How Cartoon Network Ruined The Ending of Justice League

[@benwasserman8223]

Oh come on, even if Epilogue was clearly intended as a DCAU finale, JLU's series finale was still one hell of a way to go out. Especially Superman's 'World of Cardboard' speech - easily one of my favorite Superman moments in any medium.

[@littledudefromacrossthestr5755]

Exactly! Don't knw whst bro is yapping about

[@BoosterGoldEarth6]

Facts. Homie missed the ball with this video

[@drivabletoaster417]

Same. I know homies gotta make content but this one ain’t it.

[@Volatik2006]

Facts. Crticizing Patriot Act as "just not that great" is appalling.

[@Mr2dmonkey]

Well said, brother, well said.

[@TrevorCopter]

Dwayne McDuffie is an unsung hero of superhero storytelling and his passing robbed us of years of great work. He is SORELY missed

[@TheArtofKAS]

Louder my friend 😭. I still miss him

[@chingma8064]

@@TheArtofKAS Et tu, pal.

[@oftheBlazingNinjas]

Massive agree. His work on Ben 10 is incredible and Omniverse sorely missed him when he passed.

[@ExquisiteKinkyCoils]

😭💕💕😁Exactly!

[@Stanlos]

100%

[@exjohnvibin7009]

The JLU series finale was exactly what it needed to be, with the "self conscious" run at the camera being the perfect way of saying that even after beating the big bads evil isn't gonna rest and the fight goes on even if we aren't there to see it.

[@dcauwatchtower]

Thank you

[@bendavis7923]

Wow, when the guys at @dcauwatchtower gives you kudos you're doing things right.

[@BATMAN-gh1nf]

I agree completely. It was a nice reminder of just how many heroes are part of DC Comics. The heroes running down the steps did so in the teams with which they were associated - Seven Soldiers of Victory, Justice Society, Justice League International, Justice League of America and ending with DC Comics's Holy Trinity (Superman, Batman, and Wonder Woman).

[@goopfunk1780]

Couldn’t agree more. In Justice league (episode titled hereafter) but even more so in the comics, Superman refers to fighting crime/evil as “The Never-Ending Battle” there will always be villains and world ending threats and monster to fight, but there will always be heroes to save us from those things as well. Wonder Woman says “and the adventure, continues” exactly its kind of implied they all just keep doing what they do best, being super heroes, fighting the good fight, and participating in “The Never-Ending Battle”

[@chhayangnaik2195]

Hi, I want to watch this whole series from the start, where can I watch it? On which Platform is it available??? Would really love to watch it.

[@somerandolad]

Man, this just makes me miss hearing Kevin Conroy's voice.

[@arcturionblade1077]

He'll always be my Batman.

[@Marcus-gw4bb]

@@arcturionblade1077 Mine too

[@stevenscott2136]

The last couple of post-Conroy animated movies didn't even seem to be trying. It breaks immersion badly when I sound more like Batman than Batman does.

[@monsemaniaa]

We all miss him❤

[@CanIHaveMyNameBack]

i really miss these DC shows

[@ak_hoops]

Same here!! The movies are cool but gosh the shows were SOO good

[@Ichabodbrain]

​@@ak_hoopsI've been rewatching them before bed lately lol

[@chhayangnaik2195]

​@@Ichabodbrain hey, where do you watch it from? I am actually a huge fan of this, a great childhood memory, but unfortunately not able to find start to end episodes from all seasons, only have access to one season

[@Ichabodbrain]

@@chhayangnaik2195 it's on Netflix and HBO max

[@crazyop5165]

9 anime

[@katmore9]

I know its been 10+ years, but R.I.P. Dwayne McDuffie. What an INCREDIBLE legacy he left behind in terms of animation writing.

[@zmatthew91]

Never too long to say that. Oneof the greats we lost along the way.

[@ian2081]

I strongly disagree. The JLU finale was the sort of giant fireworks displays that most superhero properties only dream of. It’s big, it’s world shaking, everyone gets a moment. Having it end with Lex Luthor being the world saver he always claimed to be was, honestly, kind of perfect. Also, Patriot Act is one of my favorite episodes of the JL/JLU series

[@franklindelanoroosevelt7467]

Thank you! Patriot Act tells the story of what it truly means to be a hero, a protector, a soldier. Shining Knight's speech about not following orders blindly, and saying no to killing innocents is probably in the top ten best moments of the DCAU or Timverse for me. Also I'm a sucker for anything having to do with the Seven Soldiers of Victory!

