How can someone be moral but not Christian |

[@CrossExamined]

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[@The_Lord_has_it]

An atheist that claims to have morals and values will sell out those morals and values for money and power long whereas a Christian will NOT sell their salvation for ANYTHING in this finite world.

[@mickqQ]

@@The_Lord_has_it Are you sure about that?

[@The_Lord_has_it]

@@mickqQ No. I shouldn't have put everyone into the same basket. I should have said something to the effect of "it enables them to be that way", similar to how the introduction of calculators enabled "some" (but obviously not all) people to never learn the skills necessary for arithmetic OR in how things have become today since placing all of human knowledge in everyone's pocket. Now EVERYONE knows EVERYTHING, with zero wisdom and half of THEM cannot do their job without being told every step of the way by a computer. The worst part is they'll never know what they never had and think they're superior because of it. And the de-education campaign to create a population of humans all thinking the same and following along in indentured servitude to an unelected elite is proceeding at an unprecedented rate. It's almost as if someone threw a bottle of "global whoop ∆ss" against the wall while saying "ready, set, go..." A couple years ago. Huh

[@mickqQ]

@@The_Lord_has_it I agree you should not tar everyone with the same brush, I thank you for the rephrasing. If you take a cursory glance at the history of mankind The majority of which has, and is theist. It’s perfectly clear that theology is no barrier to barbarity, dishonesty, cruelty. So yes Atheists can be dishonest , just like every other human being on the planet. I try to be honest because according to my worldview it’s the right thing to do, but may not always be the right thing. Why do you be honest?

[@The_Lord_has_it]

@@mickqQ As I get older (I'm 55 now), life is a lot easier being honest cause I have less to remember. 😁 Jokes aside tho, I guess I grew up with relatives living all around me, had parents that taught me morals and values and probably where I gained the most understanding and wisdom- over the course of 72 hours I was "saved, born again". My entire existence was transformed. Couldn't have been more real if he appeared before me and shook my hand. I'm convinced it's the "heartfelt" part of prayer. Anyway, have a good one and God bless.

[@michaelzimmerman8959]

In the book of Acts, Cornelius was a very righteous man, he still had to repent and be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ and be filled with the Holy Ghost to be saved

[@KubiIay]

Furthermore, even (some) Christians can’t be saved for the following reason: Matthew 7:21-23 says: 21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’ 23 Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’

[@absentOCE]

@@KubiIay probably the scariest bible verses I know.

[@u.s.militia7682]

So if I’m not saved but I’m a good person, I won’t go to heaven but someone who is saved and not a good person, will go to heaven? Do you understand how hypocritically idiotic that sounds? Keep your god’s. I don’t want any part of that nonsense.

[@KubiIay]

@@u.s.militia7682 FYI: That depends on the religion. That what you said is mostly introduced with doctrines by the Church and most Christians around the globe believe this. Judaism, Islam and some early Christians (as well as some minor Christian sects) base their salvation on the mercy of God. You directly ask for forgiveness from God basically.

[@MrKingcarella23]

@@u.s.militia7682 no one is good because to be good is to be morally excellent, without any moral shortcomings. The only one who meets that criteria is Jesus. We have to define what “good” is and it can’t be subjective because then human beings become gods and the arbitrators of who is good and who is bad. There are some many views of what “good” is but there can only be one answer to what is objectively good otherwise it’s just left up to everyone’s opposing opinions.

[@duanemcdaniel9642]

God never changes. What is right yesterday is right today and will be right tomorrow. Human morality changes as soon as someone makes a passionate argument.

[@darkeen42]

So slavery is still right? Problem is the Bible contradicts itself it changes within just the Bible let alone through Time

[@duanemcdaniel9642]

@@darkeen42 I think you need to reread the Bible or study for better understanding.

[@darkeen42]

@@duanemcdaniel9642 no I've spent my entire adult life studying the Bible and where it came from you need to read the entire thing and not ignore huge chunks of it. You need to learn the history of your religion in the history of the Bible

[@darkeen42]

@@duanemcdaniel9642 when you say study for a better understanding what you mean is twist the words until they mean what they clearly don't but aren't morally irreprehensible

[@darkeen42]

@@duanemcdaniel9642 if you actually read the Bible there is no denying God endorses slavery

[@tonyd1149]

"Morality will keep you out of jail. But it takes the blood of Jesus Christ to keep you out of hell"-C.H. Spurgeon.

[@MrBugPop]

Funny that isn’t it! Why would it take a blood sacrifice? Sounds barbaric.

[@thierry860]

@@MrBugPop Christians are barbaric.

[@queengi8968]

Do you think we (atheists) deserve hell, then?

[@MrBugPop]

@@queengi8968 Who the hell is C.H. Spurgeon anyway and why should anyone care what he says!🤣🤣

[@tonyd1149]

@@queengi8968 Kindly, I didn't say such. Hell was not meant for people, but for the angels that rebelled against God. (A real place, to avoid, [I'd like you to avoid it]): "The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance."-2Peter3:9. [¿What is keeping you from such?]. "Come to me"-(Matt 11:28-30), the Lord says. He is gracious, and long suffering. Who sent His very own only Son to pay the price (only He[Messiah] could pay) that a holy and righteous God requires for man's sins. "Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else."-Isa 45:22. He's done it all. Grace beckons us to only receive this huge blessing. Don't miss it. For anything.

[@juliodyarzagaray]

I'm an atheist but I like this guy. He's truly formidable.

[@johnellis828]

He's a dishonest ahole

[@gokblok]

You can't be serious. Either you're lying about being an atheist, or you're an atheist for reasons other than evidence-based reasoning. This guy's an exercise in logical fallacies and shifting the burden-of-proof. "Formidable" is hardly a term that applies to this schmuck.

[@JD-lt7uv]

Frank thinks he has an unchanable moral authority to turn to in God, but what do you say to those who claim that even the morals in the Bible have changed? Leviticus 25:45-46 allows Jews to purchase foreigners as slaves and keep them forever as their personal "property." Numbers 31:17-18 and Deut. 21:10-14 permits the Israelites to take capitive virgin women they find attractive to be their "wives." Lev. 20:13 commands God’s people to stone homosexuals. Deut. 21:18-21 commands parents to kill rebellious children. I don't know any Christian who still believes any of that is "moral." Doesn't that mean even the Biblical concept of morality is malleable?

[@Masowe.]

Jesus loves you, i hope you find Him one day

[@JCJPL2520]

​@@JD-lt7uv: Read the whole Bible, you will get the answer to all the scriptures you quoted. And the best person to answer those doubts you have is Jesus Himself.

[@Theokin24]

"We are not saved by works lest any man should boast"

[@conniepayne931]

True, but our works are our fruit. If your (anyone) fruit is rotten then we can tell what kind of person you (anyone) are. If your fruit is good majority of the time, then your roots are good.

[@neilosbeverly7462]

And yet . . "work out your faith with fear and trembling". Perhaps it's not one vrs the other in a polarized way of thinking but both. Both faith and works save. The early church fathers in the Eastern Orthodox Church had worked this out perhaps a thousand years before the Protestant Reformation. They said both works and faith are needed for our salvation. Why this dichotomy? Why do we pit faith and works against each other when both are good and needed for salvation?

