How Can a Team So Dominant Be So Chaotic?

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[@nomadic98]

At least Red Bull is winning races, unlike Alpine with similar behind the scenes fiasco.

[@ShonnDaylee]

At this point, Alpine has more sponsors than staff.

[@Thedutchman12]

@@ShonnDayleefunny enough I remember reading something that Alpine were something like 3rd when it comes to teams with the most staff

[@LunnarisLP]

I mean its like every 2nd team. Look at Haas, Look at Ferrari. I'm sure Horner at worst said something mildly inappropriate, but the Marco + Verstappen faction is trying to push him out of the team he built up. We can only hope that RB doesnt give in to that bs. Max Verstappen might be good, but RB only was ever successful because of Horner, and that goes beyong Verstappen.

[@jessehull2990]

@@ShonnDayleeit

[@mica7191]

Alpine is so slow in 2024... I feel they would battle with Kick Sauber for P9... if they improve their car

[@BPBomber]

I picture Checo fading into the hedgerow like the Homer Simpson gif.

[@Phantom096]

Poor Checo McLaren the end of Ron Dennis, Force India the end of Vijay and now the end of Red Bull. 😆 No championship for you Checo. Never! What luck.

[@mexicanopdb]

The only chance for Checo to win a championships is if Max leaves and Red Bull put Daniel Riccardo and he stays performing how he did in Jeddah.

[@ThereMayBeLions]

​@@mexicanopdbYeah, it's safe to say that Checo would outperform Ricciardo in identical equipment based solely on experience.

[@ronnymashaba1189]

😂

[@purwantiallan5089]

​@@mexicanopdbchances for Verstappen leaving Red Bull is only 0.0000009 percent.

[@leftygambinoTenno]

Jos was pain back when he was racing for Benneton and he's still a pain now.

[@zounds13]

"Pain" is a really nice way of putting it.

[@AnikethArnady]

agreed 100%.... sometimes i find him annoying

[@user-ec2ri7qu6h]

It’s like you all know the guy!! Unbelievable… people who like to judge!! Suckerrrrs!!

[@PCbeneden-pn2bi]

​@@AnikethArnadyI can assure you that he is not well-received here in The Netherlands; he is notorious for displaying abusive behavior and engaging in violence against women.

[@nullc0ntext]

Shame that fire suit was so fireproof.

[@paulsilas6037]

The outsiders panicking more than the Red Bull team.

[@purwantiallan5089]

KICK SAUBER F1 also panicked more than Red Bull.

[@BilTheGalacticHero]

You've got a few things wrong here. Red Bull GMBH didn't reveal the investigation into Horner's behavior until after the news was leaked and appeared in the media. This isn't really surprising... Red Bull GMBH is a privately held company. They have no requirements to make public disclosures to stockholders. In addition, this is a HR matter. Employee privacy, from the CEO on down is protected by UK and EU law. Red Bull can't simply make the details of the investigation public. All the calls for "transparency" from figures in the sport like Wolff and Brown are just attempts to further destabilize Red Bull. They know Red Bull can't legally disclose the information unless both Horner and his accuser both allow it to happen. As for FOM or the FIA, they have no say whatsoever. Red Bull GMBH surely understands the optics of suspending the accuser (something they only confirmed after that news was also leaked) so you can figure they did it for a good reason. If her complaint was not found to be valid that could be a reason as could the leaking or fabricating of evidence. She's free to appeal that decision and she's also free to take legal action against Red Bull Racing in the UK Employment Tribunal or in court. We will all have to wait and see what happens.

[@Ogole-oye]

Thank you. There's also this gross overstated self importance from the public to think that unless they are in the know of a private matter l, then it's not transparent. Transparency argument only holds weight if the persons involved in the investigation felt the processes were otherwise, but for the rest on the outside, while we want to know we really dont need to know. We are not the gatekeepers of transparency.

[@atmoz_]

I agree, and to add to this. She got herself a new lawyer and got this week (or till next week) to appeal. So you can assure this will be the main talk during the next race.

[@stefan.marsenicc]

there is proof of his messages, if they could ban piquet from paddock so they can horner aswell

[@jessetaylor4357]

Another woman faking to be a victim lol 😂

[@spenmac]

This should be pinned, and all other comment disabled.

[@Ikcatcher]

The only thing that can beat Red Bull is Red Bull themselves

[@mexicanopdb]

Never knew that RedBull was becoming RedHorse (ferrari joke)

[@dutcharest9731]

in the bleak midseason...

[@AugmentedGravity]

I miss Dietrich alot rn. He was the fabric that held everything together. Now that he's gone, Darth Marko and Count Jos have corrupted young Maxie and are about to turn him to the dark side.

