How Broken is Star Citizen?

Short version, things aren't great right now. I'm still hopeful they get better. With major patches just around the corner, maybe everything will change, however in my opinion Alpha 3.23.1 and 3.24 represent a step backwards in playability, not forwards.
I’ve been here for a long time, and I’m usually the person saying “this is Alpha, let it cook.” This is just the first patch cycle that I’ve lost a chunk of hope, and this video is more to just get stuff off of my chest to my small following.
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[@qutatron]

Yesterday I got into my Cutty Red to collect some gasping weevil eggs and maze from the bunker contract. I flew to the bunker, parked nearby, got into the STV, drove to the bunker, destroyed the turrets with a railgun, went back to get the ship, parked it at the entrance to the building, went down and after a rather demanding fight I noticed that the drugs had not spawned at all in object. Waste of time. So I got on the ship, packed it in a safe place, logged out to take a similar contract again and try again. This time, after reaching the destination and trying to get out of the cutlass, my STV exploded and the character's body disappeared along with all the equipment and the expensive railgun. However, I managed to destroy the turret using Cutty Red, parked, and this time the drugs were already in the bunker. Good thing I took a spare multitool with me. After almost 3 hours and many deaths, I collected several dozen packages of drugs and went to sell them. Near the scrapyard I met a patrol who wanted to scan my ship, I gained a crime stat, which automatically canceled my mission, and all the drugs simply disappeared from the hold. I was left with nothing. It's just a tragedy how many missions have been broken since 3.23. there is nothing to do in the game.

[@BVLDERDVSH]

That sucks man. I honestly believe it’ll get better, but it’s not great this patch.

[@qutatron]

@@BVLDERDVSH I miss 3.22. And I hope in 3.24 missions and inventory system will be fixed. We shall see in PTU.

[@realtimbotube]

@@qutatron It's went straight downhill since 3.15, and I know it's going to continue in the downward direction. An unfortunate realization that will hit the entire community Q1 of 2025. Just don't give them anymore money.

[@btr003]

@@realtimbotube nah, 3.14 killed it. 3.13 was the best patch ever.

[@hal64738]

I do similar loops (bunker drug mission and selling them) and experienced similar wtfness. Even use the same ship, the cutty red because that way i can do more than one bunker one after one and curing me etc.

[@christiankirkenes5922]

I think CIG doesn't realise: I'm a starship captain. Not a forklift operator. Even in the real world, I got someone else to load vehicles

[@Plexiei]

mybe u hire some to do it ;)

[@TrueJacket]

with the next update you'll have the option to have it auto load things into your ship for exchange of some time

[@fmartingorb]

The single player perspective will fade away. There are people who enjoy loading ships. That is an opportunity for a service and will become a profession. So you will be a captain, but other will be loading ships.

[@christiankirkenes5922]

@TrueJacket yeah and it will take longer than real life. CIG are making changes that are actively discouraging game play.

[@fmartingorb]

@@christiankirkenes5922 it is clear you have not put a container together and then load the ship with them

[@thommyqc]

I totally agree with you. I love the immersion of the game but at a certain extent. Now as I can see from you guy's Evocati testing 3.24 it's not going to be a fun game anymore. I'm a casual player that do not have a lot of time to play, so having to spend a hour getting ready to go on a mission is game breaking for me. Keep up the great work mate.

[@ChristoffRevan]

Then this game isn't for you. Go play Fortnite

[@adamu6941]

​@@ChristoffRevanidiot comment, fanboy

[@thommyqc]

@@ChristoffRevan haha 😅 oh geez sorry for having an opinion. I'm not a CIG shill. Copium much.

[@ChristoffRevan]

@@thommyqc The thing is, the game was always being built as a life sim MMO in a scifi galaxy. So, it is on YOU for not having done your research; trying to demand CIG to cater to your ultra casual mindset is pure entitlement. I'm not a shill, I'm just someone who actually did their research and knows the game I pledged for...as should any responsible adult when they put money for something

[@thommyqc]

@@ChristoffRevan I totally understand your point. I have been a backer since 2016, so yeah I know what I've pledge for. The thing is even the new inventory system is a kind of "magic drawer inventory spawner" and it is still a game. Yeah it is a Sim space MMO, set in a future that is suppose to be a cross between "Star Wars" and "the Expanse". But in the end it is a game. But are the drawer spawning inventories more like a "Star Treck" kind of replicator then?

[@Scott-ze5yr]

There is a bug where you have no pitch and yaw for the prospector with key board and mouse, or sticks. So far not a lot of help from CIG to fix this other than wipe my files and redo all my setting and hot keys. I should just be able to play the game. It takes me almost an hour to get where I need to be, kitted out for what I am going to do. If I am lucky I have two hours to play 3 times a week. But I spend most of my time trying to find a work around or giving up.

[@williamhux4737]

Finally, someone says exactly how many of us feel....thanks!

[@Karackal]

The thing is, SC isn't a study sim either. As long as I can't fly unpowered Keplerian orbits around celestial bodies I'll laugh in the face of everyone who use "realism" to defend any design decision in this game. Currently, SC feels like a tedium simulator: I don't mind running through different stores and clicking a lot of buttons to get geared up. I do mind having it to do all over again each time my spacecraft explodes randomly because the server wasn't feeling well. Doing the same boring thing over and over again, never getting to the good parts isn't a game; it's a day job. And I happen to already have one of these.

[@BVLDERDVSH]

I hear you on that. Realism in some places and sci fi in others is starting to clash.

[@SgtHack802]

Early backer, they are making this game a time sink. General public will never play this game. CIG wants people to buy ships at the website. Not in game. Such a shame…

[@amalekedomite]

They wont reward you with more in-game money for doing the legwork because the whole point of the game is to get you to buy ships, and if you have ingame money you will be less likely to buy ships.

[@antwan1357]

6243 hours space trucking in elite dangerous and listening to star citizen videos.