[@joel2628]

I just commented, but the Patriot Act was also an allegory to the United States government for deciding that they were going to piss all over the 4th Amendment (all to keep us safe).

[@marsdenit2845]

Nerdstalgic is a critic. He is only capable of being negative or saying a show was "ruined." He is not a real fan. All he can say is, "this show is ruined."

[@TheGuyInTheCheapSeats]

​@marsdenit2845 Sometimes I think he's just aiming for rage bait.

[@earlr2992]

I agree. I loved every episode of Justice league and Justice Unlimited. Still watch repeats when I can. I wish they would have kept going with the series.

[@hatsoff77]

I have nothing but respect and admiration for JL and JLU! It’s 20 years later and it’s still the best superhero cartoon of all time!

[@huntermoffitt3959]

One thing I remember about this show is how pissed Lex Luthor is when Gorilla Grod achieves his plan, and Lex’s reaction is priceless. “You just wanted to turn people into Apes?”

[@lordsxman]

Hands down one of my favorite moments too! 😂😂😂

[@bgeardigital]

The follow up later was even funnier. When Lex takes over someone asks "Do you want to make us all bald?" Lol

[@boardcertifiable]

Well Lex had a point, it was a dumb plan

[@darksideofevil13]

I don't get how Grodd survived getting shot in the face by him though.

[@Narutoanime16g]

😂😂Lex had the best lines

[@whisper_xi]

“Patriot Act” is one of the best episodes of the entire franchise. I have no idea what show you were watching.

[@_BlockDeNotas]

I came to say exactly that.

[@edwinkelly5222]

Agreed!

[@megapunk1474]

How can someone not like this episode? Heroes without real powers fighting basically the red hulk. Proving to be a hero U don't have to be superman, just try to be better and fight to help others. This episode was my moral compass growing up.

[@earlr2992]

I agree. I loved every episode of Justice league and Justice Unlimited. Still watch repeats when I can. I wish they would have kept going with the series.

[@gretsky3463]

Not to mention it’s very on the nose name and political commentary is great.

[@milkiassamuel780]

The DCAU holds an incredibly special place in my heart as it introduced me to countless characters and the incredible world of DC comics that got me into comics and characters like Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman, Flash, Green Lantern, Martian Manhunter, Aquaman etc... and sooooooooooo many more. Though you could say some of the shows weren't stellar and had to take time to build up to the phenomenal stories they would tell, it still left a major impact that is still felt to this day and rightfully praised. Honestly I actually like the ending of the show as it truly felt grand and epic while concluding character arcs like Lex Luthor which I really liked.

[@Marcus-gw4bb]

This show and the rest of the DCAU really is a love letter to all DC fans worldwide. It tackled so many mature themes without talking down to its audience, ie. the children watching the show and like you said, its impact is still felt across the entertainment medium till this very day. I strongly believe no other animated show will ever come close to this level of connectivity and masterclass writing in terms of building an animated universe.

[@MarkLaw13]

Those 00s, 90s and 80s cartoons hit different. Made with so much love under so many restrictions

[@topdawg2916]

80s cartoons besides the late 80s ones suck

[@hustle_simmons]

Terry is not a clone. He's Bruce's actual son down a genetic level. When Terry's father went in for a flu shot the nanites in it rewrote his reproductive material to be Bruce's DNA. So Terry is basically a child of Bruce and Terry's mother. A clone would imply that he is just a full on copy of Bruce when it most definitely isn't. Amanda explains the full Batman Beyond project and what she did.

[@Dragoon7485]

Also Terry isn't "Batman Beyond." That's the name of the show. Terry is just Batman.

[@tubechris]

Thanks, I came here to say the same thing.

[@ironheart5830]

And I don't like the ideas of Batman dynasty I wish Terry is someone who is unrelated to Bruce.

[@draketheduelist]

​@@ironheart5830 Ditto. At least Terry wasn't just a Robin (proof Bruce has taken in kids with potential like Terry before without having to literally be their genetic father), but it felt like it retroactively cheapened everything Terry had been through all series, like the only reason anybody could _possibly_ like Terry was because of his pedigree. Because as everybody knows, you can only be a beloved superhero if you're born with enough midichlorians. 🙄 It also cheapens the death of Warren McGinnis, a scene that was supposed to be Terry's Uncle Ben moment. With the revelation that Bruce essentially testicle-jacked (I _wish_ there was a better word for that, I really do...) Warren, is the implication that Terry no longer thinks of his father the same as before now that he knows? That's cold, considering Terry's entire origin revolved around finding out who killed his dad. Even filler episodes occasionally made it clear that the reason Terry is the kind of person he is is because of how Warren, not Bruce, raised him. This is to say nothing of the fact that rewriting a man's nut sauce is now a canon thing that you can do with sufficient technology in the DCAU. Did Bruce have backup spawn? Exactly how many Brustards are running around Neo Gotham? This takes the cake over coming up with contingency plans to kill all his colleagues as one of the most insane things Batman has ever done, IMHO. It should probably qualify as some kind of s3xual assault. And for what? A man that magnetically attractive to literally all women should not have had that much trouble finding one willing to ride the Batmobile.

