Why Does Isaiah 45:7 Say That God Creates Evil?

[@CrossExamined]

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[@GreggBuckley]

@CrossExamined Although I agree with what Pastor Frank is saying regarding *calamity* I believe that also *limits* the scope of the text. *Creating evil* (וּבוֹרֵא רָע) would also be a correct translation, because The *Father* and the *Word* created Satan, and in being *omnipotent, omniscient, and omnipresent* the *Divine* would have known that *They* had just *created the future adversary, and evil*

[@hhh-et2vi]

@@GreggBuckley I guess there always has to be a bad guy.

[@hhh-et2vi]

@@GreggBuckley Silly stories, way too much magic in Christianity to be close to believable.

[@GreggBuckley]

@@hhh-et2vi 1 Corinthians 1:18,19.: For the preaching of the cross is to *them that perish foolishness* but unto *us which are saved* it is the power of God. For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent. I will throw up a prayer for you nonetheless. >

[@hhh-et2vi]

@@GreggBuckley I will hope you can find your way out as well.

[@AWholeLottaKalamata]

I was the person questioning Frank on this and value the perspective, clarification, and wisdom he dropped through his answer. Appreciate the efforts and lengths you are going to Frank for you and your team! God bless 🙌

[@botbydblud]

Bless you brother. Thank you for your question!

[@AWholeLottaKalamata]

@botbydblud Thank you and God bless 🙌

[@CrossExamined]

God bless you as well and thanks for tuning in!

[@CrossExamined]

God bless you as well and thanks for tuning in!

[@Rude_Boi]

I thought your name was "A Whole Lotta Calamity" 😂

[@sonnyh9774]

Just by God removing Himself from a situation creates calamity, adversity and evil because the void of goodness allows it to rush in.

[@adventure-007]

Exactly. Because GOD is GOOD, THE GOOD, THE SOURCE... if you go from the source, what option do you have then?

[@lukecrawford9621]

1. God created sex and that's evil 2. God doesn't stop some things/ has favorites that's evil But I'm still a Christian because it's the only way , just wish they was another one 😢😢

[@sonnyh9774]

@@lukecrawford9621 I hear you brother and I have wrestled with similar thoughts. Let me see if I can help you look at it a little differently. 1. God created sex and it's good, beautiful, and pleasing to the Lord when it is experienced within marriage and according to God's plan. Elevating my opinion above God's opinion is idolatry of self and evil. Choosing to reject God is evil. Sinning against God is evil. Marriage is symbolic of God's faithfulness and relationship with us (made in His image), so sex outside of marriage makes a mockery of God's goodness and faithfulness and is very offensive to God... plus their are blessings that we loose and harms to our bodies that we bring on ourselves when we have sex outside of marriage. (The Bible says it affects a man's bones. How? I don't know) 2. True, God allows bad things. He allows us free will choices to reject Him, sin against Him, and sin against others... which harms myself and sometimes lots of other people. God isn't going to force us to love Him like little robots or a software program. He created us in His image and gave us limited autonomous power and decision making ability. If God didn't allow bad things, then that would make God a monster who forces everything. He has the power to step in and save my butt when I totally screw up, and sometimes He does, but He also lovingly allows me to sit in the pile of crap I create (sometimes). God has favorites... true. He loves those who love Him... those who choose Him, and we receive God's favor and blessing. God sees into the future and sees our choices to honor Him and when we give Him the middle finger. And, it is only natural to prematurely love or hate someone who you know will love or hate you. If I know someone is going to betray me in a business venture 5 years in the future, then I'm going to treat him differently today because I already know he's going to "stab me in the back". I don't trust him today because I know what he's going to do. Maybe that's a bad example, but I'll use it for now. It's not evil to love those who you know will love you and generally be loyal and faithful. You serve a God who is more mighty, loving, kind, just, and merciful than we fully know. It's a relationship that truly grows deeper with our experiences together... when we learn more about each other through the tough times. That's when we find out who our true friends are... through the tough times. Do they stick with you or leave you high and dry. Jesus is solid as a rock and has your back through the pain and suffering we endure... even when we let Him down... He's still there... solid. There is no other rendition of God that you could be more proud of. Is this a shocking statement? The devil is very good at poisoning the well and trying to make God look bad. The truth sets you free. Luke is a strong name, and God has many plans and blessings for you!

[@diroupaz5995]

Sex is a good thing God created in the context of marriage​, the devil just perverted it. Don't lose faith in Jesus, God is good and God loves you ! @@lukecrawford9621

[@jennyboone991]

Reading. Is not evil,it's the way it is used thatcan be evil.​@@lukecrawford9621

[@CountrySingerWannabe]

Thank you Lord for providing me with the wisdom to understand what is said.

[@CrossExamined]

🙏🙏🙏

[@rijam4972]

Evil is the absence of God

[@hhh-et2vi]

No, your God is just absent.

[@Thyalwaysseek]

God is never absent.

[@RowdyJr]

​@@hhh-et2vi Like who exactly? Buddha? Allah? The hindu gods? St. Jude? Jesus said in the bible that I am the way, the truth, and the life. Nobody comes to the father except through me.

[@lukecrawford9621]

1. God created sex and that's evil 2. God doesn't stop some things/ has favorites that's evil But I'm still a Christian because it's the only way , just wish they was another one 😢😢

[@Teshuvah_28]

@@lukecrawford9621how do you reason that sex is evil?

[@glodynkuansambu-peterson5024]

I am a person who speaks French. But I often like to encourage readers of God's word who speak another language to seek to read and understand how certain words that seem difficult to them to understand how they are translated into other languages. Here this brother talks about the word “Evil” which means “Mal” in French. But here in this text, the word “Evil” is translated as “Adversity or “Trial” in French. So, adversity or trial, God can always allow them, but this does not make God bad, a villain or the author of evil, but he can allow trial or adversity i.e. d difficult times.

[@GA-Vic]

Yes and merci, wthout "evil", there would be no such thing as Free Will. Without Free Will, there would be no point in living. Think of evil as "training wheels" for a bicycle. A bicycle is a vehicle, which gets you to a destined-ation. Once you are adept at operating the bike, you no longer require the training wheels and throw them away!🤷

[@rainbowodysseybyjonlion]

this is a brilliant point. A lot of people consider adversity and trials in life to be evil, but its something we have to go through as human beings.

[@abigailfoster2467]

Learn Hebrew and read it in the original language.

[@jameskershaw6007]

Interesting, is this where we get the word malevolent from then?

[@victoirem6321]

You are right, in french it is written adversity

[@jetsonmace]

Pastor Frank is right. I just looked it up in Strong's Concordance. The Hebrew word raʿ (רָע) only means ethically evil by extension. It looks like it is more literally translated to mean trouble, calamity, or adversity.

[@travelsouthafrica5048]

many Christians struggle with that translation , it was just the way English people used to talk , I bring calamity is a better way of translating it

[@Glop1177]

​@@travelsouthafrica5048doesn't that just make God evil?

[@loww__official2487]

Yessir, my TLV Bible translate that but Idk about KJV and I think other Bibles may say Disaster instead of Evil

[@rbm6184]

@jetsonmace Exactly. The real meaning in the context "evil" is used means adversity.

[@RaySanders-vp2ql]

Trump is morally and ethical evil and not by extension.

[@mimimorlan]

Brilliant! As it has been said by Dr. R. C. Sproul, “evil is not a thing”. As in, evil is not a noun. It’s actually an adjective. And since it’s not a thing, it’s not creation. And if it’s not creation, it doesn’t have a creator. Therefore, God didn’t, God doesn’t, nor will he create evil. Amazing! 👏👏👏

[@LifeAsALayman]

This doesn't change the fact that it's a concept that exists within the world that he created, so he's still the ultimate source.

[@margrose5]

I’ll have to think about this. I’ve never heard it before.

