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0:00 PSGL Spa incidents
1:54 Does he need to prove he's legit
3:33 PSGL Spa qualifying analysis
4:17 Ronhaar's response
7:12 F1 cheat screenshot and how can he prove it
9:25 WOR Bahrain
10:40 F1 Esports drivers reaction to Q1 lap
11:08 WOR Bahrain qualifying analysis
14:42 Ronhaar addresses the haters
14:55 Final thoughts
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[@JDisLimitless]

Please refrain in making any abusive/hateful comments towards the people within this video, I do not condone it nor is what this video is trying to achieve. It is simply once again a discussion regarding recent events within the F1 community and how we can avoid doubting drivers entirely in future. Not sure where there is a huge BLUR square across random parts of the video: will be processesing this change that will update in a few hours!

[@andrecarrato6359]

What comes to my mind at first is: Thomas was completely irrelevant at first half of esports season and, all of a sudden, he became The fastest driver by far... this is somewhat strange, at least. As my grandma's always told me: "You cant prove sth doesnt exist". So, Thomas cant prove he's legit

[@michaelsanger8327]

let's say - as a thought experiment: Thomas Ronhaar is intentionally doing something to achieve what he is achieving. Furthermore: if Thomas Ronhaar where to reveal that something he is doing - we would all agree that it is not cheating. should he be made to give up his advantage?

[@eidodk]

He does NOT need to prove it. YOU'RE the one making the assessment, YOU'RE the one with the burden of proof. YOU'RE the one casting the doubt and making the waves.

[@10acious32]

He ain't cheating, he just spent his r&D points.

[@OmegaF77]

He just dumped a bunch of dough in catering.

[@MisterBurger2]

@@OmegaF77 still we cry

[@Chunkyyyyoioi78]

@@MisterBurger2 cringe

[@anonymousgaming.]

@@MisterBurger2 Smartest RB fan

[@BManYT22]

He’s upgrading the helipad actually

[@Nico19907]

First Belgium, now France. Drivers taking it into their own hands 😂

[@husseinyatim]

Nah fr tho I laughed so hard watching the race today 💀💀

[@Lyuze]

it was happening as far back as mexico last year

[@Nico19907]

@@Lyuze true. That was a serious divebomb from frede 😆

[@dustinkoehen]

@@husseinyatim What happend in the race? Couldn't watch because of champions league

[@Nico19907]

@@dustinkoehen Ronhaar got run off the track a couple of times because drivers a fed up with his grip

[@Dolek135]

Simple: he can't. There's no logical explanation behind his speed. If 15 esports drivers are claiming something is up, it's no coincidence.

[@martinhalaj9604]

But that is not a proof. And he does not need to proof anything bacause "innocent until proven guilty" still exists so speculations without proofs are pointles.

[@adem2064]

@@martinhalaj9604 there are proofs, you are just pretending to not see them

[@gabbeboiii5083]

that q1 lap at Bahrain is just ridiculous

[@SlayDota9]

@@adem2064 what proof?

[@mekieosu]

@@martinhalaj9604 there is proof mate, the barcelona race is enough proof

[@vamositalia4600]

You can't be first at everything: straight line speed,cornering speeds, traction...; there's no way because the cars are the same and he's racing against the best drivers in the world. Also the fact that he's ignoring all this mess makes me think he's guilty.

[@ThePadi94]

Understandable that he ignores all this things considering what that hate does to people...

[@williamhobbs4202]

@@ThePadi94 I agree with that but I also think he would try to clear his name if he was legit

[@godzvnm7315]

another thing is he litterally went from last on f1 2021 in league races and when some of them didnt even have esports drivers for all 19 other positions, there was some league racers but not on an esports level and now suddenly hes basically 1st most of the time on this game, something is clesrly up.

[@timskerritt8074]

Tell that to redbull

[@pinkypromises714]

@@timskerritt8074 they not on equal cars on real life, huh

[@still_guns]

F1 Esports needs to host in an arena or something like most tournaments did before Covid. Using spec machines and gear that are regularly inspected for suspect programs, that would prove once and for all if he's legit or not, providing he joins/qualifies.

[@GaetanoCecere]

Exactly, the only way to put this topic to bed, once and for all, is to have a controlled test. I.e. a Race at the F1 Esport Arena, Live, where all the drivers play on the same spec machines...

[@Dolek135]

I think they chose not also because it doesn't make much sense logistically

[@punkboyx100]

if only i was a rich man it wouldve happen already

[@igorristeski7915]

Another thing that could be very nice, is for F1 teams to be obligated to have their drivers sign a contract where they would say that they would never cheat or use any illegal means to gain advantage in any official esport events where they represent their team, and have huge consequences if they are found out to have cheated at a later date. Having that mental pressure would be immense on a driver if he is actually cheating, while those who don't, wouldn't mind it at all.