[@christiankirkenes5922]

How broken is SC? Shit dude how many examples do you want? 😂 I'll get you a list

[@BVLDERDVSH]

This is my list lol

[@christiankirkenes5922]

@BVLDERDVSH I think if you got 5 players together, you could make a list of over 100 things that haven't been fixed in 10 years

[@amalekedomite]

@@christiankirkenes5922 Each of the five players would have a seperate list of 100 with only about 10 or 20 overlapping across all lists.

[@christiankirkenes5922]

@@amalekedomite You're probably right. I'm just sad because I still remember the first time I walked into a hanger, picked up the helmet and put it on, what it felt like to climb into a cockpit without my ladder clipping through my engine. why does it even do that now?

[@durtyred86]

Alot of your complaints are situated around changing things. It's good to voice your opinion obviously but even better to do it in a manner that is heard by the right people. Depending on your chsnnel size and the traction it gets, you might not be heard at all here. Walking in the back of a bakery and complaining that the batter isn't finished is kinda....odd?? It's a testament to how immersed people get though. So much so that they totally forget that this is still Cell form 2 at best lol... We've still got a ways to go. There will be discomfort. And while we'd all like to squeeze our eyes shut and shake our head no, we are STILL testers. There won't be any forced push into the realm of "this is a live service game and we need this and that now"... Well....No... Not really. The shaping of a game of this magnitude will most definitely come with it's ups and downs... For ALL players.. Be it industrial, solo play, or piracy. Each area will be visited and revisited several times. Quality of life changes will happen for the better, and in some cases for the worse... Server stability will be amazing, then drop off again. This is all part of the process. This is the back of the kitchen... Not the air conditioned guest seating area. It gets hot and hectic back here. Everyone won't be able to handle it. But many will get lost in the pleasant taste tests and quickly forget where they are... Then get mad when they are shoved a bowl of unmixed batter and told to get to work....To test.... We are still here to test. Not to just play and have "fun" until we aren't anymore, then stupidly scream; THIS GAME SUCKS!!!.... Put your back into that mixing bowl my guy... The naysayers are in the front waiting on their cake ffs. Gotta be ready for the opening hour...Now f*cking mix. 😂😅

[@BVLDERDVSH]

Haha all valid points. I do love the game, and have been here awhile. I’m also usually the one saying “it’s alpha, let it cook.” This is the first patch cycle that I’ve lost a chunk of hope, and the video was more to just get stuff off of my chest to my small following. There has been some hate for sure, but I’m an adult, I’ll be fine. I appreciate the response!

[@sbmartinbergeron396]

Same here. I have way too many ships ingame but not playing anymore. From 50 hrs per week to barely 3 hrs. They sabotaged their own wannabe game, how lame is that!!??

[@BVLDERDVSH]

We can still hope.

[@brianfisher7385]

The game is becoming hyper tedious instead of hyper fun. My issue is the ridiculous amount of bugs. I literally can't get through a single mission without the game fundamentally breaking. EVERYTHING I do in this game is a chore. I'm not having fun anymore and they are intent on making it worse with all the tedium. It takes 10 to 20 minutes just to get going due to the massive amount of running around and travel you have to do before you can even get to your ship. I almost punched my monitor today because of this game.

[@lvjetboy2908]

Yes, now 15-20 minutes I get a CTD. Didn't happen before, now does all the time!

[@rybuds47]

Im ok with hyper realism but throwing an arcade flight model in there with arbitrary speed limits makes me go play DCS instead.

[@BVLDERDVSH]

I’m sticking it out, but I 100% feel your pain.

[@ShigueS]

Don't understand why you are getting so much hate. I find your perspective very reasonable and I agree that SC shouldn't "waste our time" with mundane tasks that are cool when done sometimes, but cant get really tedious when constantly repeated.

[@BVLDERDVSH]

People are passionate and feel the need to argue with opinions haha, it’s all good they can comment whatever they like. I know most people are (like you) feeling the same way.

[@j.d.4697]

I think master modes are meh, but that's how I felt about the previous flight model too, so it's not saying much. Maybe the problem is less the flight model and more that they need to find a way to stick with it and refine it, but obviously that only works when you are passionate about something, which they seem to be about master modes and that's what's giving me at least some hope they will turn this weird system into something nice.

[@jasonsolano8337]

I'm in the same boat as you. I play a ton of hours and I have put more money into the game than I would like to admit. I have never been down on the game at all until now. I agree with you on all points here. Besides everything you have mentioned here. I'm also blowing up randomly sometimes 2 or 3 times an hour. I hope to start seeing a silver lining soon.

[@fmartingorb]

TL;DR Your feedback is appreciated by us the backers and CIG. I would sound less emotional and pessimistic and more objective. Try to be less emotional about it and provide specific fact for your claims instead of generalising. You will be more effective communicating your view of the problem and suggesting solution. What we play now is not Star Citizen. I remember when we went from 2.6 to 3.0 a lot of people left the game, but then many people came into the game too. The vision for SC is physicalisation and task specialisation. This means engineering, cargo, RRR. For example in RRR you are going to see drones and people doing this work. But, this has not been fleshed put or we do not have ships for it like the Vulkan, the Crucible, the Idris or the Kraken. Those ships will enable that gameplay. Same with data blades and info running and scanning. Change is a bitch. More so when you get used to a set of patches over several years and tasks that were "automatic" now they become complex, for some more cumbersome. In some cases NPCs will do the work, in other players will charge for the service. Loading a Hull C will be physicalised, too. UX and interfaces with the game. We have 5 million + accounts. I think we are about 2 million players, with about 200000 being active on and off. On the UX side I think that mouse and keyboard are not a suitable interface. It is cumbersome to use. Joysticks and and HOTAS is better for flying. Regular console controls are OK for FPS. There are other solutions for keybindings like Gameglass and launch pads. This is a high area of investment in Periferals. How is CIG resolving this, they are trying to solve this problem with inner though and physicalising interactions within the game. This will be important when VR is implemented. Last. I try to moderately play SC, once a month or once a week. The game we have now is a training ground and the way they release patches helps "learning by blocks". The problem we encounter now is that this patch has more changes than usual because they are bringing in years of development in SQ42 in a few months. And the learning curve is hockey sticking. Last-last. There is always a pattern of behaviour from backers every year. Citcon hype, Christmas fun, and then from January to the next Citcon there is an increasing level of complaining about everything. It is Summer, we are approaching the stagnation of info and the release of a middle of the road patch until Citcon. And the game will change more. This is a game that will focus on specialisation and that will make it hard to be a jack of all trades.