[@conniepayne931]

@@neilosbeverly7462 Because the churches are teaching that the law is gone, done away with or through Christ you don't need to which is false. He is the Way yes, but the Way is still walking like He did. He wore tassles, He wore the bands on His arms and head, He kept the feasts and Sabbaths. He never once said don't, infact He said "When they sit in the seat of Moses, do as they say but not say they do." They add to the law and create heavy burdens, His is not heavy. If the church taught their students properly, they would teach you to look at the original text and see what it actually means. Faith is a deep word in the Hebrew text. Sorcery in the NT is pharmakeia which is where we get pharmacy, chemist is from alchemy. Which is why the whole world is deceived by it. We have been taught nothing but lies from mankind and the powers and principalities. This is why there is a constant battle between the 2 types.

[@bunnypoop4508]

we all failed in our works. it's Faith plus works we are saved. Good works are the result of Faith in Jesus Christ

[@darkeen42]

@@neilosbeverly7462 if you have to work it out you're kind of ignoring what the Bible actually says why is your god such an incompetent communicator? I mean if people can read the Bible and see that Jesus calls for the Holocaust and then not actually be true then your God has some communication problems cuz it very clearly tells you to murder everybody that doesn't believe in Jesus.

[@Jadenclemens]

I've never heard it put so eloquently or truthfully - "How do we know right from wrong? It's written on our heart".

[@darkeen42]

You know people disagree on what's right or wrong

[@darkeen42]

So beating your slave being okay is written on your heart?

[@stacy4985]

Yes, that is in the Bible but the heart is also continuously wicked without God. Repentance is necessary and Jesus is the only one who can save us now and eternally

[@darkeen42]

@@stacy4985 yep that's the game of Christianity invent a disease and claim to be the cure

[@pikadragon2783]

Well, I would argue it is written in your genetic code.

[@quepe7211]

I love this man! God bless you! 🙏

[@Çerūlean9007]

I have an amazing story. One time I was driving home and I felt the presence of Jesus come down to me from above. I started getting chills and I felt so comfortable with Him. I knew if I asked Him to play a song on the radio, He would. So I said "Ok Lord, play Come as you are..." I didn't know what station it was on or anything, but I turned the radio on and the song started playing right on the spot, perfectly... I started getting flooded with chills inside, and started crying. When I got home, He stayed with me for 10 minutes till I got out of the car. I've been getting answered prayers for around 5 years since and I know other people who get answered prayers and who have seen miraculous things.

[@sjhoneywell6235]

God--sleeps through the Holocaust, allows thousands of children to starve to death daily, but plays your favorite song on the radio. Christianity is the perfection of narcissism.

[@MarkWirtz-yq1em]

I GOT CHILLS READING,🤗😁

[@Çerūlean9007]

@@MarkWirtz-yq1em Praise Jesus. Let me share a bit more. A while after that happened, I was watching a preacher on KZbin and I felt this compassion come over me by the Holy Spirit. So I prayed for him. "Father, double this man's ministry. Double his finances. Double his marital life, in Jesus holy name. Amen." The next day he released a new video. He was standing on stage for a bit, smiling. Then he said "The Lord has just doubled his ministry. He's doubled his finances and He's doubled his marital life...!! My heart started pounding from shock, because he was saying my exact prayer from the night before. Then later that week another prayer just as impossible was answered. It went on and on like that for months. It still happens, but, I have less stories because I quit praying for myself.

[@johnmacdonald-bb2zj]

If as what you say is true .... then I for one seriously think that you should quit driving cars .... your a danger on the roads.

[@scarcity1525]

@@Çerūlean9007 I pray you can find God a real connection with God, Come as you are is a very demonic song. Listen to the words it’s being told through the voice of satan himself talking to sinners going into hell. There’s no need to change for satan.

[@eccehomo1904]

Our moral system is infused with Christian values whether we like it or not.

[@grantharriman284]

You have it backwards. Christianity merely copy and pasted the existing moral system of humanity before it.

[@eccehomo1904]

@@grantharriman284 the moral system of the Romans based on polytheism? Nah.

[@grantharriman284]

@@eccehomo1904 Moral system, not pantheon, and the Christian system developed out of Judaism, not Roman polytheism. They were a cultural minority within the Roman empire. There were a lot of those.

[@richardjones3792]

And which species created Christianity?

[@stephj9378]

Because...they are universal principles

[@maryamtufakji1211]

I'm a Muslim and you couldn't have said that any better.

[@YeshuaLovesYou7]

Truth in the bible.. Google can confirm if you don't believe me. 1. Worldwide flood - proven when marine fossils were found way above sea levels. 2. 1948 Israel became a nation, completing prophecy. 3. Giants were talked about in the bible and they have found bones of humans that are 12+ feet in stature. 4. Bible predicted The Euphrates River will dry up, it's literally a 1/3 of its original size currently happening. 5. A stone was found that said "Pontius Pilate Prefect of Judea" 6. Dead Sea Scroll have been found. 7. Countless recordings of Jesus out side of the bible, Joesphus being one of the earliest documenting about how won the hearts of people as Messiah. 8. All but one of the 12 apostles died as martyrs, nobody dies being a martyr in something they don't believe in. 9. The world is literally going to digital money, paving the way for the Mark of the Beast. I honestly hope this helps, seek Jesus while he can be found.

[@cocogold2172]

The way my Preacher put it... It's not about being good, it's about your relationship. If a stranger comes knocking on your door asking to be let in and you say no. They say, but I'm a good person, I've done all these good things. But you still don't know them so you won't let them in. There's no relations. God doesn't care how good you are or how much good you've done. If you have no relationship with him those good things mean nothing.

[@pinapple60]

Well said!

[@karlmason6145]

So you feel you are a better person because you believe something someone else doesn't 🤣🤣🤣

[@pinapple60]

@@karlmason6145 That’s not what they meant it’s the opposite actually someone who is a true born again Christian recognises everything is wrong with them so that’s usually when there under conviction which sometimes lead’s them to Christ repenting and asking for forgiveness and to turn away from sin. A true believer would not judge someone else who wasn’t of the faith, in fact it’s up to Christians to keep other Christians in check because of what they are representing as disciples of Christ.

[@karlmason6145]

@@pinapple60 please correct me if I'm wrong but the Christians I've talked to believe you will go to hell for not letting God into your heart, which is direct judgment for not believing what they do, also religion is not needed to be a good and moral person, some religious people I've meet couldn't be a decent person if God himself intervened.