[@IZZY404_]

@@LifeAsALayman Allowed isnt the same as created.

[@Doyathinkurfunny]

lol human wisdom clearly. Isaiah 45:7 CLEARLY states “I CREATE EVIL” … any other analysis is complete denial of scripture and a blatant lie against God’s plan and sovereignty

[@danielhenderson3247]

@@IZZY404_ That’s true. Would you agree to the following statement? God created the conditions for evil to exist?

[@fabiopereira9748]

God did not create evil in the moral sense. "For you are not a God who takes pleasure in wickedness, nor does evil dwell with you" (Psalm 5:4-5). God does not tempt anyone, for he is the source of "every good and perfect gift" (James 1:13-17). The word "evil" in Isaiah 45:7 comes from an original word that can have several meanings. In this context and in others where God does or brings evil, the word means "calamity" or "punishment."

[@lawrenceeason8007]

So what is evil, and who defines it?

[@one_bone_4_life647]

This is what make reading the scripture difficult for me in that, interpretations can be misguided based on the translation from Hebrew or a word taking multiple meanings in another language.

[@joshuabecker9615]

@@one_bone_4_life647 context is key.

[@joshuabecker9615]

@@lawrenceeason8007 context is key. Darkness is the opposite of light. What is the opposite of peace? Is it moral evil or the disobedience of God's will or is it calamity or harm?

[@Imaginathor-1k0]

Then it should be written as "calamity" or "punishment"🤷 This is why I don't trust the bible nor anyone else especially these preachers

[@arthurels5832]

Short answer: the original word used could be translated to stuff like ‘evil’ ‘calamity’ ‘disaster’ ‘trouble’. God does not create evil and in this context he’s talking about negative consequences in general. Even its form of writing is using concept of opposition. He creates light and darkness. He creates peace and ‘evil’/calamity/disaster/ opposite of peace.

[@mountainwarrior108]

Who do you think Elohim is ! Did you watch the last Olympics ending ritual. Did you not see that the Golden Voyager is meant to be Lucifer ! Who can make straight that which Elohim made crooked ! ( Strongs Concordance 430 Angels / Magistrates of the Supreme God What did the many in one Fallen Angels make crooked. The Human Body. The Lord God made Elohim, Elohim made us in there Image Selem vain show, a representative figure especially an idol 👍

[@kentheengineer592]

😂 Evil Usually Is From Negativity & Negative Consquences of a Specific Case

[@trevhib]

@@kentheengineer592 Negative outcomes can come from many different sources, they are not always from evil intent, which is just a sub-set. Evil comes from those with evil intent. When negative outcomes arise from God's intent, it is on account of justice, not evil.

[@mattr.1887]

If that's true, then why was it translated into "evil"? And if the true meaning is "disaster", then what is the point of having Satan around, since God seems to do the job for him?

[@trevhib]

@@mattr.1887 Translation is never simple. If you want to understand God's word perfectly you start by reading it in the original languages. For those of us who bypass that effort, we accept the imperfection of the translation.

[@ColossiansDisciple]

Thank you for the response, Dr. Turek. God bless you.

[@CrossExamined]

God bless you as well!

[@JakeSummers2424]

(ESV Version) What the verse actually says: I form light and create darkness; I make well-being and create calamity; I am the Lord, who does all these things. I usually stick with ESV.

[@discipledave777]

What the verse actually say: Isa_45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things. Those who teach otherwise, it is because they don't agree with plain Scriptures. If other versions change what is plainly said, those versions are wrong.

[@trillatsunset]

​@@discipledave777I agree, more translations in most versions of the Bible, from my own research, say it as you mentioned it. People are afraid to accept that there may be things they don't like in Scripture. I've seen a great deal of them saying "create evil" not "create disaster".

[@layeekromah4799]

Good question, great answer! Thank you Jesus

[@truthseeker9454]

The rust and cancer illustrations are useful, thank you. One way to think about evil is that it is a deviation or departure from the good. In Genesis 1 God created and it was good. This assessment is repeated six times, culminating in the 7th statement that all God had made was "very good." Evil doesn't have any substance or existence except as a departure from God's created intent. Aligning with God's will is morally good, rebelling against Him is evil. Isaiah 45:7 isn't saying God creates good and evil like moral flavors chocolate and vanilla, as the speaker in the video explained. The prophet is telling Israel that their future isn't determined by foreign nations or their false gods. Just as God used Babylon to judge them for their unfaithfulness and idolatry, He will also use Cyrus to judge idolatrous Babylon and restore Israel to their land. The bottom line is 45:9... "Woe to the one who quarrels with his Maker -- An earthenware vessel among the vessels of earth! Will the clay say to the potter, 'What are you doing?' Or the thing you are making say, 'He has no hands?'" The essential truth is that God will be giving us our performance reviews, not the other way around. Therefore the wise thing to do is to seek Him and make peace with Him, accepting His offer of mercy while it is still available. 1 Come, everyone who thirsts, come to the waters; and he who has no money, come, buy and eat! Come, buy wine and milk without money and without price. 2 Why do you spend your money for that which is not bread, and your labor for that which does not satisfy? Listen diligently to me, and eat what is good, and delight yourselves in rich food. 3 Incline your ear, and come to me; hear, that your soul may live; and I will make with you an everlasting covenant, my steadfast, sure love for David. 4 Behold, I made him a witness to the peoples, a leader and commander for the peoples. 5 Behold, you shall call a nation that you do not know, and a nation that did not know you shall run to you, because of the LORD your God, and of the Holy One of Israel, for he has glorified you. 6 “Seek the LORD while he may be found; call upon him while he is near; 7 let the wicked forsake his way, and the unrighteous man his thoughts; let him return to the LORD, that he may have compassion on him, and to our God, for he will abundantly pardon. 8 For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, declares the LORD. 9 For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways and my thoughts than your thoughts. 10 “For as the rain and the snow come down from heaven and do not return there but water the earth, making it bring forth and sprout, giving seed to the sower and bread to the eater, 11 so shall my word be that goes out from my mouth; it shall not return to me empty, but it shall accomplish that which I purpose, and shall succeed in the thing for which I sent it. 12 “For you shall go out in joy and be led forth in peace; the mountains and the hills before you shall break forth into singing, and all the trees of the field shall clap their hands. 13 Instead of the thorn shall come up the cypress; instead of the brier shall come up the myrtle; and it shall make a name for the LORD, an everlasting sign that shall not be cut off.” -- Isaiah Chapter 55 The "everlasting covenant" (v 3) is the one God has since established by the life, death, and resurrection of Jesus. Trusting in Him is the only wise response to God in view of our guilt.

[@PatSantry]

Calamity isn't a bad thing, for it creates discipline. Being someone who was recently treated for prostate cancer I know this. Like in Hebrews 12:11, “No discipline seems pleasant at the time, but painful. Later on, however, it produces a harvest of righteousness and peace for those who have been trained by it.” or James 1:2-4: “Consider it pure joy, my brothers and sisters, whenever you face trials of many kinds, because you know that the testing of your faith produces perseverance. Let perseverance finish its work so that you may be mature and complete, not lacking anything.” and Proverbs 3:11-12 says, “My son, do not despise the Lord’s discipline, and do not resent His rebuke, because the Lord disciplines those He loves, as a father the son He delights in.” It enables us to grow, imagine if the world was this soft cushy place where no calamity entered into your life? You would lack discipline, and when hard times truly came, you would be ill prepared.

[@G0K3001]

God Bless You I pray your healing and victory continue.

[@RaySanders-vp2ql]

@@PatSantry Oh yea of little faith. Why didn't you pray your cancer away?

[@wataboutya9310]

Thanks for that explanation.