[@JayjiNZ]

MM absolutely ruined the game. Feel exactly the same. All the joy of flight is gone. How could they ruin the one thing SC always had going for it.

[@BVLDERDVSH]

Here’s hoping they listen and scale some of it back. It is, after all, alpha stage. Choosing to have hope despite my frustrations.

[@JayjiNZ]

@@BVLDERDVSH if they don’t it’s just pure ego or they don’t care about their customers. The anti MM feedback has been overwhelming.

[@Kyle-sr6jm]

Chris Roberts is squarely to blame for this absolute shite. MM is dumbed down play to make him happy.

[@jamieford9391]

Yeeted out of the Carrack in quantum. Killed by an Ursa door. Landed a half full reclaimer in Lorville and a graphic glitch blew me up. Its never been like this before...

[@Marek-w8w]

In pas it was very fun for me to fly now its like jellyfish not fun at all. They broke graphic too if you dont have Nvidia gpu with dlls (that works as a bandite/ blur firter in current form) farther object looks horrible compared to pre-master modes very good clarity and beater preformance atleast on my AMD gpu. I cannot recommend this game to other people in current form anymore its way too buggy too.

[@BVLDERDVSH]

Same page. Let’s hope for the best but it’s in a rough place.

[@Cyberdemon-9001]

So, I bought this game, 2016-17?? I only began playing like 2 weeks ago. I am having a ok time, soooo many bugs. It breaks both realism and immersion. But, I only started doing actual space combat as of late, used a aurora, upgraded to a titan. Not gunna lie, game feels like shit. I am a elite dangerous enjoyed. I prefer that over this one. I like how close range dogfight are. 300 meters is a great place, but man, ships feel shitty. Maybe I need something better? Idk, any fighter recommendations? The titan is cool, I like flying and dogfighting, but man. It feels like moving through syrup, with random bouts of acceleration.

[@hal64738]

Some things you said i agree 100%, some not, for sure it's becoming an huge time sink and if they are going to remove inventory with 'I' i think it's gonna be a mess because right now containers which should replace inventory (small containers you put in ships) don't work at all but my biggest fear is the bugs. I know it's an alpha but it's really buggy now really really buggy, very annoying. 3.22x was very good and all the big changes in 3.24 makes me wonder a lot about stability. Some features introduced in 3.23 don't even work right now. Combine ammo? Reload from backpack? Im using C54 and A03 and they never work, and even worse when the character tries to load from backpack and i put ammo on the character to load from armour it's stuck for like 5-7 times (while i get shot). Lately i've been killed three times in bunkers because of infinite spawn which i like but i was killed because i couldn't swutch back from pyro tool to my weapons.... Today i tried three servers and it was a huge mess, pressing 1 for main weapon and it dropped the weapon! I went to pick it up again and i couldn't and then the weapon disappeared on a elevator! WTF... So annoying. At the end before changing server again i lost all my items the ones i had on my character and it the items i had on me were the ones of an NPC! The whole inventory swapped! WTF never happened to me before. A friggin mess!

[@BC-kx2gx]

I totally agree with you!! I have done some searches regarding how SC is becoming difficult to play precisely because of what you describe. I also play the game a lot and pledge years ago. I am truly concerned with the direction. I also feel that even though it is in alpha CIG shows a lack of respect for the people braving this alpha version pledging money and also our "valuable" time. I am also concerned with the quality of programing, lack of polish, functionality, etc. Poor programing propagates to the future making development much more cumbersome and can exponentially increase the number of "glitches" and "bugs". It seems as though obstacles are placed within the game decreasing the quality of play. Currently when I log on if it begins to feel that my time is being wasted by poor functionality, I quickly loose interest and log off.

[@skitch8616]

Bro the it's an alpha can only be a legitimate excuse for so long you guys need to quit giving them the credit because they don't deserve it they keep saying that they're coming out with tech that's never been done before which is an absolute lie just for an example server meshing, there are hundreds of other games that have server meshing that works absolutely fine but somehow cig just their the only ones that know how to do it or the only ones that have tried to implement it, no I don't think so they are scamming the f*** out of you guys. And not just you me as well I bought into it maybe 4 years ago and have spent over $2,000 on jpegs I'm getting at the jpegs how long is there back order list how many ships are still on there that haven't been made yet or even white boxed. Stop giving them credit where credit is not due, they are not a good company and they are scamming you guys they are using you to test an engine mod

[@BVLDERDVSH]

Which other games should I look at that have server meshing?

[@skitch8616]

@@BVLDERDVSH just of the top of my head DCS, Atlas, AoC... I think Mortal Online 2 might also but I'm not 100% sure on that one but if you use Google to look for more you'll find them. It's not "New Tech" just new to them. Lots of MMOs use server meshing.

[@skitch8616]

@@BVLDERDVSH "What they showed was something being run on a local machine. When this stuff is actually implemented and functioning for players across datacenters where you have all sorts of latency to deal with, it might be worth getting excited. Unfortunately this is CIG to the bone, showcase stuff that does not truly exist and hype the hell out of what might be possible one day. Other companies have done stuff like this before, Nova Quark were doing this 7 years ago kzbin.info/www/bejne/h5a9paSlrsmLpsU " Also wow has been using it for a while as well as AOC and Atlas and quite a few others it's just new to them that's why they say it's a new tech but it's been around for years

[@skitch8616]

Hey I'm not sure what's happening and I keep replying but all of a sudden my replies keep getting deleted so I don't know how to answer you man

[@sebastianc9716]

Meanwhile devs: How inconvenient can we make it to make as many people to leave so we can keep server costs low while the whales still bankroll our rediculous salaries?

[@BVLDERDVSH]

I don’t know their salaries so I can’t comment on that, but I share the frustration with the current state.