[@billsfan7883]

Then they can’t just make gobs of money, without spending a penny…

[@uncleflansy5621]

I'm not even into F1 games/esports, but this story as a whole is just so interesting.

[@zRamses]

Just doesn't make sense, these drivers dedicate their lives to find every thousandth, for Ronhaar to just come in and find multiple TENTHS, ON EVERY TRACK, that's just absurd.

[@mantr3528]

Yeh like in the Bahrain qualy he oversteered and still managed to have a 200ms lead…

[@bigsam9987]

Wait for the investigation before you judge

[@aventusV33]

That's not even it. Sure, he can be very quick. But he has imperfect laps and still manages to find loads of time.

[@romanmckenzie5674]

@@bigsam9987 he constantly misses apex’s yet still does fastest lap that’s all you need to know

[@mr_obst3077]

It's a game not governed by actal limitations of real physics. So giving him the benefit of the doubt he might have just figured out a glitch/exploit/trick that nobody else has. Like there was on GT Sport with the ABS for example. Or, arcade warning, like there are countless ones in gta 5 racing or trackmania. That being said, no secret trick that can be done without external modification of the game is worth getting your reputation ruined over or even getting banned. So the possibility of it just being that is getting slimmer the longer this goes on for and the bigger it is getting.

[@gaborcsizmazia2210]

During todays PSGL Q3 when Ronhaar spun Dani Bereznay said: -"Off course, without the extra grip, it is difficult to keep the car on track". To someone who doesn't know about this, it sounds like he is just talking about the rain, but I'm sure he wouldn't have said "extra grip" if he thought Ronhaar was legit.

[@therealnemesis1627]

Honestly, I admire what both Alpines were doing today. If they for whatever reason cannot speak out on the matter, they can at least shed some light on the case doing precisely what they did today. I couldn't help but watch Luke and Dylan with a smile on my face tbh

[@toxik420]

I don't understand how cheats work for the F1 games but is there anything other than screenshots, gaps and opponents claims indicating he is cheating ? It seems really emotional but without any fact backing the claims

[@TheoF1]

@@toxik420 Eh, sure not concrete facts per say but the ppl behind the apparent mods/cheats Ronhaar is using have said in private DM's there is a guy on the esports grid who transfered from xbox to pc and is now in F1 esports which is what Ronhaar has done. Also there have been a lot of comparing on traction and for example one of the biggest ones are the last few laps against Jarno is Spain. Rohnaar was on a lower downforce setup yet still gained up to several tenths out of corners and fairly often carried more corner speed aswell, and also to add he had lower ERS deployment despite Jarno being right behind him which doesn't make much sense honestly.

[@slimlacy2]

@@toxik420 The only concrete evidence would be if Ronhaar gave out his gamefiles post race. Obviously that'd require extreme control of this after a race for anyone to buy they aren't altered files. And it would need to be a race where he dominates. There's no "hard 100% proof" - but there's plenty of proof of "weird" things that are very hard to explain. F1 setups are about balance. You sacrifice top speed for traction in corners. Somehow Ronhaar can achieve both with zero compromise. He out speeds people on the straights, and he also has enough grip, to go 100% throttle 10-20 kph sooner than everyone else. Now, is it possible he is just accelerating PERFECTLY every single time and that amount of acceleration is actually possible? Hard to know. Is it possible he can also get the highest top speed? See, that's where there's a big problem, because unless there's some setup settings that are bugged in some sense, there should not be. It SHOULD be impossible. The problem is, without seeing the setup, it can not be verified that he should be able to reach that top speed. Because clearly, technically you CAN reach that top speed. And you CAN reach that amount of grip (Well, that one is harder, you might not actually be able to, but it's more blurred). But you shouldn't be able to do it at the same time. And due to e-sports, they clearly don't want to give setups away, as it makes other drives know where you're strong and where you're weak. Though I guess for Ronhaar, if it is setup related, he'd be afraid everyone else don't need to compromise between grip or top speed. He also brakes a lot lighter than other people, he doesn't apply nearly as much brake for as long as other drivers. Even high downforce setups would struggle to brake as light as Ronhaar and still bleed as much speed as he does. Unfortunately for Ronhaar, having a "little" more grip, would explain ALL of these things perfectly. He can run a low downforce setup to get insane top speed, and increased grip would mean he doesn't need high downforce to out brake or accelerate others.

[@toxik420]

@@slimlacy2 okay i understand much better the suspicions. It's really well explained thank you very much 👍🏿

[@JDisLimitless]

PSGL France was also quite interesting tonight 😅

[@FilipSinjer]

put two tenths on the grid in Q1, insane

[@myslav2761]

Alvaro was 'testing' something for COdies ;)

[@Pintebinha513]

Alvaro Gripton

[@Lastname6955]

Warren's antics was very entertaining at the end

[@Arskite]

This is the other damage he is doing to his career. Now the other drivers think (or know) he's cheating, they will kamikaze themselves to stop him.