[@lukecrawford9621]

1. God created sex and that's evil 2. God doesn't stop some things/ has favorites that's evil But I'm still a Christian because it's the only way , just wish they was another one 😢😢

[@spencerbrown5063]

By creating light evil is defined. Evil the absence of light.

[@khatack]

It's not quite that simple. Darkness is not evil, but all evil is born out of darkness because evil cannot stand the light. Evil NEEDS darkness in order to exist, but evil is NOT darkness and darkness is NOT evil.

[@user-br3ou2cs9o]

And no wonder, for even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light. 2 Corinthians 11:14

[@RaySanders-vp2ql]

Nonsense. Evil is not just the absence of good. Evil is evil.

[@user-br3ou2cs9o]

@@RaySanders-vp2ql Are good and evil oppositional on the scales ⚖️ of good and evil?

[@mattr.1887]

Correct. God created evil.

[@martinkimmc]

Why is it so hard for people to take God at his word? You can rationalize all you want but there is only one actor in the world who does everything that is done in this world, whether good or evil.

[@JonsTheSquire]

In both my my French translations, that part of Isaiah 45:7 is translated like so : "I give prosperity and I create adversity" (Bible Louis Segond) "I lead to success and I create misfortune" (Bible Hurault)

[@genuineapbt6690]

I understand what Pastor Frank is trying to say, but he’s only half correct. I’m not sure who his audience is. This is the first video I’ve ever seen of what looks to be college students. The Bible is clear. God is the cause of all things. He is sovereign Lord. And either that is always true or He ceases to be God. God does not sin. Either that is always true or He ceases to God. So how can God be sovereign over all things and nothing is out of His control even the evil in the world, and also be a sinless God? A wrong answer is to think God “allows evil”. That would suggest that there is someone that is equal in power and sovereignty to God and has caused evil and has sent it down the corridors of time surprising God as if he was not expecting it and His only alternative is to step aside and allow it. I’ll give 2 quick examples where God is the “ultimate cause of evil” and yet without moral culpability, and of course without sinning. Not only that but in this God never ceases to be perfect and do only good. Genesis 50:20 “As for you, you meant evil against me, but God meant it for good in order to bring about this present result, to preserve many people alive.” The scriptures here clearly involve God in the act of Joseph and his brothers. It does not say that “God allowed it”, but it’s clear that God meant it. This means that God was in full control of this evil and caused it in an ultimate sense for good. But Joseph’s brothers were the proximate and immediate cause and their only reason was for evil. Another example, and what I believe to be the best example of this, is the most extreme sin in the history of the world. The putting to death by crucifixion of Jesus Christ. The perfect Son of God. Acts 2:23 “this Man, delivered over by the predetermined plan and foreknowledge of God, you nailed to a cross by the hands of godless men and put Him to death.” ‭‭Here we see that Jesus was delivered over by God’s own predetermined plan. God sent His Son to die for believers. That direct action by God the Father was an unmatched demonstration of God’s love John 3:16, and yet the scriptures are clear. God’s plan was carried out by the Jews that hated Christ and He was nailed to the cross by the hands of godless men (the Romans) God did it for our good and men did it for evil. I know this is hard to understand, but as believers, we should never try to rescue God from God. Receive the clarity of scripture and may it always be the cause for us to fall on our face in worship of an awesome God. ‭‭

[@MrSneakSneak]

I strongly disagree, I see the point you are trying to make about God being in control of the situation. But not once do you mention the role of Lucifer/Satan in this. If God sends evil, and was in control of all "evil" for the greater good, then God caused Adam and Eve to fall. Makes the world to fall into pain and suffering. Causes Himself to die. This is contrary to God's character. Your statement that for evil to exist without God being the author of it, that some equal being has power contesting God. But this is a misdrawn conclusion. God loves us, gives all His creation freedom to choose. Satan chose himself, slanders God by trying to usurp him. All that has happened from the beginning of his rebellion in heaven to now and to the end is his challenge of God's authority with himself. All the worlds beyond us (as mentioned in revelation, the councils of elders, or in Job) that God has created are watching, and have seen Satan be disputed through the display of Jesus's love for us. And for that reason he was willing to die for us. The sanctuary outlined in Exodus is God showing us his heavenly plans for the future. God did not plan rebellion into the intended plan of salvation, that was mankind's choice when it came to the cross. It is written about, however, as God foresees all.

[@genuineapbt6690]

@ this is a classic argument of free Will. So you believe in a God that has predetermined some things and has sovereign control of some things, but not all things. This God that you worship stands back and watches history unfold before his eyes and reacts to the freedom of man and Lucifer and everyone else that he has created. That is not the god of the Bible. You are using portions of scripture that you did not quote by the way, you just mentioned the books, for a pre-text to conform to your presupposition. God is either in control of all things, even the fall of man and even the fall of Lucifer. Ask yourself this if Lucifer was in heaven where there was no evil and he was an angel. Where did the evil come from that? He willingly obeyed with pride to assert the position of God.

[@ProphetsAmongUs]

The original text if I remember correctly did NOT say that God created evil it said something like “he creates the place that punishes or holds evil” or something pretty cloe to that.

[@kevincaruthers5412]

Then why would the translators use 'evil' instead of the more easily understood 'calamity'? . The answer is... not all translators use 'evil' in the verse. There are MANY translations of the Bible that do not use the word 'evil'.

[@discipledave777]

The Word of God says: Isa_45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things. Any version that changes what the Word of God actually says, is not the Word of God, but merely a translation. i am even now currently working on a Translations of the entire Bible. It is not the Word of God, but is a translation of the Word of God.

[@fathersonandspirit]

Thank you for this. Evil is a lack in a good thing. So Evil is GOD withdrawing HIS Peace, or Blessings etc. as a sign of HIS displeasure. This lets me know that GOD has the right to punish me and still be Just and True and Holy. LORD Please 🙏 have Mercy on me.

[@FrankRoque3.0]

And God can do that because God is God. That is all.

[@tylerbuck9347]

May I talk to you

[@FrankRoque3.0]

@tylerbuck9347 sure thing. What is that thou hast to say?

[@tylerbuck9347]

I will start off by saying I believe 101% I'm not saved, but that's not what I'm here for: I came because I have been led to the idea about Paul being a false illegitimate teacher, and that has FLIPPED my "religious life ( but I don't feel it's worthy to be called a life of faith ) on its head, Paul was the reason I thought nothing of obeying the Moses law, but now I'm kind of having a major rethinking in every area of theology, including stuff like the purpose of Christ dying, what the "narrow path" is, and I'm currently stuck on a question: I had a bodily discharge yesterday, ( semen ) and have basically been trying to "excuse" my way out of a few things; first point: leviticus 15 chapter is where I'm talking about, does semen purification involve the things talked about in bodily discharge discussed at the beginning of the chapter? I have a pool table mom got, and was not wanting to have to go through rinsing it being careful not to get wet the felt, and carpet, and am at such a low point of wandering in the dark I almost wanna just accept my damnation and live comfortably now, does the pool table count as a wooden 'vessel'? As well as a dresser drawer, pool cues, a regular table, and doors, all made out of wood? This is mostly a lazy thing ( like a depressed/cowardly lazy thing ), so don't pity me, but what do you think?

[@tylerbuck9347]

@FrankRoque3.0 also how willing would you be to get up and leave your house and family suddenly, if you thought you had to for any reason, such as, they are not saints?

[@FrankRoque3.0]

@@tylerbuck9347 I mean,. I'm homeless at the moment. Enjoying the cold. As far as semen discharge, if it's during sleep, that's ok. You have no control over that. However, the carnal physical touching is not. I struggle with it as well. I'm doing well with it lately. Now the pool table, I don't know. At this point, everything in this world is ungodly. Now the question of Paul, Paul had some good points to make. You sure did have a lot to say there. If you would like a more refined answer. Please, one question at a time.

