How is Thomas Ronhaar so fast at Abu Dhabi?

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@gaborcsizmazia2210
@gaborcsizmazia2210 Жыл бұрын
During todays PSGL, Dani Bereznay started shouting(in hungarian): "This guy is not real! One of the best esports drivers in the world, has been cuttimg the track for five laps, and he is not even in his DRS. All the best drivers can just barely hang on to his(Longuet's) DRS. He is on zero percent battery, yet he managed to split up THIS grid." That is probably the most direct way of saying Ronhaar is a cheater, that i have heard from any f1 esports driver.
@grahamlife2497
@grahamlife2497 Жыл бұрын
Jarno Opmeer said this kzbin.info/www/bejne/h6aZl2eFj6yFe9U
@kaveeshakarunaratne8961
@kaveeshakarunaratne8961 Жыл бұрын
Longuet was extending the track like crazy and draining his ERS but the lad couldn't even get into DRS range of Rohnharr. Tommy is a cheat, that much is certain.
@alvydasaleknavicius343
@alvydasaleknavicius343 Жыл бұрын
Later on his Twitch Nicolas mentioned that he had a broken wing if I understood correctly and it cost him 0.1-0.2 a lap. Not defending Thomas, but just to have it in mind :)
@elodoliver_
@elodoliver_ Жыл бұрын
Yep I was there on the stream. He fr is not real. Ronhaar is obviously cheating.
@5thspecialoperationsregime462
@5thspecialoperationsregime462 Жыл бұрын
Why is he still playing if hes a cheater ?
@billsfan7883
@billsfan7883 Жыл бұрын
His gap to second, was more than the gap from 2nd to 10th… 😂😂😂 He’s just so good… 😂😂😂 PSGL says nothing to see here, so it must be true… 😂😂😂
@XXOVR
@XXOVR Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the video JD, great analysis. By all means, you are one of the most important voices in the F1 community, so please keep the topic alive until we get some acutal evidence or closure to this topic. I can't wait for your video on the Bahrain finale!
@Fakmachine
@Fakmachine Жыл бұрын
Just the comparison to Alvaro isn't the best. Carreton has been caught having cheats on during a PSGL quali. Jake Benham would've been better to compare with
@GeorgioSubs
@GeorgioSubs Жыл бұрын
Has he ever raced at a LAN event? When the CSGO pro Ropz was constantly accused of cheating, he flew out to the FPL offices and played on one of their PCs to prove he could play the same. As a result he was exonerated.
@realboti
@realboti Жыл бұрын
He is cheating JD. The minimum speeds he achieves are out of this world, and impossible with the set-up. Physically impossible. He was always a decent driver, but doing a 21.9 in Abu-Dhabi is physically impossible with the original build.
@braveheart4603
@braveheart4603 Жыл бұрын
Just by watching the footage you can see he's driving well within himself and could likely go faster if pushed. The traction he manages to get just seems insane to me.
@krecik317
@krecik317 Жыл бұрын
Isnt it possible to run something like a TAS on this track with the set up he has?
@willho4202
@willho4202 Жыл бұрын
Even Lucas Blakeley, the current world champion was baffled by the pole lap, I was watching his watch along and he pointed out multiple mistakes that should killed his chances of pole let alone being 0.25 clear of second
@interferno2297
@interferno2297 Жыл бұрын
@@krecik317 No it's Not possible since you can Copy the Setup But If He is using any GRIP enhancing Tools you couldnt Copy those and the Times wouldn't Match and you cant expect ronhaar to BE aß fast a a TAS so only If He is faster you would have the confirmation
@krecik317
@krecik317 Жыл бұрын
@@interferno2297 Yeah, sure but then we have evidence if hes faster or just slightly slower than what TAS would achieve. And if this is the case there wouldnt be any questions left
@rishabh3150
@rishabh3150 Жыл бұрын
the PSGL Bahrain finale today, might be it for Ronhaar... Nicolas Longuet in the last 5-6 laps was cutting almost every corner, using battery and yet not able to even catch Ronhaar's DRS, whilst Ronhaar was not cutting any corners and actually charging his battery alongside... its not possible... Opmeer during his stream actually gave up watching the race in frustration and similarly Dani Bereznay vented out his frustration during the race.. two such high quality drivers can't be missing here...
@griff_the_boxer
@griff_the_boxer Жыл бұрын
Ok, I'm not defending Ronhaar at all, I agree he is 100% cheating...but why does everyone keep repeating this line that he was recharging his battery during all the corner cutting? His light was flashing on the back of his car the entire last 1/3 of the race. Both he and Longuet were draining their batteries -- Longuet to get into DRS (and also cutting corners) and Ronhaar to keep him out of DRS. I just don't get why everyone keeps saying Griphaar was saving his battery lol
@Skive_67
@Skive_67 Жыл бұрын
​@@sleepy3158 shut it moron
@luizg2458
@luizg2458 Жыл бұрын
@Sleepy 🐉 bullshit, hamilton just had the better car
@ApexGamerThunder
@ApexGamerThunder Жыл бұрын
Please don’t compare Lewis Hamilton to this cheater.