[@AndreasC23]

Bari Bowlingball using his powers for good instead of evil.

[@Malibuthe6th]

is that the BB7 guy? lol

[@FireBlaze1901]

Personally I think whether he's cheating or not it should be investigated, so the matter can be cleared up

[@RonanMathieson]

@@elijahmeinhard4780 I mean the organisers clearly didn't 😂 because there isn't one despite how sus he is

[@kikoredog]

@@elijahmeinhard4780 women amirite?

[@flyingdutchman8150]

Spain, jarno vs ronhaar, ronhaar grip was insane

[@GaresMusic]

If you look at most of his Q1 laps, they're very fidgety. He makes quite a few corrections in the lap, yet he gets P1... That's just now how it works.

[@SGstylerSG]

In real life it would maybe but not in the game thats for sure

[@Khetomi1]

you can tell by the way that he can put the throttle down so much, he must be using some sort of hack that allows the car to push more before the tyres slip. im not the greatest f1 franchise driver, but the fact that he can take just as good lines while cornering faster AND accelerating earlier without spinning out is just insane.

[@fortaaa6314]

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[@realkrubertimes8367]

I might be talking out of my arse but, especially on F1 22, the track conditions are client specific in online races, not server side. So another alternative to using something like a grip hack is to tweak your client a little for better track conditions which is ultimately the same thing but much more different to prove

[@andrecarrato6359]

What comes to my mind at first is: Thomas was completely irrelevant at first half of esports season and, all of a sudden, he became The fastest driver by far... this is somewhat strange, at least

[@jraybay]

This is what I was feeling too. I don't remember much he did before this recent form he has. Plus the amount of time and effort all the drivers put in, and he just suddenly leapfrogs them all, doesn't seem legit.

[@SiiiiUuUuUuuuuUuuuU9999]

he was literally up there right from the start. if he didnt have the incident with frede he was on for a top 5 of more finish

[@amilcarsafeca7629]

@@SiiiiUuUuUuuuuUuuuU9999 Wasnt he a rookie F1 Esports driver putting tenths on several veterans on EVERY SINGLE track on the calendar?

[@Spyrouz]

What's with the blur?

[@Khetomi1]

It should be so easy to have an indestructible anti cheat. Trackmania nations forever, an arcade racing game made in 2008, uses replay inputs to discover cheaters. the fact that a multi-billion dollar company can't do the same is ridiculous.

[@nexo_74]

Codemasters thing 🤷‍♂️

[@alpha007org]

But you can have a custom firmware in the pedals, for example. Think Fanatec V3 rumble kit. It vibrates when your tyres slip. By the same exchange of information pedals rumble kit get, you can program pedals to go on the throttle 100% only when possible.

[@PPedroFernandes]

Which doesn't work? Literally last year hundreds of players, and most notably rioulu, were caught cheating records in track mania

[@iiracingleague3955]

Codemasters have bigger issues making a game that works.

[@nondos9742]

@@PPedroFernandes By slowing down time in off stream attempts, which you cant do for live streamed races. Trackmania physics is deterministic so cheats like the alleged traction cheat is very easy to spot if f1 is the same

[@griff_the_boxer]

Definitely hard to prove you aren’t cheating when you are, in fact, cheating. Great question!

[@RPLAsmodeus]

The only way to truly make this fair would be for any official event to be run on standardised hardware that isn't owned by the driver. They'd have to all meet in a warehouse and pick a machine.

[@BrunodeSouzaLino]

MOBAS do this and cheating still happens.

[@kungalex]

He has.

[@kungalex]

​@@BrunodeSouzaLino huh?

[@kimz8916]

​@@BrunodeSouzaLino what moba you are talking about? When dota (literaly the bigest prized money for esport) doing their major tournament i dont think they ever catch a team cheating.

[@BrunodeSouzaLino]

@@kimz8916 Azubu Frost had to pay a 30k fine in a League of Legends tournament because they were watching the audience broadcast of the match on the large screens behind them to know where their opponents were. Forsaken from the OpTic team was caught using aimbot during a CS:GO tournament. 11 StarCraft players were banned in a tournament in 2010 because of match fixing. Two Chinese teams were VAC banned from a DoTA2 regional league because of cheating as well.

[@SM-TheSven]

Why is there a weird pixelated box that just randomly comes in the video???

[@OriginalSivi]

IMO, silence speaks a thousand words, i have no doubt that if any other F1 Esports drivers i.e, Jarno, Bari, Lucas, ect, were accused of something this serious they would have spoken out already. I dont know if they have or not but HAAS needs to comment or put out a statement too as he is under their employment and its their responsibility to make sure that there is a level playing field. I also think that the orgs have a big responsibility towards this aswell, there is no reason why F1 Esports cannot go/haven't gone back to LAN in the studio, it is now a inexcusable that they keep saying they cant due to safety or whatever.

