How Canada Won the 1987 Canada Cup: The First Round Game

[@chesss1985]

These are really interesting stats from this game from wikipedia: shots 36-30 in favour of soviets and penalties 12 min -4min in favour of canada. This is totally ridiculous , penalties should have been something like 20 min vs 6 min in favour of soviets. So then the shots on goal would have been something like 45-20 and game would have ended something like 7-2. So basically in every game the refereeing was the same shit. Video clip from third game of the final for instance : kzbin.info/www/bejne/iHTLZYOqqcp_q7s

[@unnamed00]

I don't cry that they lost, but what upsets me is that Canadians keep on talking about how they won that Cup, when in reality, if you look carefully, it is nothing to be proud of.

[@tonybenn1000]

Your 100 % right on. canada has never beaten Russia, were just not good enough, and thats the truth.

[@sumeetsinghlehal1907]

I live in Canada and I love it but this is ridiculous. For crying out loud, the slashing call was just awful. The game is fixed or the referees are bought. I do not think that the Russian players can be bought to loose because of the Soviet Union. So, I have to conclude that the referees were bought. A disgrace, I would have preferred it to be fair and let the best man win.

[@unnamed00]

Yes, the Canada Cup was created to show that Canada was still the greatest hockey power. After the embarrassment in 81, it seems that steps were taken to make sure it won't happen again.

[@unnamed00]

The referees in the USSR vs. Canada games in this tournament did not represent the IIHF.

[@unnamed00]

Like Canada has never whined... Canadians have always whined since 72 when they had to play with international rules, meaning they could not play as dirty. Even when they played at home with NHL rules and lost to the Soviets, one would often hear the excuse that it is not fair because they get to practice more together...

[@ejmac11]

Shameful play by the Canadians.

[@unnamed00]

I meant that beating the Oilers and Montreal makes up for the Quebec loss. If you want to be proud of the Flyer game be so, but anyone who is not a Canadian or Flyer fan does not or would not agree. CSKA was not the national team, and when besides 76 did they borrow players?

[@unnamed00]

The number of Canadian infractions and their importance is not comparable to the ones done by the Soviets... You were not impressed by KLM ripping the Canadian defense in these games?

[@Bysheon]

I didn't mean it litterarly. Didn't hade space to elaborate. Meant represented international hockey by just being there and international hockey represented by them. Point is, referees like that, regardless of whether they're from NHL, are a discrase to the game and international hockey in particular, to put it mildly. Should be banned ofc. Still they are rarely not even officially criticized at all.

[@rudymilman994]

How did Canada "win" the 1987 Canada Cup? With a huge help of referees. Shame!

[@9blinger]

The Russian players probably look back and say "we had a great series, sure it was 5 Canadians players and the refs were against us but fair or not, we played a good game". This isn't pointless though I commend the person who put out these videos.. I am a Canadian but I want my team to win honorably. I even remember watching this series and even knowing something wasn't right. What happened to winning with dignity?

[@unnamed00]

In 81, 10 of 20 players who played in the final were from CSKA. There were other famous stars besides Shepelev and Vasiliev, like Shalimov, Kapustin, and Larionov (he was not in CSKA yet).

[@unnamed00]

It seems that Maltsev and Zubkov did not play in the final, and Zubkov was not in CSKA yet.

[@unnamed00]

This and other of my videos are proof of embarrassment. You don't like and don't want to believe this video? Then go watch the game and tell me how it is not representing of the whole 60 minutes. And this game was a tie, one that took a lot of effort from the referee, Noeth, to get.

[@unnamed00]

No CSKA was half the national team usually. And you forget that teams other than CSKA played and won in the Super Series.

[@unnamed00]

For you it is only important that Canada won, but you don't want to care how. And this "sample" shows various parts of the game and it is far from being misrepresenting and biased.

[@unnamed00]

It does not matter if you were there or not. Your interpretation of what you saw is obviously affected by what others have said.

[@unnamed00]

And shots don't mean much. The Canadians outshot the Soviets while losing 8-1 in 1981.

[@9blinger]

I mean those Canadian players such as Gretzky diving isn't a lie, and it's clearly on video .Doesn’t that bother any of us Canadian fans?

[@valpyatigorsky7591]

it should but apparently to many it's "just part of the game"

[@unnamed00]

The crosscheck on Krutov was in game 1 of the finals. I might upload another video about games 1 and 2, which will include this.