[@tom.m]

"The values of Formula 1" is a hilarious phrase.

[@ofthenearfuture]

It makes sense that Max would be loyal to Marko, he gave him his drive. But looking at the team as a whole, I think Newey is still the most important part of it all, and I think they would keep him over any driver or director, because the car is ultimately what's winning championships. Going to be very interesting to see how this all plays out and what happens in the end... never a lack of drama in F1 haha

[@quierover4locas]

Look up who Pierre Wache is, Adrian is not as fundamental as media makes him to be.

[@jpj1115]

​@@quierover4locas Errrr... anyone can be good under Newey, so was Dan Fallows until he left for Aston

[@quierover4locas]

@@jpj1115 well it takes more than one person to design a car.

[@spoony01428]

imagine redbull going for jos and marko camp... a wifebeater and a guy that doesnt know which continent mexico is in lool

[@wile123456]

So the cheater of his long term wife and zero charisma hornier is better? Imagine getting awkward video calls every late night and the guy not taking the hint when they are never picked up yuck

[@jonathanbelfire]

Based on the conversations going around, it looks like Max has an exit clause out of his contract without Marko. Max appears to be firmly on Marko's side and Red Bull will be very cautious on how they approach this. Ideally, Red Bull would like for this whole mess to be settled without anyone going. However, if someone goes, I don't think they're going to risk losing Max. That being said, Newey is such a major player in Red Bull's success and hasn't really taken a firm side. If Newey comes out clearly in Horner's camp then Red Bull will basically have to choose between Newey and Verstappen. I think Newey is more important over short term but he's 65 years old so it's hard to say how long he'll want to keep doing this.

[@khlua4590]

@@jonathanbelfire I dont know man, going by the public dynamics, Jos Is definitely a PR nightmare for any teams. The team that wants to sign Max if he ever quit from redbull will think twice because they are basically 1 package. Jos will rip a team from inside for power struggle.

[@diegovillavicencio3172]

@@jonathanbelfireand I don't think Newey would leave the team just because of his friendship and loyalty to Horner. He would basically retire, lose millions of dollars, don't win championships anymore JUST because of Horner. No one is that stupid lol

[@LunnarisLP]

@@khlua4590 I mean for all we know there are rumours of him having a relationship with the woman who now accused Horner of inappropriate behaviour and possibly leaked those chats which might even be faked. Lets just say it wouldnt be past Jos Verstappen given everything he did in the past if he did something like this as well.

[@nullc0ntext]

This season on DRIVE TO DIVIDE

[@Theotheradamyouknow]

It's very sad that this is currently more exciting than what's happing on the track.

[@MoGumbo_]

facts

[@davidhaworth7152]

It’s sad to me that people are “entertained “;by this at all.

[@MrSilverfish12]

F1 is always like this. Prost vs Senna, Spygate, Crashgate and the dodgey contract dealings in the 80´s and 90´s that would make the Oscar/Alpine situation look like a tiktok fight. I just focus on the technology in F1 and the engineering, the drivers and principles are just part of the experiment.

[@MoGumbo_]

@@davidhaworth7152 People just want to know whats going on

[@curiousfurious5877]

How is this exciting? It‘s pathetic.

[@gaben8019]

I like trains

[@Adreno23421]

Nice!

[@FH4Player6397]

ASDF Movie reference

[@Chris-et2fm]

Steam, diesel, electric or DRS?

[@JustsomeGrumpyCat]

@@Chris-et2fmanything but a drs train 😭

[@maxrichter9513]

Me too choo choo

[@kieferclarkf1674]

Jos is the root of all this. Read about how he treated Max as a child, along with the actual physical abuse he did against Max’s mom as well as Jos’ girlfriend and you’ll see the monster that he is. Allegedly, the accuser has dated Jos off and on. The more you investigate this the more you’ll see that Horner is actually doing what’s best for Red Bull Racing and Red Bull gmbh. The Porsche deal was not good fit, as Porsche wanted too much control. Setting up RBPT after acquiring the Honda power unit intellectual property was a genius move by Horner as well. This was all a set up to try and remove Horner but it backfired. Hope he stays with the team for 20 more years. And Max, I’m a fan but if he wants to go let him. Fernando will fit right in that seat if it were open for 2025.

[@viskyboi1275]

I swear I wanna see Alonso win a 3rd, he deserves it.