[@Stephanieeeeeeuhhhhh]

@@draketheduelist i would say its more like, it makes the story of terry more gross as his literal mother changed his genetic code and never told him, basically forcing him into the life he lead and even then he excelled and became more.

[@UraharaShoten]

These shows were truly epic and under-appreciated.

[@themmacommunity805]

Woah. The idea of the great brain robbery being a great episode and the patriot act being weak is insane to me. Even as a kid I realized how one was a funny time episode and the other a tale of street level heroes embodying what a hero stands for.

[@ZenKrio]

"You're the only one here with Superpowers" is one of the most memorable lines from the series IMO. I'll admit, I used t find the episode quite boring way back, but now that I'm older, I see what the message was and I have a lot of respect for the episode. The Brain Robbery Episode only sticks with me for two parts, when Flash as Lex has to bang that sorceress and she's impressed with how giving he was. And when Lex as Flash goes to see who Flash is under the mask and he still doesn't know who he is. That always gets a laugh.

[@MSultan84]

100% agree, I did a double take when he said patriot act wasn't a high point.

[@philleW12]

The only low point about Patriot Act is that there is no follow up episode to it. I would really have liked one more episode with Elling. Patriot Act stands out as one of the most memorable episodes to me and to me embodies why Justice League Unlimited works so well. Namely, that the new cast is able to carry the torch, all heroes may not be as great or powerfull as the original seven but even the more unknown heroes have their moments to shine.

[@Felsmukk]

Cause I'm evil.

[@cacho100uva]

Came here to say this. I can agree with most points made in the video but Patriot Act being described as "not that great" is just baffling. In fact there are entire video essays on this platform about the episode and its great message.

[@shadrackudevbure8604]

Ok I’m just gonna say this because no else is, Patriot Act is a great episode. At least one of my personal favorites. It gave spot light to some lesser known characters that really made me get more interested in them. And Shining Knight’s showdown with Eiling was awesome. And the ending with the citizens standing up for the heroes, just beautiful. Put some respect on Patriot Act. But yeah the Supergirl center of the earth one was pretty mid.

[@mastertreescout]

Patriot Act is one of my favorite episodes! It's basically a shining example of everything I love about Superheros. I was definitely surprised about the "not that great" remark. In fact, I'm not sure I've ever heard anyone talk about it in a negative light before. I guess that just goes to show how different everyone's take can be; even on things we mutually enjoy.

[@Leadeshipcoach]

loved Patriot Act!

[@stevendobek4055]

If you ask me, getting another season with these characters and the quality *did not* dip (even the weaker episodes of the season are top quality superhero storytelling imho), season 3 was a gift and something I will be grateful for we got. It being a loving tribute to the best Superfriends season (Challenge) was icing on the cake.

[@logicallgaming]

can we just appreciate how well this holds up today for being 23 years old?

[@MitchCyan]

And it’s still the best DC adaptation to date.

[@josephvlogsdon]

I think it’s sad that there hasn’t been a great DC animated show since Justice League. They’ve put all their effort into animated movies, which are better than most of the live action movies. Although the last season of Justice League was weaker, I still enjoy the speech Superman gives at the end about losing control to Darkseid. It was one of his best moments.

[@zemox2534]

Weaker? How? Just because it told more classic Superhero stories in contrast to the watchmen inspired early seasons of jlu?

[@captainmarvelous7678]

Have you not heard of Young Justice? Its at the very worst 80% as good as Justice league. Imo the first 2 seasons of Young Justice are are stronger than any 2 seasons of Justice league combined.

[@cliffturbo2146]

You should check Young Justice. It's almost there with Justice League.

[@lordsxman]

​Young Justice, with its time jumps, unresolved storylines, and chaotic plots in seasons 3 & 4 make it a lesser series than Justice League to me. Don't get me wrong, when Young Justice 3 was only available on the DC Online app, I paid for it. But JLU was more fun, succinct, and focused story wise.

[@FanSeitz]

@@lordsxman Young Justice Season 1 is the best season, though Season 4's finale I liked, however, it was the episode I enjoyed the most since Season 2's finale.