[@edrury707]

Officiating in the NHL was lax compared to internation hockey and contributed to a poorer game. Each NHL team had its own set of goons that targeted the great opposing players hence the shortened careers of Bobby Orr and Wayne Gretzky. The winning goal by Lemieux shouldn't have counted and forever taints the series as did Bobby Clarke's breaking Kharlamov's ankle in the 72 series per John Ferguson's request. As a Canadian it dampened my enthusiam for our great Canadian game.

[@unnamed00]

I know the priorities from player and coach interviews. They wanted to win tournaments that had the most international reputation. The Canada Cup was seen as a challenge but not something that determined the best team, since it was a home tournament.

[@unnamed00]

In the 1980 Olympics, it was not Canada that caused the embarrassment. The Canada Cup was third or fourth on the list of the most important tournaments for the Soviets to win. You have to realize that the European countries just did not care for it nearly as much as Canada did.

[@unnamed00]

It is just that the Soviet infractions cannot compare. If you think they are nearly as bad you can create your own video.

[@unnamed00]

If I were a Canadian player I would not be complaining about getting hit on the legs with a stick... Let me guess, Clark complained about that too? Like I said, these are just myths and excuses passed down to fans by people in Canadian hockey.

[@unnamed00]

@tjackson76 Not the only one...

[@unnamed00]

I already did post that for that Flyers-CSKA video and got responses. How can you say that losing that game is embarrassing while criticizing how the Flyers played?

[@unnamed00]

You probably did not even watch these games or the ones in 72 fully, just like most others who like to comment on this. "It all evens out"... Well the Canadian commentators did not think so. I guess the truth hurts too much for you to accept it.

[@unnamed00]

Yes but after they got CSKA off their game by those shameful means.

[@unnamed00]

No, it is more like Canada had to overcome its discipline problems in 72. As far as Tikhonov grabbing the linesman, not sure what happened exactly. Seems like it was a misunderstanding, but they were quick to call a penalty.

[@unnamed00]

Are you including the playoffs? I don't get the same numbers as you (looking in wikipedia, nhl seasons).

[@unnamed00]

Well no one is preventing you from watching the full games yourself and/or making your own video to prove what you said...

[@unnamed00]

The commentators talk about the whole game also. What do they talk about in the end then? The fact that the rough playing Canadians had five powerplays while the Soviets had none shows how the game was officiated.

[@us-Bahn]

The Soviets were very skilled at coming off their blades persuasively. They practiced hard. And it showed.

[@unnamed00]

Well then why did you say: "There was nothing impressive about... leaving the ice because Philly was too rough then losing 4-1 (1976)"

[@unnamed00]

You are talking about club teams now. In 76 the Flyers were allowed to be thugs on ice. Losing 5-1 to Quebec, maybe because CSKA were tired after beating the Oilers 6-3? They then went on to beat the champions Montreal 6-1.

[@unnamed00]

Again, don't only look at a Canadian home tournament. You are just being silly now. So you are going to tell me that the refereeing was fair and Canada did not have advantages? As for embarrassments, when do you think the Soviets were embarrassed by Canada and there was a big shock in the USSR?

[@unnamed00]

How it won does not matter?

[@unnamed00]

"Jealousy gets these 2nd rate countries silver and bronze everytiime." Yes especially in the last Olympics or the last two WCs. You invented the game so that means you can do anything you want when you play? Idiot...

[@Momokabomo]

Canada always has the refs on their side, does any Canadians feel bad about that? You do not even need it since your the best team anyway. Would it not be more fun to win honestly?

[@unnamed00]

The only diving I see here is from Gretzky and Lemieux...

[@unnamed00]

"the winning goal is just as legit as Gusarov's goal earlier after he blatantly tripped Anderson in front of the net then scored on the ensuing play... " "Lomakin spearing guys again... " You are "seeing" things again...

[@unnamed00]

Give me the actual quote by Larionov. Provide real proof, not the suspicions of some silly Canadian author.

[@unnamed00]

I don't dwell on anything, but the Canadians were embarrassed more often.

[@Bysheon]

Ehm, didn't have space to elaborate, but I could have just said "representing international hockey" without adding "fed", which also actually was what I meant. Would have been brilliant. ^^

[@unnamed00]

You could have said that if Canada won by a lot of goals, but in close games like these, the referee can decide the game. Canada was definitely not better as a team, and if this was played in Europe, or at least with a neutral referee, the Soviets would have won most likely. Yes the parts support my argument, but, again, they clearly show the bias and the commentators' comments prove this even more.

[@edrury707]

Tell that to the Todd Bertuzzis, Marty McSorleys, Rick Jodzios and Dale Hunters of the NHL. Better yet, tell it to their victims.