[@volante8657]

@@viskyboi1275hope so, but I wonder if the Honda ban on Alonso is still valid, though Honda is not an official supplier but they are still have a supporting role in RBPT

[@jimrobcoyle]

Yet, when Fernando said it, the Honda was an F2 engine. 😊

[@MegaIronica]

Agree that Jos is a be d-bag, especially after he flat out accused Hamilton of using PED out of nowhere and with no evidence in 2021. Till this day, I am still surprised this story wasn't covered as much as it should have been and that Jos didn't get the huge backlash he deserves for it. But the more ai follow this story, the more I think it is all about Marko. Everyone knows he is a very toxic person, but those around him stay loyal to him for all the favors he did for them, especially the RB Junior Academy. I think RB are desperately trying to get rid of him because of his toxicity, but he is striking back by using those loyal to him and going after Horner as a counterattack. Jos is just contributing in Marko's plan and Max feels he owns a lot to Marko so he goes along with it. I dont see how the majority holders at RB would let Horner go unless he really did something bad for the company's reputation. However, I think it is jus a matter of time for Marko to get kicked out. These are moves of desperation by his camp, and you only do that when you feel really threatened.

[@kieferclarkf1674]

@@MegaIronica I agree. It’s insane that Marko still even wants to go to every race, he’s 81 ffs. I’d really like to know how Dietrich’s son Mark, who inherited 49 percent of the company, feels about Marko. He’s 31 and i just can’t see him being loyal to a guy that is so divisive for the company. Marko and Jos definitely problem makers.

[@leilhazaneperez5248]

bro its so confusing keeping up with the chaos in the team rn, hope this vid explains alot 🙏

[@mrbungle3310]

They have the foundation...the car ,the engineer ,the driver,the manager everything is there...even if its not stable now they are professionals

[@Primenumber19]

Two words. Jos Verstappen

[@toolegittoquit_001]

I posted the same thing an hour after you 😂

[@amsarkar0805]

Yea, let max go to tractor merc if he wants to go, red bull can easily payout contracts for Lando & Sainz for free.

[@Kiwing827]

@@amsarkar0805 Sainz and Alonso are free next year, Alonso would probably even offer to drive for free if he can get his hand on one of the most dominant car on the grid just like Senna offered to drive for Williams for free after seeing Prost sail to his forth championship.

[@khlua4590]

Jos Verstappen. Convicted Assaulter at Karting Track (1998), Threatening His Wife and ignoring restraining order (2008), Attempted murderer of his Ex-Wife (2012) But no matter, Max's mother also publicly called Sergio Perez for dancing with some girl in Yacht in 2022 (now-deleted instagram post, but will still in the internet forever). I think Max's family will rips any teams from the inside no matter where they are, they are both PR Nightmare by always bringing any dirty laundry out to the public for their own personal interest. Hopefully Max doesnt follow their characters/personalities. Lets be real, any companies/ teams or even people will have 1 or 2 dirty laundry that is better settled behind the doors. If they say they dont have one then they're lying. However, leaking those information just to defame other and gain public favor is just low. I can understand if it is some whistleblowing case but this one is definitely not. Its not whistleblowing, its textbook defamation. And the whole team suffers as a result of that personal interest action.

[@Phantom096]

And Max claims he is not here for the drama. 😆 Max is a Kardashian at this point.

[@Anuitu2u]

Are we watching a live version Kdrama/Telenovela/sex n the City on F1 now? Well, I think it relatable. Netflix DTS producer would be busy this season, and Netflix PR or ads Dept would be busy next season for promotion.

[@viskyboi1275]

I wonder what will happen to merc if max goes there. If redbull's supposed zero-pod design works (they will bring it in japan apperently), it will make merc implode as well and make toto look like an idiot and if kimi performs well in f2, he has perference over max cuz he is their own junior driver. McLaren seem hellbent on keeping their driver lineup, Ferrari has ham and lec locked in and if either decided to nope out, bearman has shown that with some polishing, he can be a good driver, so what good team can max go to exactly, Aston might sign yuki or keep their current lineup cuz why would they remove Alonso? I think none. And if he leaves, sainz is right there waiting. Max better make his own decision cuz if he doesn't, he could end up nerfing he career big time.

[@mamavswild]

@@Phantom096. Max has literally done nothing wrong here and you’re making a lot of assumptions about what is going on. I’m going to what to find out what is REALLY going on like a decent person but Max is caught between a lot of people he cares about and that is pretty much the only fact that exists that is out there and everything else will have to wait to flesh out.

[@mrbungle3310]

Maybe because they are targeted everyone has skeletons in their closet especially rich f1 people

[@DrewBlankMusic]

Been trying to ignore as much of this scandal as possible, but this summary of events strikes me as brilliant. Well done.

[@russtaylor385]

Good video Aldas. Not overly sensational. Another good example of your development as a motor sport commentator.

