerous complaints about the balancing of certain systems, but it also included a fairly lengthy new quest... with full voice acting. No little text notes needed! It turns out, voice actors like to work, and will come back if you pay them. Shocking, I know! While we're comparing things, I've heard it said that it would be too much trouble, or too iffy from a legal standpoint, for Bethesda to just fully incorporate fan created bug fixes or mods in their game. To that, I say: popular roguelike _The Binding of Isaac_ had an enormous fan-created overhaul known as Antibirth which launched right around the time of what was supposed to be the final version of the game. Rather than shut it down, Edmund McMillan got in touch with the mod authors and straight up hired them, and although it took a while, the result was _The Binding of Isaac: Repentance,_ an absolute masterpiece that included nearly double the content of any other version of the game, including Antibirth, and is regarded as the definitive version of the game. Passion can be such a powerful tool if you are willing to do what it takes to harness and nurture it. There is so much passion around Bethesda's games, but like everything else they have, they don't know what to do with it.

[@jasper_the_ghost]

@@theguybehindyou4762Probably because they’ve spat in our faces so many times. Even when someone is being intentionally malicious, they still won’t be happy when you’re critical of it.

[@blueyandicy]

ehhh, a little fanboy-y on the Repentance ride. It absolutely was not a masterpiece, it was buggy and unfair, and i don't think most people consider it the definitive edition, especially on launch lol

[@vincelupo8419]

hiring modders or buying their work (as in, Bethesda should buy the fallout london work and release it as a dlc) should really happen more often.

[@matth2283]

Ain't no way bro called repentance a masterpiece 💀 I love Isaac but repentance is lowkey ass. Made the game way harder to the point Hutts, a pretty popular streamer, said it multiple times if you are just getting into isaac turn repentance off, because the game is way easier without it

[@fable23]

@@matth2283 fine, it's _slightly_ contentious, but still mostly positively regarded, and it's sure as fuck a better note to end on than whatever the fuck Afterbirth+ was supposed to be.

[@FEDsShotMOM]

Alright hand the entire IP over to Obsidian, you're done

[@leanbean8962]

Bethesda you've lost your fallout ip and give them the elder scrolls series to while your at it😂

[@FEDsShotMOM]

Wellll sht. Turns out Obsidian has been radicalized too, but maybe they can make a cleaner game

[@m4rionettealastor702]

The worst part about the next green update is that I couldn't load games until yesterday. I had a loading screen of over an hour. I made dinner, ate, and came back to the loading screen.

[@whensomethingcriesagain]

At least you got that far, mine just crashes within 5 seconds of launching the exe

[@erniegang8127]

Yo, if you’re on pc, alt tabbing while loading unlocks the frame rate massively speeding up load times

[@m4rionettealastor702]

@@erniegang8127 i primarily play Fallout 4 on a Series X.

[@Techischannel]

There is a loading fix mod for exactly this thing.

[@TheFirstCurse1]

What's the "next green update"? Does it turn everything Green?

[@NonchalantBoyo7896]

But at least we got the AK 50

[@zalabit927]

And a shitty Enclave quest.

[@ultimatebobafett130]

But Ak 50

[@jacobpeacy4003]

Silver linings and all that

[@uncannyvalley3190]

@@zalabit927he’s referring to Brandon Herrera releasing his AK-50 v3 video. It’s been teased for like 2 years now.

[@JM.MEL_]

very true, I wonder if he'll ever make it into a commercial product... id bite.

[@lukesimms2392]

I got reminded by the absolute brain rot on tiktok after this update dropped. Saw shit including "Fallout players complained they didnt get updates, now they got one and they still complain, they dont know what they want" (bruh) "Who cares about your mods, its not how the game was meant to be played" "Idk why people dont like the story, its deep and impactful" (this i just found funny)

[@giuseppesagona7522]

That's god tier brainrot honestly

[@cheesofile666]

The youtube comments section used to be synonymous with drooling retardation. Nowadays it's better than pretty much all the rest of social media.

[@jaek__]

I've seen plenty of posts saying that FNV is actually bad or onpar with Fallout 4's story and anyone who disagrees in the comments is one of those awful 'FNV fanboys' who hates the community.

[@lukesimms2392]

@@jaek__ fr, they don't realize they're literally the exact same😭

[@fojisan2398]

>Fallout 4 >Deep and Impactful story Pick one

[@orivilletycoon1437]

Sim Settlements 2 is the best thing to happen to Fallout 4 and I hope Kinggath keeps cooking

[@gulskjegglive]

The same hate Bugthesda pours out on Obsidian due to New Vegas is the same hate being dumped on the Fallout London crew. Little Todd can not stand being outshined by more competent developers, so he deliberately sabotaged the competition.

[@MrHolodoc]

That is not true at all, where tf do ya'll Fanboys get this Information? Why tf would they hate Products and Mods that literally make People give them Money, what kind of stupid Idea is that? And come on, really? Guys, if Bethesda really hated with passion NV they would've just... deleted it before it launched or uncanonize it. And guess what? They didn't proposely release the Next-Gen Update to screw over FO: London, instead it was because it was announced 2 Years ago and People were getting impatient.

[@Sunflowercowboy]

​@@MrHolodocwell guess what? They did try to uncannonize NV in the show. They only reversed themselves after massive blowback, and even then only barely, intentionally killing the lore possiblity of FNV2 without major retconning

[@fangslore9988]

well remember Obsidian left Zenimax for a reason to be an indi studio than microsoft was like "mine mine mine mine mine!" and took it

[@MrHolodoc]

@@Sunflowercowboy Bruh... they didn't uncannonize it, ya'll are just Idiots that don't realize how a Timeline works.