[@edrury707]

There have been a great many Canadian wizards that have played the game. In my opinion Orr was the greatest player ever including any Russian team. The '75 Montreal Canadiens - Red Army game was the best game I ever saw and it was clean, fast and exiting. That's what hockey should be.

[@unnamed00]

Yes, but again this series was not a fair battle, which hurts its reputation.

[@unnamed00]

Generally yes, but the Soviets always took less shots since they preferred to pass so much.

[@tonybenn1000]

@9blinger it bothers me, but then im not a canadian fan , im a hockey fan ! So i see things as they are, & im against organized crime! thats what the NHL. became in 1972 & videos show it over & over again as this one has. it's right in front of our faces, but most of us are so brain washed, winning is ALL that matters, and how we do it, we could't care less !

[@ВасТсу]

А я уже подумал, что среди канадцев нормальных людей нет. Но вы наверно исключение. Если бы наши русские хоккеисты играли также подло как ваши животные, то мне бы стало стыдно и я бы за них никогда не болел. Человек никогда бы так себя не вел, как это тварь саттер, сам выпросил и сам же ударил клюшкой по лицу. Так ведут себя только конченные твари, которые не заслуживают человеческого отношения. Если ваше большинство все это поддерживало, то как можно считать это большинство нормальными людьми. Так что мое отношение к большинству канадцев понятно? Я не против силовой борьбы, но по правилам. Хотите выигрывать, работайте больше, но не занимайтесь подлостью. Подло добытые победы это не победы, это позор.

[@ВасТсу]

And I already thought that there are no normal people among Canadians. But you are probably an exception. If our Russian hockey players played as meanly as your animals, then I would be ashamed and I would never root for them. A man would never behave like this creature Sutter, begged for it himself and hit himself in the face with a stick. This is how only the finished creatures behave, which do not deserve human treatment. If your majority supported all this, then how can this majority be considered normal people. So is my attitude towards most Canadians clear? I'm not against a power struggle, but according to the rules. If you want to win, work harder, but don't engage in meanness. Meanly won victories are not victories, it's a shame.

[@unnamed00]

Looks like you are a joke. In 72 the refs were not against Canada, only against how they played. Infractions which were not called against the USSR were very few in these games compared to what Canada got away with. If you feel otherwise, you can make your own video. Even your commentators were laughing... What other proof do you want?

[@unnamed00]

It seems like you have been "educated" in hockey history by listening to that clown Cherry...

[@unnamed00]

Well they did not just win some games. Plus not all Soviet teams that played were elite and most NHL teams they faced were not poor.

[@unnamed00]

Well the USSR sent teams good enough to win only in 81, 84 and 87. I don't know about 84, but in 87 they probably would have won if the officiating was more neutral.

[@unnamed00]

Where do you get those numbers from?

[@unnamed00]

Yes, but the Soviet wins were more impressive. There was also the Challenge Cup of 79.

[@edrury707]

"when 2 minutes is hardly fitting" - you're making my point for me - bad officating. Take a look at the Maurice Richard film. He was put through hell by goons trying to take him out each game to the point where he wanted to quit hockey. Same thing happened to Orr, Gretsky... Many of us want to watch clean hockey, good puck control and passing, fast skating like the Soviet teams were great at doing and yes when you get bench clearing brawls and cheap shots it does become roller derby.

[@unnamed00]

No but I know it does not comfort you...

[@unnamed00]

I am sure you were impressed by Gretzky's and Lemieux's ability to go down at the right time too, although that all depended on Koharski. Clear and obvious trips and hooks are what is being documented here, not what could have been or what someone wants to see. We all know you lack unbiased opinion... And this video is as biased as the play and refereeing were.

[@edrury707]

Please enlighten us on how many people that you've listed in your prior post actually put people in the hospital or ended someone's career. The facts are that voilence in the NHL is a constant that draws people to the game and as long as the team owners, players and the media are making profits from it they won't rock the boat and will continue getting away with offering the fans a few star players per team mixed with a lot mediocre players who will resort to violence to please the fans.

[@edrury707]

I obviously don't think as much of the Flyers - Clarke and Goon Squad inc., but I do recall rooting for the Flyers during the '75 game. As most Canadians I ate up the "evil empire" bunk, was blinded by nationalism and the notion of the hockey supremacy of the NHL. The Flyers were the embodiment of dirty hockey and if you go for that - fine for you, but lets not pretend it comes close to the original concept of the game. NHL hockey evolved into a gladiator sport akin to boxing or wrestling.

[@unnamed00]

Then why do you repeat exactly the same thing other Canadians say? It is like you have been all programmed...