[@reedharper7013]

BUT...I don't think christian Horner will EVER be the fall guy. He is the one that built the team and it is winning BECAUSE of HIM. He is also right when he said, HE is the TEAM LEADER and anyone within the team can be replaced but I don't think one can replace the team leader and expect the same results longterm. My theory with the power struggle is that Christian wants to be an owner and not just the CEO. Christian has made this team VERY profitable and also winning! I think he just wants a piece and to me it is not far fetched based on the amount of investment and risk being taken within the last 10yrs in order to WIN and make the brand he runs VERY PROFITABLE. 2026 is another year with new engine regs and IF he makes this work as well, you CANNOT deny that he may even be the most successful team principal on the grid no once that team stays within the top three on track. I do have one catankerous question. Can you confirm if "the woman" that made the complaint was Jos's partner?? This was alleged. Just asking.....because this would make the pressures around a bit different.

[@irrationalgeographic9953]

It is all Jos and Helmut causing issues as they have done for years. If it came down to losing Max, Jos and Helmut or Horner and Newey then its a no brainer to keep Horner and Newey. There is plenty of drivers who would carry on the winning for RB. If they lost Horner and Newey then in a very short time you would see RB drop through the field just look at the history of VCARB where Helmut has a big say on how the team is run and thats a glimpse of RB future if Jos and Helmut get a grip on the team.

[@mamavswild]

Well apparently Newey isn’t happy with Horner either and is thinking about leaving the team now. The point is, we are only getting bits and pieces about what is really going on. I’m going to sit this one out for a little bit longer before determining what is going on. The only thing I do know is that Max has done nothing wrong and is caught between a lot of people he cares about who are leaching off of his extraordinary talent and love of racing, and also that Max’ loyalty to them is commendable but I hope they aren’t using him.

[@eggy6857]

You actually believe this dumb stuff. It's 100% obvious that Horner wants complete control over the company. Hence why he wants to push Marko out. This has been going on since last year when Mateschitz died.

[@Uzair_Of_Babylon465]

Great video keep it up you're doing amazing things 😁💯

[@dustinabigan2776]

Any big figure that holds a lot of say like Dietrich being gone would almost always attract a power struggle to seize the power vacuum. Felt like it was only a matter of time that a power struggle explodes, and all it took was one spark (the harassment allegations) to start the explosion. The lack of details in the investigation is just weird considering full disclosure is kind of a given in an investigation, and maybe the lack of transparency is what further fanned the flames of the matter because there's so much uncertainty that people start speculating. With how things are, the whole mess looks more like a witch hunt of people who may or may not be in the wrong. At this point the matter is already way bigger than just the allegations because people left right and center are making use of the situation to shoot at each other. And if people ask why they're doing that, they can just shrug their shoulders and say X person started it. Who would have thought that after 2023, Red Bull could risk losing Christian, Max, Helmut, and Adrian leading up to 2026. At this point I think it's more of a mutually assured destruction thing that someone could put their foot down and just outright say they should leave (with Adrian leaving on his own). If all of them leave, Red Bull will likely start 2026 on the back foot and maybe could end up in a same situation pace-wise like Mercedes now.

[@erikahuxley]

If Max is so aligned with Helmut, and that side of the camp. I actually think they are the ones who will gain the upper hand and staying, if they are supported by the Austrian owners. Horner is more likely to be ousted if this is the case. Newey has never liked these kind of politics, so 50/50% if he chooses to go or leave. Newey like to be given space and respect, Horner has given him that which allows Red Bull to be so successful. If Horner leaves and the new team leaders cramp his style he might choose to leave too.

[@Kiwing827]

The whole debacle reminds me of the film, "The Death of Stalin", this power struggle should be called "The Death of Dietrich"

[@dustinabigan2776]

​@@erikahuxley Yeah, given the sitaution, I think keeping Max would be better. Helmut can be a loose cannon at times but it's ultimately a continuity thing to keep him there. Newey though, I feel like he might stay if he's shown that Red Bull can put all this behind them and not screw around with politics anymore. If the politics do continue with whoever the TP becomes after Christian, he'd probably leave. Though all that still depends on the Yoovidya family who is currently backing Christian with their majority hold of Red Bull.

[@LongingSubset9]

@@dustinabigan2776 I think it's the opposite. Red Bull mainly need Newey on board to keep designing dominant cars like this. Give this car to Alonso, Norris or even Sainz and they would most likely win a wdc with it. Even with Max's skills, he could only mount any kind of challenge against such a dominant car with the current Ferrari. Which we all know is not gonna happen due to the Lewis and Leclerc combo.

[@aib0160]

What happens if Newey sticks with Horner? I think he'd be a bigger loss to the team than Max.

[@stormageddon248]

Because it's not about the team principal or the drivers over there. It's about Adrian Fucking Newey. As long as a team lets him work they are gonna have a top car. This year encapsulates that perfectly. If Max wasn't there it would be Checo would be winning by a mile.