[@rissaarei5336]

@@MrHolodoc If a player can't recognize if something was done by malice or by ineptitude it should tell you something about the developers. I've been playing Bethesda games since Morrowind and my goodwill and patience with them is currently at a zero. No more. If they aren't malicious then they definitely are negligent and disinterested to a degree that borders on intent.

[@oddtomato1049]

How is Microsoft tolerating Bethesda failing this pathetically over and over? Are they going to make back those 7 billion through merch sales alone? If so, how are they going to sell merch if Bethesda ruined all their IP's? Keeping Bethesda as it is just makes Microsoft look worse in association.

[@randallporter1404]

Exactly, Microsoft should have the power to control the development of their Products and they have their own publishing studio/department/staff so why take on the cost of additional publishers like Actard and Bethesda Softworks. Lay off all of them, save money, and take control, Manage your IPs yourself.

[@dr.garretsshow]

They tolerate Mojang and Blizzard, why wouldn't they tolerate Bethesda?

[@oddtomato1049]

@@dr.garretsshow Minecraft is an extremely popular and profitable game, especially Bedrock with it's Minecointransactions. Despite their spinoffs not having really hit yet. And I don't know what's going on with Blizzard, I don't really play Activision games. The last Activision game I remember playing was Skylanders many years back.

[@dr.garretsshow]

@@oddtomato1049 StarCraft II is know to have some big bugs occasionally (all your levels suddenly disappearing in one update, coming back in the next week). Although Mojang might be an exaggerated comparison, many bad administrative/game dev choices on their part are ignored by fans or thrown to Microsoft.

[@oddtomato1049]

@@dr.garretsshow Considering what Xbox is up to recently and Microsoft pushing Windows 11 despite nobody asking for it, I don't think they're doing anything over there. I wouldn't be surprsied if all Xbox leadership does is "Number goes up, buy studio. Number goes down, disband studio." Their contradictory statements make me think the leadership isn't actually putting any thought into anything, other than improvising an excuse whenever it goes wrong.

[@Deadsphere]

Bethesda seems to be suffering from a disease known as "Skyrimitis" where every game they release that's not Skyrim seems to completely and utterly bomb.

[@Seoul_Soldier]

And the only reason Skyrim didn't bomb is because it was released in 2011, before their the game design was outdated and boring.

[@Deadsphere]

@@Seoul_Soldier Before they released Skyrim five different times*

[@sjfs231]

unfortunately every game after Skyrim still made loads of money, even 76 was profitable, so we aren't getting anything better

[@Deadsphere]

@@sjfs231 We can only pray TES6 is good after like seven years of development

[@sjfs231]

@@Deadsphere Hopefully, but unlikely

[@enderkatze6129]

They released one update for the next-gen update, and then did fuck-all, leaving everything broken as shit.

[@chrisbj5251]

-It's ok guys! The TV series is "good" so everything is forgiven.- That's an argument I've seen around in defense for all this mess.

[@OldMayt]

i think the TV show is mid, but its the first piece of "good" fallout we've had since new vegas

[@chrisbj5251]

the bar is that low? okey.

[@unoriginalperson72]

​​@@OldMayt it's an acceptable mid, nothing ground breaking

[@donkeypuncher5968]

@@unoriginalperson72 yeah I agree with that, the Fallout fanbase has been so starved for content and anything "mediocre" that they'll take anything over 4 and 76

[@bdleo300]

Shocking how Todd's adoring fans still defend everything Bethesda. Or maybe they are bots, I refuse to believe they are real humans.

[@MalleusSemperVictor]

"Should we consider the modding community who keeps our games afloat?" Todd: "Nah, fuck 'em."

[@brovid-19]

Emil: "and by 'them', you mean a family member you're trying to find, right?"

[@MaxRamos8]

I must be super lucky then. As a newish player with 0 mods the only thing that gets stuck is the loading screen, so I minimize the game then watch t and pull it back up and I'm good

[@justbread4570]

@@brovid-19fallout 5: “i’m looking for my mom” (calling it now)

[@unoriginalperson72]

​@@ZaleraArkanus666 silence, Todd cultist

[@justbread4570]

@@ZaleraArkanus666 how many people do you think mod the game vs how many dont? also it is just bad to alienate any fans, so cool it with your sense of entitlement buddy

[@NorzOrilKern]

seeing this, i am verry happy to have "acquired" the game by "others means"...

[@concept5631]

Piracy is cool

[@NorzOrilKern]

@@concept5631 not that much, as a small developer i can tell you it’s infuriating but quite the effective thing against dumb decisions from big and i mean BIG companies like that, i don’t have to update my game and i’m not planning to until all of my 500-600 mods are updated :D

[@concept5631]

@@NorzOrilKern Based

[@Firaxo]

I bought it on release and was disappointed extremely. Don’t give them money even after all those years bro

[@concept5631]

@@Firaxo Which will never happen and people will continue to give them money.

[@cybernetic_crocodile8462]

AAA games developers at this point ask for getting their games to be pirated.

[@nicholascauton9648]

I seriously hope they do at this point. One day they’re going to regret chasing those ESG scores rather than actually listening to their fans. I hope they go completely bankrupt.

[@kl41256-p]

@@nicholascauton9648 Blame out of touch, money hungry execs

[@rubenlopez3364]

Theres a lot of mods that will be lost for good since the creators made them and never updated them for years already

[@TheFirstCurse1]

Yeah he said that in the video. It sucks.

[@apollopham3256]

@@TheFirstCurse1 the only hope for those mods is other modders passionate enough to update them. I’ve seen it in another modding community (starsector)

[@theobell2002]

Most mods don't need to be updated. Only the script extender.

[@charlesgrant6808]

​@@apollopham3256Starsector mentioned, good taste detected

[@Xahnel]

@@theobell2002 That's not true at all. Anything could be broken by an update. Literally anything.