[@unnamed00]

It is not about how hockey was played back then... Stop with that excuse. I have read interviews of Soviet players like Krutov, Kasatonov, Bykov, and they all remember the BS officiating in the Canada Cups.

[@unnamed00]

You were implying that them leaving the ice was embarrassing.

[@edrury707]

Whoever plays in the NHL whether they're native Canadian or Russian is still an NHL player bound by the same NHL system. Rocket Richard attacked that player after he had his head split open by him. Richard endured a lot of abuse before he cracked. Bad officiating - time and again. You said it yourself. Ask yourself why this happens in the NHL and not in international hockey. I've stated my conclusions. I don't need to rehash this.

[@Laizie]

i just cant aggre with you, if the reff doesn't act this way for canada they may never reff a big game again, just check the game between sweden - canada junior championship the reffs there was also awful, and thats because if the reffs arent that way they never will reff again.

[@unnamed00]

Canada never complained?? Well it was common for the Canadian players, coaches, and media to whine after international games with European referees ... And playing "rough if we want to" implies that your team can do anything it wants, as it is shown here. You have no real arguments and are just flaming here.

[@ververgaert]

I'd sure like to know why Tikhonov grabbed the linesman at the bench. That's a total loss of composure by the coach. Yes some of the calls were bad. A good team overcomes that like Canada did in 1972.

[@unnamed00]

Nice excuses - they were on steroids so Canada had to cheat... Let's see your "links"?

[@edrury707]

You're leaving out the central element which differentiates the NHL from international hockey. Many fans attend games for the violence and the NHL has always exploited that aspect in the past. In international hochey fighting gets you thrown out of a game. Cross checking, interference, boarding calls are more frequent quieting tempers amongst the players. The new NHL rules which are now being applied are signaling a positive turn towards this direction. This trend will hopefully continue.

[@ernzty]

nice refereee

[@edrury707]

Goons went after team stars hence the need for goons on every team to create balance of power which wouldn't have been required if officiating in the NHL had not been lax in the first place caving in to big business interests which in turn were catering to the blood lust of the average fan.

[@unnamed00]

So you are only using wins. Well that is misleading (as you admit).

[@raj2007ca]

Larionov said he always refused the injections but many others took them. When larionov and krutov went to vancouver in the nhl, the canucks trainers said krutov just looked horrible because he was taking steroids in russia and thats why he didnt make a big impact in the nhl. Larionov even though passed his prime still had good years in the nhl. If you dont believe me and want the facts and link ill be happy to email them to u.

[@olaviliikanen69]

Steroids were and are used also in NHL. No testing so why not use?

[@edrury707]

Clarke was a very good player with a sick attitute. If he'd been a Soviet player he wouldn't have made the cut playing for a Soviet team. I'd like to see you take a check to the head and pushed into the boards the way it happened to Gretsky in video dgCmErtaxeE and then tell me its nothing. You wanted some examples of goons going after stars. I gave you 5. Really man - you're full of it and a waste of time.

[@unnamed00]

Like you saw how KLM played in league play in their prime... Yes you are fooled, by your nationalistic pride. Your continuing denial and attempts at excuses are laughable. Video editing? Well yes I guess I edited in those hooks by Hawerchuk on the last goal, Lemieux and Gretzky diving, and all the other "fair" play by Canada...

[@unnamed00]

"the cheating capitalist scum only won cos they bought off the referees is embarrassing" Where do you see me say that? You think we should ignore how those games were really played and blindly worship this series?

[@paddleskipaddle]

2007 World champs, World jr champs 5 yrs and counting... just sayin'

[@bigsoundp]

5 Canada Cup tournaments. Canada won 4 USSR won 1. And this was enough years ago, that if you remember them all, you are obviously old enough that you might want to think about getting over it, comrade.

[@edrury707]

Why don't you take a look at a few hockey forums and see what Canadians say about fighting in hockey. A good percentage are for it. They take it as entertainment. Others are against it. A good percentage of Canadians think Don Cherry is one of the greatest Canadians in history - and Don Cherry thinks fighting is good for the sport. So what level of intellect are we talking about here... Tired of talking to you mate...have all the last words that pleases you.

[@Bysheon]

Canada has always played like this, with few exceptions. Sure it's repulsive and honestly very sad (and ofc most of them try to justify it arguing it's a winning mentality, intimidation is a tactic, part of their hockey culture or whatever which just makes it even sadder) but the truly sad thing is that the referees (representing international hockey fed) let them get away with it. Canada playes less retarded nowadays though, showing the world that they actually can play the game.