[@damageinc407]

The "I play better on my own rig" is a perfectly response, but that also makes it the perfect cover story. No one can monitor you at home, while events taking place in arenas are heavily monitored.

[@lavir74]

Oh, he can be monitored pretty easily. There are memory addresses where the grip levels etc. are stored (and that's how, in fact, the cheats are done, by changing those addresses). To prove he's not cheating, using his own equipment and at home, he has only to show in real time during a livestream those memory addresses (with the same program - i.e. Cheat Engine - that he almost surely uses to cheat) and prove that they are and remain at their default value throughout all the session and that he is able to do the same things he does now with those values remaining unchanged. If he can, then he's not cheating and he will prove such a thing definitely (so that nobody can say nothing anymore after that), if he will suck (as he will most surely do) then you can be sure that he's modifying those addresses for his benefit. He will use the same equipment as always and he will be at home, so no more excuse to use. Pretty simple.

[@slimlacy2]

@@lavir74 Don't even need to go that far. He is under contract with HAAS, they COULD say they need to vet the machinery and want to monitor anything he uses for official races in their name. They won't, but they definitely could.

[@BrunodeSouzaLino]

And that has not stopped people from cheating in MOBA tournaments with cameras all around and players using computers provided by the event.

[@amilcarsafeca7629]

@@BrunodeSouzaLino Stop saying this shit under every comment.

[@RB-uw6ez]

why in the begin of the video half the screen is blurred?

[@shadowwsk3507]

Why is there a big blur on the screen

[@procowtipper1]

Gonna need to update for Alvaro Carreton lol. Caught yesterday

[@TheMDog001]

why is there a blur in the video now around the 2:00mins mark?

[@vignusky]

isn't the game deterministic? codemaster should simply implement application level software sensors to capture and record the car setups and all the inputs provided by input devices such as steering wheel, pedals, keyboard etc... Once all inputs from all drivers and the relative track evolution conditions are gathered, to get a race "validated" the race shall simply be replayed and simulated offline to check any delta difference between the recorded version and the replayed simulated one to discover if any player has tweaked his version of the game... From a Cybersec guy, the alternative is simply to ship and force E-sports driver to install and use only the SAME Windows version, provided direcly by codemaster with anti-tampering solutions implemented and Operative System process-level monitoring, disallowing the capability to run any unwanted application and without any administrator privileges assigned to the user accessing the underlying OS and the game application, solution that is fairly unpracticable for non-arena-like environments.

[@GonzoDonzo]

U still have the hardware variable. I dont know if its true in this game but there have been other online games with physics calcs and hardware would change the aspects that relied on physics. Usually if your physics computing is weak you would gain an advantage vs the high end machines with great computing

[@nondos9742]

From a non technical guy, wouldn't ping and latency ruin that for online races?

[@GonzoDonzo]

@@nondos9742 no it would be just like video capture but with much less data to record. An inconsequential amount

[@BrunodeSouzaLino]

Keep in mind that cheaters will find a way to do so even under controlled environments. It has happened in MOBA tournaments before.

[@racebug6134]

F1 gamer are not deterministic. It happens both in dry and wet, but it's more noticeable in the wet, as sometimes the same input gets you no grip, because as the game doesn't actually calculate driving through a bit of the track with more or less water (Just puts you in "low grip mode" when it rains) what the game does is randomly affects your grip levels. Trying to get TT records in the wet is not very popular because of this "RNG"

[@danielferreira9018]

On the note of not being able to perform on a stage or outside your home: the mark of a true champion is when you are able to perform under all or most circumstances, not just those in which you are comfortable or best at.

[@DaniFekete_Montagemaster]

Longuet's reaction is hilarious 😂😂

[@jraybay]

😆

[@michaeldesgagne4615]

Do you notice how he never loses the rear unlike the rest of the field who do lose it from time to time his lap is always way to perfect

[@timothykeller9419]

I have a wild theory its AI assistance. Like AI is influencing his imputs to correct his mistakes. Watching him drive just STINKS of Tool Assistance. I think its far more complex than a simple grip hack. It why hes so comfortable with the situation. If they go to test it by simulating his driving, they will find it technically is possible. But what makes it genius is that HIS AI is trying to EMULATE human movement so its a computer program thats gonna be IMPOSSIBLE to detect unless someone outs him.

[@squorcle3607]

​@@timothykeller9419 that certainly is a wild theory, but you could be right (if he is cheating of course). The only issue with that is how fidgety his q1 laps are, yet still being fastest, AI won't simulate that as seen by normal ones in any other game. I personally think that setting the in-game grip from "1" to "1.05" through an external application would explain q1 laps and the mistakes he does make while still having the pace he does

[@deeznoots6241]

@@timothykeller9419lol no, AI isn’t that good, professional esports drivers absolutely smoke the best AI in racing games.