[@mrbungle3310]

Technically Horner is the guy that "massages" newey

[@brianfitzgerald3835]

In two words… JOS VERSTAPPEN

[@bentacc9217]

Meanwhile NASCARs biggest issue: “we don’t need more horsepower in the cars”

[@mrbungle3310]

To be fair nascar are already cooked...the cars are too easy and slow,and the new mini ovals are a joke

[@bentacc9217]

@@mrbungle3310 clearly never watched a race. So I’ll respectfully take your opinion as just a mid opinion good day Verstappen fan

[@OscarWei]

00:02 Red Bull's dominance is matched by internal division 01:47 Red Bull's success attributed to team structure and Dietrich's influence. 03:36 Tensions and controversies within Red Bull Racing 05:21 Calls for investigation into actions of Red Bull figure in Formula 1. 07:13 Max Verstappen's position within the team is causing division and tension. 09:04 Max emphasizes loyalty and importance of key team members. 10:51 Amidst team chaos at Red Bull, Adrien Newey's allegiances and the power imbalance are key concerns. 12:38 Max Verstappen's potential departure from Red Bull amidst their dominance

[@paulcarter4689]

Excellent honest appraisal of a complicated situation look forward to your future thoughts

[@Orcawhale1]

I can only hope that Max actully leaves, because he will then look back and think "My dad was such a moron".

[@patrickcesalestajodywibowo741]

Gotta wear my best suit for the Red Bull downfall

[@suppmjz]

Fr😅

[@edwinbenny2483]

1. Christian Horner disrespected his wife by flirting with employee. 2. There is no evidence that he sexually harassed her hence why the internal investigation cleared him. 3. The media leak was manipulated because there was omissions in between the texts which leads to a possibility it was a honey plot against Horner. 4. The female employee got suspended by Red Bull despite the fact that they knew it would cause uproar which means they likely found reason to do so. 5. If she was scarred of Horner because of how POWERFUL he is, she could have taken this matter to the courts rather than to the HR in the first place. 6. Jos Verstappen is more than likely using this as an opportunity to get Max out of Red bull before the next set of regulation changes as he quite possibly think Ford is not up to competition in the future. 7. There have been reports of Thai ownership wanting to put Red Bull racing and technology under a separate division with Horner running it which the Austrian wing doesn't like. 8. The remaining F1 teams are using this opportunity to destabilise the team as much as they can to poach their talents. 9. British Media and Italian media, two of the most toxic factions in all of news industry is having a field day with this because British media always had it against Red Bull meanwhile Italian media is playing wing man for Ferrari. 10. All of this is happening under the premise that Horner DID sexually harass the employee when that hasn't been established.

[@adon3h1]

To quote Toretto: It's all about family. 😂

[@ThatBritishVlogger]

I don't think Horner is going. This situation isn't as big a deal as people think it is. (Unless new information comes out). Yes he was investigated. But for all anyone knows she just made everything up. People make accusations and raise grievances all the time in big businesses. I'm sure everyone is aware of a time where someone has made false allegations. The accusations weren't even super serious either. From what we know at worst he sounds like a 'controlling micro manager'. Not ideal, but not exactly illegal. And being a micro manager isn't even necessarily immoral.

[@haruntekin6724]

Lets be honest, in f1 the car is oftenmore important than the people. Horner was right to call that bluff.

[@Phantom096]

Finally an interesting video from you. Not the usual towing of the F1 company line like Tommy and the other guy.

[@toolegittoquit_001]

‘Toeing’

[@Phantom096]

@@toolegittoquit_001 Thanks 👍

[@user-ec2ri7qu6h]

This is what I call a great reportage, This reportage makes more sense than all the other content I have read 🙏🙏👍good job

[@1nterzept661]

It's kinda sad that Max Verstappen's accomplishments are often overshadowed by the controversy surrounding Red Bull.

[@ctdesing]

If someone must go it is Jos Verstappen.

[@0Synergy]

Well because they got dominant and THEN the power struggle began?

[@MoGumbo_]

Was gonna say, I thought this was well understood lol

[@myka4337]

They were dominate from 2010-2013 and there was no power struggle. This is all because of Dietrich Mateschitz's death. He was the one holding everything together because not even the Thai owners would try to cross him. Not saying he was an evil guy, just that he had that status and respect within the company.

[@0Synergy]

@@myka4337 Absolutely, but he is also a blithering idiot for disrupting the free press and advertising of RBR's inevitable 10 WDC's in a row. all so he can feel like hes doing something...

[@0Synergy]

@@myka4337 The new CEO and the Austrian vs Thai stuff shows they are all idiots for disrupting the team like this, they are all utterly destroying any chance of RBR having long term dominance if this continues. If Newey leaves RBR they are fucked, it might take a bit to show but it will.