[@pinapple60]

@@karlmason6145 I can understand that myself about some Christians I’ve encountered that myself, I suppose we have to take into account that human beings are by nature imperfect. I know a guy who is an amazing Christian and we have had some interesting conversations and when I was mentioning something can’t actually remember what it was he said “but that’s making a judgment “ which I hadn’t recognised! Most people see me as the opposite none judgmental so it certainly made me think about my reactions and assumptions about people! He was absolutely right. Yes there are some very good and moral people around who don’t ascribe to any religious beliefs, I know a lot. People often say to me “your a good person “ you don’t have a bad bone in your body “ I however don’t see myself that way I recognise I’m imperfect and I suppose I came to my decision to accept Jesus and repent because of various challenges including serious abuse child exploitation, rape an extremely dysfunctional childhood that was traumatic plus later in life about early thirties I started to feel really angry and bitter also revengeful, I was also having very demonic nightmares struggling with raising two young Children alone, I didn’t like how it made me feel the bitterness reminded me of a cancer eating away at me truly horrible! It was at this point I gave everything over to Jesus praying like crazy at three in the morning as a car was petrol bombed outside my maisonette, I don’t think I had ever felt so alone and isolated there was no where else to turn the experience I had was very profound so from that moment on I felt total peace that I had never experienced and was able to deal with what ever life threw at me. I can only go by my experience but it was life changing. I now at 62 recognise someone had their hand on me all through my life no matter how difficult like the jigsaw pieces all fitted together. Your last question is a very interesting one usually I probably could answer! I hope someone on here can answer that one! without judgement of course! I would probably use the analogy of a parent and Child who is naturally rebellious well some are! You care for unconditionally so when they do something wrong you discipline them for their own good possibly safety they apologise say they won’t do it again but continue to ignore you instead of stopping so then their apology means nothing but you still love them, The key in life is to change our bad ways and strive to walk in truth to be compassionate and lead by example otherwise people will not take you seriously basically Christians are disciples of Christ himself but we can never be as good as him as know one can live up to his standards more we should be striving to be Christ like. I know the Bible says “let every Man work out his own Salvation “ Sorry it’s a bit long winded but I hope someone comes along your path for things to make more sense.

[@maryvandeusen5554]

PERFECTLY CLEAR EXPLANATION! Excellent!

[@kaptn_kage]

the law was written on our hearts

[@brianpeterson8908]

Not at all. It was taught to you by your parents. Here is a suggestion only follow that law then, see what happens when you break our laws. LOL

[@TrackedHiker]

@@brianpeterson8908 Do you believe it's wrong to torture infants to death (without any good reason to do so)?

[@brianpeterson8908]

@@TrackedHiker Do you believe it's wrong to torture infants to death (without any good reason to do so)? That really should be a question you as a cultist answers. I just read that the governor of Mississippi is sending back federal funds intended to be used in helping people negatively impacted by the epidemic in paying their rents. So what will happen in this era of ridiculous rent prices is that children will be put out on the streets and tortured by homelessness. The governor is a self proclaimed christian in charge of the poorest state in the union. So I ask you, do you believe in torturing poor people?

[@elijahbarreau498]

On our heart or i our brain

[@timothywaters3417]

Yes , Romans 1 @David Morgan

[@avictoriouswarrior]

This is soo good!! Thank God for His grace! 🙏❤

[@kimberleerivera3334]

Yes! Thank you GOD!

[@darkeen42]

Odd you're so fond of comforting lies.

[@avictoriouswarrior]

​@@darkeen42 how is it a lie?? Or you live in your own mud of lies?? 😢

[@darkeen42]

@@avictoriouswarrior heaven is A lie.. I know you're so scared of death you need to imagine this blissful happy time after you die but no your consciousness will just cease to exist. I know that hurt your feelings but it's pretty undeniable consciousness is the product of the functions of the brain the brain stops functioning consciousness goes away doesn't go anywhere just like fire doesn't go anywhere when you put it out. This is really kind of impossible to deny if you actually swallow your pride learn about some biology and think critically

[@darkeen42]

@@avictoriouswarrior but just imagine the harm you can get people to do if you dangle the threat of infinite pleasure or infinite tortured in front of people you can get them to give you all their money or go on crusade or be gay people to death or commit the Holocaust or the Spanish Inquisition you can get people to do some terrible things with those promises and threats

[@plzenjoygameosu2349]

God bless you all

[@MarkWirtz-yq1em]

VERY GOOD SPEAKER, ALSO AN INTELLIGENT CONVERSATION WHICH IS BECOMING RARE

[@calummackay8330]

As evidenced by your poorly formed comment. ❤

[@1Corinthians15.1-4]

The best proof is in our children. When a child does something wrong, they feel guilty without having any experience in knowing what's right or wrong. Morale is written on our hearts and minds.

[@cajunking5987]

We evolved as a social species yes

[@icarojose6316]

Evolution can’t explain morality, animals don’t have any and they managed to reproduce just fine. The point of evolution isn’t into building the perfect being, but to build the most fitted to reproduce being, and raping and sleeping around is an excellent tactic for that, monogamous marriage isn’t.

[@darkeen42]

@joeturner9219 we did evolve. Sorry your pride can't handle facts sorry your integrity doesn't care beyond believing makes you feel good. Enjoy your empty promise of heaven. Hope your not doing more damage to humanity then I witnessed you do because of this lie that makes you feel better

[@cajunking5987]

@joeturner9219 where do dogs come from?

[@shaqyardie8105]

@joeturner9219 We didn't evolve? Evolution is a proven fact. There's even evolution in the bible. There are 450 species of dog in the world. There were either 7 or 2 of dog on the ark. Now to get from 2 or 7 different types to 450, they had to have what? EVOLVED. I swear religion makes people thick bastards.

[@paulashe61]

Any successful society has a moral code.

[@gango23]

But all successful societies have different moral codes.

[@gango23]

But all successful societies have different moral codes.

[@jesuschristlives2724]

Uganda

[@icarojose6316]

The Mayas were pretty successful and they killed 100 babies in a single night in the Midgnit Terror Cave (google it).

[@m.vonhollen6673]

It’s a huge leap from that reasoning to 3-in-One, the Trinity.

[@yourenotthatguypal99]

What do you mean Von?

[@darkeen42]

@@yourenotthatguypal99 Christianity hiders morality

[@BeanZBoT]

Forget about Jesus for a second and the Trinity for a second. If his reasoning is right, which is reasonable, then that is evidence that some sort of God exists. Doesn’t have to be Jesus or the Trinity yet, but let’s start slow and figure out if it’s reasonable for there to be some type of God. Then if you reason that there is some sort of God that exists, it is then that you begin to examine the different religions. But just like how Frank Turek said in this video, if there is no God, you have no way to justify good or evil. Any way that you would try to justify good or evil would just be an opinion of yours. If there is no God, there is no objective absolute good or evil, it’s just your opinion vs mine. It’s just Mother Teresa’s opinion vs. Hitler’s opinion. No one is right, no one is wrong, everything just is.

[@carlinesimeon9440]

Amen and Amen! The Truth shall SET US free!. APPLIED TRUTH KEEPS US FREE!

[@boomtothesooner7426]

The people claiming to be moral won't let you see their phone.

[@cajunking5987]

What’s that supposed to mean? My phone is my private property why the hell would I let you see it XD

[@coachking5208]

@@cajunking5987 Ok calm down. Your correct. But emotions defeat the objective.

[@cajunking5987]

Furthermore, what does it have to do with MORALITY?

[@gbh5912]

Great one boom, crazy how people so moral and claiming to believe in a universal conscience are so deep in hiding- haaaaaaaa

[@basedbane787]

@@cajunking5987 the point is that the reason they won't show you is because they have immoral things on it

[@angelabreu319]

God has instilled in us right and wrong. Noah knew from the God he believed in , what right and wrong was.