[@lvjetboy2908]

I'm no whale but over time (2015) I've invest 1k and now this game is BROKEN! Multiple CTD's, ridiculous! CIG customer service is horrible.

[@sebastianc9716]

@@BVLDERDVSH If one doesn't do what they are paid for any salary is rediculous

[@bobabo229]

What can I say … This is my dream game if this game can pass beta! Problems are they improving so slow and way too focus on making new ships instead of fixing old problems! There are no one out there make something like this which players can fully exploration space like a space cowboy! I love this game but also hate it when it breaks. What can we do … there are no other options! 😢😅

[@TikoPiko]

The endless keybinds, man. I am so not down with that. SC was always super janky and it is getting jankier with these changes. ArmA in space … which is not ideal.

[@Asas_TV]

The game can be complicated but it never should be tedious to do things. The game is already tedious is some areas, so i personally don't get why they're making cargo even more tedious than it already is.

[@hix420]

How broken? YES.

[@Slay0lot]

Beautiful looking game but unplayable. I want it to succeed, but so many elements in it take way to long. Even food and drink such a pain.

[@AthosRac]

The worse part is getting rid of Inventory. People are not realizing how bad that is.

[@FuriousImp]

Casual? 5 - 7 days a week isn't casual...

[@BVLDERDVSH]

I should have been more clear. I’m concerned for the casual player, as someone who is more invested. If I find things are tedious or take longer now, I can only imagine how the average, casual player will feel.

[@marteronde]

Like if you are in the middle of the Atlantic ocean. Just staying afloat with little to no direction of where to go.

[@takealready]

We are not the only ones feeling this way. I agree with you. But how many more people need to feel like us until Chris Roberts decides to let his vision of having everything physicalized die?

[@BVLDERDVSH]

We can only hope there’s a plan and this all ends up making sense.

[@Uzidoorman2025]

Extremely broken

[@BVLDERDVSH]

Fingers crossed it improves soon.

[@sephiridan5279]

Thank you so much for this video! You've done a great job of explaining exactly what I've been feeling and trying to explain to some of my SC friends myself. Very much in agreement with what you've said about realism vs. immersion!

[@BVLDERDVSH]

Appreciate it. I still love the game, I’m hopeful, but the past few patches have me feeling dejected.

[@Desenrad]

We need Chris to play his game for 6 hours, then come back to us crying how annoying it is. CIG DO NOT respect our time. It is getting annoying. The generation throwing the most money is also the one who has the least amount of time to play. Although I think the devs working on UI and interaction share the frustration and are working on getting us fast interactions. Let’s just hope Chris allows the devs to fix the game. He has a bad reputation of not giving a fuck about our opinions.

[@BVLDERDVSH]

This right here. The team at CIG are working hard. It seems more like mismanagement to me.

[@apr6337]

Wait till engineering comes in. Then it’s going to be ridiculous

[@caldark2005]

Just wait for the new amazing time waste on an inventory system..

[@lvjetboy2908]

On balancing the economy, I was only 4 mil short of an 890 when the cost was 32 mil (build 3.22)...long hours of grinding. Then they wiped (3.23), took all my aUEC and gave me 15k, and increased the 890 price to 65 mill! And to top that off, broke the mining loop making it difficult to earn back.. Mining turrets don't work, pip alignment problem, endless CTD's, etc.

[@BVLDERDVSH]

I’m torn. I’m all for capital ships being more expensive. If you can earn a capital in less than 6 months of play, I feel like that’s broken. However, the economy in general feels massively imbalanced and I hope the upcoming changes fix that.

[@RN1441]

I'm glad you used the word 'cumbersome' as that's the perfect description of the UI and design of much of the physicalized stuff so far. It's not a problem that it's 'immersive' it's not a problem that it's 'complex', it's a problem that it's slow and fiddly to use and often makes zero sense. For example, why must we go through so many steps to drink some water? Like in what way does it improve the experience to have six or seven steps to drink and discard a bottle of water and is implemented in a way that breaks if you're SITTING IN A PILOT SEAT!? I think it's unlikely at this point that they're going to shift direction so I'm also asking myself if this is going to be a game I want to play much even once it gets out of alpha. The direction they're going will instead probably soon require us to play a minigame to unscrew the cap on the Cruz or pop the tab on the can before we can drink it and still won't work if you're piloting something.

[@BVLDERDVSH]

I feel the same. Many people commenting seem to think I’m hating on the game and I’m trying to be very clear. I love this game and what it could be. I just feel, like you, that the current direction toward full physicalisation is too far and too cumbersome. Take it to the point of realism, then dial it back to fun.

[@MotherNature26]

unfortunately game development for SC is not balanced. We want to play a balanced game, but when a new system comes online to test, they need to put it in. This iterative process of adding things in will break in game balances, feel etc. We have to be patient for them to get all the systems in, where they can then perform the final balances. Videos like this are good, they can watch and take that feedback.

[@BVLDERDVSH]

I hope things do change, I’ve been through many bad patches, I’m just more concerned lately than usual.

[@brewenshaw7501]

I am a casual player. I might get an hour or occasionally two in a few nights a week. I am also a fairly large backer. However, I was backing the dream and now I see the dream they want and what I thought they wanted are feeling more and more distant from one another. I fear I’ll be spending my game time prepping for a job I will have to do in a few days when I find time to log in again. Of course when I log back in, org members will need help and I’ll spend my night changing things out to help them and never get to it.

[@BVLDERDVSH]

I’m holding out hope, but I feel similar. A lot of people seem ok with the direction, but I’m concerned.

[@sgknies]

Candid, balanced and not heavy-handed on opinions. Disregard the shills. You know you've hit a nerve when they attempt to ratio your vid into oblivion. Keep up the good work sir. o7

[@BVLDERDVSH]

Haha thanks. On one hand, everyone's opinion is valid. I appreciate the responses. On the other hand, negative comments still boost a video in the algorithm. While most comments have been positive, and the LIKES still outweigh the DISLIKES, I still did not expect this little video that I shot mainly for my own crew to be shared this much. Learning quickly why so many of the massive content creators film mostly negative takes: they're easier to farm engagement from. My next one will be positive lol.