[@gretsky3463]

Why was there a grey box on half the screen for a bit?

[@Krlitos110]

That 100% throttle at the exit of t10 in bahrein is the biggest red flag i've seen

[@squorcle3607]

He's all over the kerb as well, it's just not possible. I haven't played much of this year's game but I know from previous games and from other people that you just can't do that. Unless he somehow has medium traction control on, which Im fairly certain he doesnt

[@israelbenitezjimenez533]

Soooo this aged very well, presential event, and he is still a beast

[@alexissar]

Great breakdown again mate, enjoyed the vid a lot!

[@miguellopes9268]

Did the blur have any reason?

[@whereta3097]

Cheats on the screen

[@Dienex]

What is that massive blurry box dude 🤣

[@Ravexildow]

Those throttle and steering inputs in the Q1 lap, IMO, can't be done without larger oversteer unless there's some form of traction control or manipulation to the grip. I mean, if we have the KP/h, known RPM, steering angle, throttle % and engine map, shouldn't it be possible to calculate theoretical grip levels to see if such forward acceleration would even be possible?

[@slimlacy2]

You could likely calculate close to a "range", but finding 1 number that proves or disproves it? Doubt. The amount of factors are way too many. You could probably find a value that is 100% impossible, but Ronhaar is probably well within the possible range, as no human can drive perfectly up until impossible. All he has to do, is cheat just enough, that he can get a tiny bit closer to the impossible grip values, as he can't drive perfectly either. I mean, look at his lines, no way he drives those lines with AI (traction control) beating throttle precision.

[@Lukashoffmann94]

@@slimlacy2 You might be overestimating those ranges, especially since straight line top speed and cornering speed contradict each other. 2 km/h on the Bahrain straight means a low downforce setup, but then he beats other drivers by ~10% in the low speed part? That looks like it would be outside the possible range.

[@Ravexildow]

@@slimlacy2 Race team engineers routinely can calculate the precise combo of steering angle, throttle input, and braking force that would induce traction loss. It gets to the point where they "fuel map" engines tailored to the driver so their "lead foot" in a slow-speed corner like Monaco won't spin out the car. It's up to EA/Codemasters to work at extracting telemetry to arrive at these computations, but they are 100% possible. iRacing leagues regularly use telemetry to validate realistic performance levels to driver inputs and ban for discrepancies.

[@maffennas]

I would say the way he proves without LAN event now is to go to a trusted man, race on that mans rig (at an expense of someone else, not Thomas) and if he can come up even within a tenth, I would believe that it would prove his legitimacy.

[@chiragasnani92]

Yesterday’s PSGL france race, I heavily doubt on Otis Lawrence too. Being a rookie, he achieved faster corner speed as well straight line speed

[@K543]

Yes indeed, he is relatively close to Ronhaar over 1 lap and definitely one of the fastest over 1 lap lately....easily beating other experienced esport drivers. If Ronhaar is cheating I'm sure there are a few others who are cheating and some of them we are not aware of.

[@tiagolisboa8203]

I'm no expert, but at minute 11:09 at the final corner, he put full throttle for a bit and didn't lost traction

[@GFDNERFERSGAMING]

Oh my god first time I see this. Full throttle KEKW

[@DiktaturenF1]

In 5th gear. It's possible. Probably lifting after so he won't oversteer.

[@GFDNERFERSGAMING]

@@DiktaturenF1 nah this game loses traction even in 7th gear if you are turning. This is extremely sus and ther is not even a mm of oversteer

[@kaczy5289]

Good video JD. Can't wait for the LAN to come back, it was always more exciting to see everyone in the same room :D LAN is the most effective anticheat

[@yupimonaboat]

Why is the screen blurred

[@justinheiden7998]

is this a serious question? put him on someone elses PC and let him run.

[@CHEF2077]

Apart from the fact that you can use Cheat Engine while in online lobbies, he could probably be playing at 300FPS. The curbs will be glitchy but apparently the grip levels go up with it (cant test, I‘m to bad). Though a solution would be simple. The issue here is that cars+setup are Peer2Peer based. So if the game would be coded differently that could be avoided. I‘ll tell you how: Have the server grab the data and setup from each car upon entering the race. Then determine how engine power, grip level and degredation will be from those values. Send it back to the car and have the car run with these. There has to be a slight tolerance but if the values will be higher than set tolerance, the driver gets disconnected. This also would eliminate the uncapped FPS play, since that would result in the physics being different. Simple, yet effective for now.

[@clarson_0249]

Him not even replying to any comments that had criticism on him makes it even more suspicious

[@Dolek135]

Right. If he's got nothing to hide, speak up.

[@denmister100]

I disagree. If you aren't cheating, why even waste a breath defending your self I wouldn't

[@Dolek135]

@@denmister100 Dude, he's an esports driver. Imagine he'd won the grand prize $750,000 by using illegal tools. He shouldn't stay silent if almost all his competitors are accusing him of cheating.