[@anotheruser9876]

Christian has the support from the Thai owners. If he were to be fired the owners will pull financing of RBR and V-CARB.

[@cesarm4040]

I would like to see some major change happen. Either a big move happens or stop the speculation

[@mijitorawr9005]

No one is bigger than the team. There are other drivers that can deliver results given a good car. Jos is clearly a troublemaker and if it is at the expense of his son then so be it. On the otherhand, Marko adding that clause to Max's contract again has ulterior motives.

[@LordWay]

You called it on Newey bravo!

[@erwinsabilala6014]

Noticed that the one who released an allegations is from Dutch Media makes me 🤔

[@cmjvanrijn505]

Thats because the nl media (the telegraph) wants horner gone as soon as possible and they are gonna attack red bull for not doing it quickly enought. They also said that Marko has said to them that he (Marko) has adviced Ford to pull from the engine partnership because RB-powertrains is far behind schedule🤷🏼‍♂️. Sounds more like a hate campaign from the dutch paper at the moment.

[@1danny2k]

The art of war.

[@oxii99]

as important as max is, it could be argued that christian is equally or more important, he been there since the beginning and over seen 2 eras of dominance within that team

[@mrbungle3310]

Christian is red bull like it or not....christian and newey have kept this team the best aero team for a decade + now

[@Raysboss302]

I love this. Imagine Max going to McLaren. Except Jos. Jos definitely stay home brother. You hurt your sons career.

[@mrbungle3310]

Jos made him who he is

[@inferno4165]

@@mrbungle3310 jos abused max until max became who he is

[@zinj2618]

If Verstappen leaves Horner should call Alonso immediately, i would love to see Alonso in that Redbull. I'm sure with the money freed up by Verstappen, Leclerc could be bought out of his contract.

[@suppmjz]

Simple

[@atmoz_]

I loved this video, just want to add that other "rumors" are that people not having much faith in the new engine. What would be a good reason for Max AND Newey finding (own) ways to jump ship. Newey is already late to that show. He most likely need to take gardening leave for at least a season. So there is more urge for him, max wouldn't mind race next year but after that he might really want to move on. But the seat swaps happening in F1, if I would bet on a new engine Mercedes got it right last time so would be my bet for Max to go to. Just that next season is still a World Championship potential car (most likely) What is missing in the video what is important to say is that Max WAS driving and just jumped out of the car when they asked him his stands about Helmut

[@wiegraf9009]

Solid coverage of the state of affairs!

[@danieljoseph255]

Phony chaos. The team will be dead set on eliminating the blight of a single loss last season

[@cesco1990]

As to your title question: The technical gains were made with their budgetcap transgressions. The cap will just get getting bigger between Red Bull and other teams, cause other teams DO have to adhere to the budgetcap.

[@SpinachLeaf]

Pretty sure the team is good and it mostly the media. Along with Jos and Helmut making some powerplays now that Dietrich is gone. Guess its been decided by the majority owners and the team that they really just needs Max Horner and Newey.

[@fabinho69fs]

By breaching the cost cap in the first development stages and take so an advantage over the other teams. Easy...

[@f1jones544]

Success has gone to their heads. Couldn't happen to a nicer group of people.

[@emmanueljoseph2520]

It will be interesting to see if, Horner will switch his loyalty to Checo.😂

[@LunnarisLP]

I mean Checo is a decent enough driver. And he isnt even top notch. Max was hardly pulling away from him in Saudi Arabia, so if we put a different driver that is actually really good like Sainz, who funny enough is looking for a seat for 2025 into that car, then I'd not be surprised if Redbull would do just as well. And yeah we can put Max into the Mercedes then, okay. But is he actually superior to Russell in pace? I personally dont think so. Yeah he is the more experiences driver and especially his consistency is very good, but then again being consistent is much easier if your car is miles ahead of everyone and your teammate isnt performing compared to fighting tough battles with Ferrari and Mclaren every race. Max Verstappen in my eyes is very overrated. He got 1 title because the race director gifted it to him and 2 titles because RB nailed their aero concept on ground effect cars. Lets not forget that Checo was a driver that was basically sorted out before RB took him in. He was named with Magnussen, Ricciardo, Hulkenberg and Grosjean. Doesnt mean he cant perform or is a terrible driver not deserving of a F1 seat, but surely he isnt some top notch talent wanted by top teams. Of course we can pretend that Verstappen is simply that good of a driver, but realistically speaking its rather Perez being worse than Verstappen being great. So yeah I'd be happy to see if Verstappen can actually deliver any kinda performance if he is with a different team and car. I personally have my doubts.