[@The1CLIMAX]

False

[@angelabreu319]

@@The1CLIMAX thank you for your opinion.

[@InfoArtistJKatTheGoodInfoCafe]

@@The1CLIMAX You wish😂🤔🤪

[@angelabreu319]

@@sterlingfallsproductions3930 yes He did, and showed His mercy and glory for us by allowing Noah to live, build the arch, save the animals and allow Noah to procreate and begin from scratch.

[@Bi0Dr01d]

@@angelabreu319 also, people judge God based on a natural perspective looking at supernatural things, but there's a supernatural side as well that an atheist or agnostic may not be able to relate to. There are two sides to the point of morality in The Bible, a natural side, and a supernatural side, and *both* need to be considered when reading The Bible. For example, God said not to take inanimate objects from the foreign lands that are associated with other gods, because those objects are cursed, and if the people were to take those curses unto themselves, they would become cursed like the thing they took. In Joshua chapter 7, a man named Achan took silver and gold and a Babylonian garment that was forbidden to take, and as a result, Not only was he and everything he possessed cursed, but the curse affected the entire congregation of Israel as well, and God said that he would no longer be with them unless they removed the curse thing from them. As a result, not only did Achan die, but also his family, his livestock, and even the very tint that the items were buried in was destroyed. The shows that the curse is able to spread and effect things around it, and that's why not only Achan died, but everything he had also was destroyed, and it's these supernatural things that seem to be underlying these events happening in The Bible, including the firstborn in egypt, for example. This means that when agnostics make moral judgments against God based on these events, they're making these judgments that pertain to the supernatural which the atheist or agnostic doesn't relate to, and therefore the atheist and agnostic is making it a judgment beyond what they understand. That's not meant as an insult, it's just to say that since the supernatural is involved in it is an underlying source and the atheist doesn't understand the nature of the supernatural, then he's making a judgment beyond his means of being able to relate to the situation, and that's why the atheist should withhold judgment. he took a curse upon himself, his livestock, his family, and even the very tent that all of the items were hidden in.

[@valeriejames4675]

If you're doing good out of a fear of eternal punishment. Then you are not a moral person. A non believer doing good is doing so because its good. So. A better question is. Can you be a Christian and still be a moral person?

[@zacyoung4446]

Actually christians dont do good because they fear hell, see thats the thing many people dont understand, we dont "do good" because we fear hell, christians do not fear hell, because they know where theyre going. We do good because we are taught to be good, whereas in buhdism you have good karma or bad karma and if you have bad karma you might return as a pig or something filthy or worthless, people do good because they dont want bad karma

[@valeriejames4675]

@@zacyoung4446 kinda like how you gotta be good and obey or burn for eternity.

[@JH-tc7wb]

That's not christianity.

[@valeriejames4675]

@@JH-tc7wb I have literally described a core part of Christianity.

[@zacyoung4446]

@@valeriejames4675 actually no, its not "obey or burn" see as a christian we dont need a reason to be good, because we are taught to be loving, to be kind, to be gentle, its as simple as just acknowledging christ as your lord and savior, saying that youre not in control, you see ill put it simply, as a christian, if when we die, we were wrong, what do we have to lose?? Pride?? Were not gonna be embarassed, were dead, however when we die and you come to find that you were wrong then yes unfortuonately it is damnation, but as a parent, if you tell your kids that you have the keys to a kingdom so beautiful but all you want in return, is the same love and attention in return, for you to be given thanks and praise for the extraordinary things youve done, but instead they praise the music that "saved" them not the one who gave that artist a musical ability, people worship tv shows, they put decals of them on their cars, wear clothing representing images from them, when all the things else are praised but the ones who you provide them for never stop to say thank you, you dont talk to them, never ask them for help when you need it, etc you wouldnt let that child into your kingdom either, all you wanted was their love and attention but instead after giving them life and other blessings they become ungrateful and give thamks to the wrong ones

[@kyleverdun4586]

I love this man. He does a very good job of being respectful and answering people's questions while stating facts.

[@Joshuaeway03]

So is it Moral, not to believe in God? Is it Moral not to Follow God's Spirit? Revelation 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

[@achristian11]

Excellent video brother

[@nonpossenonpeccare9104]

No, he is wrong. You can’t be moral without God. God is the Summum Bonum. Therefore if you do not have God you can’t be good. The definition of sin is the separation from God by a human being

[@achristian11]

@@nonpossenonpeccare9104 ACTUALLY YOU ARE WRONG

[@Joshuaeway03]

@@achristian11 So is it Moral, not believe in God? Is it Moral not to Follow God's Spirit? Revelation 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

[@Joshuaeway03]

@@nonpossenonpeccare9104 Amen Brother

[@bombtubejamz739]

@@nonpossenonpeccare9104 yall say anything 😆

[@davidross5593]

Once again, savage Frank

[@therick363]

How’s that?

[@mattslater2603]

@@therick363 He's just a bootlicker. Suckling up to those who tells hum the things he wants to hear.

[@BobReed58]

Bull crap.

[@DeanWuksta]

this guy snake oil salesman, asserting claims with zero evidence as usual, something is good when u do unto others as would be done to you, that’s long before christian crap, don’t need to believe in pretend invisible beings

[@edgarmorales4476]

A "Christian" in these times has redefined as a person who only follow rules and laws. But the TRUTH is: a Christian is someone who practices UNCONDITIONAL LOVE - for that is what Jesus personally practiced; it is what God intends us to do.

[@mikemwanza8027]

@Patriot1 when you love someone you will not hurt or want anything to hurt them. If it's your children, you will guide them in truth.

[@richardhicks9914]

@Patriot1 I'm going to reference the word of God on this one, spare the rod spoil the child, the rod of Correction should be in your hand. You should always love everyone no matter what but do not condone that which is evil or wrong, do not follow in man's footsteps for his path is in darkness.

[@The1CLIMAX]

False

[@ChristinaAI]

False. A Christian is someone who believes Jesus died on the cross for their salvation and accepts the gift. Even Jesus lost his temper with people and called them out. Outside of God and Jesus Christ I believe the only other beings on earth capable of unconditional love is dogs and even then if you beat one enough it will leave you alone. People are incapable of unconditional love.

[@samsonthewyrm9396]

You're deluded. Learn more then speak

[@Laudable_Audible]

His answer is spot on.

[@ir0n392]

I base my morals on the standard that i do to others what i wish others would do to me.

[@cabbey09]

Ok and someone else might base their morals on rape and murder. Neither is right or wrong just a difference of opinion

[@grumpybear741]

@@cabbey09 Does that mean if you didn't believe in god that you would go around raping and murdering? That's messed up. Iceland has one of the highest populations of Atheists...how do you explain that their murder rate is so low in comparison to the US bible belt which has among the highest murder rates in the world? No hate quite like christian love.

[@guitarplyr327]

@@cabbey09 so someone would like to be raped and murdered?

[@HeardFromMeFirst]

@@cabbey09 Difference of opinion..?? If someone attempts to Rape or Murder YOU.. Would that be a right or a wrong thing ?