[@mouseblackcat5263]

Funny how this "Update" stopped Fallout: London from taking any attention away from the TV Show.

[@smokedbeefandcheese4144]

Or 76 I could easily see them breaking fallout four to force people into buying fall out first

[@HunterAnsorge-ok9jk]

@@smokedbeefandcheese4144 I would sooner download an older release version of 4 than play 76 for even 3 hours.

[@sambacchiochi7037]

most schizo take i've ever heard, why would the tv show designed for consumption by those unfamiliar with the fallout IP be undermined by a niche fangame that will not see the light of day outside of tighter circles

[@etrangray-mane8610]

Because the show is (from what I've heard) decent/mid, whereas modders making what is essentially a new Fallout game is, at the very​least, impressive. @@sambacchiochi7037

[@Wertyhappy27]

​@@HunterAnsorge-ok9jk76 isn't that bad though, compared to the betas at least

[@war_fish]

MOD's are what keeps Bethesda alive.

[@aeonsbeyond]

Well they keep trying to kill them and they're fucking assholes

[@TheFutureIsOurs-qu5qo]

No,no,no Bethesda doesn't matter. These beautiful people at Nexus are keeping us veteran gamers at peace and happy :)

[@getoveryourself2212]

If that isn't the truth... been seeing fanboys say how a mod makes a game better, forgetting w/o mods, the game is asinine

[@war_fish]

I dont consider Bethesda a "game studio" They're just a studio that made a game engine that modders made into a playable game

[@war_fish]

@@zee-fr5kw fallout 76.

[@kraziivan_]

People are excited to to play Fallout 4 because of the show Bethesda: We'll take care of that! If you trust bethesda to not completely destroy something, you're insane.

[@NotAdachiPeople]

Pretty sure the newcomers from the show won’t care about mods

[@MiningJack777]

I honestly did not expect brandy to look like that (not in a bad way, i just didn't imagine what he looked like)

[@XLopencode]

I'd imagine him being a nerd or smt, but he's hot af

[@emrecanarduc4378]

imo he sounded like a metal music lover and he looks like it

[@fojisan2398]

He looks how I expected him to look if he didn't look like a chad

[@Brothernumber3]

"My voice-face doesn't match my face-face" - Matt McMuscles

[@TheSektorz]

Oh boy, I can't tell you how excited I was to install Fallout 4 again, download the "Next gen update", play for a whole 10 minutes to realize there's nothing "next gen" or "update" about it, and uninstall it, wishing I could refund Fallout 4 for the second time.

[@ultraviolet540]

Play the Mad Max game, oddly enough it was overshadowed by Fo4 when it first came out- but it’s got a lot more heart and personality.

[@TheSektorz]

@@ultraviolet540 didn't know there was a Mad Max game. Looks pretty cool, will check it out, thanks

[@rebcommando587]

Next gen update doesn't mean new game so what did you expect

[@The_Cranky_Painter]

@@TheSektorz Second on playing Mad Max. That game had no right being as good as it was. :D

[@BioClone]

@@ultraviolet540 I enjoyed mad max on release... still I invested 7 times more on Fallout 4 than on Mad max... It was good because noone expected much, but the game is not amazing... Fallout 4 feels way better on the sandbox part... mad max relies on the setting and on the vehicles, otherways the game would feel barren and repetitive.

[@GibsMeMunny]

Add more mod space for the Xbox version, as requested by players: ❌️ Add crap nobody cares about, breaking crap in the process: ✅️ Thanks again, Todd. 🤡👌

[@a.graham_arts7359]

Making downtown boston stable on vanilla and not NEED mods to make it run was not "crap nobody cares about" as someone who plays mainly vanilla this update was great 10/10

[@amadeusagripino6862]

It just works

[@marlon.8051]

​@@a.graham_arts7359 couldnt you get that with mods already?

[@MaxRamos8]

I must be super lucky then. As a newish player with 0 mods the only thing that gets stuck is the loading screen, so I minimize the game then watch t and pull it back up and I'm good

[@Crispy_DAWG]

@@a.graham_arts7359 Sure, but after I finish this vanilla playthrough I can’t go back and start something new with mods. That the part keeping this game alive. As a console player on PS5 this update is a huge disappointment despite getting much better frames because all they do is reduce the clutter rather than actually optimize their game. Not to mention the fact they literally broke other people’s hard work. Edit: not to mention no increased size for mods. We’re stuck with the 2 GB size. This update in its entirety is a massive L

[@Hairysteed]

_"Why would __-Vault-Tec-__ Bethesda do this?"_

[@wavezDDS]

Bethesda remain the most incompetent AAA developers in the industry, completely broke my modlist for this typical half ass Bethesda slop... and half the new quests they added don't even work. Still dealing with 9 year old bugs on top of everything. It's just sad.

[@fangslore9988]

bethesda isn't a AAA company, they never have been LMAO they just happen to be a game studio that has some very popular games

[@mkv2718]

@@fangslore9988that’s what AAA means. and now they’re owned by Microsoft. have you been lying to yourself and thinking that bethesda is an indie dev? 😂

[@franzosisch5965]

@@fangslore9988 Cope harder, fanboy.

[@beforelifewaschaos]

​@@franzosisch5965 where do you take he is a fanboy? Lmh take that log out of your rearside, sweety.

[@franzosisch5965]

@@beforelifewaschaos Lol, can you make your bait a little more obvious?

[@triplecastsleep1924]

I can't believe that I thought "this guy brandy sounds like he has great hair". Then BAM, great hair.