[@yeahman211]

@@LunnarisLP Max handily outdrove Lewis in 2021 over the course of the season. Lewis was binning his car in the gravel, fucking up his brake magic, and getting stuck behind LeClerc. Without Silverstone and Hungary the season is a wash.

[@SarahCore1288]

Watching this video for the first time after Newey left was a trip

[@SDRaygon]

True FIA should investigate Horner, just like they should investigate how Mercedes had an extra floor stay ready for Canada 2022 or how Toto had insider information that he accidentally said public

[@dinaabd7212]

Tbh Max reached the peak of rb and needs a new challenge to entertain the fact that he's a beast in any car

[@Pedro285]

Not really surprised tbh. Power battles are common in business and the passing of Mateschitz left a vacuum that has not been cleanly filled. Quality succession planning may have been missing here, which would be a surprise for such a large entity.

[@rvmes]

Aldas what music do you use for your videos? Do you have any playklist?

[@shaunmark1]

All I know is that if Horner isn’t guilty, he will sue the crap out of Jos if anyone acts in false info.

[@DontForgetOldKolobok]

Photo 76 cannot be unseen

[@Nonameagain69]

The Horndog.

[@Jigds]

Max looks visibly bored of easy winnings without having to fight for it. Every race is now a dull affair not only to us but to him as well. Race drivers thrive on adrenaline rush which the ultra superior RB19 and RB20 is not providing due to their dominance on the grid. With the skillset that Verstappen has, moving out to explore other competitive and more exciting pastures of race driving is high possibility for SuperMax.😂

[@sergeantpeppers8858]

If RB fires Horner, I think it will have an effect likr Alpine has now after they fired Otmar Szafnauer with sporting director Alan Permane, technical director Matt Harman and head of aerodynamics Dirk de Beer all departing Alpine over the last 12 months. How many mechanics and fabrication people have left Alpine as well? There will be those in the shop who DO support Horner and if he is fired (especially after RB says he was cleared), they will walk out also, taking their expertise with them. UK and European laws are different than ours in the US. We've grown accustomed to knowing every little detail about who did what to whom that we can't stand to NOT know details. The laws that cover this investigation don't allow details to be given to the public unless ALL parties agree to it. Why would Horner agree to allow information out after he was cleared? I wouldn't. This was an internal HR situation that was investigated by outside investigators, Horner was cleared. The accuser apparently made false allegations, was found out, and was terminated. Which is what should happen. But we THINK we need all the juicy details. We don't. If Max leaves, he may won more championships before he retires. If Horner leaves, RB will become a rear to midfield team. It will be YEARS before they'll be a front runner again. Just my 2 cents. I could be wrong, I've been wrong before.

[@nino3613]

Newey needs to go make his dream happen at Ferarri

[@jrranklin]

If Horner goes so those newey they got some wierd clause... so whoever leave will tear that team apart which is sad..

[@marcknight9334]

Every single team eventually implode.

[@Logan00710]

ferrari 2018 after marchione´s death ferrari implode with power fight between arrivabene and binnoto, that make team blow up and we saw 2019 to 2022, in 2020 and 2021, 2 of worst seasons ever for ferrari and binnoto the wrong man lead to chaos

[@soleneptune9498]

This shits getting crazyyyyyyy😭😭😭

[@mathewhosier9739]

The only two contants throughout red bulls success have been Horner and Newey so im sure both will be protected and red bull will do anything to retain both, seems to me that Newey is extremely loyal to Red Bull and wont go anywhere unless the team starts to fall down the order in which Newey knows hes the main reason for the teams two championship runs in early 2010s and now, and while i dont think either Newey or Horner could be properly replaced i do think a high level driver like Alonso could have similar success as Verstappen, i dont see either Horner or Newey going anywhere unless they cant land a proper power unit in 2026, i do think Red Bull Powertrains is fully capable of buulding a combustion engine but the hybrid system is a completely different story, they need Ford or a similar manufacturer familiar with hybrid systems in order to retain their top spot, its going to take a lot more chaos than this to remove a 20 second deficient, red bull are starting to look how dominant Mercedes was back in 2017

[@Aliens_Gonna_Get_Ya]

geez… 1/2 way thru… i’m so confused… 😵‍💫😵‍💫😵‍💫🤣🤣🤣

[@nickysixx2480]

It would be a gangsta move if Christian is TP for Ferrari and Adrian as CTO in 2025!

[@darkstar223]

Somebody in this team said no to Porsche so clearly the greed does not sit there

[@optimusprime028]

WINNING CAN SOLVE ANYTHING. THIS WILL WRAP UP ITSELF EVENTUALLY.

[@timothybogle1461]

Eventually a power struggle like this happens. It happened with the New England Patriots and that dynasty lasted nearly 20 years.