[@cabbey09]

@@HeardFromMeFirst i would say it's wrong. But the point I'm making is, an athiest can't say it's objectively wrong

[@kiagooch1509]

Well said 👌

[@Joshuaeway03]

So is it Moral, not believe in God? Is it Moral not to Follow God's Spirit? Revelation 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

[@justinernest2363]

"Without a reference outside of humanity"...that's the killer line💯💥

[@McLovin18-88]

Why do you need a reference outside of humanity?

[@justinernest2363]

@@McLovin18-88 because then people can come up with a standard of morality of their own. A majority may not be right, but on the basis that many people agree to it does not mean it should be adhered to. Hitler made his own standard of morality and many people followed and believed him and in so doing, they thought they were doing the right thing, and today we know he was obviously wrong. But why is it wrong and why was he wrong? In a secular world view, life is but an accident and a random mix of neurochemical reactions, so basically what one chemical accident does to another chemical accident is totally irrelevant. This is why an appeal to morality from humanity is wrong. In the Christian world view, we know that we are all made in the image of God and are all equal in His eyes and as such we should treat each other with dignity, respect and humility. The human standard of morality is extremely flimsy and unstable, because my standard of morality may be different from yours, and if I decide to kill you, I am totally justified. Do you see how this contradicts human intuition?

[@dto7341]

Why even cristains Bible? Why not hindu's Geeta, why not someone else's delusional book?

[@justinernest2363]

@@dto7341 it's because it's only the God of the Bible who upholds the universe. Polytheistic gods are often noted to have human qualities, they change their minds quite often and it creates confusion...this is not the case with the God of the Bible. Take the case of Mathematics, a secularist cannot account for the laws of nature or laws of logic and the same can be said for poly-gods religions. Maybe one God has their own logic and another has their own logic who can tell which is correct, maybe one god has power over one specialized thing and not over another making that God not all powerful...and so on.

[@dto7341]

@@justinernest2363 exactly my point all you are saying is my delusional book is superiors to others and that is exactly what they say about your book too.

[@youngjung161]

The justification is an excellent point! I believe that the current subjectivity of morality is such a problem, if everything is equally moral then everything is justified and no one is right nor wrong. People can be moral, but we need a standard to have the why.

[@ironmiketodd]

When it comes to humanity…. Many will FALL because of the biggest sin of all……….PRIDE

[@democratsmakeyoupoorerandr2335]

They had Gods law in Noah’s day. In Noah’s day it was as corrupt, as it is today.

[@jeffbearden9382]

That's why our HEAVENLY FATHER told us that in the end of day's it would be as the day's of NOAH AND IT SURELY IS AND WORSE !!!!!! IN THE NAME OF OUR SAVIOR YESHUA I PRAY FOR ALL TO WAKE, REPENT AND ACCEPT HIM AS YOUR PERSONAL SAVIOR !!!!!! ALL PRAISE,ALL GLORY AND ALL MIGHT BE TO THE MOST HIGH !!!!

[@democratsmakeyoupoorerandr2335]

@@jeffbearden9382 amen Brother!

[@timburks3806]

Their was no such thing as the law of Moses in Noah's day. That came later. In Noah's day their was natural law.

[@democratsmakeyoupoorerandr2335]

@@timburks3806 that’s true brother. However god gave 6 commandments to Adam and Eve, they became the Noahide laws/code. The Noahide laws were then included in the prophesy and instructions Moses received, which became the Torah. Thank you for challenging me, it was good study for me. Let me know if I’m missing something. May god bless both of you!

[@MrPdiddy1969]

Santa Claus I believe too 🤣, wake up people 😵‍💫

[@memastarful]

Well spoken! 👏

[@frank.rittenhouse]

The standard is in society. Morals are man-made. There is no such thing as good or evil outside of our own minds, and you can see that clearly because morals are different in each country, and even each generation.

[@PaulPriceAstro]

It’s like her saying the whole of India is immoral because they aren’t christians. We have intelligence, reasoning and experience, that’s what gives us morals.

[@crystalparker2542]

Ok. But the question is where did we get those things? And most of those are very fallible when it comes to morals. I'm certain that many very intelligent people have committed atrocities. So those are very human and fallible things. Editing to add, experience is no measure. That would be like saying there are no very bad old people and there certainly are. They have plenty of experience though. And even reasoning is no measure. Many many folks have "reasoned" their way into atrocities as well.

[@PaulPriceAstro]

@@crystalparker2542 So we've been told what's immoral, but still people are immoral - intelligent or not they know what they are doing is immoral, which is why they do it mostly in secret.

[@crystalparker2542]

@@PaulPriceAstro yeah, people are still prone to sin because this is a fallen world. So we have "right" printed in our very being, from God. But, we, in all our humanity, want to sin and stray towards "wrong" and leaning upon our own understanding of either.

[@PaulPriceAstro]

@@crystalparker2542 I don’t think it’s entirely like that, I could never ever do what some people do.

[@annetteku1]

Well said👏👏👏

[@RyanRebel54]

Society’s, for one. Don’t need a higher being at all.

[@JH-tc7wb]

Society has to get morality from somewhere.

[@RyanRebel54]

@@JH-tc7wb Not true. If you require religion to understand morality, you lack empathy.

[@JH-tc7wb]

@@RyanRebel54 I think you're getting theism confused with religion. Furthermore, no one is arguing that you need religion to understand morality, just that there is an ultimate source of morality - that source doesn't necessarily have to be God depending on what you believe. Either way, it is reasonable to believe that morality has a source.

[@roach52482]

@@JH-tc7wb Damn!! You just explained how I feel better than I ever have 😕

[@mrbaeman39lolman60]

@@RyanRebel54 But not everyone experiences empathy the same or at all!

[@scottn1019]

Eloquently stated sir . I applaud this .

[@averyhayes7617]

The law was written on hearts before it was written on tablets.

[@brianpeterson8908]

No, not at all. Morals are taught and that is why the morals of bronze age sheep herders who owned slaves is not accepted today.

[@michaelreichelt3503]

The standard might be... Being a good human being, being kind,... Nobody needs an outside standard to measure yourself against if you treat others the same way you expect to be treated by them. Yikes, answers the question and then contradicts himself so badly that she should ask him again 🤣🤣

[@ownytony]

That is until you die. Then you don't get into heaven because you reject God or deny his existence or view his existence as unnecessary. FYI, Jesus is God and the only way to eternal life Another FYI, we are all eternal being. Our consciousness will always exist. Forever existing in hell is not eternal life. Devil in the detail type thing

[@Nick-ij5nt]

He didn't contradict himself at all actually. If God doesn't exist then what is goodness and kindness and why should I care about them? If God doesn't exist then 'goodness' is just your opinion, which is why it isn't a reliable standard.