[@tyandy1424]

Yea... Look at Ashes of Creation; they have working server meshing with a fraction of the income. Star Citizen needs to come back to reality.

[@BVLDERDVSH]

To be fair, AoC isn't as large or as physicalized. Not saying that's a bad thing, but the tech is different. If your point is that CIG need to be realistic about what is possible, I agree, but I don't think the two games are comparable.

[@cyberrascal]

Hi ya. To be honest I think that you have voiced most of the things that most of the community are feeling and thinking at the moment. Personally I couldn't agree with you more. Since the the latest patch dropped from the start I have been noticing way more issues than the previous version. Things are just broken all over the place and things that have been broken for ages have still not been fixed and so many of those issues arent even that big but are often very annoying. I have been finding it quite difficult to get motivated to play at all with the way things are and i have also noticed that so many SC content creators are currently making content for other games while SC is in its current state. Normally I'm all over jumptown but since they nerfed the value of maze I have found its just not worth the stress and the grind. God forbid you should go there and dare to shoot at anyone. this usually just results in making other players cry or at best you just leave with a crimestat. I'm not even sure what jumptown is supposed to be anymore. Everyone seems to just want it to be empty so they can fill their boots and get free cash and that's pretty much all it is these days. The previous jumptown was pretty empty most of the time and I cant for the life of me understand how nerfing the value of the maze helps with that when everything else has stayed pretty much the same. There were times where I spent hours stacking and loading maze without seeing a single person. Yeah it was nice to get some easy money to buy some more ships to test out but in the end i just gave up out of sheer boredom. There needs to be some more interesting mechanics and incentives that give this event the identity it sorely needs. Master modes is just boring and the new weapon stats are completely illogical. The most satisfying guns to use in the game have been nerfed into oblivion. I mean who doesn't love the the brrrr of a ballistic repeater or a gatling? It was bad enough that we had such limited ammo before the nerf and now we still have really limited ammo and the guns are now ineffective. How do u get to a conclusion where this is a solution or even a temp solution? I used to enjoy the salvaging mechanic before that got destroyed. It been a bit better since xenothreat ended as i discovered there are still lots of dead ships at the wreck site that i can salvage so i have been doing a bit of that to keep my wallet happy. In terms of really small changes that could have been made while they were changing the in game pricing would have been to increase the value of salvaged weapons and system components to make it more of a worthwhile venture. this would have been very easy for them to do. and lastly its bloody annoying to lose ships for no reason that i have grafted to get for no reason every time there is a new patch. I lost a Cutlass Black, a Hurricane and my beloved Valkyrie in the last one and now that a valk is nearly 20 mil to buy again its just not worth it. There isn't even any justification to make that ship that expensive given it doesn't really offer much more value than a cutlass just without the pilot fire power that the cutlass has. at least the prowler has some decent firepower and as much as I hate it so does the cutlass silver. It should have at least 4 size 3 pilot controlled guns if they are gonna ask such silly money for it. Even when they upgraded the size of the weapons on all ships they gave it stock size 3 laser repeaters but the punchline was that you can only swap them out for size 2 guns and if you do that u cant go back to the size 3 repeaters again and are stuck with size 2s. I mean who is checking this stuff? Stevie Wonder. Even in spite if all that i still love the thought of what it could be . Its still a damn cool looking ship. Sorry but I needed that valk rant. While there are many things that I am looking forward to in 3.24 like the cargo updates and hangars there are some major concerns about the item banks. This is looking like its going to be a major cluster f!!k. Like it doesn't already take long enough to get ready to do missions. I can see people bypassing this completely with storage crates in their hangars which we still cant get them to put labels on. As a placeholder they could colour code them which would have been easy given that they have just updated the look of all of them. Sometimes I feel like I'm being railroaded into doing things they way that cig wants us to play the game even though some of their ideologies are going completely against the grain of what the majority of the community not only wants but also needs. On a positive I have found that the game has been more playable in terms of some of the bugs and not having to deal with the constant 30k dramas has been a bonus but there are times when its completely unplayable. The ship expo was pretty much stop motion at best a lot of the time and this is an event that you want streamers to be able to cover so to have it being that broken was a real shame. These things feed the bad publicity and stops people from wanting to try the game. I hate to think how many people came in for the free fly to experience a 5 fps ship expo which would have been their 1st chance to see all the ships for the 1st time. That being said I do love this game and its still my favourite game of all time when it works. I just wish they would get their shit together and stop making stupid decisions. I just find it frustrating to see them get some things so right to then have something stupid go and ruin it. Mega rant over!

[@OrvilleX]

The game have a steep learning curve and like you said more key binds and more and more complication, damn is a game. I understand inmersión but complication is just too much and unnecessary. It’s going to keep a lot of people out of the game in my humble opinion. 3.24 it’s going to get worse and CIG is not getting it or just lost direction. I personally don’t have a lot of time due to having a full time job like a normal guy but now takes too much time to prepare and it’s going to get worst on 3.24. Ohh well I hope there is a plan for all casual gamers.

[@alaskan_bigfoot9090]

As someone who has a $45 starter pledge and a mustang alpha I dont even see a point in getting on anymore, grind broken missions to try to get a new ship just to see a wipe on a big update. It doesent feel like they actually want me to test the game at this point, because it really just isnt accessible to anyone who doesent throw a credit card at a ship to unlock it from the store.

[@BVLDERDVSH]

So, I’m torn here. On one hand, a lot is broken. I feel for both of us there. On the other hand you do not need to pledge ships to enjoy the game. They haven’t wiped in game bought ships in almost 2 years. An example would be: play for a week, earn a vulture. Use that vulture to earn a constellation, etc. If you play more casually, join a larger crew and make money on their bigger ships. I’m often looking for Reclaimer and Corsair crew!