[@mycynthia1]

Love never ends. As for prophecies, they will pass away; as for tongues, they will cease; as for knowledge, it will pass away.

[@I-Am-He]

God does not contradict Himself, he is consistent with the entirety of his nature. For instance if God says that He is love in one verse… and then we take another verse where He is then raining hellfire out of heaven from the Lord above and then say that these actions are contradictory… then you’ve missed the important point… that also present within His nature is His lack of tolerance for sin.

[@littlemimus]

is slavery a sin? why did he tolerate that then?

[@lukecrawford9621]

1. God created sex and that's evil 2. God doesn't stop some things/ has favorites that's evil But I'm still a Christian because it's the only way , just wish they was another one 😢😢

[@littlemimus]

@ then your god is not all good and all loving and doesn't deserve worship.

[@enigmoxical]

@@lukecrawford9621 Who told you sex is evil? Certainly not the Bible.

[@lukecrawford9621]

@enigmoxical because God made women so attractive, it leads to bad things

[@jdwillis007]

YashaYahu 45:7 forming light and creating darkness, making peace and creating evil. I, 𐤉𐤄𐤅𐤄, do all these.’

[@johnvfx143]

I've often wondered about this passage in the Bible. I'm constantly reading through the whole Bible. I'm on my 8th time through I think. I appreciate the explanation. I've thought about learning Hebrew to get clarification on such passages, but have not set aside time for such things at this point.

[@FrancescaA00]

Well sad. I had an old friend who stopped believing the Bible and being a Christian because of this verse and the story of Elisha and the bears. I noticed when this verse is used they generally use it in the King James Version and no other translations.

[@ReapingTheHarvest]

Gosh they must have had such weak faith to lose it by one verse. I hope my faith is never so weak.

[@viveroevangelho]

Seek the Lord while he may be found; call upon him while he is near; ✨🍂Isaiah 55.6

[@Logan8x]

Basically Almighty God can do whatever He wants ..

[@joelercoaster]

Someone who actually gets it.. it’s not up to us to question, if Gods wants to do ANYTHING he can.. he’s God. What he decides is just, is just.

[@garmarrod]

Exactly. God does what He pleases.

[@tylerbuck9347]

May I talk to yall

[@BenChung78]

Wait a second GOD is by definition better at literally everything conceivable that matters than the rest of us combined !!!! So of course if anyone should ever do anything He wants it ought to be GOD.....certainly more so than the rest of us....common sense. Its not like anyone else can do anything better than GOD......its impossible for anyone to do better than GOD....thats why we should leave judgement to GOD....He knows best....

[@pingerfrints6716]

"Creating good and evil is to distinguish which of the two will humans choose.Its like choosing a chamomile tea or energy drink.And u are the one to choose to which of the two you would like.Would you choose chemical or organic?

[@tammyporter4848]

Thats a Mandella Effect. It should say calamity.

[@somerandom3247]

What is meant by calamity?

[@Imaginathor-1k0]

If the bible got Mandela effect then it isn't to be trusted

[@SeekTruth489]

Amen- it's a Mandela Effect 💯!! God cannot create evil!!! It's obvious it's been changed supernaturally. The voice.......it's not the same voice.......

[@marktaylor1469]

Where light is darkness cannot dwell, Where no light is darkness is automatic. God is Love

[@discipledave777]

Two things existed before God created anything. 1) Darkness 2) Coldness

[@Edward-yd3zr]

The phrase " the absence of God ", is an absurdity. God have no beginning and never ending. He is eternal. It is impossible for God to be absent.

[@enigmoxical]

Paul agrees (2 Corinthians 5:18).

[@geronimocrazyhorse]

Definitely agree, but variability of God's intentional influence in the workings of His creation does exist. It's not as though He is unable to or that it is impossible for Him to cause variability of His own influence within His creation that He is always present in, in some sense.

[@franklinviele2399]

Finally someone has some sense. God created everything both good and bad.

[@geronimocrazyhorse]

@franklinviele2399 God created everything, yes, but He chose to allow some degree of freewill as is ABUNDANTLY apparent from cover to cover through the ENTIRE Bible. Or is it impossible for God to allow some degree of freewill in His creation, so that those who would use their God-given freewill against His will are directly, independently and personally responsible for making choices against God's will? It's not impossible for God to make such a scenario and that is the scenario we see throughout the Bible.

[@franklinviele2399]

@ free will is used in scripture when discussing offerings and the suggested choosing of choosing good verse evil. None of that has to do with whether or not God chose to make good and evil. He created satan. Satan did not creat himself. He rose up Pharaoh for his own purpose. There is perfect will of God.. Determined will of God.. Permissive will of God.. I’m of the mind set that all 3 are possible and happening simultaneously during our experience. As for our own free fill. (Within my limited understanding..) it’s still a fixed game of ever changing moments and refining. …. If people only knew how this world works and how many spiritual players operate through the flesh as hosts to control the populations it would make their heads come off. We are living real illusions fed by light screens and regurgitated words. Who hath known the mind of God. Levels to this. As much as I know.. I know nothing save Christ crucified. It’s better to rest knowing he has it all figured out because it’s exhausting trying to. Let him worry about the details and save yourself the head ache going back and forth.

[@stevesimmons1279]

Wow. That really is a great explanation, i truly never thought of it that way.

[@dragonsigner]

The first mention of Evil was in Genesis in the garden of Eden aka the TREE OF KNOWLEDGE OF GOOD AND * evil*. But we know before that, Lucifer was the angel of praise and jubilation and wanted God's power. And was kicked out. And turned into the devil and evil itself The question is. Did Evil create itself. Where did evil come from? How did it start? But who put the tree there? God did.

[@phoenixgamer1565]

God is all-knowing. This means He knows all evil things. However, He is Holy and without sin. Evil originates when we use our free will to do that which is against God's nature. Evil is a lack of moral 'goodness'. There are obvious varying degrees of evil acts. All of them are against God's perfect righteousness. God putting the tree and giving the command to not eat of it is not evil. We had a choice and failed. Yes, God knew we would fail. But, Him knowing we would fail does not make God evil. I would argue, it may have been evil if God sent us all to Hell without any way of salvation. But, God's love and mercy provided us a way through Jesus Christ (God's Word in the flesh) to be reconciled. We made a choice and became spiritually dead. We now have a choice to choose salvation and eternal life.

[@bobhubson8511]

So what was the point in giving angels (especially Lucifer) free will??? Angels can't repent. Angels aren't eligible for salvation. Angels are supposed to do God's bidding. God definitely screwed the pooch when he decided Angels would have free will like humans.

[@somerandom3247]

​@@phoenixgamer1565 Free will is incompatible with a world where an all-knowing god exists. They contradict each other.

[@phoenixgamer1565]

@@bobhubson8511 The point is God created beings with a free will. He did not create robots. God can do what He chooses to do. And there is a big difference between angels and humans. And no, they are not there to do God's bidding as some sort of slave. They can choose to serve God or rebel against Him. The same way that humans can choose to worship God or not. Angels were already in the Heaven realm. God did not provide a way of salvation for angels because they were already there and they chose to rebel.

[@mattyounts9400]

@@phoenixgamer1565We do not choose salvation. He chooses us.

[@PastoralTeacher]

I love short and to the point videos.

[@CrossExamined]

😎😎😎

[@jennyreid82]

We wouldn't know what good was if there was no evil to compare it too.. God is all knowing, and so Lovely.I love Him ❤️

[@enigmoxical]

Best comment yet 👍 which explains why God DOES create EVIL.

[@przemeksledziewski1973]

Hence why Adam and Eve did nothing wrong.

[@tongakhan230]

God did not create evil so that we can appreciate good. James 1:13 When under trial, let no one say: “I am being tried by God.” For with evil things God cannot be tried, nor does he himself try anyone. The word is calamity. God brings in calamity like when he overthrew the Egyptian forces and saved his people.