[@Crimson28]

The DCAU is the greatest animated franchise ever. It set the standard for all the characters featured.

[@KlaelDemon]

Although I may have not been satisfied with the ending, the moment when Lex things he's bringing back Braniac, only for Darkseid to appear, is a peak moment for me.

[@bensneb360]

I truly grew up in a special time… and seeing all the DC heroes run to the screen off to fight crime is such a sitting in fist pumping ending

[@hunterkiller1440]

"You gonna wash your hands?" "No...because I'm evil."

[@Dragoon7485]

I think you're seriously misreading the ending there -- there's no cliffhanger. They do not "vow to track down" Darkseid and Luthor. They mention some skepticism that they aren't really gone for good, but it's definitely not a cliffhanger.

[@jturner2577]

Exactly the Big Bads are defeated.

[@jasonguinn6075]

Rest in peace Dwayne McDuffie

[@abc_cba]

Here in India, Justice League was my 3rd most favourite cartoon show after X-Men and the Spiderman animated series. Nostalgic vibes!! I watched the whole two seasons of Justice League a week back. 😅 I loved that episode where Solomon Grundy passes away and Hawk Girl cries for him. I hated the episode where Hawkgirl's alien gang shows up on Earth to rule.

[@zainmudassir2964]

In Pakistan too. Good thing Urdu and Hindi close enough to verbally understood,even watched anime like Naruto in Hindi. Thank you 👍

[@abc_cba]

@@zainmudassir2964 Well, as a 90s kid, I have special memories with this show. Not sure of Naruto? I haven't heard of it. Hindi and Urdu are both Hindustani, so, I'd consider them to be dialects. Btw, are you a Punjabi speaker or a Sindhi speaker at home?

[@shinysparklycleanhindu]

It is your third favourite show because you are the son of your third dad. Your mom had two failed marriages before marrying a third husband.

[@abc_cba]

@@shinysparklycleanhindu aww. No wonder you're a Hindu with all this hatred imbibed within. Typical traits of religious freaks. Atheism is anyway growing everywhere. Get a life.

[@godzilladude1231]

I disagree with this, especially on the slander to Patriot Act. It was an amazing episode to showcase street level and minor superheroes in a big fight that they should have lost, but fought fot anyways. It was amazing

[@raphaeldelaghetto85]

The brilliant thing about Epilogue is that you can watch it after season 3 and it still works as the finale.

[@sophieamandaleitontoomey9343]

These shows really captured the spirit of the DCU.

[@blindjedi636]

Clearly one of us is blind because the final shot of Batman, the guess that kickstarted the whole thing is such a great end to everything that I can’t understand how it can be seen as ruined.

[@StareachValcin]

I honestly don't think that the justice league unlimited series finale was bad. It was a good way to end a justice league series.

[@Volatik2006]

What are you guys smoking? Patriot Act is one of the best episodes of Justice League Unlimited and the DCAU in general. It's one of the best pieces of superhero media ever created. Shining Knight and Vigilante were established as absolute GOATs in that episode.

[@person14904]

The episode Patriot Act is one of my favorite episodes. All the heroes without powers working together and going up against the unstoppable General. It has great actions and shines a light on lesser known heroes.

[@kylewilliams8028]

Patriotic Act is just not that great? Are you kidding? That's one of the best episodes they've ever made in the DCAU. And it didn't even have any of the big names in it.

[@joaquinbarboza3223]

J.K. Simmons and C.H. Pounder were in it.

[@kylewilliams8028]

@@joaquinbarboza3223 I meant the characters, not the actors

[@SSJRome]

The Superman/Batman animated series’s to the JL/JLU series was peak era television

[@rubyr8922]

honestly, even though Destroyer did feel rushed and defiantly needed to be a two-parter it did give us that amazing Superman "world of cardboard" monolog

[@cattameme]

This is literally the best show ever made. It's rewatchability is infinite and thats how you know a show is good, by its rewatchability. (is that even a word) anyways, this show and Avengers Earths Mightest Heroes. I still think about Booster Gold and Captain Americas story being replaced by the Skrull episode at least weekly.

[@gt8932]

THEY COULD’VE MADE THIS SHOW 20 SEASONS. Featured more hero/villain deaths, domestic and intergalactic retirement, the rise of batfamily, youngstars (Young Justice) etc.