[@dreamsprayanimation]

Gay

[@lowqualitymichrophone]

giga jesus

[@deezelfairy]

Not only did the update delete all my mods, it also deleted my favourites list. It just works... Thanks Todd 👍

[@RSAgility]

And thats why I stopped playing long ago, because they don't leave things we already enjoy alone... I have to play offline to not download their updates, but then I can't use mods to fix the broken base game. Just don't support them anymore No more money for them. Wait until games are on sale or something months later if you must play them. the whole preorder and day one buys is what's making games worse and companies rich...

[@AstraKitsune]

IT JUST WORKS!

[@deezelfairy]

@@RSAgility Completely agree, reality is now i probably won't play Fallout 4 for a very long time, maybe years. Too much effort sorting all the mods out again for an old game. And I'm with you with pre-ordering games. Absolutely no reason to do so in the digital age and is 100% the reason for today's janky, buggy releases. Last game I pre-ordered was Snowrunner back in 2020 and vowed never too again.

[@smeggiamagarwine]

delete?? tf did you use the ingame mods or something? if you're a normal person using mo2 just downgrade the game. easy.

[@deezelfairy]

@@smeggiamagarwine On Xbox series X so not exactly much choice but to use the in game mod browser

[@Known_as_The_Ghost]

So what I got from this video is: 1. There's probably only one person working on Fallout 4 at Bethesda 2. Modders have been carrying Bethesda for ages 3. Bethesda tries their best to mess with the modders who carried them 4. Buy Skyrim again

[@StolasXB]

The interesting part is that F4 on xbox series X already had a 60 fps mode. the xbox had a "compatibility option" that allowed you to get 60 fps by turning down the graphics, years before this update. Of course, when I tested it, these modes looked the exact same. Im CONVINCED that they just took that feature and made it in game.

[@DudeWivAutism]

Nah the fps boost sucked ass. It was literally the lowest settings for everything. Although the update I bad, its far better than the boost

[@Myst291]

There's a mod called 60 fps that makes the fps boost obsolete

[@DudeWivAutism]

@Myst291 I know, until the update, its what I used, however it was incredibly inconsistent

[@MichaMundy]

Bethesda should focus on actually making the next elder scroll and fallout good rather than doing "next gen" update. But tbh with how starfield turns out, I don't even have hope anymore

[@sixx2683]

Exactly.

[@Reac2]

Don't worry the unpaid intern made this, no resource loss on the main titles 🤡

[@Madmetalmaniac42069]

That won't happen. Much like Rockstar, Bethesda are a shell of what they once were. Some faces are the same, but the general vibe is that of carelessness and greed. Its sad to see two of my favorite development companies change like this. They probably make a lot of money on Creation Club content.

[@franzosisch5965]

@@Madmetalmaniac42069 They actually didn't. That's partially why skyrim "anniversary" exists. To make up for their failed mod store.

[@Syke36]

You know what? I’m gonna say it. Modern Bethesda is incapable of making good games. Studio leadership is lazy, complacent, incompetent, and stuck in their old ways resulting in the entire studio’s output becoming stagnant since Oblivion. BGS has triple-A budgets and presence, but their output is C tier indie schlock at best.

[@chunkofchunks]

My favorite part of this update is that it’s actively made Boston Common and the surrounding areas even worse somehow. Fresh Character+No Mods+No Creations+Performance Mode+SeriesX=Sub 10 FPS. Some-fucking-how. Only upside is that now, instead of Constant CTDs it just nearly provokes seizures.

[@HotBread213]

I was speaking to my friends about this whole update fiasco. During the discussion a term came up concerning Bethesda that I still think to this day Uniquely incompetent

[@dreukrag]

After the whole "we dont use design documents thing" and "lead writer makes main character accessory to war crimes on a whim, walks back after realizing it" I feel like they're very much stuck in an amateur group think mentality. Where they can't ditch the way they've been doing things because they're clearly successfull, so improvements are discarded, and they've been doing it that way for so long that attempting to improve it feels out of reach. Its like this weird vortex of incompetence and excellence and mediocrity that barely limps over the finish line just to be acceptable enough. But I feel its going to catch up. Starfield was such a big disappointment.

[@borginburkes1819]

@@dreukragthey’re literally just stuck in the past. Their games are pretty ground breaking and ambitious… for 2006. It’s been 2 decades and other studios have eclipsed them in size and scope of their games.

[@ramoraid]

I immediately hit offline mode on steam, I can't let Bethesda ruin my mods 😂😂

[@corvega_joe]

@@volkskrieg8735it’s been a while but I think you right click on the game and select settings or something like that and under the update section, change it from “always keep the game updated” to “Only update when I launch the game.” When you select only update when I launch, the game will never update because you aren’t launching the game from Steam. You’re launching via F4SE.

[@Leeloo-Foxx]

i didnt even get the chance, mine updated before i could even react so i grabbed the simple downgrader

[@brovid-19]

/fallout4/mods/81471?tab=description nexus mods you're welcome.

[@reaperaf9511]

​@@Leeloo-Foxx wait theres a downgrader?! Ok i need to find it asap

[@SavathunSussyImpostor]

You just need to disable automatic update and start the game through files

[@mkapidzic6408]

The worst part is realising that bethesda is dead,they are never going to release a good game again,they are greedy,lazy,disconected from the fans,and Todd just keeps telling bullshit,I lost all respect for the man,I am never going to buy their games again

[@coolidgeowens320]

Ok bye

[@jasper_the_ghost]

Wait wait! Hold your horses! … Bethesda made a good game at some point?

[@mkapidzic6408]

@@jasper_the_ghost well morrowind was good,skyrim and oblivion little bit worse but still good,fallout 3 was good not as good as new vegas but still ok,the rest is trash

[@jasper_the_ghost]

@@mkapidzic6408 I think Morrowind is pretty good. I think people give Oblivion and Skyrim waaaay more nostalgia credit than they deserve though.