[@enigmoxical]

@ It can mean either/or, depending upon the context. In Genesis 13:13 the same Hebrew word is used to describe Sodom. Which definition do you think best applies there?

[@freshliving4199]

Agreed, just as courage cannot be revealed without danger, so good cannot be revealed without its opposite evil.

[@theneverwas2835]

Our Lord God created everything that is. Praise Jesus Christ.

[@jonathanclemens4660]

It's natural evil a.k.a. adversity, not moral evil

[@Imaginathor-1k0]

But the bible doesn't say which. So it can be both.

[@smokingcrab2290]

What's the difference

[@davidarvingumazon5024]

​@@Imaginathor-1k0 That's inconsistent. You should choose context dependent.

[@mattr.1887]

Well, "evil" normally means...evil. It's not a word that typically means something else. If the true meaning is "challenge" or "trial" or something like that...sure, all well and good. But that's not what the passage says. It says "evil". Maybe God just got it wrong.

[@jonathanclemens4660]

@@mattr.1887 That's how the word is used most commonly today. It's not the only definition of evil. The categories of natural evil and moral evil are well known in discussions. You also need to look up the Hebrew word. You should actually study before jumping to an answer instead of having the attitude of always assuming the word in a passage automatically means the one definition you're familiar with.

[@ginahochstein3716]

I kind of understood the passage'I create evil' in this way: God is the exclusive creator of absoloutely everything. If beings and forces want to turn against God, He is still the one who originately created them. Stating that there is only one source, only one creating power.

[@siggi5180]

So does that mean that everyone who perishes was the will and plan of God from eternity ago?

[@jla1101]

So cold is just the absence of heat and darkness is just the absence of light and evil is the absence of good?

[@gi169]

Thank you CrossExamined.

[@canigetachannel]

Thank you, Lord.

[@gi169]

@canigetachannel Indeed my friend . The Lord is good to us and so we thank the Lord for giving us the things we need... God bless and keep you.

[@johnzahm193]

I've never been able to find the answer to this question, thank you for this.

[@CrossExamined]

We're glad this was helpful to you!

[@discipledave777]

satan is evil. Did God create satan? There is your answer then.

[@johnzahm193]

@@discipledave777 mankind is evil, did God originally create us that way?

[@discipledave777]

@ says "mankind is evil" Mankind is not evil nor Good, but has the propensity to be either. i am mankind, and i am Good. Antichrist is mankind, and he is evil. No baby is created Good or evil. Now they might be predestined to be Good or Evil, that is another story. Even satan himself was not created evil. Only God created Lucifer with the ability to become Good or Evil. and he chose evil.

[@calpespa4055]

Why you try so hard to explain that God is not the Creator of all things? Who else?

[@franklinviele2399]

Exactly. Because they can’t fathom that God may be more then just a loving forgiving being. God made evil and wickedness. He is the maker of all both good and bad.

[@PewGoBoomLife]

God did not create evil! I guess you missed the part in the Bible where human Jesus states…. Why you call me good, only one is good and that is God the father. Fact is as stated in this video, the word there is not evil. I know because I speak multiple languages. And the English translation decided to put that word down as evil. All other languages put it down as affliction, or trials. Which with in the context of the Bible and who God the one that does bring, calamity, affliction, trials. I would suggest you read the Bible more, and together we can all come to understand that God truly is good as Jesus the Son of God the Father stated.

[@calpespa4055]

@@PewGoBoomLife Show me some Scriptures that there is another creator and that God is not creator of all things, not your ideas. Do you try to teach others? So explain this verse because it seems that God has some purpose with creating evil... but you will give me now correct explanation of this thought in the Bible, let me see. Behold, I have created the smith that blows the coals in the fire, and that brings forth an instrument for his work; and I have created the waster to destroy. (Isa 54: 16)

[@calpespa4055]

@@franklinviele2399 Yes, they need it for teaching "God loves all people same". How big is love from God to those who will end up in hell?

[@PewGoBoomLife]

I would recommend you read the Bible a bit more. Simple place to start. And God looked upon all He created and stated it was Good. Gen 1:31…. ALL was good not just half. So tell me again how God created evil? Again the only Bible is the English or that states He created evil, when in reality Sin created evil! Not following God Good orders gave birth to evil.

[@leroyyates40]

Hey Sir , I guess I stand corrected from my own jumping to conclusion of your explanation of ISAIAH 45:7. All I seen was GOD creates evil. That instantly didnt settle well with me. My apologies. I agree with your explanation of the verse. But, I also know the direction I came in explanation is accurately correct too. Preach on BROTHER !!! AMEN !!!

[@BrianBaldridgeC]

Cold is the absence of energy. Darkness is the absence of light. God is light. The absence of God, is darkness. Darkness is evil. God cannot be in the presence of sin (darkness / evil). Therefore, when God removes Himself from sin, evil exists.

[@danielhenderson3247]

I was told God was omnipresent. Thanks for sparking my interest to research with your comment.

[@lawrenceeason8007]

Why does this god make the choice that it cannot be in the presence of sin? I mean, does this god melt or die? And who decides what evil is?

[@BrianBaldridgeC]

@, God IS omnipotent, omnipresent, and omniscience. But, He cannot be in the presence of sin. The Bible tells us so. And when the sins of the world were laid on Jesus at the cross, God and Jesus we separated for the first time. That is why Jesus said, “My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?” Matthew 27:46 and Mark 15:34.

[@BrianBaldridgeC]

@@lawrenceeason8007, you question is rooted in worldly thinking. You are applying your limited view of holiness to the question. We do not and cannot understand what pure holiness is. And we won’t until we get to heaven.

[@lawrenceeason8007]

@@BrianBaldridgeCI’m asking you why can’t this god be in the presence of sin? The bible doesn’t tell you?

[@kimwestwood8840]

It says he creates calamity. Not evil.

[@mangaranwow2543]

I agree with Frank here that evil is the abscence of God.

[@khatack]

Not so. Evil is an OPPOSITION to God. Absence of God is not enough, you have to stand in OPPOSITION to God in order to be evil.

[@Edward-yd3zr]

The phrase " the absence of God " is an absurdity. God have no beginning and never ending. He is eternal. It is impossible for Him to be absent.

[@mangaranwow2543]

@@Edward-yd3zr - I am the first and I am the last, ( Isaiah 44: 6-8 ) - I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End. ( Revelation 22:13 ) The bible seems to disagree with your statement.

[@hhh-et2vi]

Listening to the Christian God can lead to evil, and no real or imaginary character in history has (moved more humans from one place to another) than the Christian God.

[@hhh-et2vi]

​@@mangaranwow2543The Bible is full of multiple choice.

[@paulremnantone1102]

Revelation 17:17 I will put into the hearts of men to fulfill his word!

[@eq2067]

Don't pay any attention to these clowns that think they know more about something so obscure than anybody else.

[@MartyHarrison-cx4gu]

This video is a prime example of why there is such a lack clarity in the religion leading to the many versions of christianity. Which also is the reason so many other religions exist . Why hard core believers are okay with the so called creator of the universe creating a book inspired by it with so little clarity ,leaving so much to interpretation , leading to so much disagreeing within the religion itself is incredible ! His excuse or his interpretation of what evil means here is one of many . But since there is evil and God created everything , not a hard one to. figure out lol. Even when people ridiculously try to bring the Devil in the mix as an excuse God still allows it . Then comes the free will excuse on top of that and it just never ends. Would be great if just once talks like this ended with honesty , reason and logic !

[@larzman651]

Yes , if you do sinful things you get a spiritual spanking. For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. 17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. 18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. 19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil

[@rachelhayhurst-mason7846]

Also "Those whom I love I reprove and discipline, so be zealous and repent." Rev.3:19 😊

[@lawrenceeason8007]

So is evil disobedience to god?