[@bschannel5236]

100 percent agree with your video btw

[@romariogee]

Thnx pal for this. As any Elite Dangerous player I keep wondering about SC. Sure it looks pretty but if it's broken then what's the point. As someone who only has limited time to play I just can't bare it to be wasted. In my 900 hours trough the years and years in ED I had maybe 5 bugs😂

[@BVLDERDVSH]

My recommendation is to wait for a free fly event and try the game for free for a week. As an alpha it is extremely buggy, but it does have amazing moments that make it stand out from elite. The next free event is likely late October. If you decide to sign up for the game, you could even use my referral code and think about joining our squad. Lots of elite veterans.

[@romariogee]

@@BVLDERDVSH Thnx again. I have tried to join that free fly. But could not make the game work and no amount of trouble shooting helped (it was something on their end and a known issue). I was amazed by the incompetence and just decided to save my sanity😁

[@lvjetboy2908]

Broken for me. 3.23.x ruined it. I can't complete one mining game loop w/o crash to desktop and Mole claim, all ore lost. Doesn't matter the server or time of day. I submitted a ticket, gave them my game.log file but they ignored, just marked it solved with no solution and said take it up with the issue council. So I submitted to issue, but there's little chance enough people will see and it'll be archived. Thing is, I've played this since 2015, have invested over $1,000 and this is all I get. At lease it worked before somewhat but now is totally broken!

[@BVLDERDVSH]

What we’ve learned here is never spend $1000 on a video game!

[@lvjetboy2908]

@@BVLDERDVSH BTW, excellent video and you made some really inciteful comments. Good job, hope CIG pays attention.

[@lucienlachence]

There are many other ways to earn money still a lot of grind like i did this 2 weeks at DC looting all the npc into local inventory and then sell all at cargo centre for 700k

[@BVLDERDVSH]

Definitely works for now. With 3.24 though, local inventory is gone, which is one of my concerns here. Definitely ways to make money, I made a few million last week, just concerned with the direction.

[@shrillyvr3270]

the shields are in a poor state as well. They nerfed shields to make ballistics viable for their low ammo, while giving ship hp 50% resistance (idk why this was a good idea but it worked out back then), then they buffed ballistic ammo capacity. so now shields are fucking useless. if you run into a pvp fighter, 9/10 it will be loaded with deadbolts. which will tear you apart. Honestly a good solution would be making better shields having better ballistic protection absorption or something, a fighter with deadbolts can do somuch damage now, iirc my F7 had 1.7 mil damage or something in total ammo with all deadbolt loadout (i used it for bounties to try to have fun in something smaller then my corsair). even if a ship can absorb 50% damage, thats not much. Bigger ships shouldnt be able to die as easily to a small craft that quickly. Even hammerheads are useless at that point enless they can cripple the fighter quickly enough. I been trying to avoid pvp at this point cause of the unbalanced state. i was happy for ballistic buff, but didnt realize it would break things with current state of everything else

[@BVLDERDVSH]

Agreed.

[@shrillyvr3270]

@@BVLDERDVSH fun fact btw, did you know that the prowler had special shields with 100% absorption? the sukorons were unique for that and i always put them on my constellation andromeda back when connies ran size 2 shields

[@eoconnor2000]

I totally agree with you, sometimes more does not always mean better. I find myself having less fun now than last year this time. It is at the point that the excitement is dead. Citizencon teased a lot of items but many of these items do not work and CIG is working through them. The question is do these additional items add fun to the game. I believe they add a level of tediousness. I love SC and the immersion it brings but the cost of that immersion is getting higher. Many times, I just rage quit SC because of bugs or tediousness and play Elite (without ship interiors) because it is fun and it works. I do not physically have to load my cargo or worry about food and drink and I am okay with that because the emphasize is on flying my spaceship. I believe CIG loves the technological challenge of adding items more than whether these items add to the fun factor. Most content creators no longer show anything fun only the promise of the new technology. Their background videos are no longer their gameplay but stock video from CitizenCon. This says a lot. On the sim part. I am an avid DCS player and a sim tends to try to duplicate reality but even DCS realizes it is a game. I can learn to go through 10 steps to startup my plane or I can bind one button and have the startup automatic. The game is extremely skill based so you need to learn dogfighting tactics to go up against real and AI players but this does not prevent the game from introducing items to reduce tediousness and time sinks. At present 3.23 is hard to play. I am really not looking forward to 3.24. At the end of the day this is an alpha and we are unpaid alpha testers. It is only a problem when we unpaid alpha testers try to convince ourselves we are playing a game to justify our investment of time and money.

[@BVLDERDVSH]

It does sometimes feel like it's being done purely because they "can" not because it matters. I love the game. I'm still here. I'm just... frustrated with the scope creep making gameplay worse, not better. We don't need to physically place each bottle of water.

[@eoconnor2000]

@@BVLDERDVSHhave you tried Elite Dangerous - if so enjoy that while CIG figures things out. They need to decide whether they are creating this game for fun or a technological marvel . Most of us don’t care about the technology if the fun is not there. I am loving the Thargoid war content in ED .

[@citizen_cheeseman]

I had an entire paragraph typed out in response, but getting frustrated and venting about the way CIG does things is why I stopped playing recently, so I'll just say thanks :)

[@ScarredCitizen]

I've been feeling this way for a long time. Finally, I had my own meltdown the other day.

[@zedorda1337]

The costs related to playing Star Citizen should deliver a premium experience.

[@adamu6941]

I feel the same, and didnt test the 3 24.... all those bugs, desyncs, lags.... i play from the beginin of SC and made lot of pauses, thinking "let wait a bit, time they work on things...' come back 6 months later, enjoy few days and close it again... for months again.

[@BVLDERDVSH]

Might be time for a break. Fingers crossed on your next try!

[@adamu6941]

@@BVLDERDVSH i think all those bugs are due to the bad servers performances, they would priorize this meshing tech asap, else all they will do will bug due to bad communications local 《》 client. I well know that im Web developer

[@lvjetboy2908]

@@adamu6941 Interesting how server performance wasn't such a HUGE issue until 3.23.x Now it's TERRIBLE! Clearly if it's just bad server performance, then what caused the servers to be worse now than they were before? Bugs are one thing, but crashing to desktop nonstop is entirely another. It's bad now, unplayable unless you're just flying around and doing nothing intensive.