[@jarkkoautio8318]

This is a joke.

[@paddleskipaddle]

the editing creates an image, but as the other poster noted you didn't show any of the USSR infractions which weren't called and so is completely biased and therefore not accurate and anyway CANADA IS HOCKEY... man up Russians

[@ВасТсу]

Канада это не хоккей, канада это сплошная подлость и позор и стремление выиграть любой ценой. Не умея играть, но имея большое самомнение, становится обидно проигрывать и поэтому вход идут все грязные приемы. Если подкуп судей, подлые удары, замеры загиба крюка клюшки для вас это норма, то как вас можно считать людьми?

[@ВасТсу]

Canada is not hockey, Canada is a complete meanness and shame and the desire to win at any cost. Not knowing how to play, but having a great conceit, it becomes a shame to lose and therefore all dirty tricks go in. If bribing judges, sneaky punches, measuring the bend of the stick hook is the norm for you, then how can you be considered people?

[@Nvwheeler]

@Вас Тсу kzbin.info/www/bejne/h6e3Y2Wkpp5_pqM

[@ВасТсу]

Я тебе таких роликов когда ваших горилл раскатывали как пацанов, в том числе всухую, могу столько скинуть, что у тебя зубы сведет. Привёл пример (причем очень редкий) из недалекого прошлого, после того когда наш хоккей прошел развал вместе со своей страной. А с начала 90-х годов все лучшие наши игроки играли в НХЛ и научили наконец-то вас играть в настоящий хоккей, а не бей-беги. Ты про это забыл?

[@ВасТсу]

I'll give you such videos when your gorillas were rolled out like boys, including dry, I can throw off so much that it will bring your teeth together. He gave an example (and a very rare one) from the recent past, after our hockey went through a collapse together with his country. And since the beginning of the 90s, all our best players have played in the NHL and finally taught you to play real hockey, not hit-and-run. Have you forgotten about that?

[@raj2007ca]

half your roster was on steroids and you still lost. You want me to post up the link for you? Igor larionov admitted himself that many players were taking ejections before the game provided by there trainers. You want me to post the exact link for you. Look how strong they were on the puck when they in the canadian zone, they made the d look like swiss cheese.

[@shazariahl]

What about when we beat you in the 2010 Olympics? We absolutely destroyed you guys that game, you can't blame it on the refs. And while you say Canada gooned their way to victory over much more skilled players (which is true to a large degree), there were no players more skilled than Gretzky and Lemieux in 1987.

[@alekseyfareast3609]

Gretzky and Lemieux are great players, no doubt. But they are very hyped. So this is a question who was more skilled in 1987. I don't think that the list is limited by Gretzky and Lemieux names. And about 2010. Of course, you don't understand the fact that there's a "little" difference between 1987 and 2010. I'll try to explain it to you. The USSR was collapsed in 1991. Collapsed all the SU's systems (including soviet hockey school). Collapsed SU economics and etc. The biggest part of USSR (the main part) - Russia plunged into economic crisis. With the influx of European (Soviet players) in the NHL in the begining of 90th, the level of the entire league has grown significantly. Canadian hockey school learned a lot from the Soviet hockey school. But our school is now in decline already for many years.. In 2010 OWG team Russia lost naturally (not the kind of coach, not the kind of tactic, shortage of skilled players. in contrast of team Canada coaching stuff and team Canada). In 2010 Canada was playing something like team USSR in the 80th. Canada played pretty good, not dirty. What discussions can we start about Canada's wins and Russia's wins in hockey after 1991? After 1991 the team Russia (former USSR team) was preparing for the tournament quite differently. All the conditions have changed since 1991. And after watchin' 1987 CC there's no doubt to me team USSR could have win team Canada quite easy in case of fair refereeing. It's so obvious. But back to 1987, Canada was afraid of the same major defeat like it was in 1981 when team Canada had Gretzky, Bossy, Robinson, Potven, Bourque, Lafleur, DIonne and other stars. So that's why refereeing was so horrible against our team.

[@theodorekell]

Nobody posted video with complaints about 2010 Olympics

[@СергейИванов-ы1п8э]

Today you obviously better, but this koharsky cup is a joke

[@jazzuffe]

We all know that the best team did not won.

[@josh17beaton]

This isnt Canada's fault, its the refs fault, the canadians did deserve penalties, but u cant blame the team or the Country for the ref.

[@Kenigsbergg39]

I WILL SPECIFY... Not Russia, and USSR! Last years the USSR was stronger than Canada, now Canada is stronger than Russia.