[@larzman651]

@lawrenceeason8007 no , the demons recognized JESUS and begged him not to torment them before the time. Is that was you was asking? Your question was confusing

[@larzman651]

@lawrenceeason8007 if you do evil things , you disobey GOD , yes.

[@lawrenceeason8007]

@@larzman651 I’m simply asking for the definition of evil

[@fractionalist]

I once said that, as an atheist, and immediately was struck dead, and rebuked, God told me I had blasphemed His Holy Spirit, I repented and was resurrected.

[@busybody1474]

The only evil being done on earth is committed by people, you can never blame that on God.. it was us who brought evil into the world, if it wasn't Adam and Eve it would have been you and me Don't kid yourself.. and God graciously tolerates evil for now in the hope that all will repent and be saved.

[@chloemartel9927]

Amen.

[@T0Mmichael1234]

🙏 ❤️

[@mattr.1887]

Why do you ignore what God says?

[@chloemartel9927]

@@mattr.1887 do tell us what God says...not your idea of what He says.

[@enigmoxical]

In the end everyone WILL repent and be saved. Every knee will bow and every tongue will confess Christ.

[@realityisbest8963]

Simple. There are 2 types of "evil." There is moral evil, and there is calamity. Moral evil comes from man and from choosing the ways of death, which is outside of God's will. In order for us to choose to love God, it requires a choice. God does not force love. Therefore, it is destructive "evil." Not moral evil. The contrast in this verse is "peace." God is destructive against sin.

[@rainerweishaupl1103]

what a great answer. Good that he asked that question to begin with

[@indigofenrir7236]

Southern California mocked God; God brought them calamity. A very hot calamity.

[@littlemimus]

the idea that the best solution god has because "california mocked him" (whatever that means) was to burn an entire 23,654 acres is insane. Was it part of gods plan to punish devout christians by burning their houses and burning christian churches?

[@youknowwhat1352]

the fires are man-made

[@littlemimus]

@@youknowwhat1352 I know they are. But people like the one i replied to make zero sense in saying god caused this. Why would god burn down one of his own churches?

[@Onlythenarrowroad]

@@littlemimusdepends on what the church is doing. Church as in the body of Christ is not the same as a church denomination.

[@jeffblaginess812]

That's funny. Lol

[@Spiritualstepper]

God cannot and does not create evil, I don’t like the title but this teacher is solid

[@chloemartel9927]

This video made atheists foam at the mouth.

[@anguschiggins2161]

I really don't think it did.

[@chloemartel9927]

@anguschiggins2161 yet here you people are whining at the top of your lungs.

[@gi169]

Yep, their natural state really...😂

[@chloemartel9927]

@@gi169 yep, rabid.

[@festushaggen2563]

Yeah, they’ve been misusing that verse for their accusations for a long time. They’re very protective of it.

[@noeeon9910]

God can do what he wants. He is well within his righteousness. Its not his fault we are not spiritually mature enough to understand him.

[@JackStraw-d8b]

We will just redefine all words to agree with our viewpoint.

[@BlueVariableGames]

Or....is it possible that we simply refuse to ignore context and the original translation? The ESV Bible I own reads "calamity" in that verse. The oldest OT manuscripts are over two thousand years old and in Hebrew. It is disingenuous to say he is just redefining words to fit an agenda.

[@hayfieldhermit9657]

Redefining an over 400 year old English revision of an almost 500 year old English translation of an over 2,000 year old Hebrew text....... For example the KJV translation also uses the word "prevent" and it has absolutely nothing to do with preventing. It literally means "go before". There are a lot of places in the KJV that the English used has to be defined because it is not correctly understood hundreds of year after it was completed. Then there are the places where the KJV translators had to make choices. Not all translators agree with all of their choices.

[@Youdonotmakepizzastaringatoven]

The way I've been taught to understand this is that God sometimes creates or brings about what seems evil to us, by our limited human understanding, but is actually good or for the good, if we could see the whole picture from His perspective.

[@tongakhan230]

The word actually means CALAMITY. God creates calamity in instances like when he destroyed the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah.

[@ZacharySiple]

In the Garden of Eden, God created the tree of knowledge of good and evil. When they ate it, despite being forbidden, God said that man knows good and evil- see Genesis 3:22. Before sin, God knew what sin was- that murder, adultery, lying, etc. are wrong. Adam and Eve, in paradise, did not. They did know after sinning. So yes, God created evil, by creating the STANDARD of what is evil. That standard of good is what we break every time we sin, and that's why we need Jesus.

[@ic7481]

I don't think you understood the explanation given in this video. We are told by scripture that God is holy and righteous by his character, and there is no darkness in him. If parents have a child, and they are perfect parents, but that child grows up and becomes a criminal, does that make the parents responsible for those crimes? Absolutely not, and so I think your logic is flawed.

[@ic7481]

A slight modification to what I wrote: It can't be claimed that the parents "created" the crimes, even though they brought the person who commited them into the world.

[@charlieboy2587]

A woman ate fruit , that's why there's sin ?

[@enigmoxical]

@@charlieboy2587 Of course not. The garden story is an allegory, not literal history.

[@siggi5180]

​@@ic7481 And what human parent, who is perfect and full of love, would father their children (creatures) to perdition or eternal suffering? Which of these parents would throw their children into a lake of fire?

[@refuse2bdcvd324]

God is good!

[@watchmanofthenight2700]

It is true, God is the source of all evil. I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things. Isaiah 45:7 And also Amos. The Lord simply states the truth, which is what He has done from the beginning when He formed the light, and created life. God is the source of all evil, but He is not the cause of it. It is with His life alone that all people live, for we have none of our own -"In him we live, and move, and have our being." Acts 17:28. Every motion that is made, every thought, every word, requires the exercise of power; but the power is not inherent in the person that moves, it comes from God, for "There is no power but of God." Rom. 13:1. The truth is that "he giveth to all life and breath, and all things;" Acts 17:26 But the Lord does not rule in the heart of wicked men. The power which is given to men to fight and blaspheme God, and to commit all sorts of wickedness, is simply the power of God perverted, just as the performance of righteous acts, and the utterance of praise is God's power given free course. God gives *ALL* power unto *ALL* men, what men do with that power is their choice.

[@mikerukavina4551]

Go to the Hebrew... look at translation as well as context. As Frank would say, "Evil". What do you mean by that?

[@margrose5]

Did you not listen to what he said about the meaning (translation) of evil here?

[@watchmanofthenight2700]

Shall a trumpet be blown in the city, and the people not be afraid? shall there be evil in a city, and the LORD hath not done it? Amos 3:6

[@harveywabbit9541]