[@WinchesterDelta1]

I was once falsely accused of cheating by a guy for a year on DCS World. And I would also not entertain that D head. And reply to his stupid sh*t. It still pisses me off thinking about it. D head asking me to proof I was not cheating. Get out of here.

[@elphyn]

@@Dolek135 Maybe he shouldn't stay silent but he can, he has no obligation to respond. At this point most have already made up their minds so I doubt anything he says now is going to change that so why waste energy. He is so much in other drivers heads now that they are just running him off the track, which is kind of funny but also a poor way to deal with it.

[@chrismills7226]

How often do you do open lobbies for members?

[@Switch_X_Back3884]

I think its different if your just in a regular league race. But when pretty much the whole Pro Series drivers are claiming or hinting someone is cheating. At that level i think you would have to prove your not cheating. And I think it would be up to the organizers to launch an investigation at the very least. Even if Ronhaar does not try and prove his innocence. For the integrity of F1 eSports and its future survival.

[@Cushion08]

As much as the premise is he needs to prove he's not cheating. I think it is on the ownace of the other drivers / F1 eSports to prove he is cheating. There are so many accusations in many things in life and everyone jumps to calling them guilty. Is there some evidence that seems suspect. Sure, but I think there has to be indisputable proof before everyone jumps to conclusions.

[@j-wray]

Yes, I agree, sometimes drivers don't perform as well away from home. But the world record holder at damned near every track should be able to demonstrate super human speed, whether or not he can match the times. There would be sectors where his speed would be demonstrated.

[@GTBMuckface]

Stevie Wonder could see that this guy is guilty

[@Malibuthe6th]

i think we need to raise the conversation regarding the actual cheats themselves with the intent to eventually figure which cheats he might be using. need websites, names, YT channels, forum posts etc

[@lorenzoclaeys]

I used to have an issue on F1 2015 or 2014, and I'm still not sure how it happened: It seemed when I had even a small contact, my car got faster, more grip and speed, causing me to be as fast as others, but on harder tyres, or just gap everyone on the same tyres. My theory was it had something to do with an overclock on my pc, but after undoing the overclock, it kept happening. It caused me to retire from any competitive racing, since I couldn't guarantee it would be fair racing.

[@scottmahoney3147]

Hard to tell, huh. Remember when we had our queries about Otis Lawrence? I certainly hope Thomas is legit. Would mean his driving is super quick.... hopefully 🤞

[@AlwaysEwok]

Yh but Otis gets smoked by the actual esports guys so while he was/is showing potential on single lap pace it’s not enough to suspect cheating

[@keonxd8918]

Kinda weird how they didn't race in Singapore tho. It would've been interesting to see how they perform on one of the hardest circuits

[@AlwaysEwok]

It’s got to be a extra grip cheat, allows low wings for the insane top speed and explains why he’s so fast in the slow corners compared to the rest

[@n0body550]

Is it possible he’s getting better grip on different settings? Or are settings changes illegal? i.e. throttle sensitivity etc?

[@slimlacy2]

stuff like throttle sensitivity is definitely not illegal. But you'd assume ONE other of the best of the best esports drivers would eventually figure it out too. It seems unlikely Ronhaar is the ONLY person in the world with access to some setting that does this ingame. Look at the 60 FPS things, LOADS of people especially outside esports knew about it long before it caught on in esports.

[@racebug6134]

@@slimlacy2 Me and a friend discovered the 60 fps thing by accident XD I was playing on PC, she was on Xbox, and I couldn't for the life of me figure out why monza kerbs were sending me to the moon while she could eat them for breakfast

[@Zen_1g]

He can do so by showing up to a LAN and doing the same thing he's been doing under pressure, and most importantly equal equipment.

[@kungalex]

He has.

[@Squalleternally]

@@kungalex when?

[@kungalex]

@@Squalleternally f1 2022 pro exhebition lan

[@M_J_C_F1]

@@kungalex It wasn't a lan by means of offline tho.

[@kungalex]

@@M_J_C_F1 "Held at Silverstone’s fabulous University Technical College on the outskirts of the track between Woodcote and Copse" LAN = offline.

[@justinm.1]

Never thought this drama would be taken into the virtual world 😂

[@synsnap9901]

As a racer myself you should look up Engine inertia ! inertia is the inherent property of a body that makes it oppose any force that would cause a change in its motion. A body at rest and a body in motion both oppose forces that might cause acceleration. The inertia of a body can be measured by its mass, which governs its resistance to the action of a force, or by its moment of inertia about a specified axis, which measures its resistance to the action of a torque about the same axis. -

[@matijsgrijpstra3202]

I have actually tried to see if the amount of throttle and the amount of grip is actually possible on normal game files. I wanted to do this by using some sort of macro that simulates a steering wheel or controller. Can anyone help me with this, cause I am not that familiar with that?