[@ASF011]

Michael you gonna respond cause he got you there🤷🏽‍♂️

[@BestAnimeFreak]

@@Nick-ij5nt "If God doesn't exist then what is goodness and kindness and why should I care about them?" If someone needs to explain this to you, you are a psychopath ... So it's good that you are conditioned into believing, that there is an invisible sky fairy telling you to be nice or else ... Otherwise you wouldn't ask that question and nobody would need to explain it to you, as you'd already know the answer ... empathy ... "If God doesn't exist then 'goodness' is just your opinion, which is why it isn't a reliable standard." It depends how "goodness" is defined. We can define it in a way, where no imaginary entities are needed for it to exist. Which ones again begs the question ... Why do you, an adult, don't understand that? Seriously, every time a theists acts exactly like you right now, I have to assume they are mentally unstable, have a learning deficiency and are probably dangerous to be around ... Not because they are acting in an aggressive manor, but because they present absolutely no understanding of a very simple concept like compassion ...

[@DevoutSoldierYT]

So that's your opinion then? Hitler and Stalin did stuff too. Were they wrong?

[@serge-alainkouakou9191]

Well said🙏🙏🙏 agreed!

[@rickdawson977]

It always goes back to John 3.16.Only God can search our hearts and help us attain salvation.

[@ryanisber2353]

We evolved to be altruistic because it works... there’s your explanation. Game theory - a population is more fit with altruism as an attribute

[@itypewithmykneecaps1]

Thank you. I don’t get why this is so hard to understand for so many.

[@tythompson4794]

If we evolved to be altruistic, then why do more and more people become evil and self interested? Why is stealing such a big problem? Why is murder such a big problem? There’s seems to be holes in that.

[@ryanisber2353]

@@tythompson4794 anything that improves the rate of our genes being passed down is naturally selected for. Altruism is complicated and definitely not the first characteristic we evolved. We obviously have other characteristics, selfishness is built into us because if we take resources then we have a higher chance of reproducing and having more kids. Altruism is useful because if we take care of those around us, they will find us useful and do the same when we are in trouble. No one said everyone is at all times altruistic. No one said they have all the answers besides the Bible. This is just what has been discovered so far. The existence of selfishness and theft does not invalidate the existence of altruism.

[@Bursty55]

How can you tell if altruism was due to evolution or religion? It is something religion has been preaching for thousands of years.

[@ryanisber2353]

@@Bursty55 there are scientific inaccuracies in the Bible that make it difficult to believe. If you accept these inaccuracies as fact then you must deny science. Why believe in Christianity? Because the Bible says to do so. Why believe in Islam? Because the Quran says to do so. Prove that Christianity is the true religion. The Bible says it is. Prove Islam… Quran says so. The same is true for all religions. “You believe a history text book but not the Bible.” You believe the Bible but not Harry Potter series? Both have magic. The pope believes in evolution. How can I tell altruism came about through evolution and not religion? Simple… I don’t believe any religion is correct. Each is inaccurate in some way. An all knowing god would not come up with inaccuracies. Therefore it must not be an all knowing god. In fact we know more about the universe then the supposed creator of the Bible. Makes you think maybe it was just people of that time writing the whole thing.

[@bboybarafuco]

"It's written in your essence" Eddie Griffith

[@rasheedjamal9091]

Say it again!!!

[@Joshuaeway03]

So is it Moral, not to believe in God? Is it Moral not to Follow God's Spirit? Revelation 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

[@rasheedjamal9091]

@@Joshuaeway03 So a good person who doesn't know YOUR particular book will be doomed?

[@Joshuaeway03]

@@rasheedjamal9091 There is No good Person who Does not know the Father whom is The One who is Good.

[@Joshuaeway03]

@@rasheedjamal9091 You lean to your own understanding to find Good without God. Yet live in unbelief. Living in a state of Unbelief is not a good thing because You refuse to acknowledge and accept the Love and Holiness of your Creator

[@raymorgan5095]

Facts 💯

[@lassoatrain]

Fact: you shall not enter the kingdom of heaven but thru Jesus Christ our lord and savior.

[@piakluth6546]

thank you..... for speaking the truth....🥰 speak life 🥰

[@joeymata9440]

Lol what is the ol saying "there are no atheist in a fox hole"!!

[@atheistskeptic8748]

I was in the Infantry in the Army and have 3 tours of duty, I was an Atheist the entire time along with many battles fighting next to me. Goes to show ol sayings aren't always true.

[@therick363]

People who say that are either ignorant or dishonest

[@JamesRichardWiley]

People trapped in a crisis will do whatever it takes to escape. As an atheist I have no problem praying if I am about to die.

[@atheistskeptic8748]

@@JamesRichardWiley I don't know if I agree with your crisis comment. But, if dying brings you to prayer then why not just believe now? Why should death be the thing that makes you change your mind when you have no better evidence on a death bed then you do now

[@TheBigWeasel_73]

@@JamesRichardWiley You dont know if you are going to have a death bed. People die in car crashes and plans crashes. Choking on food or an Aneurysm in your sleep.

[@cheriholman2892]

pretty amazing

[@edgargaher2899]

Moral is base in biological need like humans we base our race in society to accomplish that we needed some boundaries and standards before even we developed write culture or even create religion.

[@jeffwolcott7815]

This is really helpful to me right now. Thank you sir.

[@chrissoto6424]

Absolutely 💯

[@michaelrunk5930]

No, no not absolutel.. for one thing he can't prove that what we internally believe is right and wrong comes from God. He can only purpose that it comes from God. What we internalize as right and wrong is nothing more then morality that is been ingrained in to us. For hundreds of thousands of years parents have taught certain things are morally wrong. Things like murder, rape and stealing have been taught and ingrained in to us. No one really needs to be told murder is wrong. We all know it instinctively. If murder was allowed to run rampant in a society that society would not thrive. It would die or become like an open sore never heals. We also as individuals see the harm murder can do. As humans we have compassion and empathy. Which allows is to some small degree relate and recognize how would feel if some one we loved was murdered. Not only that but how losing that person can impact out lives. This helps reinforce that murder is wrong. You don't need a creator to have a standard of morality. In word of Spock the needs of the many out weight the needs of the few; or the one. This is very much the reason why humans cling to a set of standard morality. Frank has no evidence to back up his claim. His using his personal opinions to back up the claim that with out God there can be no objective morality. Were what I'm saying can be back up with observation over hundreds of thoundsands of years of knowledge and understanding and philosophy. Last point I'm going to make. We should strive to find logical explanation first before leaping to God. If something can be explain with out God being involved it more then likely means God has nothing to do with it.

[@Bomtombadi1]

Why the obsession with having to justify what is right from wrong?

[@chrissoto6424]

@@Bomtombadi1 I don't think it's about justifying what's right and wrong so much as it's about finding the origin and the reasoning behind it see if there was no reason to justify people would just go out and kill for what they want and take what they felt like they needed whenever they felt like doing it they would have sex with whoever whenever they wanted there would be no reason for any more decisions so it's not about justifying it so much as it's about understanding it the basis of it

[@Bomtombadi1]

@@chrissoto6424 I don’t believe there is any logical reason to justify it. Not without it being circular. I’m talking about reasons why we ought follow any rules. From an evolutionary perspective, there are plenty of reasons why we should not cause harm. There is nothing actually stopping you from refraining from doing so. You will however find it difficult to live in a society which looks down on you behaviour. There is no reason why a god needs to be factored in.