[@mkapidzic6408]

@@jasper_the_ghost yes oblivion has problems the worst for me is the infinite enemy scaling,so you basically feel no char progression at all,still can be fixed with mods,skyrims worst problem for me is dumbing down the skills and attributes sistem,and yes the main story is boring but its playable compare it to starfield for example that game is boring as fuck

[@TheMock5000]

Just an fyi to anyone, it still isn't fixed.

[@KA-vs7nl]

yup

[@benbreuer4966]

On console it’s definitely better. But… uh… that’s the same as saying 1 is bigger than 0.

[@greenthunder1000]

What isn’t? All of it?

[@stevep2448]

​@greenthunder1000 I started playing on the PS5 this time around. It stutters. Mods don't work right, even the 'next gen' mods. Artifacts all over. Lag in populating some assets. The game crashes a lot, though I can't compare the frequency because my original playthrough was PC.

[@jaydgn]

​@benbreuer4966 at least you can open the menu

[@pepsicola4718]

When you design your games to be completed and reworked by modders why in the hell would you ever think of adding an update that breaks mods? Someone at Bethesda must have lost a significant chunk of their brain in an unfortunate accident.

[@jaek__]

money talks, any update to your old game will generate interest and attract more normies, get more people buying your potentially following the Fallout tv show hype

[@M_CFV]

@@jaek__ or you ruin your image by making said update dogshit

[@BioClone]

this kind of "opinion" is what ends making all developers to stop giving tools to modders and at the end of the day making worldbuilders, map editors and similar be in total extinction.

[@Blopusanian]

⁠@@BioCloneLol they would do that anyway the moment mods might affect bottom line for real. Irrelevant point.

[@BioClone]

@@Blopusanian " the moment mods might affect bottom line for real" wtf you mean with that? guess you didnt get the point

[@schwarzwelt6803]

i called this "the starfield aftereffect" bethesda is dead it's just the memes are keeping them alive

[@davidxontala9322]

bethesda be like: *buy the game *refuse to fix bugs *let modders to their job *release a anniversary edition for 40 dollars *game still has the same bugs, but there are 4 new unique weapons really, this only stops if WE stop buying their product starfield was the biggest disappointment in my gaming experience, and not even mods can save it, its just so mediocre bethesda boycott

[@ultraviolet540]

I didn’t and won’t ever purchase Starfield, I just watched my friend play it once when it came out and that was more than enough for me. It’s funny that No Man’s Sky had a much smaller and inexperienced studio, an arguably worse launch- but they were still able to one up Bethesda before Starfield even released.

[@majorpwner241]

Can't believe you fell for Starfield. I get dicked over by them every time they do one of these updates, but I at least stick to the flagship games. 0 sympathy for Fallout 76 or ESO players either being real with you. Use your brains, people. At this rate I'll be pirating their major releases instead of buying them.

[@nicholascauton9648]

The last Bethesda game I’ve ever bought was literally Fallout 4. On PC. Since then, I never bought a single game from them. Not even Shitfield. And until they have Fallout 5 and Elder Scrolls 6 released, I absolutely refuse to buy a single game from these disgusting dipshits. The Bethesda hate is more than well-deserved. It’s completely warranted.

[@rigel9228]

​@@majorpwner241 I agree, there are a lot of people these days that say how FO76 has become a genuinely better game but even if that's true, i couldn't care less.

[@simplexjohnny]

What's wrong with eso? I never played it or even hear about it​@majorpwner241

[@K-Anator]

I just recently found out that this update is still completely broken. I cannot play the most recent version of Fallout 4 on my computer. No matter what I do I get sub 20 FPS, everywhere. It wasn't until I used the Fallout: London downgrader that anything worked. I dropped back to the previous patch, and boom, 72 FPS solid. Bethesda is useless.

[@Kuru20134]

They didn’t even bother add more mod storage to consoles, 2gb is not enough

[@ultraviolet540]

Thank you!!

[@devendoffing7004]

On series S it’s laggy as hell. It’s actually insane how bad it is

[@Themistocles30]

you got 76 though

[@metalgearhank]

on gang i have never experienced any of the bugs and shi that everyone is talking about. my game has not had any hiccups or anything

[@TerryMoorer-m7e]

Fr mine was laggy too until the game just stopped working. im definitely getting a refund if i can

[@RepostGuy101]

on series X i can barely move around without the game freezing for like 3 minutes and then unfreezing

[@devendoffing7004]

@@RepostGuy101 yeah, i been getting that too. Like I’m happy the game doesn’t crash every 5 seconds now like it used to for me, but constantly freezing then unfreezing isn’t the solution I had in mind

[@stalectos]

fun fact the baseball launcher from the makeshift weapons pack recycled it's vats cost and number of vats shots from the gatling laser. as a consequence the 9 shot baseball launcher (unless they fixed it by now) fires 18 shots in vats and only takes 9 ammo giving you 9 ammo for free if you pick up the baseballs after a vats attack.

[@ultraviolet540]

Even with Creation Club, they still haven’t been able to make a vanilla firearm that’s worth using- I’ve been using Deadpool’s Service Rifle for years and have never looked back.

[@ShadowGricken]

Genuinely what does this update actually do? For how beefy it is I can't figure out what it does.

[@aprinnyonbreak1290]

It breaks mods. That's actually what it does.

[@Alex_FRD]

You cannot convince me this wasn't Bethesda sabotaging mods like London, Arroyo, 4NV, Cascadia, and Miami just because they know those mods would be better received than the TV show. And that they released *another* update just a 2 days after F4SE got updated? And that Nexus mods suffers an outage on the day that happens? All just coincidence, I'm sure. Because people lack basic mental function (in fairness, most people liked the TV show, so case in point), I don't actually think Bethesda nuked Nexus mods, and I know Next Gen 2 (stupid name) was only to fix the cascade of errors that came with the update, mostly on Xbox. But yes, the tinfoil has ballistic weave and a few legendary effects.