[@AleksandrRudiak]

i guess it's too much variables that provide grip limitation.

[@woodoo2097]

Look into what they are using for TAS in other games (tool assisted speed running).

[@mikelitoris6315]

Now we wait for the Alvero Carreton cheating video 🍿

[@Platin151]

for me its very simple if so many pro drivers claim he is cheating there has to be something these guys put so much time in it they just know... there was something like this in Trackmania where guys where cheating, to prove it they wrote a programm to show imput and track how they drive . maybe its possible to do the same in F1 game track and save the inputs and then test them on another Pc so there will be 100 % the same inputs and u will directly see if he´s cheating or not .

[@ApexGamerThunder]

I have a contention with you JD. The point about him not performing well if he is in a LAN setup makes it super easy for him to just make excuses. If all the drivers are on a LAN system then it's an equal basis for them to have a proper and fair assessment.

[@robertesparza1012]

Reminds me in baseball when Barry bonds got accused and he always denied it even when he got caught and they had documents he still denied

[@KristianLyubenovYT]

This resembles a lot the story of a rainbow six siege player. his name is shaiiko and he was accused of cheating by virtually everyone as well, even got banned for a faulty mechanism in the anti cheat. sat out a year then went on lan and destroyed everyone. if thomas does the same then we know he's just insanely talented

[@chatin3000]

Had to google this. What a cool story.

[@Lola30545]

if it was a setup exploit wouldn't TT rule that out since he has a majority of TT records and his setup on them is the same as everyone else at the top?

[@boldcord7947]

It’s pretty easy to check. Have the Esports race in person at one location. All the drivers on the same rig

[@kaiabram150]

Whats with the blurred box? 4:23

[@Stain3610]

Why is there a big blurry spot in the vid from around 1:50 to 5:00 ?

[@antnation747]

Came to the comments to ask this. Weird.

[@RPLAsmodeus]

Ronhaar was trained by Billy Mitchell

[@bigredracingteam9642]

And Todd Rogers - that guy knows how to pop a clutch!

[@Clads5]

I think Lan is the only way like you said. There's too much cheating accusations right now. You need the controlled enviroment. And not just 1 LAN. but seeing how everyone performs over multiple LAN event.

[@Thalanir7]

Jake actually dominated the F1 pro exhibition but his game crashed in the final event so he lost.

[@GonzoDonzo]

I wonder if there isnt just something about his setup that messes with the physics. Usually if u have poor physics computing u gain an advantage in many games. Seems counterintuitive

[@charles-alexandrebedard5011]

I get that there is no anti cheat system, but the devs should be able to look at the logs or something at least for future events

[@alexursa]

Why does he need to prove his innocence? He is innocent until proven different

[@Spyrouz]

Thank you!!!! The only comment with common sense. All these claims he is cheating with ZERO evidence but all these people want evidence that he doesn't? What sort of logic is that?!

[@MaxPower417]

If he is cheating his best move is to do exactly as he is doing. Say nothing, continue to perform very well on 2022, and then when 2023 comes out, play completely clean, and if he struggles then he can blame it on adapting to the new game. There will never be a LAN “gotcha” because he will never play the 22 version of the game on a LAN. If he kicks ass in 2023 on the LAN we’ll know he’s legit, but if he struggles, we’ll never know one way or the other.

[@Thalanir7]

For me it is quite simple. If you are innocent than you have nothing to fear so just show people open access, come play in a public arena and just prove it. The fact he refuses to do any of that and then deletes time trial runs is just not something an innocent person would do.

[@NielsHeusinkveld]

At least it breeds a sense of comradery amongst everyone else..

[@joshuachipling6923]

Have the game devs spoken on the subject yet? Can't see them being happy with the negative press as it's starting to gain traction in major media outlets.

[@rakketz5976]

To be the best at something is incredibly rare. It takes so much time and effort to become that good at something that very few people become the best at something. But if what I'm understanding is correct; This Thomas guy is so much better than all these other drivers who are absolutely the best eSports drivers in the world then it would benefit Thomas greatly to prove he isn't cheating. I don't normally agree with the sentiment that players should have to prove they aren't cheating constantly... But thomas should just agree to do it once. Show everybody once and for all that you're legit and everyone will back off and agree that you are without a doubt just the best driver.

[@krizkrytyk]

Carreton “reacting” to the clip in the lights of yesterdays revelations 😂 YIKES wonder who else is in on it?

[@dislexyc]

There's a bit of an issue in the video There's a permanent blurry square occupying 40% of the screen that I suspect was not supposed to last over a minute

[@moka5377]

there should be governing body that has full access to competitors rig pc's during race days, quali etc, or no competitions from home rigs.