Isaiah Chap. 45. Summer succeeds spring, and winter, summer; and as (chap, 43) Jacob (spring) was called, and (chap, 44) Israel (summer) was chosen; so, in orderly sequence, may we look with, certainty in this chapter for a description of winter, the third and last season of the ancient year. The Lord had gradually strengthened (the cold came on by degrees) the right hand of his anointed Cyrus (the Sun in winter), that by him he might subdue (literally, tread down) the nations before him. He next loosens the loins (see in your almanac if Libra don't point to the loins) of kings (the zodiacal constellations), in order to open the "two leaved" gates (fall equinox), which shall not be shut during Cyrus' reign, i.e., during the coming winter. The Lord (Sun) goes before, and breaks down the brazen gates and cuts the bars of iron (the baser metals symbolize winter); he gives treasures of darkness and hidden riches (the winter stores - Pluto, or winter, was the god of riches), that Cyrus might know that he (the Lord) was the God (Elohi- Ram-Sun) of Israel, i.e., that he might know that all these riches were the product of the summer season. In verse 4, the Lord passes from Jacob (spring) to Israel (summer) and thence to Cyrus (winter), whom he surnamed by his presence as he had Israel before him (44. 5), Cyrus being unaware of the fact, saying, " I am the Lord, without me, there are no Gods " (Elohim = Ram-Suns), i.'e., remove the "Suns" as at the fall equinox, and only "Ram" (El) would remain in place of Elohim. Rejoice then, i.e., the Sun and Aries, as at the spring equinox, and the Elohim are restored; so that plainly, without the Lord or Sun, there can be no Elohim, Hence the Lord says, "I girded (embraced) thee that they (the people) might know from the rising of the Sun and from the west," i.e., during the winter, "that there is none besides me." Having thus penned his position, the Lord (Sun) confidently exclaims: "I am the Lord, and there is none else" (vs. 6). The Ram (Aries) being on the opposite side of the Earth in the night hemisphere, the Elohim were no- where! O ye theologians, ever given to disputations, but never to science, who, like the dog in the fable, catch at the shadow and lose the substance, when will ye cease to delude and cheat an ignorant people? "I (the Sun) form the light and create darkness; I make peace (summer), and create evil (winter). I, the Lord (Sun) do all these things" (vs. 7). Having first created peace (summer) and lastly evil (winter), the Lord sends down rain, for with winter the rainy season begins, from the skies that the seed just sown may germinate and produce a crop, and through it salvation (v. 8). Winter having fairly set in, the Lord denounces the cold, blustering and rainy days, calling them "potsherds" a word, says Gesenius, " put for anything mean and contemptible," such as winter was ever esteemed by the suffering poor. Nevertheless, as winter is the offspring of summer, the latter is not to be blamed (vs. 9). Parents cannot help what their children may be (v. 10).

[@joshuabecker9615]

​@@harveywabbit9541wow I've never seen the scripture twisted quite like this before!

[@shaner2114]

Love this explanation!

[@v1e1r1g1e1]

Be careful and do not make false analogies, fellow Christians. Light is a thing in itself. Correct. Darkness is the absence of light. Correct Good is a thing in itself. Correct And now, get ready for it.... Evil is NOT the absence of Good, but the opposition to it. The possibility of there being an 'other' is essential for there to be Free Will. For example: Love is the intention and action to advance the condition of felicity of another person, place or thing. For there to be Love, there must be the opportunity and potential to NOT love. Therefore, to merely be Neutral about a person, place or thing is neither love nor hate; it is neither good nor evil. To be proactive... to have not only the intention but to act upon it... and advance the condition of felicity of another is GOOD. To be deliberately malign... to have not only the intention but to enact that intention to cause harm to another is EVIL. To be Indifferent... to not care, when in the face of suffering when one has the power to alleviate that suffering, is EVIL ... Because one has the power and opportunity to stop the suffering, but CHOOSES not to enact love. When Isaiah has it that God creates ''evil'' the translation is at fault. The word translated as ''evil'' should be given as ''calamity''. Or, better, 'unappealing conditions'. God did NOT create EVIL. He created the opportunity to make free choices.

[@muppetonmeds]

@@MCCALLA7 That is weird huh? I also wondered why different Nations can't get along and all think alike even in our Nation everyone can't agree about who should be president and even in our homes we can't agree on what to eat or what to watch on TV. It's very strange we don't think all alike or see everything the same. I am not a great thinker but maybe it is a human thing?

[@kevinkelly2162]

@@muppetonmeds One might even go as far as to say that their god brings nothing to the table but discord.

[@Ezekiel336-16]

He creates punishments, chastisements, and disciplines for the creatures and children in His now fallen creation

[@muppetonmeds]

@@kevinkelly2162 Yes we would think so but the Bible does warn this would happen. People try to make the Bible line up with what they think God is or what he is trying to say. so we wind up with a lot of confusion and many religions thinking they have God all figured out. But that doesn't make God guilty of the confusion. Once again it's a human thing. We can't seem to agree on anything. Take care

[@kevinkelly2162]

@@muppetonmeds Cheers.

[@sdot6]

Great come back

[@LifeAsALayman]

Either your God directly created evil, or he established a plan in which he knew evil would emerge and did nothing to stop it. Either way, it remains his responsibility.

[@auntybiblebeliever887]

God restrains it. When God lifts His hand of protection you'll be able to witness how much He holds evil back, it'll be full chaos. Can't have free will without choice. God didn't want mindless robots. He created us with choice. Prophetically speaking there comes a time evil in that sense will be bound in chains.

[@Dizerner]

There is definitely a sense in which God is responsible for evil without primarily desiring it or initiating it. We do not shy away from that.

[@seanpierce9386]

@@auntybiblebeliever887So why not bind up evil in chains to begin with? It’s not as if removing our will to do evil would remove our free will completely. A loving God would recognize the danger and make the decision for us, like any parent would. Plus, there are instances where evil is not a result of our own will, but just something that happens to us in the form of suffering.

[@LifeAsALayman]

@@auntybiblebeliever887 How can he hold back evil without impacting free-will? He's either holding it back or he isn't, you can't have both when you insert the element of free-will.

[@lawrenceeason8007]

@@Dizernerif a god designed this world, that god is evil

[@DavidTaufa-n6b]

Well answered. Bravo.

[@LITTLE1994]

I was just wondering what that scripture was about. Interesting.

[@KelvinCain]

So, are trouble, calamity & adversity Evil or Righteousness?

[@Chris-wt2sc]

R.C Sproul answered this before. I believe he used the phrase synonymous parallelism and corrected the KJV wording as well as it’s calamity

[@NovusIgnis]

Another reason you know that the word evil isn't really a good translation is if you look at the other examples provided in that. God is showing contrasts. Light and darkness are opposed to each other. Are peace and evil opposed to each other? No, of course not. You can have an evil peace based on forceful suppression. So you know that whatever the word for evil is, it *needs* to be opposed to peace. Calamity or chaos or strife are opposed to peace, so they are better translations.

[@thomasservantofchrist]

Regarding Isaiah 45:7 (KJV), the problem is in the question given from the man, because the answer is already given from God in his whole counsel of his word when we study it as he commands us to do. Whenever someone says, “some translations say”, or “a better way to say this is”, then what you have is unbelief from that person in all of God’s promises. What do I mean? I mean that the Bible buffet cafeteria Christians know not at what they stumble, but evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived. Therefore, we are to walk circumspectly, that we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive. God’s inspiration of his word is of no value to us without his preservation of his word. He knows this. He holds us accountable to all his revealed word to us he inspired and he preserved. Modern version bibles do not honor this and are corrupt from their root. We know what Jesus says about corrupt root and corrupt fruit and being lukewarm in our way of faith in him. If one promise is broken then God lied, is not righteous, has sinned, and cannot save. Think before you doubt him and pray on any unbelief in you. In Isaiah 45:7 in our King James Bible view the context not just the verse. God is speaking of his unmatched omnipotence and his omnipresence and his omniscience. God contrasts his limitless powers shown to his finite creation. In this finite realm, in verse 7, we see there what we understand within our time and space limited existence, whereby, there can be no light if there is no darkness to contrast it, and there can be no peace if there is no evil to contrast it. When we are with God beyond this finite, the contrast will be removed. No sun, no darkness, only light. No evil, only peace. As John by inspiration of the Holy Spirit tells us, then beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is. Pray. Trust God’s word, searching it, and let scripture interpret scripture. You will find the word of God preserved as he promised in English in the King James Bible. Believe in all of God’s promises and praise him for them.

[@Imaginathor-1k0]

If wickedness wasnt created, how did it exist?

[@stephenkaake7016]

people are doing what they want, if they don't have something that regulates their behavior they don't care, they lack 'morals, ethics, principles, logic, compassion, wisdom' the law is supposed to stop them

[@pigthepirategaming2948]

Amen

[@ReformedView717]

Proper translation is creates calamity but whatever fits the narrative right?