[@thedefinitionisthis]

The final season definitely felt like (and by Bruce Timm's admission) a "tacked on" season, especially coming off the Cadmus Storyline and the flash-forward to "Batman Beyond". That being said, it was still a great epilogue season, that managed to expand the lore of the DCAU further, and get some really memorable episodes and moments. The Flash-centric episode "Flash & Substance" was a great focus on the scarlet speedster, finally giving us insight into how his alter ego Wally West carries on his civilian life, and more importantly why he's such a great hero in his own right (even if his lone takedown of Luthor/Brainiac the season prior was more than enough proof of the fact). "The Great Brain Robbery" was a fun ep, not only allowing Michael Rosenbaum to "voice" Lex Luthor, as he was playing a live-action version of the character on "Smallville" at the time, but also give Clancy Brown a chance to provide some of his hidden-comedic chops as he voiced Flash who was in Lex's body. We also finally got the real Hawkman in the DCAU with a pretty compelling backstory, that was true to different eras of the comics. And with his introduction, we also got a sense of closure in terms of the John Stewart/Shayera romance. And come on, we get the legendary "cardboard" monologue from Superman, as he takes on Darkseid. The season itself might've lacked the sense of urgency of the previous season's Cadmus Arc, but it was by no means something that "ruined" the ending of Justice League. The one-two punch of "Justice League" and "Justice League Unlimited" still stands as a prime on-screen superhero adaptation, that can rival even some of the best of the MCU, and for DAMN sure runs circles even around the JL adaptations in the DCEU and even the DCAMU.

[@EpicSlash]

Saying "Patriot Act" is a weak episode is one of the biggest L opinions I've ever heard regarding this show.

[@dsh582]

I just wanted to see Diana and Bruce, a proper happy ending, in only one universe

[@TrippleBPlays]

Batman Beyond sadly already told us that Bruce would be alone.

[@wickedblackheart26]

@@TrippleBPlaysyou never know. All we can speculate they might had a daughter

[@nikeneon3188]

@@wickedblackheart26 Well he almost had kid with his main love interest in this universe.....with Barbara of all people

[@joaquinbarboza3223]

@@nikeneon3188FBI, Bruce! Open up!

[@philiphockenbury6563]

You did not just say that Patriot Act wasn’t that good. It’s probably one of the best episodes they ever put out. Different strokes for different folks. But Patriot Act is genuinely amazing and I will not have you slander its good name.

[@preachcaleb]

I completely agree. It's one of my favorite from season 3 of JLU, and it shows just how good the writing was. That we could have an entire episode without any of the major A-List superheroes and it's still full of great action and character moments. Shining Knight is truly the MVP of that episode.

[@Gundam04]

Oh please Justice League and Justice League Unlimited were the best shows Cartoon Network had. This right here was a template for the entire dceu but those idiots of the WB decided not to take it and now look what happened

[@powerlocks]

The part where superman talks about how he treats everything like cardboard. was amazing!

[@Volatik2006]

What are you guys smoking? The ending was epic. Superman vs Darkseid was epic.

[@Leadeshipcoach]

😊👍👊🏿

[@JF1J]

It was also a great closure for the ending of STAS.

[@prixodiydacha8114]

​@@JF1JI have a question what writes smoke when they decided to retcon Terry origin, make him Bruce son is big mistake and epilogue itself is a huge plot hole

[@goopfunk1780]

In Justice league (episode titled hereafter) but even more so in the comics, Superman refers to fighting crime/evil as “The Never-Ending Battle” there will always be villains and world ending threats and monster to fight, but there will always be heroes to save us from those things as well. Wonder Woman says “and the adventure, continues” exactly its kind of implied they all just keep doing what they do best, being super heroes, fighting the good fight, and participating in “The Never-Ending Battle”

[@lesterwilliamsjr649]

That Batman bringing cash scene just shows that this version is comedy gold.

[@QueenXanadu]

I just finished re-watching JL and JLU last week so this came just in time. ^_^ Great video essay! I agree that the ending was a bit odd. I didn't even realize there was another season after Epilogue, so when Netflix kept going with the next episode, I was confused. I'm glad we got more episodes, but I wish it had ended better.

[@earlr2992]

I loved every episode of Justice league and Justice Unlimited. Still watch repeats when I can. I wish they would have kept going with the series.

[@ShadyRK9]

Cash is better than a gift certificate! I like this Batman!

[@stevenscott2136]

I always wondered how much it was. This is a guy who doesn't even blink at the cost of replacing his million-dollar car yet again, gifting the man who literally saved his life not long before.

