How can we redefine disability? - with Tom Shakespeare

[@StaringCompetition]

Really appreciate the talk. Just one thing I wanted to join up with my experience of the chronic illness community. Contrary to Tom saying they don’t identify as disabled due to it being a “bad thing”, I’ve found they overwhelmingly don’t identify as disabled because they locate their suffering in their condition, not in any social barrier that could ever be accomodated away. They hope for better medical treatments ie drugs and procedures (the opposite of the social model of, say, mental health that hopes for better inclusion and reduced stigma). The predominant view of disability does not accomodate the chronically/invisibly ill, because it’s too positive, not too negative. Among other things of course, in particular the fluctuating nature of “crip queer” where ability is highly variable day to day.

[@BrianPeiris]

An excellent talk. Thank you.

[@TheRoyalInstitution]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@vvitchrozen3073]

Isn't it ironic that the video about disability only has auto-generated subtitles with several errors?

[@lylemcdermott2566]

What are you gonna do? Disable them?

[@AnirudhTammireddy]

@@lylemcdermott2566 calm down shakespear

[@lylemcdermott2566]

@@AnirudhTammireddy No.

[@eitanmuir]

Hahah, maybe not strictly ironic but definitely a sign of problems. I'm guessing RI video dept haven't got any budget allocated for accessibility...

[@BrentEskola]

For mental health, it's important to educate people into understanding that it's real. I'm 58, Bipolar, and that's the only way i can see that treatment of mental illness and treatment of people with mental illness will improve. Too many people simply don't understand that it's real and don't know how to deal with it. If it matters, I haven't been on disability, at least not yet. But I have been to prison, where much mental illness is treated in the US.

[@philipmccrackeniii4575]

I'm almost 56 and slowly finding out that I have something and circumstances have exacerbated the issues.

[@biscuit715]

A relaxing and thought provoking talk, really enjoyed it!

[@CoolGameKanaal]

The point is, that however much a body may be disfunctional, the mind might work the same or better.

[@Meeckle]

The pain due to my brain injury really does suck. But the cognative imparements I now have, are the worst part of it. I'm doing my best to get on with life, but it's a struggle. All this, and I still need to go through hoops to get the minimum of social security payements. Like I chose to be randomly jumped.

[@SoirEkim]

The one thing I noticed about this video that I find disturbing is the size of the audience. Hopefully this lack of attendance isn’t a reflection on society’s level of involvement concerning those with disabilities. Sure there are things in place to help differently abled individuals prosper and contribute of themselves the best they wish to offer in return to our growing community. I feel awareness hasn’t fully blossomed and those who face struggles doing tasks most others take for granted are under appreciated. Could the problem be this subject is a uncomfortable, to be avoided/ignored like a taboo that stays hushed when it manifests itself in the body of another? Let us not turn a blind eye. 5:27 (I’m ranting, My apologies) Share in the comments your interpretation of the audience…

[@biscuit715]

Yeah views don't reflect well either. We've got a long way to go unfortunately..

[@jimbenge9649]

I, and many others, consider myself to be a very able person. Society considers me to be disabled. I can do but I can't do as others do. Therefore I can work tirelessly for my community and for the under privileged but I am not allowed to earn money in a job. I am a scrounger. It's not my problem it's society's problem. By the way, I take so much joy in what I do you can keep your money. I've earned every penny of what I live on.

[@thomasdequincey5811]

Don't anthropomorphise "society", that way resentment lies.

[@reficulgr]

What do you mean you are not allowed to earn money in a job? Do you live in the UK?

[@jimbenge9649]

I used the word 'society' out of sheer frustration because I could not think of a word to describe the faceless minority I am resentful of. Actually society as a whole treats me very well and I them.@@thomasdequincey5811

[@inquaanate2393]

We live in a time when it is controversial to say that being disabled sucks.

[@Amethyst_Friend]

It doesn’t and it does! Like most things, it’s far more nuanced than a sweeping statement like that.

[@DonnyHooterHoot]

No we don't! Lies!

[@burgercide]

I'm blind. I'm all for positive thinking and Working to gain support from greater society but to suggest that being disabled is a positive is just insulting. This talk was offensive.

[@jwillisbarrie]

Thanks for adding actual captions for the Deaf

[@TCraats]

Such a strong rhetoric. Very balanced and well spoken talk!

[@briannewman9285]

"Disability" is being equipped to survive, bodily and/or mentally, in a world different from the world that the majority of people are equipped to survive in.

[@KT-pv3kl]

That word salad makes exactly zero sense and falls flat on its face when you realise that there are several disabilities that quite literally kills people...