@YaphetS6
@YaphetS6 Жыл бұрын
Jarno is far from being fast on this game
@Thalanir7
@Thalanir7 Жыл бұрын
Jake Benham’s final lap was insane. He clutched up massively and was putting in the lap of his life. Yet he was still so far off.
@Dolek135
@Dolek135 Жыл бұрын
Can't wait for the Bahrain finale review.
@Mt_Moto_07
@Mt_Moto_07 Жыл бұрын
bahrain was chaos holy
@levifowler9284
@levifowler9284 Жыл бұрын
simple answer for the question... he is cheating]
@JDisLimitless
@JDisLimitless Жыл бұрын
PSGL Bahrain finale was spicy 😅
@GEO_Johannes
@GEO_Johannes Жыл бұрын
Yeah😂
@martinhalaj9604
@martinhalaj9604 Жыл бұрын
well, it is finished now, ronhaar won
@DireBox9990
@DireBox9990 Жыл бұрын
Longuet goat.
@nibuzszn954
@nibuzszn954 Жыл бұрын
apparently nico did have damage from the start tbf, not saying that his legit tho
@gaborcsizmazia2210
@gaborcsizmazia2210 Жыл бұрын
Who got the win?
@10kirneh
@10kirneh Жыл бұрын
So he's not only the fastest in the straights and fastest in the corners but he's doing all of that while also being the best at managing his tyres?
@Vandrefalk456
@Vandrefalk456 Жыл бұрын
Don’t forget the ERS recovery/management
@kaveeshakarunaratne8961
@kaveeshakarunaratne8961 Жыл бұрын
This guy could be the next Verstappen if this all turns out to be legit....but come on, we all know that he is a cheat.
@TheJGJR9
@TheJGJR9 Жыл бұрын
with zero battery and within track limits maybe hes #blessed
@furkanalbayrak5129
@furkanalbayrak5129 Жыл бұрын
Ive seen all the pros make mistakes have bad quails and stuff but this guy never has a bad day thats very sus to me
@MrKurbek
@MrKurbek Жыл бұрын
Yeah, no microslides, no need to correct snaps of oversteer... almost as if hes driving under the limit and still able to extract pace... Almost as if he can find extra grip over the field... huh
@toxik420
@toxik420 Жыл бұрын
@@MrKurbek This very video you commented on shows him going wide and making mistakes.
@sixonesix9429
@sixonesix9429 Жыл бұрын
@@toxik420 And not losing time. He looks to be driving at 99% which should not be winning you races at this level. Bottom line, If I was legit and being accused, I'd be determined to show and prove I was legit. I'd be clamoring to prove it. His silence speaks volumes. He doesn't even seem upset by the allegations.
@freedom_born
@freedom_born Жыл бұрын
@@toxik420 That's the point mate
@pedrosilvaproductions
@pedrosilvaproductions Жыл бұрын
@@sixonesix9429 Yes 100%. If I weren't cheating I would be boasting everyday and laughing. I would go as far as formatting my PC live on cam, installing the game again and playing it to show everyone that I was legit. If a guy like Opmeer and Bereznay which are some of the fastest drivers ever in the game claim that this guy is cheating, he has to be. There's not even a discussion
@KNOMID
@KNOMID Жыл бұрын
He cheats.
@alexlol0958
@alexlol0958 Жыл бұрын
factos
@wrabbes422
@wrabbes422 Жыл бұрын
hes so fast because he literally has grip hacks, he can stab the throttle mid corner (for example i think psgl spain) and nothing happens at all, no moment, no slide, just perfect traction
@wtsang1
@wtsang1 Жыл бұрын
Everyone else is driving a car, Thomas the cheating tank engine is driving on a fucking railway track
@phunkdoctaspock
@phunkdoctaspock Жыл бұрын
Does he LITERALLY!?
@jakebozinis999
@jakebozinis999 Жыл бұрын
Particularly when you see him lose grip, or make a minor error and he does not lose time in fact he still gains on the rest of the field, how can Jake B for example have a small error and lose at least a few hundreds but TH never loses time to the rest of the field, The gap between him and p2 is often bigger than from P2 TO P10, on a game where there are no where near as many variables than IRL it just should not be possible for the gap to be that big consistently. I do think he is a great driver he was always rapid when I was trying to match his laps on TT back in the XBOX days but he has improved massively since then because on XBOX with TT he had as many attempts as he wanted to clock the time but now in Q1,Q2,Q3 he only has a few runs and is miles ahead, back in the early e sport days he would be considered elite with those gaps but now with so many amazing drivers on the grid it has to be impossible. I hope he is legit as imagine how much higher the e sports level will be if he is genuine and drivers have to find a way to catch up but it seems too good to be true.