[@adamu6941]

@lvjetboy2908 before, when server crashed or had too bad performance , you had à 30k error as à 404 error on Web apps, now theres a replication llayer that try to not crash ur local client ... all those things are still not well implemanted imo, thats all

[@K1nsal]

motherfucking game is broken beyond belief right now this is one of the worst patches in SC history and reminds me why I dont go to citcon. After 7k irl cash given to this game Im basically out now I lost all faith in this team and the only way to show them that they need to start caring bouts us pleb backers is to stop buying thier shit.

[@BVLDERDVSH]

I feel the frustration, obviously I’m frustrated too (hence the video), but I’m getting a bit tired of people quoting what they have spent. If you spent $7000 on video game ships that’s sort of on you.

[@dtm4trix]

I agree with you about the cargo loading. 3 hours or whatever to load my ship is super stupid? What am I supposed to do in that 3 hour period? I get to play on my days off for a couple of hours a couple of days a week. I think this is a terrible idea. How long would take a person to load 596 SCU of cargo? Especially with the way the tractor beams act. Then you're also gonna be vulnerable to pirates when they see some mook loading his ship....they just have to wait, call all their buddies and blow your shit up the minute you leave the safe zone.

[@BVLDERDVSH]

I agree. I love and support many aspects of this game, but the first iterations of physical cargo, cargo timers, and physical loot are terrible. No sugar coating. No shilling. Just.. bad. I'm hopeful that they listen and scale it back, but these decisions have me scratching my head.

[@morgorrethterrayzen3295]

I like the game and I also said that the payouts were very high and would be lowered and the ships were way under priced. current price for a f18 is 18 mil and you think a connie is over priced

[@BVLDERDVSH]

I think ship prices going up is fine, but missions rewards and time to complete and massively imbalanced. Hoping this gets better in future.

[@Fixed_d]

700 million dollars, and they have toy servers, lots of bugs, and nothing concrete. But, why people is still buying ships of $2000 even when they have nothing concrete, and lots of problems unresolved?. I know people can do whatever they want with their money, but why keep spending money in a game that "maybe" will never be finished?. Tarkov had a problem months ago, and the community stop them. They almost demand them. Why the community here is not searching for answers, or at least, to resolve the problems that the game has now. People that dont play the game feels like this is a scam. How new payers will keep playing this game if they feel they are getting scammed. It's a beautiful game, wth a shinny future but developers still not showing nothing concrete. Now they are going to merge servers, and how will do that if in a server, that is for 100 people, the server crash with 50 people.? We have more questions than answers, and developers they laugh on our faces why we still buy $2000 ships. I think it's the time to look those answers with more strength.

[@BVLDERDVSH]

I agree to an extent. While people can indeed spend their money on whatever they want, I often recommend NEW people to hold off. I have seen to many of them spend $1000 thinking they are paying to win, only to have bugs prevent them from playing while others just earn the ships for free in game and enjoy it a lot more because it cost them less. We definitely should speak with our wallets. I support CIG as a company, I think they are trying hard, but we need to show them that if a patch is bad, profits will be too.

[@thori4788]

I play this game for 8 years now. What Iearned is endless patiense.😂

[@rockon88888888]

I agree with everything you said. It's almost like they're stalling us because they're falling behind schedule with development. I always fall back to my time in Star Wars Galaxies (before the combat upgrade), and how they really made an immersive game for me and the majority of players. CIG should take notes on that. Changing the flight model every other update is counter-productive as well. If they want to make their game realistic, hire a physicist and code for real physics. The players can figure it out how they want to play it. As it stands now, the game is at the point (for me) where it is too cumbersome and buggy for me to effectively play test this project.

[@BVLDERDVSH]

I'm not quite at that point yet, but I get it. I do still love the game, but even smaller content creators need to just SAY something so they know we aren't happy with the direction. Some people commenting ARE happy, and aren't a fan of our opinion here, but it still needs to be heard.

[@scalibur56]

absolutely right about everything

[@BVLDERDVSH]

I had to be right at least once lol

[@quin6135]

It’s felt to me for awhile that CimIG don’t respect player time… in each activity and in patch to patch “testing”

[@BVLDERDVSH]

Might be time to take a break and come back with 1.0

[@Kyle-sr6jm]

I haven't done more than update and log to pull a ship, then shut it down for nearly 2 years now. MM was a nail in the coffin for me, but the game was dead before that.

[@kVidStream]

What GPU are you using?

[@BVLDERDVSH]

I’m on a 3070ti.

[@ro-mon_gerrs_u-tube1944]

Your words ring true. I feel they (CIG) are putting they hopes on server messing... since my days of 3.8 the back end has Always been Slow & Laggy. Historically, There have been good patches & there have be bad ones. Sadly, my biggest problem is in how "Bugs" are reported & logged. Patch after patch tons of the same bugs comes back to life. But because it's a new patch the old reports are Closed so new reports have to be opened leading to Bloat! "Insanity: Doing the same thing over & over and expecting a different result" Guess we're all insane. LoL 🤣🤯

[@BVLDERDVSH]

You said it. The last few patches before this cycle were very playable in my opinion and I had a great time with my crew. This is the first cycle in while that I am so frustrated it has led to a video like this.

[@bschannel5236]

bro... I cant even get the jump points to work 60 percent of the time. I have to alt N 10x to open the gd station doors.

[@BVLDERDVSH]

You mean the stations? I recommend re binding to something else. I never have that issue with a single key bind. Hope that helps.

[@GTOOtt]

5:52 But they are.

[@BVLDERDVSH]

I don't agree, obviously, but I appreciate your opinion.

[@dog-tm6ru]

cool paint

[@BVLDERDVSH]

The new sub paint! Yes, I like it. I hope we have more like this in the future, maybe graffiti on black paint. Gives me Serenity vibes. Very lived-in.

[@VoidingNixx]

Nice video, but I doubt CIG cares. I commented on CIG's forums at the start of 3.23 that the game seemed to be getting worse with some of the most recent patches. Their answer was a suspension on their forums. I have given up on that company and see them in the same light as EA now. They're playing the $$$ game. Not the "making a game" game.