[@chrissoto6424]

@@Bomtombadi1 one could debate that there is no reason that a god should be fractured out. See if God is not real there is no consequence the thoughts and the ideas behind the stories only promote positive behavior and positive interaction with Humanity but if God is real and we ignore the truth because we lean on what we think is right it will be the single-handedly most detrimental mistake a human can make so if meaning towards a god influences my behavior in a positive light and I choose God and if it was just all negativity and there was nothing positive to gain from it I would choose the latter. I believe in science I believe that we evolve I believe that we're not the same creatures we were 100 years ago. But look at where we're at. I heard somebody saying a song one time the good news is son you came a long way. The bad news is you went the wrong way. I believe that the Bible and the Book of Mormon gives me direction I believe my Prophet gives me direction. As I learned to navigate that direction I progress in a more positive manner a man that is not harmful to those around me and manner that allows me to enjoy my life completely without overdoing things

[@konservation6205]

Interesting. Because what I see is the bible used as justification for bigotry.

[@cabbey09]

Please explain

[@konservation6205]

@@cabbey09 if I need to explain it, you need to read the book more thoroughly and then observe how it relates to blatant, real-world bigotry.

[@Jasoframptonyt]

@@cabbey09 I don’t know what he means by bigotry but i do got verses on slavery in the Bible Leviticus 25:44-46 44 As for your male and female slaves whom you may have: you may buy male and female slaves from among the nations that are around you. 45 You may also buy from among the strangers who sojourn with you and their clans that are with you, who have been born in your land, and they may be your property. 46 You may bequeath them to your sons after you to inherit as a possession forever. You may make slaves of them, but over your brothers the people of Israel you shall not rule, one over another ruthlessly.

[@cabbey09]

@@Jasoframptonyt yeah it was basically indentured servitude. It was voluntary to pay off debts. Slave trading in today's standards was illegal and punishable by death. But in your world view where God doesn't exist. What makes slavery bad? You can't justify your reasoning

[@Jasoframptonyt]

@@cabbey09 a the verses I shared were verse on chattel slavery also the bible says you can beat your slave as long as they don’t die in a day or two Exodus 21:20-21 20 “Anyone who beats their male or female slave with a rod must be punished if the slave dies as a direct result, 21 but they are not to be punished if the slave recovers after a day or two, since the slave is their property Slavery is bad because it harms other people as a humanist this is easy to answer

[@mrflo3902]

My morals are based on anime, it's been working out so far.

[@cowboysnation1]

So sad. If you can believe in anime why can't you believe in God?

[@mrflo3902]

@@cowboysnation1 Because anime is cooler? If they ever add wolves that use katanas instead of biting in the Bible. I would think about it.

[@amg5656]

Oh give me a break. There is absolutely no need to refer to an external entity to justify morality. In fact one could posit that if you need an external entity you have not internalized morality and you are not really moral.

[@snotset2165]

Because christians skipped the chapter about free will.

[@jameshughes9288]

When you say internalized morality where does the morality come from and what is it...

[@jesuschristlives2724]

Morals come from God

[@amg5656]

@@jesuschristlives2724 Morals come from you. You are responsible for your actions.

[@execution832]

​@@amg5656 but then morals become relative and matter of opinion if they come from within. While according to Romans 1 right and wrong is written on our conscience our conscience can get seered and in such cases we will have conflict. you say murder is wrong I say according to who? you say according to you and what you feel inside I may feel different.

[@philipstalter4448]

The made up out of whole cloth, Bronze Age standard

[@mattMan24wazzaa]

What’s a better standard?

[@AudunWangen]

This is simply not true, and he knows it. Some standards are ingrained in us through evolution and genes. It's quite obvious, for example, if parents didn't have an instinct to protect their children, the species would go instinct. The same goes for sharing food and resources, not lying or cheating, and generally trying to be a likeable person. It's all beneficial for reproduction and survival.

[@cabbey09]

But who says reproduction and survival is "good"? What if someone dissagrees and says whatever makes them happy is good? And what makes them happy is rape and murder.

[@theholyhulk]

Evolution doesn’t care for true/false beliefs or morality in any way shape or form. And what about those who have the instinct to kill others or r4pe others, pray on children etc? If bad traits can be passed through genetics why are certain “natural” things right or wrong. You still have no standard to judge by, your position falls.

[@theholyhulk]

This still doesn’t negate the argument either, even if evolution was true that wouldn’t negate the fact that things we should/shouldn’t do are still written on our hearts. You’re basically restating what he said but changing the origination, in which evolution without a creator makes no logical sense.

[@AudunWangen]

@@theholyhulk Evolution DOES care about right and wrong, actually, in the context of species survival. Everything is quite fine tuned to pass your genes on. I think even religion is a result of that.

[@GabeGarsia]

I think you should reconsider this statement

[@ashrichman9956]

Beautifully said, makes so much sense. What is it that they don’t get

[@gravitational-wp6jf]

the devil and his spirit minions work hard, but JESUS and His Holy Spirit work real HARDER and in real POWER

[@lepperjoe3491]

This is bs. There is no need for any god at any point.

[@TheBigWeasel_73]

Yes there is, it is scientifically impossible for something to come from nothing. So by that sense, you don’t keep trying to prove gravity pulls us up when it doesn’t, it does the opposite

[@michaelh7741]

@@TheBigWeasel_73 so what created god then?

[@therick363]

@@TheBigWeasel_73 sooo because we can’t explain it scientifically….god did it? Also, why is the only tow choices nothing or god? But god doesn’t need an explanation, god can be eternal and need no begging…but saying energy could be eternal isn’t even considered?

[@Nehscafe2023]

I believe even at the same moment when you wrote this comment, you need God. You wouldn't have been able to write this comment if you are not alive, for you to be able to write, you have to be alive, for you to be alive, you need the spirit, the spirit is not from yourself,it is from a bigger super power that your mind cannot comprehend who is God... From now on, please know that you need God, even if you do not want to believe in Him..... Only fools says, they don't believe in God or there is no God

[@michaelh7741]

@@Nehscafe2023 if you can prove god exists then people will believe. Blind faith is completely moronic.

[@mileschristi8161]

He is completely wrong. Prisons are filled with people who don't know right from wrong.

[@apexone5502]

They know right from wrong or else they wouldn't try to commit crimes in a sneaky fashion to keep from having the cops involved. They just don't care.

[@randomperson-gp8ph]

If atheist materialist worldview is correct then there is no way to justify morality.

[@Twistedpeppermint99]

They know!! They just choose to commit crimes.. They take a gamble, and that time, they got caught!

[@ekkoreigns]

The real question is,"How can a person be moral, AND be a Christian?"

[@mrbaeman39lolman60]

What defines what is moral and is immoral?

[@ekkoreigns]

@@mrbaeman39lolman60 If you need a book to tell you the difference between right and wrong, you have a bigger problem than religion.

[@meursault5861]

@@mrbaeman39lolman60 not Dogma for sure.

[@I_discovered_civilization]

@@meursault5861 Jesus preached against dogma aka legalism aka the Pharisees and called them vipers. Don’t be intellectually lazy and conflate dogma to Jesus. Sure you can find dogmatic instances from certain religions and sects, but they don’t represent what Christianity is or what Jesus claims is salvation.