@rohanalias9053
@rohanalias9053 Жыл бұрын
Also Bahrain where he stamped full throttle at turn 1
@F1Jackz
@F1Jackz Жыл бұрын
Seems suspicious how a track like abu dhabi which requires a lot of mechanical grip ronhaar is so quick at
@kingjasko
@kingjasko Жыл бұрын
Man forgot to lower his grip hack haha
@m.r.8903
@m.r.8903 Жыл бұрын
Can we presume that Ronhaar was at 1.1 grip level, Carreton at 1.05 and Benham 1.0?
@marijn17s
@marijn17s Жыл бұрын
1.1 would give them like a second advantage. Most likely ronhaar is at like 1.005
@Yes-vh7lm
@Yes-vh7lm Жыл бұрын
@@marijn17s He had a quarter of a second advantage on a lap with multiple mistakes though. I think it's realistic to say that he has 1.05 grip level at the very least
@hugogonzalez466
@hugogonzalez466 Жыл бұрын
Carreton has no extra grip level, he is just so good at this track, as he has said. Also is he was driving one of the best races ever and he was fighting to stay in DRS
@m.r.8903
@m.r.8903 Жыл бұрын
@@hugogonzalez466 ...and he is also another driver that has recently become super fast 😑
@hugogonzalez466
@hugogonzalez466 Жыл бұрын
@@m.r.8903 WTF no, he is as fast as he was in the championship, but now there’s people that are slower. Also he has tracks where he is super fast
@mja2317
@mja2317 Жыл бұрын
I stopped watching PSGL not only because they refuse to investigate him and others, but their race commentators act like nothing has happened and the other drivers are acting this way for no reason. Also they called Jake Benham 'Binham' in a KZbin video title. They are such an unprofessional organisation and they don't deserve views.
@furkanalbayrak5129
@furkanalbayrak5129 Жыл бұрын
9:34 that throttle application is just not right look what he does mid corner
@mrhxrse
@mrhxrse Жыл бұрын
Mr Horse approves this video
@theannoyingrabbit7507
@theannoyingrabbit7507 Жыл бұрын
What about mr hands?
@Beavers_f1
@Beavers_f1 Жыл бұрын
Dr Beaver approves Mr horse's opinion
@splandy2246
@splandy2246 Жыл бұрын
I feel like it’s a bit of a strange comparison using alvaro when you could potentially be comparing 2 cheaters
@rumpelstiltskn5574
@rumpelstiltskn5574 Жыл бұрын
...I was thinking exactly the same thing 😒😒😒😏😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣
@philstansfield
@philstansfield Жыл бұрын
Or is it perfect? Ronhaar gets more traction out of corners....and recovers ers faster than a guy who definately had cheats on his pc 🤷‍♂️
@MegaSturrup
@MegaSturrup Жыл бұрын
Who is the other cheater
@alecmillea4539
@alecmillea4539 Жыл бұрын
Too right! I think if anything JD is quietly saying without saying that look… we know Alvaro was running cheats, he and Ronhaars minimum speeds are effectively the same yet still ronhaar gains in acceleration and has better ers. Ronhaar is running more than just the grip hack we know Alvaro is running. I mean cmon… 0.25s to second and 2nd to 10th has a gap of 0.18s… it’s impossible….
@thorodinson7467
@thorodinson7467 Жыл бұрын
​@@MegaSturrup alvaro got caught with cheats on his pc during stream
@drbladerz5530
@drbladerz5530 Жыл бұрын
It's actually quite simple, he's using a really cool technique called cheating
@n.anup89
@n.anup89 Жыл бұрын
Even cutting corner Nico cannot catch up to Thomas. He's that good.. 🤭
@poof7492
@poof7492 Жыл бұрын
if you think corner cutting in bahrein works i think you should stick to mario kart
@kapa2909
@kapa2909 Жыл бұрын
​@@poof7492 if you go wide in every corner you gain so much during a lap, it works in every track
@poof7492
@poof7492 Жыл бұрын
@@kapa2909 no lol same goes for monza it wont work cuz the kerbs are too high in bahrein
@jaxtang5718
@jaxtang5718 Жыл бұрын
@@poof7492 Are you smoking? Cutting corner mean the distance is shorter than usual= faster lap time. Understand?