[@mrbungle3310]

To me its weird how short this domination would last compared to mercedes

[@countmorbid3187]

The whole Horner stuff is a clear setup. When you see the whatsapp messages, it is very clear they had a (virtual) sexual relationship and she was ok with it before. Then, at one point, without clearly stating she wanted out, she makes a drama? If it is all real to begin with. It all sounds like a kindergarten feud. Transparency was clearly missing. The fact that Horners name came out immediately, the accusers did not. Guilty till proven innocent and as usual the female gets the upper hand even before the shit hits the fan. It's a sickening childish powerplay.

[@bymaxformax]

I sopped drinking Red Bull after I saw Homer ding ding

[@wiegraf9009]

Red Bull Racing was set up as Mateschitz's private kingdom and of course after the king dies the succession struggle is a nightmare. There are good reasons to run companies in modern ways that have more accountability and checks and balances.

[@AnimaDweller]

Back in the 2000's, Ferrari had many internacional wars for power, specially in 2006. Lack of competitiveness makes people think they're invencible. And without no one else to fight, people turn to the people next to them when looking for rivals.

[@RhomasTotevenaar]

They had the same thing as redbull has now. People tied to each other, so If one leaves they all leave.

[@jamaalwalker4140]

With the baked in advantage Red Bull has other drivers could cruise to trophies like Max is while Perez is in the other car. Both Max and Horner are replaceable.

[@thevictoryoverhimself7298]

Calling for a trial by media is always shitty.

[@ask.repeat]

Because the chaos is mostly happening outside of the team. Apparently people are more interested in speculation and rumor than racing.

[@apolloofficial1741]

In my opinion if Newey leaves the car will start to fall off as development goes on. This sport is based on engineering so that would seem like the biggest overall hit to take. Either way its a lose/lose no matter which route they go. This could be very interesting for the future of the next regulations.

[@morbid1.]

it would be ironic if only team that killed RB was RB...

[@jennyapperti8644]

such a good video, thanks for analyzing so much, it's very helpful

[@Raysboss302]

Adrian and Max. Adrian is goin Italian?

[@nicholastotoro7721]

Jos is being a stage dad and the racing media is acting like a bunch of children, but the team itself seems to be carrying on just fine. It's the media going nuts because the team *isn't* imploding or caving to "the current thing."

[@cosgarcia]

Get Max outta here. No one bigger than RedBull.

[@MegaIronica]

The more I follow this story, the more I think it is all about Marko. He was probably under Mateschits protection, but when he died, RB saw the perfect opportunity to get rid of him. Everyone knows he is a very toxic person, but those around him stay loyal to him for all the favors he did for them, especially the RB Junior Academy. I think RB are desperately trying to get rid of him because of his toxicity, but he is striking back by using those loyal to him and going after Horner as a counterattack. Jos is just contributing to Marko's plan, and Max is very unfluenced by his dad and he feels he owns a lot to Marko, so he goes along with it. I dont see how the majority holders at RB would let Horner go unless he really did something bad for the company's reputation. However, I think it is just a matter of time for Marko to get kicked out. These are moves of desperation by his camp, and you only do that when you feel really threatened.

[@wgolyoko]

"The teams and fans have a right to know" No, no they don't. This was an internal HR issue and absolutely no one outside of the concerned parties, their lawyers and RB's HR departement is entitled to anything about it unless it goes to trial. In addition, disclosing information about it would arguably be illegal under Austrian defamation & labor laws, as Red Bull would knowingly be publishing reputation-damaging information.

[@donniedollarhidejr.2766]

Because money.

[@AnarRamazanov-po5le]

If it ain't broke, don't fix it!

[@PrakashPushker9912]

there were reports that horner tried to buy red bull racing with support from British investors and thai owners without telling the Austrian owners.Thats when all the drama escalated.

[@lankyboy90]

Max's comments regarding Marko are very telling. You can easily omit the names he mentioned and come to the conclusion that he could also be referring to Christian. Horner has been there since day dot and built the team. He has been instrumental in bringing Adrian Newey over from Mclaren and giving him the space and working environment he needed to create winning cars. Max has very clearly aligned himself with Marko publicly by saying what he has about both people.

[@dirtpancakes]

Thank you for making a video on this. Too many people don’t understand how f1 isn’t “just about driving”

[@mamavswild]

I love how TeamLh is in the comments ragging on Max (who has done nothing wrong in all of this) and acting like they are being completely reasonable. They are loving this.

[@toolegittoquit_001]

Marko won’t be missed 👋👋👋

[@zounds13]

Nor would Jos

[@andrewfranke7669]

Having his father as his manager is probably the best and worst thing that happened to Max, at the same time.

[@oldestries]

How can our life be so dominant when living with itself be so chaotic?