[@Ickle_33]

Waiting for the new video with Alvaro Carreton showing his hack files on stream, then tweeting that he uses it as part of an investigation into finding out what is and isn't possible, outside of Esport/League races to help determine who is cheating. Then Jarno backed him up and vouched for him. That tells me one of two things. 1: All Esport drivers use an "allotted" percentage, which allows them to achieve the insane times they do. Jarno is simply helping save face by vouching for Alvaro so it dies down and no one is the wiser. Perhaps Ronhaar is using more than the agreed upon percentage, and that's why most Esports drivers are out to get him. 2: He's actually telling the truth, and other drivers as well have been using hacks outside of league races to determine what is and isn't possible and by doing this, they know Ronhaar is cheating.

[@99EKjohn]

Jarno didn't necessarily back him. He said in his interview with Jimmy, that he knew about them before the stream incident because Alvaro had told everyone he had them for that same reason. It seems f1 e-sports drivers don't have a huge amount of experience with game development companies because no company asks a user, even a pro player, to download an external program and run it for them. That is a huge liability risk, what if it happened to have a "virus" or create a backdoor? The company would be liable. If a company wants to test a hack, they simply download the hack themselves, and then they throw it through a de-compiler like IDA and reverse the source code. If they can't get a clean source dump, they can run a memory sniffer, like cheat engine which is probably whats used to create the hack in the first place, to look at what the code does in memory. Some hacks can be simple file replacement and those can be opened by notepad. Companies never ask a user to download an external file or test a hack. Alvaro lied to everyone, and they were naive enough to believe him. It's possible he did DL them just to test, but not at the order, advice, or well wishes, of EA or Codemasters.

[@mrhxrse]

Mr Horse approves this video

[@bernardoberner4]

Ronhaars gap in WOR Bahrain to P2 was about the same as the gap from P2 to P17, yeah trust him bro 100% legit that guy😂

[@TheRabidDeer]

Get in touch with a tool assisted speedrun person and have them develop a tool assisted input with a specific car configuration. Post-race and without a break in recording have him run that tool assisted input lap with the same car configuration and if the lap looks identical to the tool assisted run then he's not cheating. Can even do this for all competitors.

[@Greyfly]

Will Valorant's anit cheat pick up on the f1 cheats? You can't run Tarkov cheats with Valorants anticheat install because it will detect it

[@FiT_Flaminio]

In another video i saw a couple of tweets by the two Redbull drivers, talking about the fact that some drivers in the esport series were cheating. They were talking about Ronhar on August 26 2021 or they were taking also of other drivers? A LAN event should be the only place where these events should be raced, and I was really surprised when I discovered that the 2022 esport championship was still competed online. Anyway I think that we will never know of someone was cheating or not. Because the game will be different and so the environment, so that will not make a prove at all. We saw already this year that Opmeer, on the 2022 game, was not performing as well as in the previous editions. That’s just to understand how things can change just by switching from a game to another

[@Kieronimo]

I drove some races in acc against him on lfm in split 1, and he was around 6 tens faster than me and his pace was rly good but I had no idea that he joined f1 esports.

[@duncandrummond726]

with a prize pool of that size, why not move the show to different locations just like F1, Formula E, etc. sport has scrutiny in many ways, technical reg compliance, personal performance drugs. it seems time for esports at this level to brings assurance to sport. I'd like to think an esport competitor can be a genius, but we also see that some teams develop as close to the edge of the performance and regulatory envelope as possible. and they prove they are compliant. some people may not like the the changes required but that's the nature of working for a competitive advantage.

[@kraveN911]

I haven't followed this drama. But what is easy to fix, is that someone invites him over to an event or house. Give him the same exact setup he uses at home, but computer/settings/sensitivity etc is setup with him and a third party together before they make him go. Theres been a lof of this going on in the COD community after cheating accusations, and it's been working pretty well for the accused. Fresh setup, and installs. And they keep performing the same.

[@antnation747]

Bring back the old outro. Journeygirl hits different

[@hyperillusions]

Did you see what happened in PSGL last night

[@billsfan7883]

The fact PSGL disables their comments makes it that much worse. News flash, everybody ignoring or poopooing on a situation, doesn’t make it go away, and doesn’t make the people suddenly think the other way…

[@Steezy93]

Its very realistic for F1 to be honest, you don't say Lewis Hamilton was cheating for 7 years even though he was in a faster car lmao

[@bkozican]

Turn off ghosting…let’s start there

[@CatchiestWorm12]

Yes, he should prove his legitimacy, same as every other person on the grid. F1 eSports NEEDS to be played on LAN, and while that isn't necessarily possible with leagues like PSGL and WOR and so on, it would give us all the answers we need. The fact that he is so adamant about being "more comfortable" at home is a classic cheater move and until he changes his tune there's no reason to believe the accusations aren't accurate to some degree.

[@SteveSurgenor]

The fact that there is no similar situation in other forms of esports motorsports is enough to cast a huge doubt over him.