@Rubbellos6
@Rubbellos6 Жыл бұрын
@@jaxtang5718 but that doesn't explain the gap to Bereznay, Lawrence and Leigh being basically pretty much the same. In all fairness, that should be a much more representative reference. It appears that Longuet didn't really gain that much time with exceeding rack limits. And when Longuet runs wide on corner exits, he increases the distance. But that refers to extending track limits and not specifically corner cutting.
@pelidesachilles824
@pelidesachilles824 Жыл бұрын
I think it's pretty likely that thomas ronhaar is cheating, but when they get to a lan event he will still perform. He probably is still a top 10/top 20 player in the world. Often people think that when someone cheats its because he is a bad player and needs cheated performance to equalize. But its often the exact opposite, where really good players cheat. Maybe some of you remember the cheating scandal of Trackmania (a racing game with mainly timetrials and not full races). There many where discovered to be cheating by running the game in slowmotion offline to be more precise and then uploading these runs. The big scandal was the Riolu was doing this alot, even tho he was arguably a top 5 player in the world, many wondered why he would feel the "need" to cheat, but it's just that at the absolute highest level of play, these slight boosts become even more needed. I could see this F1 esports to be a similar case where one of the best players in the world is using cheats to minimaly gain an advantage, and if you take his cheats away he will still be in the top 10, just not setting 0.25s faster laps than everyone else.
@einovahvanen
@einovahvanen Жыл бұрын
I don't think we should compare thomas with carreton as he may be cheating as well. And tbh i do think that the only way this situation will get better is everyone publicly expose Ronhaar as a cheater, even you JD. We all know ronhaar cheats.
@LMSamDJ
@LMSamDJ Жыл бұрын
What if rather than some "grip hack (external software)" he has found some short of small exploit (such as the infamous 60 fps that the mclarens had in previous season) related to the game itself? Wouldn't be surprised if that's the case
@keonxd8918
@keonxd8918 Жыл бұрын
Everyone would've realized that exploit by now. Everyone is playing the game and only 1 guy knows this exploit? Unlikely
@thelegendarydeikay3071
@thelegendarydeikay3071 Жыл бұрын
@@keonxd8918 yeah but until you can prove it hes innocent otherwise he would be suspended by team and the esports events
@danoh561
@danoh561 Жыл бұрын
@@thelegendarydeikay3071 but surely his teammate would be close to him and able to run the same setups and come close with the level in esports
@foxxy_yonah
@foxxy_yonah Жыл бұрын
@@danoh561 prob thats why ronhaar races from home: so his teammate could not see him cheating...
@Eat-MyGoal
@Eat-MyGoal Жыл бұрын
No
@realalexsmith
@realalexsmith Жыл бұрын
The clear problem is the consistency, to hit top end times you are pushing the limits. He's clearly within his limit and as you say there is more time there. He's young and won't stop until its proven, at the moment he's getting publicity and attention for it all. Devs / eSports need to sort it out - they know what is possible in the game and need to address it, why would anyone watch it if its potentially full of cheats, and not just Thomas!
@DJMUFFY04
@DJMUFFY04 Жыл бұрын
interesting how its Carreton and Ronhaar that are the fastest, esp when Carreton has grip hacks, oddly convenient lol
@disznothor8588
@disznothor8588 Жыл бұрын
Hey JD! Can you please make a video of today’s psgl race at bahrain? I’ve never seen anything in my life like this…
@davidaugustofc2574
@davidaugustofc2574 Жыл бұрын
I saw his name in the thumbnail, and I thought "wasn't this guy cheating a couple of days ago?"
@RisitasKEKW
@RisitasKEKW Жыл бұрын
2 cheaters at the top 😂 gripeton & griphaar
@harry69007
@harry69007 Жыл бұрын
Limitless, Jarno reacted to Bahrain Gp at PSGL and his words are pretty telling 💀
@davemieze9021
@davemieze9021 Жыл бұрын
If it looks like a duck, and quacks like a duck
@joeburns7233
@joeburns7233 Жыл бұрын
Coming from a console player who really respects the opinions of major esports personalities like jarno an jimmy etc. it’s hard to see the 1-3 kph min speed as cheats but that ers recovery is the real killer for me. Correct me if I’m wrong of course, I’m just a console player 😂😂
@NiGhtPlayTV
@NiGhtPlayTV Жыл бұрын
Hey. You have played this game too much to not see that the sudden throttle applications are unbelievable. I mean in this game the car just spins away. It is impossible. But in his position if he suddenly stops cheating and becomes slower he confirms it so he is in a bad position
@RPLAsmodeus
@RPLAsmodeus Жыл бұрын
He missed at least 3 apex in that lap ffs The dude is just taking the piss now
@tangohotel2599
@tangohotel2599 Жыл бұрын
In the side by side lap, Ronhaar took t4 I think it was so much tighter, which would usually mean lighter throttle placement, yet he was faster on the throttle
@Thepope870
@Thepope870 Жыл бұрын
so let me get this straight, an accused cheater and a driver that has been caught with cheats installed are leading the GP with a 2 second gap? if that doesn't scream red flag i dont know what will.