[@BVLDERDVSH]

To be fair, they are a company, aiming to make profit. I don’t any ill will toward the people who work there. I think it boils down to, in my opinion, is what appears to be mismanagement.

[@Kyle-sr6jm]

They have burnt through their customer base, now they are looking for another market (China)

[@thecommenter9678]

I'll repeat here what i have said in my own comment and in other videos. Star Citizen is a glorified tech demo. It's not a game, it's a showcase of what CIGs software and tech can DO. The customer is not you, the gamer, it's the other game studios, they will lease these tools out to those studios as their REAL customers. That is the actually financial plan here, probably always was. The players are just the pay pigs who fund their product development, it's just not the product YOU are gonna receive. The game WILL come out, and it will fulfill their legal obligations, but it will NEVER be what they promised, it will never be finished, it will never be a polished experience. Now, i'd love to eat crow, but i don't think i will.

[@j.d.4697]

I am enjoying the game more than ever. But I couldn't play it as rigorously as you, playing any game like that would burn me out and make me want to play something else or stop playing altogether.

[@BassdeDristor]

man, great video with the dot on the i!

[@local-admin]

We hear you bud.

[@joey193650]

I feel it has gotten to where it is less about finishing the game and more about just adding new incomplete features with new ships to bring in more money. I mean look at the MKI Hornet with the black floating screens when the canopy is open. They should and could have fixed that, but no they just made a new one without those screens and sold it like hotcakes. So I figure on a few years we will get a MKIII lol. Better yet we will get a chair made and sell it to you . Those are the type of things that piss me off. I mean why keep adding features and ships when stuff 2,3, or 4 yrs old is still broken or screwed up. As a backer since 2016 and honestly at 50yrs old. I am just adding playing SC as a finished game to my bucket list. lol

[@revengexmoon2087]

They don't care. They just want money. Watch the game Jump Ship for when it comes out.

[@BVLDERDVSH]

I don’t know if that’s fair. Lots of people at CIG do care, and it’s meant to be buggy in alpha. It’s just really hard to play this cycle.

[@thatboy799]

I originally backed this game in 2016, if I remember correctly. None of the missions worked. I played the other day and those same missions still don't work. Almost a decade and these basic missions are still bugged. They don't care about the content in the game

[@AlkaloidMushrooms]

same things i think after 200h plus in this patch... too much... i give up too.. and im a "nerd"... cant say it better..this is a balance for a game whit no constant wipe atm is..a joke...and i was so hype for new distrib center and fps start work...and react...

[@BVLDERDVSH]

Let’s not give up yet. I have concerns, and I’m glad I shared them, but here’s hoping things improve.

[@thecommenter9678]

Star Citizen is a glorified tech demo. It's not a game, it's a showcase of what CIGs software and tech can DO. The customer is not you, the gamer, it's the other game studios, they will lease these tools out to those studios as their REAL customers. That is the actually financial plan here, probably always was. The players are just the pay pigs who fund their product development, it's just not the product YOU are gonna receive. The game WILL come out, and it will fulfill their legal obligations, but it will NEVER be what they promised, it will never be finished, it will never be a polished experience. Now, i'd love to eat crow, but i don't think i will.

[@imriestaffson9592]

just the tip of the iceberg.

[@BVLDERDVSH]

Fair. I was focusing on the most recent issues here, which finally pushed me over the edge a bit.

[@Blade5067]

i dont think CIOG knows how to make a fun game. yes immersive is great, but if its more mundane then life, then fk it im done

[@hwgusn]

I absolutely hate master modes. CIG has completely lost sight of video games being fun and turned it in to a job.

[@KaiCent]

just wait for 3.24. everything will be less fun. i just hope they realise that 3/4 of the players will try it and uninstall the game after some hrs

[@BVLDERDVSH]

That number feels made up, but I do agree that some things (like cargo and looting) are going to become tedious if they don’t scale this back.

[@sennemaa5976]

Agree 👍

[@niklasdahlgren7641]

It's not broken, it's in alpha and lacks a large amount of core mechanics.

[@dronegeeks]

With 700 million raised. releasing £46000 dlc wasnt exactly the move. I think we need to start asking why is this still in Beta its been 9 years ffs

[@BVLDERDVSH]

To be fair, they aren’t DLC; they’re optional pledge packs of things you can buy in game. I’m also frustrated, but buying ships is optional and doesn’t affect gameplay.

[@dronegeeks]

@@BVLDERDVSH no you are correct, it’s technically even worse then DLC as a pledge ends all recourse of getting a refund if go whatever reason they shut up shop. It’s a ridiculous gaming model and I’m sorry to see so much money support it. After 9 years the game is still a laggy mess with missions that don’t work. Then we have the whales who have spent over 25k getting invited to special servers to experiment with ships etc before they even launch. There are no casual players left, no crew. All the time the controls get more complicated and the loot rewards are dropping. New players are not going to want to enter a game environment as it currently sits. I respect your opinion and you make some great points I’m just frustrated with it all tbh.

[@Muggled1990]

@@BVLDERDVSHit’s downloadable content. If you purchase it then it’s in game it’s dlc……

[@JerseyPhenix]

No it's not lol , no additional downloaded or content that isn't already in the game. Just alternate and permanent ownership

[@Muggled1990]

@@JerseyPhenix do you have it in your asop terminal? No? Ok so it’s DLC

[@TheAmirfrank24]

Love the game star citizen best game for now. If you any other game much better than this show me

[@R1PPA-C]

Literally any finished game is better than this marketing scheme they're trying to pass off as a game

[@BVLDERDVSH]

It definitely does more for me than any other title.

[@Scott-ze5yr]

I love this game. I think it is the best one out there, but they have to make it playable more than it is. Yes I know it is an Alpha but this patch, at least for me has been the worst yet.

[@barnaba9000]

mark my words... this game gonna be the biggest failure in the history.

[@BVLDERDVSH]

@@barnaba9000 disagree, but I feel the frustration too.