[@Zorro3k6]

I actually really enjoyed season 3 of JLU. While the overall plot of Luther and his Legion of Doom wasn't as great as the Cadmus arc in the previous season, it was still fun. I even liked Destroyer simply because of Superman's line, "I feel like I live in a world made of cardboard. Never letting myself slip for even a moment or someone could get hurt. But you can take it, can't you big guy? What we have here is a rare opportunity for me to cut loose." I'm not a massive Superman fan, but I will admit, that battle was really cool to watch. The ending did leave me with a "huh?" moment though. I didn't really understand exactly what Luther did or how any of that worked. Still wish there was a follow up to it. Anyway, thanks for a great video.

[@shauntempley9757]

Why Luthor did what he did in that finale is simply due to his obsession to remerge with Brainiac, which of course, only ended up by bringing Darkseid back instead.

[@Zorro3k6]

@@shauntempley9757 I know that. I meant when he used the anti life equation and just teleported himself and Darkseid away. It was a cop out sort of ending and wished there was a follow up on it

[@shauntempley9757]

I totally agree. The key reason that occurred, is due to Bruce Timm's detesting of Crisis stories. He especially said that when Final Crisis was going, which, of course, featured Darkseid with the anti life equation as the main problem, and source of every threat in that story.@@Zorro3k6

[@GotmerKed]

It's not over though. The OG team has been confirmed for Crisis.

[@joaquinbarboza3223]

And they all got deleted from the film.

[@zachschmitt3654]

I liked the JL Unlimited finale When Superman says “all my life I feel like I’m in a world made cardboard,…but you can take it can’t you big man” that fight between Superman and Dark side was AWESOME!!! Superman finally wasn’t holding back. I loved it I only wish it was longer

[@KadeSutherland]

JL & JLU was & is GROUNDBREAKING for its time🎉

[@dynaguy3]

Wrong. Epilogue is a good ending for Batman Beyond and Batman the Animated Series, but not Justice League. The season 3 ending actually involved the league and gave us one of the most epic Superman moments of all time

[@CharltonGarmon]

It most likely is mentioned in the comments somewhere, but I couldn't find it, the finale episode was continued int comic form which wraps up the entire multiverse fighting against an anti-life equation AMAZO while the original tries to make it like himself. The comic is called: Justice League Infinity

[@neilhannan5112]

If I are nickel for every time Cartoon Network ruined a superhero show with endings I would have 2 nickels Which isn't a lot but it's weird that it happened twice

[@mrmacross]

Cartoon network ruined more than 2 superhero shows. Consider JLU, Young Justice, Beware the Batman, and the Green Lantern animated series.

[@Riyan-m9b]

@@mrmacrosshow is JLU ruined it is far better than young justice end up being

[@mrmacross]

@@Riyan-m9b I'm just taking the video's topic at face value. I don't necessarily agree, but the bigger point is that CN ruined a lot of its superhero shows.

[@dagum1337]

Bro said Patriot Act “was not that great,” what an edge lord

[@ryderwalls328]

Calling “patriot act” a weak episode threw me off. It was always one of my favorites from the series.

[@billywilliams8378]

Epilogue feels like it’s title. It always felt tacked on at the end of that season to wrap up another show who didn’t really get a series finale iirc. It was a good episode if you watched Batman Beyond but I can’t see it being a series finale of anything related to the Justice League.

[@rwg6357]

I mean... There is a very vocal part of the Fanbase who thought making Terry a "Clone" of Bruce was a fucking copeout

[@0Impeesa]

I mean, the episode very specifically says he's not a clone, he's a son (by DNA).

[@mrmacross]

@@0Impeesa Nonetheless, a lot of fans had an issue with it. It implied that Terry's accomplishments were made possible thanks to inheriting Batman's fantastic genetics. Terry's journey became less his own and started becoming more of a continuation of Bruce's. It also created the bit of a plothole on how Terry's little brother is also Batman's son...

[@MSultan84]

Patriot Act is one of the best episodes of the series...weird that you'd frame it as a lowlight

[@EVacStation]

Love how, despite how good THIS version of Justice League is, all Justice League iterations suffer at the hands of corporate meddling. Some just come out way less damaged than others. It's almost like WB (as well as CN) have literally no idea what they're doing with this brand. Ever.

[@joshfactor1]

i'll grant you the lex cliffhanger is a bit frustrating but apart from that, i think they did a pretty good job of giving us closure

[@BM-sg1sl]

You’re bugging that was a great ending to the series!

[@WhoIsThisGodPersonAnyway]

Archer The end of the final season left SO many cliffhangers. And then it just *ended*. I’m so glad they made the hour long finale Into The Cold so we weren’t left wanting forever

[@Bujiboy96]

Love your work Nerdy. Keep it up and Happy New Year Bro!