@BoozySZN
@BoozySZN Жыл бұрын
EVERYONE talking about Ronhaar when Alvaro was ACTUALLY caught with them on his PC!!!! people need to get off his D and start slamming Alvaro for his actual cheating.
@kyperactive
@kyperactive Жыл бұрын
Bro aint exactly gaining much from the looks of it, but Id say its fair to look into that too.
@Khetomi1
@Khetomi1 Жыл бұрын
6:59 i did some testing myself and this is exactly what the effect of grip hacks are. the more grip you put on, the more understeer you get but also obviously the more pace you get. he could be putting on only 1.003 or so grip to make the car easier to drive at the limit while remaining subtle enough to not be that noticeable of a boost in pace
@LunnarisLP
@LunnarisLP Жыл бұрын
and as ensurance gets a bit more ers recovery, just let those tires hold on a tiny bit longer and wush easy PSGL win when in reality you would be more of a midfield driver.
@Khetomi1
@Khetomi1 Жыл бұрын
@@LunnarisLP yeah the hacks i used had the ability to change literally any statistic. you can even cap the min and max tyre and engine temperatures which is just so op
@reddevilkev
@reddevilkev Жыл бұрын
Stop this content it is pointless
@Dolek135
@Dolek135 Жыл бұрын
No it's not. The guy is a cheater and the more people address it the better.
@reddevilkev
@reddevilkev Жыл бұрын
@@Dolek135 that is speculation unless proven otherwise
@Switch_X_Back3884
@Switch_X_Back3884 Жыл бұрын
And if you look at Ronhaars fastest lap during the race at the end he's like right around .4 faster than anyone else's lap time. That's suspect too. Some of the best Top drivers in this race and they can't get near him. Just doesn't make sense.
@melmaciandissenter2324
@melmaciandissenter2324 Жыл бұрын
I suggest you watch an actual F1 Grand Prix to witness for yourself that it is indeed possible for a top driver to dominate everyone else. The only cheater we are sure of is Carreton. And him not being able to beat Ronhaar is not proof that Ronhaar cheats too. It just proves that average drivers who cheats are still slower than the GOAT.
@WuseligerPinguin_SF
@WuseligerPinguin_SF Жыл бұрын
​@@melmaciandissenter2324You forgot about the car performance in real F1
@kingjasko
@kingjasko Жыл бұрын
Y'all can check out a video on my channel where i test 10% extra grip vs no cheats in a lap to make a better judgement on Ronhaar. Imho he is definitely cheating.
@PaulDickson7
@PaulDickson7 Жыл бұрын
Hoping F1 23 introduces an Anti-Cheat feature
@ChristianRuf91
@ChristianRuf91 Жыл бұрын
Well Alvaro isn't just as good as Ronhaar in cheating.
@pawelm9967
@pawelm9967 Жыл бұрын
The shocking thing is Code Masters being silent about this. Disappointing!
@OK-fi4yq
@OK-fi4yq Жыл бұрын
ronhaar and carreton dominating quali, no surprises there
@joshstead2950
@joshstead2950 Жыл бұрын
Carreton isn’t cheating
@motorpolitan8884
@motorpolitan8884 Жыл бұрын
​@@joshstead2950 Dude literally showed his cheats on stream.
@DiegoGuillenESP
@DiegoGuillenESP Жыл бұрын
@@motorpolitan8884 dude literally said it was codies and ea's petition to some drivers to take info about the cheats just for feedback to fix that
@colemacbook5616
@colemacbook5616 Жыл бұрын
@@DiegoGuillenESP ea literally said they haven't given Carreton any cheats to test
@Quickb3n
@Quickb3n Жыл бұрын
@@colemacbook5616 You're mistaking not confirming that they've given him cheats to test, and them outright saying they didn't give him any cheats. Don't think they've responded yet.
@iiTsFaded_
@iiTsFaded_ Жыл бұрын
He saw Nadia cheating in Call of Duty Warzone and said “hold my drs”
@kevincarvalho363
@kevincarvalho363 Жыл бұрын
If any of you think he isn’t cheating, you are delusional. One of the best E-Sports driver pushed through his limit and could barely hang in the DRS of Ronhaar. Ronhaar’s car is so stable while all other cars were making corrections while pushing. Literally impossible. Absolutely not deserved.