[@andyruth5333]

Does that mean goodness is not a thing you create, but is the lack of evil?

[@r.o.e.408]

I want to agree, and I do at least to some degree, but does that underlying premise follow? What is there to say then about amoral things like technology or a screwdriver? Would you not say that they lack good? Yet we wouldn't consider them evil.

[@magnusaarsland9421]

By the anser given, is evil the absence of God?

[@enigmoxical]

God is omnipresent, so “absence of God” is not a thing.

[@a-pologetics]

That's not as great of a response as Turek seems to think it is; and I'll explain why. If one adheres to the notion that Creation was perfect, then it wouldn't lack anything. If evil is the "lack" of goodness, and Creation was perfect, from whence did this "lack" of goodness orginate? *Maybe Free Will Is the Origin of Evil?* The typical answer is that God created beings with free will, and evil emerged when these beings chose to deviate from God's perfect will. The idea is that free will is a necessary component of a perfect creation, as it allows for genuine love, obedience, and moral responsibility. _The Problem:_ If the beings were created perfect, including their wills, why would they choose to deviate? A perfect will would naturally choose what is good, so the introduction of a “lack” of goodness still seems unaccounted for in this explanation. *Maybe Evil Is a Consequence, Not a Creation?* Some argue that evil is the byproduct of finite creatures’ limited understanding or ability to perfectly actualize goodness. In this view, the "lack" of goodness arises not because of an intrinsic flaw in Creation, but because finite beings cannot fully reflect God's infinite perfection. _The Problem:_ If God intentionally created finite beings, knowing they would lack perfect goodness, can we still call that a "perfect" creation? This seems to undermine the notion of a flawless design. *Maybe Evil Is a Necessity for the Greater Good?* Another response is that the presence of evil-or the potential for it-is necessary to allow for the greater good, such as the development of virtue, redemption, and the ultimate fulfillment of God’s plan. _The Problem:_ This implies that perfection requires imperfection to achieve its ultimate purpose, which is contradictory. It also makes evil seem like an intentional part of God's plan, which challenges the idea of God’s moral perfection. *Maybe Evil Is a Mystery or Paradox* Some theologians acknowledge that the origin of evil in a perfect creation is a profound mystery that defies human understanding. They argue that attempting to fully resolve this paradox is beyond our epistemic limits. _The Weakness:_ While this might preserve the mystery of God, it doesn’t satisfy the logical issue at hand, and it risks appearing like an intellectual retreat. This critique strikes at the heart of the issue: if perfection entails completeness and the absence of deficiencies, the emergence of evil as a “lack” of goodness remains unexplained. This tension calls into question whether the claim of a perfect creation is coherent or whether our understanding of perfection needs to be reexamined.

[@K82849]

There’s more than one definition for the word “evil”. One definition is “disaster; harm; misfortune”. The same as calamity: “misfortune; disaster”. Evil refers to God’s judgement in this context.

[@InTruthandinSpirit]

God does nothing to help us in this life yet we’re supposed to trust him to help us in the next one fat chance

[@caciquerojas]

See, this is why I have a tough time trying to read the Bible. I want a Bible that is the closest translation from Hebrew without much error. We have advance translation tech and yet there's still issues like this when it's so easy to resolve. Now if there is such a Bible I speak of, somebody please tell what it is so I can finally read the Bible.

[@tubeheadquarters]

Isaiah 45:7 (KJV) 7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.

[@SeekTruth489]

Create evil?!!! Never!!!! This is a Mandela Effect - it never said that before.

[@tubeheadquarters]

@ 🤔 so you see the scripture and still argue? Amazing

[@DavidYisrael-u7m]

​@@SeekTruth489 God is the creator of ALL things.

[@siggi5180]

​@@SeekTruth489 So the Bible isn't God's word after all?

[@JakeLeidahl]

@@tubeheadquarters it's parallelism.....light and darkness........peace and calamity. Evil would not be the opposite of peace. The Hebrew word used means calamity in other scripture verses and not the concept of evil.

[@godsgrace2124]

Very good!

[@ahuviatah2866]

I don't understand what is so difficult to comprehend... THE CREATOR OF everything and everybody, YHWH, HAS A POWER WITH NO LIMITS, INCOMPREHENSIBLE AND INCOMPARABLE. Whether you take it ethical evil or calamities, HE BUILDS AND DESTROYS AS HE WISHES, HE CAN'T BE PURE LOVE, HE HAS JUDGEMENT TOO. HE IS NOT WEAK AND HE CERTAINLY IS SOVEREIGN AND RULES Everything. SO, HE USES everything and everybody ACCORDING TO HIS WILL.

[@trillatsunset]

I had a sneaking suspicion that the response would be "but this translation says this, not this". I'm a Christian myself, so make of that what you will, but I almost always see this with practically every last biblical passage someone has questions about. Like literally almost all of them..."it just a translation mistake, it actually means". Meanwhile, the Bible they themselves view as the "most accurate" is the one that says these kinds of things. It boils down to them following the "most accurate" Bible until they get questioned, then it's "well let's use another Bible for this specific meaning". Or they'll switch between Aramaic, Greek, Hebrew, and other languages when it comes to words and translations for whichever sounds the least questionable. This is why I side eye most religious speakers, because there's always a lazy explain-away whenever something of contention is proposed, which doesn't get us any closer to the truth.

[@ednapina3]

But shouldn't God's light encompass all things so that there is no more darkness? Shouldn't God's goodness cancel out evil?

[@EndTimesHarvest]

I like using the analogy of a house that is destroyed by arson. It is an evil act to destroy a house by arson. However, that evil act could only be possible by building the house in the first place. Building the house is an act of good in itself, and so, evil can be seen as a negation of that which is good; evil does not exist by itself but is instead the destruction of that which is good. God made all of creation in the beginning and declared it to be "good", and so, perhaps the greatest evil of all is trying to destroy all which God has created; of trying to "undo" creation.

[@Frank-st6gd]

My comment you ask for got erased. Not worried God knows the Hearts of man. He knows .Have a blessed Day 🙌

[@kramlyn2412]

My S2R1 Carlotta Nuking 900k in ToA i wonder if i can manage to hit 1M if all her skills are Max out this coming Monday.

[@JOHNROBERTCRUZ]

BOTTOM LINE - The GOD that has allowed Evil to exist... IS TO BE FEARED... And all we can do is have faith for His mercy...And for CHRISTIANS...THAT MERCY IS FOUND IN ... THE GOSPEL ... PONDER THAT ...... " KNOWITALLS. " GOD BLESS...❤

[@ghostgate82]

God doesn’t “create evil” directly, He created free will directly, of which evil is a byproduct.

[@tubextc]

It’s not about being just. You can’t create light if there is no darkness, what would you do to distinguish what is light? It is part of the cosmos, and the law is universal. So, there is no need to explain what it is, it is what it is

[@NorwegianKnifeDude]

So it's translated wrongly? It should be calamity and not evil?

[@mattr.1887]

Correct. God made a mistake. It's okay though - just become fluent in Hebrew.

[@JC-cv3up]

@@mattr.1887 bruh you’re trippin 😂

[@lukecrawford9621]

1. God created sex and that's evil 2. God doesn't stop some things/ has favorites that's evil But I'm still a Christian because it's the only way , just wish they was another one 😢😢

[@enigmoxical]

Same Hebrew word is used in Genesis 13:13. So should Sodom be defined as calamity??

[@Roq-stone]

We have to remember that all thought/ideas originates with God. You cannot conjure up anything beyond God’s realm. We are just a subset of God’s realm. I hope that made sense.

[@RDRGUY15]

Evil is a direct response to Good when it has been slighted or transgressed

[@Christine-te4mr]

many cannot or will not understand what he's explaining 😢