[@briannewman9285]

@@KT-pv3kl Assuming that you are referring to things which are the direct cause of death rather than a contributing cause (the way that blindness is a cotributing cause of traffic accidents), I wouldn’t label those as “disabilities.” I’d call them “terminal disorders”

[@elfootman]

The talk needs desperately some structure! Is he just telling stories? At around the 30 min mark he talks about definitions of disability (which is apparently the main subject of the talk). How can we redefine disability? Why should we redefine it? What are some possible new definitions? The talk is painfully asking for some visual aids.

[@jameswilliams3270]

Sounds like you are volunteering a skillset - good for you!

[@tstodgell]

Fantastic topic. Just started watching; hope it's as good as I hope❤

[@21centdregs]

very informative talk, im glad i came back to the royal institute channel to take a look today. i hope that i can find the debate between tom and elizabeth barnes somewhere, because this is very much a one sided breakdown of someone else's position.

[@RichMitch]

Shoutout Newcastle! What's the café he mentions?

[@mathmusicandlooks]

Café Scientifique

[@RichMitch]

@@mathmusicandlooks 🙏🏻

[@mideoryan3375]

Can someone explain what he means by he met his children and grandchildren? Sounded like he didn’t know them

[@roseb5945]

He was being sarcastic

[@pcuimac]

In the past we had progress and people tried to help people with disability to have a better life thru help and innovation. Today we have "progressive" people who try to regulate how we speak and wich words we use to describe people with disability. We have a class of entitledd guardians who try to make your life miserable, if you don't agree with their definitions and wording. They are a thought police that dosn't really care for people, but want to control "dissense". "Thought Crime" is now the BIG thing everybody gets exited about. "Bring out the Guillotine!"

[@mimetype]

You can't call it a Guillotine anymore, It's a restorative other-ablement embracer.

[@FranzKafkaRockOpera]

I don't understand the point of watching conferences about this (or indeed any) topic if all it elicits in you is this miserably incurious regurgitation of barely relevant opinions you've absorbed from pundits.

[@mimetype]

@@FranzKafkaRockOpera Is that because any kind of dissent isn't tolerated by the Kafkaesque?

[@FranzKafkaRockOpera]

@@mimetype Complete word salad. I don't think you've even read the back of a book by him.

[@speedingatheist]

@@FranzKafkaRockOpera You'll never know what he means because you'll never disagree with that thought police.

[@DrBrianKeating]

Wonderful 🙏

[@rendurtv1379]

Oh boy😮

[@yoshtg]

by this definition we are all disabled but some people are more disabled than others

[@jimbenge9649]

Sounds like a good starting point.

[@thomasdequincey5811]

Or, we are all able, but some people are more able than others. Edit: I don't really understand what you're trying to say. I just thought the opposite was a better way to phrase it.

[@teleosus1]

Many years ago, there was some contest to find a new term for the disabled, and a friend of mine came up with... translimited. To go Beyond what limits anyone.

[@thomasdequincey5811]

That's some good nonsense your friend came up with. Kudos!

[@teleosus1]

Everyone is trying to get beyond what is limiting in one's life, even if one is not necessarily disabled. What's wrong, too deep for you to understand?@@thomasdequincey5811

[@KT-pv3kl]

how about we dont engage in woke politics and try to "redefine" everything and use the old definitions because they are sound and logical? not everyone is a spacial snowflake and not everyone is a winner...

[@Aung1988]

Accepting that everything is sound and logical without questioning and dissecting is illogical in itself.

[@SirHargreeves]

Agreed. ‘Redefining’ is just communist newsspeak. It doesn’t change reality.

[@juanpaolomonosolegit]

​@@Aung1988they can't even define woke, it's purely a buzzword for silly people.

[@funkymunky]

​@@juanpaolomonosolegitDefine "silly".

[@funkymunky]

The need to pathologise is the pathology.

[@johnlewis5330]

Thought this channel was supposed to be about science.

[@jameswilliams3270]

Keep searching . . .

[@fellenXD]

"Social science isn't science. I'm very intelligent!"

[@biscuit715]

Did you watch? It's about neuroscience, pyschology and sociology. All of these are sciences

[@Wonega]

Is being ginger a disability?

[@aname4931]

It's a sin, that's what it is.

[@funkymunky]

A mutation. I speak as one. A mutant sinner, that is.

[@Minnevan]

Well, is being devoid of a soul a disability? If so, then yes

[@mimetype]

Well they invented fire and that's why we need the fire brigade.

[@alpotato6531]

Sorry to break it to you mate. Ginger is absolutely a disability. Gingers have no souls. /s

[@kousikdey62]

😂😂 Western Scientific Advertisement At Its Best. Unsubscribing fake channel

[@OCSM1TH]

Lmao "redefining disability" and yet, dudes a fucking genius. Sounds like to me he's the one winning 🫡🫡🫡💯💪

[@jameswilliams3270]

But did his talk make you think? Maybe not yet, for a quick reaction is not the same as deliberate thought. Some things take time, and there is always hope for young people.