[@sasamichan]

I like the world of Cardboard and the ending where very one runs towards the camera. Epilogue was a good ending too. But I like what we got at the end too. over all Networks are too obsessed with toy sales and Demographic. A good idea would be to go in with a planed ending, be aloud to do it and to not return even if asked and if you do return to be promised an exact end date so you can write a solid ending. other good endings could be "The Return" "The Once and Future Thing" "Clash" "Divided We Fall" Justice League vs. the Fatal Five JLA Adventures: Trapped in Time Justice League: The Flashpoint Paradox Justice League: War Justice League Dark: Apokolips War Batman and Superman: Battle of the Super Sons Justice League: Warworld Crisis on Infinite Earths Final Crisis Blackest Night Batman: Death of the Family Batman: The Return of Bruce Wayne Doomsday Superman: At Earth's End JLA: Act of God Futures End Im just tossing ideas out there to see if they work. for THIS show we would have to rewrite the scrips so they fit the Animated series time line. for the sake of discussion of the stories I listed what ones would have been fun if they were told in the Bruce Timm style with Bruce Timm as the head writer in the Bruce Timm time line with THOSE characters? What ones would we have to completely change to make it fit? What ones would never work? What ones slide in nicely to the story? of the ones that are JLU episodes what ones would have left you happy if the series had just ended there? Ignore IRL time line, Im creating a world where Bruce Timm created that idea in the early 2000s ignore who actually wrote it and what year it actually came out. Just Hypothetically these iconic comic book stories now get written for the 1st time in 2007 . Take that story and completely change it to reflect 2007, make it fit the JLU Network standards and give it a Satisfying ending. What does the NEW version look like now that we have changed it? What did I just save? what did I just destroy? I'm curious to find out.

[@civilwarfare101]

It's not the best ending in the world but there is no such thing as a "good ending" in a superhero story. It's just fighting bad guys endlessly until they stop making money.

[@yahozak]

In my headcanon, the Batman Arkham games were a continuation of the DCAU, of course, all thanks to the voice talents of the definitive Batman and Joker actors - Kevin Conroy and Mark Hamill.

[@lordsxman]

I really loved the whole CADMUS arc of JLU season 1. It was so much fun and involved. I liked Destroyer. It wasn't as satisfying as Epilogue but I do feel Lex Luthor had a great arc during the series which culminated in him proving he's the smartest of all by "solving" the anti-life equation and accomplishing what Superman couldn't do: save Earth from Darkseid.

[@ianl4743]

I absolutely hated Epilogue. It took away just about everything that made Terry special. He never needed to have Bruce's DNA to be Batman, which is what made his motivation, growth and overall character so unique. The DNA and Waller's manipulation took that all away and replaced it with forced legacy. It was a step too far.

[@UltraVioletKnight]

it was done to explain why he and his brother has black hair without making his mom a cheater

[@ianl4743]

@@UltraVioletKnight Or maybe, hear me out, she dyes her hair? Or it's the future, maybe they have a permanent pigment change solution?

[@brianr1371]

You got this all wrong. The last episode was amazing! Patriot act was also amazing, because it wasn't the normal lineup!

[@Devils_Lair_Comics]

Bro really said "Patriot Act" wasn't a good episode ☠️

[@KuroOokami167]

The link is currently NOT in the description for Batman Beyond

[@marqijackson6103]

I still would have kept watching, I was satisfied with the ending.

[@jamesd4695]

Yeah. That’s a no from me. All endings were pretty good. Destroyer has enough moments (like Superman’s speech) to make it super memorable. Would I have liked to see it continue? Of course - I’m sure that a lot of us would have. But what we got was great.

[@dcauwatchtower]

Timm and co. were trying to make a Justice League cartoon happen as early as 1996, or possibly before, when the initial idea for "Superman: The Animated Series" was to be a rotating cast of League characters. Did you use our upscaled "First Mission" video? We collaborated with Toonami Remastered for that one. If so, would be lovely to be credited, or at least TR to be. The show doesn't end on the League "vowing to go find Luthor and Darkseid." They assume they're either dead or will show up again sometime. They're chasing off after the other supervillains. Why why why spoil so many things? Epilogue, Starcrossed, Destroyer, etc. Don't even give people a chance to learn these things organically. I personally hate getting negative comments like this myself, so I'm not trying to be too hateful here, but dang. I just don't get the point of this channel sometimes.

[@SHLVideos]

If the DCEU was just a live-action version of this show, I have to imagine it'd be a lot more successful, or at least I'd like it more.