@Nicc96
@Nicc96 Жыл бұрын
Because he’s cheating. Why keep making content on obvious things And you are literally compare him to a guy who was found with cheats open on his PC and Codemasters never confirmed his justification to it
@Stain3610
@Stain3610 Жыл бұрын
Is there prize money for this league? Seems like the guy is blatantly cheating in front of everyone and getting away with it... He's not the problem though, the game / organizers should take reasonable precautions to prevent cheating.
@emozie7428
@emozie7428 Жыл бұрын
You need proof the gut is cheating. Saying, “well the top 25 drivers couldn’t get that time” is proof he cheating. There 100 other drivers that can’t get those times too.
@barters8124
@barters8124 Жыл бұрын
The obvious bit is this guy is not on the edge and he very well should be at those times. He is missing apexes and recording WR times? Yeah no, doesn’t work like that.
@Nebula_Ultra
@Nebula_Ultra Жыл бұрын
Alvaro carreton to the top of the field...
@wrs900
@wrs900 Жыл бұрын
Two sus drivers at the top. If i were a cheater id use them only in qualies because decent drivers can get good results starting further up the field. Thats called odds. I wonder if theres rly point of discussing using cheats with no anticheat etc. F1 teams irl has always used every exploits there is to get results so why would e sports be different? If tyere is miney on the line that can get your life quality up even if u get caught later, who wouldnt take the prize if currently its not monitored if theres cheating goin on. What cant be proven can be used, as f1 has always been. Think about it and it makes sense.
@HowsYourFaceFeel
@HowsYourFaceFeel Жыл бұрын
IS HE CHEATING OR NOT GUYS. fuck can we stop talking about it. are we just dragging his name through the mud cuz hes better? If hes not better and hes cheating get him out. Why is he allowed to race if you can prove it. if we cant prove it lets shut up and let him go.
@Dolek135
@Dolek135 Жыл бұрын
He's better only thanks to illegal software. Cheers.
@jaxtang5718
@jaxtang5718 Жыл бұрын
If you dont like, then u are free to go somewhere. Here is for people practising "Freedom of speech". FREEDOM~!!
@keonxd8918
@keonxd8918 Жыл бұрын
Dude's potentially doing something illegal by cheating his way to the top to win the prize money and we should let him go away with it while EA, Codemaster, F1 eSports and PSGL aren't doing shit? Nah man
@Blitzer1234
@Blitzer1234 Жыл бұрын
Same was said about Lance Armstrong for years. In the end, the truth will come out when they will return to LAN.
@josemanoel6208
@josemanoel6208 Жыл бұрын
Sure bro 2 tenths from 2nd when the rest are covered by less than that, we'll keep discussing until we get some answers
@toxks5848
@toxks5848 Жыл бұрын
I appreciate your even approach to this controversy with your videos but I think it’s pretty obvious. It’s time for the community to call him out.
@GamingInTheFASTLANE
@GamingInTheFASTLANE Жыл бұрын
25 of best in world .... how many are cheating ? All this has done is ruined the reputation of Esports lost all respect for Esports as a whole. As a sim racer you practice try and improve and race fair we look up to these guys but soon as money is involved full of cheating.
@zilentzap
@zilentzap Жыл бұрын
misses every apex = pole
@Manderson0228
@Manderson0228 Жыл бұрын
With all of this evidence its beyond me that anybody would watch this sport where people are so clearly cheating.
@oscarexton2206
@oscarexton2206 Жыл бұрын
Why sit on the fence? We know you want to say that ronhaar is cheating, his times are so vastly different to the top top levels that it’s not something capable
@v0ldy54
@v0ldy54 Жыл бұрын
Had Carreron already been busted when this race happened? Cuz if not then hes faster than another cheater and that's saying something 🤪
@Andrew260RS
@Andrew260RS Жыл бұрын
Please keep making these videos. 750k is on the line and people work so hard and to hard that thrown away by someone who is cheating. You need to keep this topic alive until Code master does something!
@RalonsoF1
@RalonsoF1 Жыл бұрын
Honestly.. who trusts Carreton, who trusts Ronhaar, anymore? Is anyone here?
@Dolek135
@Dolek135 Жыл бұрын
For whatever reason a ton of people believe Carreton is clean.
@Thejamster92
@Thejamster92 Жыл бұрын
Think jarno summed it up perfectly in 1 minute on his stream about the psgl final
@andrecarrato6359
@andrecarrato6359 Жыл бұрын
I really dunno why other drivers accept to attend these shitty events that pretend Cheataar is legit
@cordaveast
@cordaveast Жыл бұрын
Thomas is out there driving the W11
@Manderson0228
@Manderson0228 Жыл бұрын
This video is like a CS GO over watch case: classic Hacker Vs. Hacker
@phunkdoctaspock
@phunkdoctaspock Жыл бұрын
Carreton AND Ronhaar at the top? Shocker.