[@MarquisLeary34]

No. The TV show did pretty good regardless. I wouldn't put it past being suggested though.

[@cheesofile666]

Ehhhhhhhh normies wouldn't be interested immediately overhauling FO4 with massive mods. I think the devs are just under strict orders not to acknowledge the existence of mods in any way whatsoever. Doing so makes Bethesda look bad. Maintaining compatibility would be a wink to the modding scene, and we can't have that now can we.

[@HaterOfBayle]

Take off the tin-foil hat.

[@AClockworkHellcat]

Apparently London's the only one that really got screwed over; seems the others planned around the release of the Fallout show, figuring Bethesda would pull something like this once it dropped. Nexus mods suffering an outage because people flooded it to check for updated mods wasn't part of Bethesda's plan, and if Bethesda were capable of organizing something like that, they'd be capable of making better games than they do. And releasing another update to a massive patch none of the customers were happy with within a handful of days has nothing to do with F4SE also getting updated in that time; Bethesda's trying to do the bare minimum possible to keep their games selling, while F4SE's dev is always playing catch-up because he can't know what Bethesda's going to break in each update until it drops. There are so many heinous things Bethesda *actually* does that inventing some Pepe Silvia-tier conspiracy theory only gives them cover. Open a window and get some air.

[@scottorgan2255]

Upgrade the tinfoil to ballistic weve LOL

[@scout9593]

If I was in charge of this shit, I’d do something like a “I want you!” event where the authors of the most popular bug fixes/graphics mods were talked to and asked if they would let the mods be added into the base game

[@mercs7849]

Lmao no they just steal the code for the next installment of their games. They don't ask.

[@aatusha]

Valve used this same exact strategy to make Counter-Strike, Portal, and TF2. I dont understand why more games studios don't do this, especially Bethesda

[@someguyonyt2831]

Seeing this makes me hate Bethesda even more. I already hate them but this is just mind boggling. I’m calling it right now, Bethesda is one of the most out of touch, incompetent game developers in the industry, alongside Ubisoft.

[@DontLookNowBuddy]

Honestly I don’t think this “update” breaking every mod is a coincidence- they just want full control of the Fallout IP and modding, especially now that they’re one-upped at every corner by passionate modders making their own games.

[@timo4463]

sriously? that is your theory? bethesda breaking the thing 70% of people play their gam for? no buddy thats delusional

[@DontLookNowBuddy]

@@timo4463 and you don’t seem to understand how out-of touch and profit incentivized these companies are. They see you as a pay pig and nothing more. They want full control of their IP’s and Bethesda always had ire for modders, despite how much they crowdsource their mess-ups. It’s either that, or they are maliciously incompetent and I don’t know which is worse. But the fact remains: they themselves have screwed their fans and customers consistently. When you get that through your head we can talk

[@Chibi1986]

Bethesda remaking New Vegas? That's a laugh. They'd just break it all over again. EDIT: And you don't want current year Obsidian or Bethesda making Fallout. Neither of them have the writing chops to do it anymore, not with Chris Avellone, Ken Rolston, Michael Kirkbride, and VJ Lakshman gone.

[@hillehai]

Current Obsidian would probably make it a woke mess.

[@Chibi1986]

@@hillehai My point exactly.

[@dark_drakon6814]

You'll need to add Howard he is giving green light All |" It just works' Games need new engine But Howard is too cheap To buy new one / they have no talent to make new engine from Ground up and : "Next Gen" "Assault rifle" X3 Machine gun!!!!!! , "fridge" And making house Evil. Side up Bye Howard .

[@theobell2002]

Current Obsidian still has great writers. What are you on about? And stop with the cringe usage of the word "woke". This ain't a culture war channel.

[@Juanguar]

@@theobell2002>great writers >made the outer worlds LMAO delusional

[@MLPDethDealr32]

Until Bethesda stops screwing with Fallout 4, im keeping it uninstalled. And im not gonna f*ck with " depots". I'll stick with Fallout New Vegas.

[@concept5631]

Yeah playing Vegas then the Bethesda games is just setting you up for disappointment.

[@Leeloo-Foxx]

dont even need to fuck with depots or logging into steam or any of that shit, just grab the simple downgrader. SIMPLE! downgrader, you dont want the other one if you dont want depot bullshit

[@DeyvedsonSantAnna-he2fg]

@@Leeloo-Foxx man u can explai how do that pleasee🥲

[@brovid-19]

fallout4/mods/81471?tab=description so, ya know. regardless. new vegas is a trillion times better than literally anything bethesda has ever put out.

[@majorpwner241]

They plan to wreck New Vegas with an update too last I heard. Good luck. I'm off this shit completely for now.

[@averageanger7092]

They thought they were gonna pull off a Cyberpunk 2077 style revival but then it did the complete opposite 😭

[@theguybehindyou4762]

Only thing they revived was my interest in New Vegas.

[@flynnhunter416]

​@@theguybehindyou4762lmao mood, same here

[@HunterAnsorge-ok9jk]

@@theguybehindyou4762I even bought Fallout 4 on the steam spring sale just for it to not play thanks to the update coming out after years of radio silence. I refunded my unplayable, unmodified game.

[@BioClone]

Cyberpunk revive my ass... 3 years late to get a fucking skill tree balance, LMAO

[@culley8841]

"we noticed you're still having fun , playing an old game. We feel that is distracting you from enjoying our new product, sorry for any inconvenience"

[@NF5000-r5e]

It's not all bad. Fallout 4 now runs at a marginally higher FPS on my computer! Oh and it took me two days fixing my mod load order and I had to disable or Uninstall half of my mods and I had to make a new save Bethesda could barely operate a single macdonalds franchise at this point

[@theguybehindyou4762]

I can't even access mods now.