[@jamariousjohns9234]

@@mrbaeman39lolman60 there is no right and wrong without a goal. If the goal is to have a functioning society where everyone gets equal opportunity, then certain actions will lead you towards that goal while other actions lead away from the goal. Therefore, every action is situational and dependent upon an agreed goal

[@stopwithitnowthx]

Yes God written it on our hearts! Praise be unto his good name

[@pinguy2334]

You cant justify whats right from wrong without a god who kills . Wait what?

[@albertsmith6717]

God can do what he wants with his creation. Why do you kill?

[@nickgagnon3626]

@@albertsmith6717 Wouldn't that make God immoral?

[@pinguy2334]

@@albertsmith6717 I dont. Why does your god?

[@Bomtombadi1]

@@albertsmith6717 yeah, it’s so convenient that god kills on a whim and you praise it as good. All because you believe you are god’s play thing.

[@chesterdonnelly1212]

@@reality1958 if he exists of course he’s malevolent. Why else would he have made the world so violent?

[@sjhoneywell6235]

Ah, Frank Turek, the bottom of the apologetics barrel.

[@calummackay8330]

Yup, poor fellow. 😢😂

[@bluesharkmadness7101]

What is right or wrong depends on which community you live with. The community tends to regulate itself with values for the betterment of the community as a whole to progress.

[@chatwithcatt]

Yes, agree. What about those people who are given over to a reprobate mind? Also, what about those who have lived immorally for so long that they believe they are no longer wrong, similar to people who believe their own lies. Do they still see things are wrong like the rest of us?

[@johnmacdonald194]

Thankyou quote were all fallen the tithes around my neck amen my scriptures around my neck

[@natg_37]

I agree that right and right was written on our hearts. We all fail.

[@insufficientfunds5603]

As an atheist i can say that i live a moral life based on not repeating immoral acts others have and continue to commit. I can easily determine right and wrong by reflecting acts i wouldn't want done to myself.

[@Joshuaeway03]

So is it Moral, not to believe in God? Is it Moral not to Follow God's Spirit? Revelation 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

[@Joshuaeway03]

You are leaning to your own understanding

[@insufficientfunds5603]

@@Joshuaeway03 and your leaning to someone elses?

[@Joshuaeway03]

@@insufficientfunds5603 and who is that someone else?

[@Joshuaeway03]

@@insufficientfunds5603 you are hiding

[@rubytuby6369]

No one’s good enough. The blood, the death, the burial, the resurrection by this gospel you are saved.

[@santiagojironpadilla]

Keep preaching bro!!!!!!!

[@lamontelamonte]

👏 👏 I always ask people the "why" you think something is moral, besides "well we all know"

[@Çerūlean9007]

I agree, but I would say, it's wayyyyyyyyyyy easier to be righteous when you've walked with God for a while. I tried to prove I could be moral as an atheist when I was young and failed miserably. I still fail, but only a 20th as much or so.

[@Çerūlean9007]

@Anon Ymous Some Christians are hypocrites. Hypocrites exist in anything. I used to be atheist though. I wanted to prove to everyone that I didn't need religion to be moral. By the time I was 19 I was hitting rock bottom. I lost the woman I truly loved and drank to get by. One day, God came to me for the first time. 14 years ago. I felt His unmistakable presence. I didn't believe it though. That night, I felt this love that was just beyond anything. I remember thinking, it felt like He loved me 15 times more than I loved everyone I had ever loved combined. Then I thought about all the things I had said against Him, all the things I've done, all the things I looked at in secret on the internet... I felt that He could see it all, simultaneously. But, He wasn't mad. I just felt this mercy that seemed as unfathomable as His love. Guilt hit me like a ton of bricks. I started crying and I told Him, I still wouldn't believe He was real, by the time I woke up the next day. But, He stayed with me that night. When I woke up, the first thing I saw on the TV seemed like a sign. Needless to say, I believed in Him with all my heart. After some years went by I realized, I wasn't righteous at all. I just didn't believe most of the bad things I did were even wrong. Then I raised a little girl and learned many lessons about innocence and righteousness. I learned how badly certain sins had destroyed so many precious things inside me. I wasn't compelled to be righteous by the fear of hell or reward of Heaven. I did it because I know what Jesus Christ did for me on the cross. It's His goodness that got me doing good things. hell might get someone to come to Him. But, the fear of hell doesn't inspire good works. I enjoy it and am addicted to it.

[@dalex60]

Morals came from humanism, not a god whose existence still hasn’t been proven.

[@rosegarden9100]

Because God is inside us❤❤❤

[@EdUForWarD]

Very well said! I like his perspective.

[@OL9245]

« Justify outside humanity » is themistake (and it’s futile) the ultimate justification lies inside humanity.

[@dazzag]

It's sad to see people so lost and vulnerable that they turn to a bunch of stories for guidance

[@brentschmoeckel1420]

This guy is brilliant

[@Alex_Valdo]

It is within our DNA to differentiate between right and wrong, God made us that way...

[@gi169]

Thank you CE

[@jman5390]

Sir you are so right.

[@discerningtruth6848]

The heart is deceitful above all things, deceptively wicked who can know it but God.

[@jugabratjsdeka3207]

God wants us to know what's right and wrong... That's why he gave us such capacity... For me it's a test by God... It's like even in absence of God ability of compassion of one self, doing the right thing, that's what humanity is... That's why God give us the power to choose

[@myg6834]

I do believe today we live in A-day where our conscience has been seared.

[@standasone272]

God has written his Law on our hearts and minds. The 10 Commandments still stand.

[@bernicemartinez3209]

The bottom line to this question. That we all are not perfect that we all are sinners and we need to stop trying to prove to get to each other and learn how to love and appreciate one another as a human being.

[@kingstrojek9937]

I fallow the line between Christian and a moral atheistI have a feeling their is a higher power but I have not had that the divine experience so I just try to live my life the best I can

[@stevespears-ss]

This is not the only standard of goodness. Immanuel Kant made this clear with his moral imperative (what would the world be like if everyone did X?).

[@zamiel3]

If right/wrong has *always* been written on our hearts. Where did God promise, in the Tanakh/Old Testament, a future covenant of human flesh and blood?

[@Treyenght1]

That standard is empathy

[@remoteviewer57]

Because God Gave Us All A Conscience!

[@shadstla]

The atheist can keep the commandment related to love your neighbour. But can never keep the first 4 related to love your God with all thy heart ❤️

[@Joshuaeway03]

Exactly Amen 🙏🏽 🙌🏽

[@cajunking5987]

Nobody can, he doesn’t exist ❤️

[@uncletony6210]

it's amazing that a functioning human being can be so stoopid to ask such a question.

[@MaryGugliotta]

Conscience be your guide😊

[@christinedoe8192]

Brilliant 😇❤️❤️❤️🙌🙌🙌🙏🏽🙏🏻🙏🏿🙏🏾🙏

[@henley7012]

The result is the justification. The human standard is the best test there is.

[@madlensargis8564]

God was very close and communicated and worked with humans until he said it’s time to send my only son to you and give you the chose to receive him through his son . He thought his disciples to spread the word and may all know this .