@nrabbi93
@nrabbi93 Жыл бұрын
Can't wait for the next game when it gets patched and cheaters are put back into oblivion.
@roryfoley1514
@roryfoley1514 Жыл бұрын
I think a good way of preventing or at least identifying if a driver is cheating would be to use some form of telemetry data software. This idea stems from watching Nicolas Longuet's stream where there is live telemetry data displayed on screen at all times. Perhaps f1 esports or Fanatec can create a piece of software which during the race can record the telemtry data for each driver. This data can then be sent to f1 esports marshal or whoever and compared to one another to determine any outliers. This would serve as a massive deterrent for cheaters at least in organised league racing.
@foryourlugsonly
@foryourlugsonly Жыл бұрын
This is basically the way to do it tbh.
@NotTheRambo
@NotTheRambo Жыл бұрын
but where do you draw the line between being too good or cheating
@roryfoley1514
@roryfoley1514 Жыл бұрын
@@NotTheRambo My thinking is that most of the drivers are pretty equal in speed and only separated by roughly half a second in qualifying. Meaning that the data should be quite similar between all drivers. The telemetry would show who brakes for the longest period of time and who gets on throttle quicker. With the drivers being so similar in speed I picture the telemetry line also being similar between them therefore making obvious who is getting on throttle in an unnatural way and suggesting they are cheating.
@nuun0010
@nuun0010 Жыл бұрын
You wont really detect wierd patterns, because the cheating would theoretically come from just having slightly higher min speed and top speed everywhere and not from using any cheating controls. And considering f1 22 has very dynamic grip levels (both track and tyres having their own life), so you couldnt just replay the inputted controls into a legal version.
@roryfoley1514
@roryfoley1514 Жыл бұрын
@@nuun0010 I believe the biggest issue in the f1 esports relates to grip levels of the tires. For example the term Griphaar has been thrown around suggesting this is the easiest way to cheat while also being able to hide it well. I think that the minimum speeds that Thomas gets to relates to how the tire doesn't lose grip through the corner. Also he gets to a higher top speed due to getting a good exit but at the same time getting on the power far more aggressively compared to other drivers as seen in this video. Typically sacrificing the line to get a better, straighter exit means less minimum speed through the corner but more top speed along the straight but obviously this doesn't line up with what Thomas is able to achieve.
@alpha007org
@alpha007org Жыл бұрын
It's sad we have a situation in ACC too. Even thought in the past almost every league required replay and telemetry files for split 1, they became lazy. And even with MoTec telemetry, you have to trust Nils Naujoks findings. Nothing from Kunos, the developer. And on top of that, I became tired of ACC, and subscribed to iRacing for a year. Because it's a change of sim, I'm having a bang good time at the moment. But the topic is cheating, not my entertainment. SRO (Official GT3 organization) esports is coming, ACC is getting a new patch, new cars, but I really doubt anything anti cheat related. Everything seems to be going wrong in the e-sports simracing world.
@gigiamoroso3066
@gigiamoroso3066 Жыл бұрын
The only confirmed cheater in the f1 esports line-up is Alvaro Carreton and nobody is doing anything about it.
@3pICTheAnimal
@3pICTheAnimal Жыл бұрын
Is it possible tire prep on out lap makes a difference? Also maybe a weird setup combo helps? It's totally possible he could have found a setup combo. Also if it's true pad gets better traction on throttle, is it possible he has pedals that are recognized as pad triggers? Just spit balling ideas here
@souljeah
@souljeah Жыл бұрын
big fan of your content! but not of your 'YOOOO ' intro:))
@aboobakrkaraG
@aboobakrkaraG Жыл бұрын
Basically he’s just cheating the game that’s it
@chatshd
@chatshd Жыл бұрын
What if he is LEGALLY exploiting something no one has thought of ? It is not inconceivable
@CreakingJordans
@CreakingJordans Жыл бұрын
Michael Masi's ghost smiling at the PSGL finale
@azzazz4549
@azzazz4549 Жыл бұрын
Ronhaar beat Alvero and Alvero cheats lol
@marinus6719
@marinus6719 Жыл бұрын
the one thing i dont understand is why is ronhaar still using his hacks. if you are 2 thenths faster anyway, why not just slowly lower it?
@GRSZiik
@GRSZiik Жыл бұрын
If he's 2 tenths faster at every track ever - which he is - and suddenly he's not, that looks sus on it's own. The most telling things about him using grip hacks (which a quarter of a second gap at eSports level is 100% not 'talent'; especially when he isn't using a loadcell pedal which is just worse than using one for pure performance) is the size of the gaps in Q1 - where the track is low grip - and changeable conditions, when he's simply on another planet. But if you go watch Alex Gillon's cheat vids, like JD mentions, the way you get around the anti-cheat is so laughable it's a waste of time them even having it in the first place
@kroshotnickneosun1421
@kroshotnickneosun1421 Жыл бұрын
Fuck man. I really wanted him to be just that quick.