[@patentedorganism1557]

Yeah, Bethesda has to be one of the only game studios that I have zero faith in their ability to make good games anymore.

[@alexanderrobertson8911]

I honestly feel like Bethesda resents mods for their games. They can't come out and say it because of how many people they would royaly piss off, but everything seems to suggest it.

[@FletcherCat]

That must be why they continually release modding tools for their games.

[@my_little_anarchist]

11:51 what did that poor brahmin do? 😭

[@apfelfreund6859]

Worse about console mod space: they share the space with the CC content, as far I know

[@joesterling4299]

Because CC basically *is* a mod, just an official one originally slated to nickel-and-dime the players.

[@slintisbased]

What’s even worse is that Series S and X already had 60 FPS through the Xbox FPS Boost program. I had absolutely 0 performance issues on Series X prior to the update and now we’re plagued with constant stuttering and frame rate drops. Leave it to Bethesda to break something that wasn’t broken beforehand. And to add insult to injury, the follow up update addressed literally none of the reported performance issues. All it did was add models to the shitty creation content they didn’t bother to play test. Lazy as fuck

[@WolfJarl]

There's never going to be a Fallout 5. At this rate people are gonna lose interest entirely, or we're gonna have Fallout in real life so people will need to channel their inner Vault Dweller or Courier anyway.

[@jaek__]

it probably will come now, soon after TES6, it was like a maybe before the TV show but since this show will probably keep generating hype in upcoming seasons Bethesda will just follow the money

[@cjnf11]

TES and Fallout are Bethesda's very solid cash cows. Starfield obviously isn't on the same level. So eventually they will make more games.

[@rustyjones7908]

​@@jaek__ this but in a sarcastic tone of voice

[@MLPDethDealr32]

More reasons to mod Fallout 4 so the Enclave win and we dont have to see the BoS any more.

[@mr.e3010]

Just checking in six months later. On Xbox, I still cannot get in to work on my mods, because it pops up an error message saying that “the operation could not be completed.” They broke it, and never fixed it. Just left everything in a ruined state. Thanks Bethesda.

[@Blue_Mr_Gutsy]

When I got the update on my xbox I was intrigued at first but then went on later to realize that my 4 day long modded save has now been destroyed barely any of the mods associated with that save are gone and I just sat there and went "Do companies even do things right anymore?" seriously with the amount of bs that everyone deals with from million dollar companies is atrocious playing with mods on xbox is rarely possible this is my #1 gripe right now as ya don't know what mods are updated for the next gen patch and which ones aren't. My other gripe is with the creation club content being forced onto users I never wanted this and I don't think anyone did there are way more better armor mods, weapon mods, & even QUESTS the shit the CC gives you is literally just useless fetch quests with no impact whatsoever just "Go here, kill this, loot" I really only trust modders nowadays since they have more reliability and confidence in making proper "quality" content I like Fallout 4 but Bethesda barely has any control on what to do nowadays. I really feel bad for all those modders especially FO London those guys seriously got a big kick in the nuts on Bethesdas "Next-Gen" of an update.

[@ZaleraArkanus666]

Bethesda isn't obligated to dance around mod authors. It's their game. Cry harder.

[@Blue_Mr_Gutsy]

Buddy without mods the game is utterly repetitive I enjoy the game but without mods and missing textures like it's a Gmod lobby ruins the game entirely Fallout isn't just about role-playing, gunplay, or factions it's also about the mods with this whole new update mods now have to be completely reworked or maybe won't be worked on. "After all we can't expect Todd to do all the work"

[@ZaleraArkanus666]

@@Blue_Mr_Gutsy Funny how every other game in existence somehow does completely fine despite lack of mods, but for some reason Fallout just wouldn't survive. Weird how you put trust in modders when I keep seeing big mods come out with controversies or mediocre reviews. I couldn't imagine wasting my time on fan fiction.

[@Blue_Mr_Gutsy]

@@ZaleraArkanus666 Well obviously not all modders are gonna be the bread and butter cough* The Frontier those guys are a whole new batch of crazy but still with how most developers are nowadays community seems to do a better job than Bethesda for that matter. but still you have your opinions I have mine

[@philliprackow7153]

Bethesda is a smoking pile of shit by now. If TES6 ever releases and it sucks they are dead.

[@aaabbbeee]

How anybody can continue to defend Bethesda just baffles me

[@nicholascauton9648]

They must either be willfully blind/ignorant or their IQ points are in the negatives.

[@rigel9228]

The problem is that not everyone has the same history of being fucked over by Bethesda, especially now that there's a lot of new fans through the tv show. Best thing we can do is telling them about all the shit Bethesda pulled over the years. If that doesn't convince them, there's absolutely no point...

[@Nuniixo]

Its just fans of the Fallout show (which is just bad as well) who happen to be fans of either 4 or 76 who are conditioned to just consume consume and consume.

[@rigel9228]

@@Nuniixo Cringe buzzwords are cringe

[@followerofslack3919]

@@rigel9228 How did he say buzzword?

[@NotAGepard]

I hear the name “next gen update” and I think of something like if minecraft were to add shaders as a setting and 3 new biomes, or if warthunder added a new techtree, a stealth plane for every nation, and modeled bomber cockpits, while also giving every nation a new tank like the Abrams X, KF-51 panther, and T-14, or if fallout got a massive graphical overhaul that rivals Red dead redemption 2 while not sacrificing performance, even on max settings, 15 new enemy types, fixed balancing, and added in many of the best mods into the vanilla game, while also removing many of the stupid designs like the pipe gun and the 10mm pistol with more realistic designs. I would not expect this.