@kyperactive
@kyperactive Жыл бұрын
Last chance to stop cheating Hector.
@alexstavik
@alexstavik Жыл бұрын
Milk
@cikyu_gusta9999
@cikyu_gusta9999 Жыл бұрын
cheating
@Dany_Fox1
@Dany_Fox1 Жыл бұрын
2:06 lol that traction is insane 😂😂😂
@leahx4552
@leahx4552 Жыл бұрын
PSGL Bahrain was quit interesting with Ronhaar being faster than Longuet cutting corners. Can't wait for the review. xD
@deanb970
@deanb970 Жыл бұрын
the thoughts of a little know it all 17 year old cheating for thousands of dollars while I slave 5 days a week for nothing infuriates me 😆😆😆
@XantGaming
@XantGaming Жыл бұрын
Amazing 💞😍
@illwillsquared
@illwillsquared Жыл бұрын
dont use alvaro as comparison my guy. He was outed as a cheater too, you dont have a folder full of cheats on your pc for ne reason. We all grew up with pcs we know how it works.
@illwillsquared
@illwillsquared Жыл бұрын
infact id be surprised if any of them were "legit" its just cheaters mad at other cheaters at this point
@Mercedesesports
@Mercedesesports Жыл бұрын
Proven he’s cheating 😊
@philbancroft3751
@philbancroft3751 Жыл бұрын
Isn't this type of domination what jarno did the past year and half? phyics in this game suck, maybe it sucks just the right amount for ronhars driving style to be optimized
@NiGhtPlayTV
@NiGhtPlayTV Жыл бұрын
Thomas uses red bulls grip hacks
@mjk06
@mjk06 Жыл бұрын
The fact he's been so silent and won't defend himself, tells you EVERYTHING you need to know. He's 100% Cheating.
@kapa2909
@kapa2909 Жыл бұрын
You have to do a video about that psgl season finale with jarnos comments
@SlimTheGoat
@SlimTheGoat Жыл бұрын
It's very simple in my mind, if I was that good I'd show everyone up by replicating the results. I'd invite the doubters to setup a rig and prove it 🤷‍♂️
@chatshd
@chatshd Жыл бұрын
This channel is becoming Limitlesshaar 😂
@pagiordano
@pagiordano Жыл бұрын
Carreton and Ronhaar 1-2, wow! I’m sure it wasn’t due to a grip hack
@priyanshuhazra8644
@priyanshuhazra8644 Жыл бұрын
Longuet mad respect to him today...he drove a brilliant race...shame a disgusting cheater took the glory... he's not even hiding it anymore. Waiting for the race review.
@McNab1986
@McNab1986 Жыл бұрын
Tbf to Ronhaar, ain't nobody ever been so far ahead than Noble, that dude was on another level. Maybe Ronhaar is just a current generation version
@Dolek135
@Dolek135 Жыл бұрын
Noble 2909? Different times. The player base was less competitive back in the day.
@McNab1986
@McNab1986 Жыл бұрын
@@Dolek135 still dominated to the point the rest wondered how no doubt
@Dolek135
@Dolek135 Жыл бұрын
@@McNab1986 I don't remember people accusing him of cheating though. They were just left speculating.
@jasonschmid6979
@jasonschmid6979 Жыл бұрын
Being honest, Noble didn't have exceptional raw pace on F1 2013. The level was just much lower and he was the only one on xbox who even got close to the limit of the game. Now there are houndreds of people who drive more or less perfect and are exploiting the limits of setups, track limits etc. So having a big gap like ronhaar is basically impossible now, because the air is much thinner compared to 10 years ago.
@McNab1986
@McNab1986 Жыл бұрын
@@Dolek135 It doesn't manner, the point is being left wondering how someone can go that fast. Which is exactly what causes people to accuse others of cheating, as they don't see how they can go that fast. It's the same feeling, one group just wondered this group is accusing, that's where the difference is
@Luca-ql9jd
@Luca-ql9jd Жыл бұрын
Exited to see the next vid from PSGL finale 😂😂
@thesamaffliction1572
@thesamaffliction1572 Жыл бұрын
Personally a Lan event where they follow the real life circuit would be ideal for F1 Esports. I know that can't stop people using these cheats in other leagues or PSGL etc. But the obvious performance difference from lan to remote leagues would be a better deterant. Even if they held the most the events in a studio LAN enviorment or each team based at the team factories with a rep from Codemasters there to install a fresh version of the game. Then the final batch of races be held in a LAN studio at Yas Marina within the GP weekend. Would draw more eyes to the series/game and have more control against cheating etc.
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