[@ArthPedro]

I came back like 3 weeks before the update and delayed my Replay Playthrough. Idk why I was legit expecting sum Ray Tracing

[@HairryTurttleneck]

yea, im waiting now for london to finally release now

[@markjackson1989]

The engine doesn't use physically based rendering (they said they are, but are lying), meaning they would have to redo every texture to support ray tracing.

[@cheesofile666]

@@markjackson1989 Well, I mean, if you're going to be breaking compatability with everything anyway...

[@AceOfBlackjack]

@@markjackson1989….Mods have already added in raytracing, I honestly like sitting on the prydwen and watching the sun…

[@markjackson1989]

@AceOfBlackjack Those are screenspace raytraced effects. It's essentially an overlay. Unless modders have made massive progress I am unaware of?

[@VurThePerson]

Man. I wish Bethesda actually: 1. Had good weapon/armor design in their games 2. Knew how to make games look good 3. Actually make decisions that make any fucking sense ever 4. Gave a shit about their game 5. Actually gave ANY FUCKS ABOUT THEIR PLAYERBASE

[@kanrakucheese]

Morrowind did have good weapon/armor design.

[@realah3001]

Nah what ye want is dei and shitty weapon packs

[@VurThePerson]

@@kanrakucheese bro morrowind was like 20 years ago?

[@argussekius1788]

after this update, the frame rate began to drop randomly to 30 every five to seven seconds

[@DoomOfConviction]

You can really tell that nobody at Bethesda had a slide clue what a PC is because there are NO GENERATIONS ON PC, so what is a next-gen PC game?!

[@thientuongnguyen2564]

"You see fellow Hodd Toward cultists, ask not what The Great Bethesda hath given you nor what others hath done better ten folds than what we could, for remember, loyal Hodd Toward worshippers, squash thy expectations, modders will fix it, you are not worthy enough to understand His greatness, for, IT, JUST, WORKS" - Bethesda fan and possibly Emil's clone account. Hence why they are utterly incompetent without Fallout Bible.

[@JadenJohnson0810]

yo, under the hotfix "highlights" the first PC highlight says "Frame Rate Target allows you to choose between 30, 40, and 60 (default). It is important to note that to select 40, your display must be able to support 120hz." ????? bethesda big brain.

[@fojisan2398]

Like...why not just make a 120 fps mode? WHY THE FUCK ARE THEY LIMITING IT TO 60?!

[@nathanbentley1939]

120hz is a refresh rate, not a framerate. Two completely different concepts.

[@fojisan2398]

@@nathanbentley1939 BUT STILL!!!

[@JadenJohnson0810]

@@nathanbentley1939 ? i never said they were the same thing bro. i just wanna know why you need a 120hz monitor to lock your fps to 40...

[@XzMondayNightzX]

"Why do you hate the fallout show?" Because they keep fucking with this god damn GAME AND BREAKING MY MODS.

[@jaek__]

and the show sucks ass, that doesn't help

[@XzMondayNightzX]

@@jaek__ Dude true. I feel like a fucking ghoul without any of that "Anti Feral" medication. Or the recycled Enclave, or the most egregious one.... not a single mention of the phrase "CHINESE COMMUNIST". I just watched a video of Frost and said "Man I'd like to play that again in FO4." I am feral right now.

[@Brikiboi69]

Let’s not forget that Bethesda loves to break the original lore.

[@Xictlii]

⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠@@XzMondayNightzXthe enclave was shown in ONE EPISODE, what is bro yapping about.

[@XzMondayNightzX]

​@@Xictlii Bro I'm about to yap you. One episode? With an entire base of operations they just "rebuilt" after 8 million defeats? Maybe if it was just "A few dudes" sure whatever. But after they lost the Oilrig, the NCR fights, The crawler and all their shit on the east coast. All that's left in New Vegas is scraping up old people with Arcade G because they're "remnants". 40 years later they're nothing. What changed since then? On top of NCR and BoS mopping up so where is this shit coming from? They're around but the Legion of Extraordinary Racist Romans isn't? No this stupid plot contrivance and recycled garbage. Absolute communist behavior.

[@glitchtabby]

Bethesda is truly out of touch with what the community wants

[@rayward623]

Bro has so much bass in his voice that it’s shaking my windows and I’m here for it.

[@palico76]

We could multiple Black mesa like remakes If Bethesda was truly suportive of his community (Just How Fnaf, Sonic and half life did) Insted they choose to fuck those teams and sabotage his healtiest modern game. Congratulations...

[@Akial2935]

I try to play vanilla, but I genuinely can't enter Boston without like 5-6 performance mods, and even then it stuttets if not crashes. Somehow doubt the update will allow me to safely play in the city mods or otherwise Update: tested in full vanilla my usual stability test. Starting in Goodneighbor to get to Greentech Genetics, stopping by the Old North Church and Bunker Hill. I had a few slow/stutter but did get there without a crash. Though the few drops do worry me once explosives/vertibirds come into play. May throw on a reduce enemy/compression mod to help that out

[@etrangray-mane8610]

My conspiratorial brain is telling me Bethesda did this to make people play Starfield.

[@FletcherCat]

Doesn't make any sense

[@etrangray-mane8610]

That's why I said my "conspiratorial" brain. ​@@FletcherCat

[@deantrail6789]

​@@FletcherCatWho said people were rational creatures?

[@Reac2]

​@@FletcherCatGive me a reason for this update that does?

[@MLPDethDealr32]

It failed then. i refuse to buy that game. And i refuse to buy or consider Fallout 76 canon.

[@Techmaster7032Official]

This video just makes me wonder more why people call me a "Bethesda Hater" when this right here is the reason I'm so damn critical toward them. I'm not praising a dev team for shilling out bullshit, I'm only praising them if they actually FIX the game. And they haven't done that. So I'm not praising mediocrity.