[@philliptivis3082]

I loved Season 2 of JLU. The villain civil war was fantastic. Especially Lex's goodbye to Grodd: LL: "Goodbye, Grodd. It could have gone the other way." GG: "It really could have, couldn't it?" LL: "No, but why speak ill of the dead." Just brutal...

[@DustyPurple24]

Season 3 was great, overall. Destroyer was the Infinity War or Endgame of my childhood

[@nathannate5982]

Happy to see you covering more Justice League!

[@gabrielgomes4228]

I agree Destroyer is quite open ended, but the episode itself is epic! Since these comic book super heroes adventures never end, it works well. Never seen a problem with it. Good video though. Loved the behind the scenes stuff about the show.

[@_birdie]

would love for you to do a video about CeCe from New Girl-- how they successfully changed/evolved her character. You did an amazing one for Schmidt, but i kept hoping you'd also make one about her (and Winston as well haha. but i realize beggars can't be choosers)

[@SourRobo8364]

Oh that's a load of BS. Season 3 was great. Patriot Act was a fantastic episode.

[@WiseGuyUE92]

👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾 Starcrossed, Cadmus & Epilogue are some of the greatest storylines ever written

[@ak_hoops]

I loved watching JL & JLU, I’ve even been watching them again. But gosh what a broken record it sounds to hear “executive meddling” with WarnerBros 🙃

[@jitroglennwcmandagi]

Warner Brothers Animation need to reissued this cartoon.

[@hugostarmountain]

Patriot Act was on of my favorite episodes.

[@andrewhunter596]

Did this guy really call the "Patriot Act" episode not that great?

[@madmanmark8387]

Epilogue would have been a good way to end the show for sure, but an all-out battle in season 3's ending was a good way to end this. The series is a breath of fresh air. It blows away the Superfriends of the 1970s and 1980s cartoons. I am guilty of seeing those growing up, and they seem corny compared to these shows.

[@braddua]

And why they made one of the most powerful superheroes into a wuss is epic too!

[@somerandolad]

It's a good thing they redeemed Superman in the second season.

[@BoosterGoldEarth6]

He wasn't a WUSS!! After Darkseid brainwashed him in the SAS. He lost confidence which explains why he seem off

[@mrmacross]

@@BoosterGoldEarth6 Nah, he was a wimp. They had to address this. Some actual Bruce Timm quotes: "What happened was [that] we fell into a rut of Superman getting knocked down and then not getting back up. It wasn't something [that] we realized was happening until we started getting the episodes back and the fans on the Internet started saying, 'Hey, wait a minute, Superman can't take a punch anymore!?' And we were saying, 'Oh my God, they're right!'" "The trap we fell into on Justice League was, again, we have seven of these guys and whatever villains they go up against have to be big, powerful villains. So we used the easy trick of saying, ‘Okay: the villain walks into the scene and takes Superman down with one punch.’ [That way], we automatically know that he's a bad guy and it's going to take the entire Justice League to take him down. We didn't handle that with enough finesse." "I’ve admitted elsewhere that we dropped the ball with Superman’s portrayal in Season One of Justice League, not out of malice, but merely inattention; thus we did end up temporarily with the slightly daft, bland, cornball boy scout, [but] when we all realized what was happening, we took steps to re-vitalize him in Season Two."

[@devoncoleman9023]

Season three was a huge for me as a teen. Although it felt rushed, it just seemed to deliver in so many ways that all I wanna say is thank God this show exists.

[@JuanCAraujoS]

The good thing about "Epilogue" beign a finale and a stand-alone episode is that you could place it AFTER "Destroyer" and would still work if you're watching the show now.

[@dariusporter358]

I have an idea on how to make a Superman game. Sure he can’t get hurt but I think Superman returns had the right idea of giving the city a health bar. Expand on that. There can be 3 health bars that you have to watch. One for the city just like returns. It would lose health whenever destruction happens to the city. Whether it be from the enemy or the player themselves when they are fighting. It doesn’t matter how small. There would be a regular health bar. This would mostly be for when you are fighting bosses since I would assume the bosses would be able to hurt him. I sometimes hear people say that all the criminals can just have kryptonite weapons but considering how unrealistic that is I don’t really like it. That said it wouldn’t be that unrealistic if only a faction of enemies had them. Red sun grenades too. During the story Lex Luther or Maxwell Lord can recruit an army for hire and supply them with the kryptonite. During the open world when you run into the other enemies u just have to watch the city health and the 3rd health bar I haven’t mentioned yet. When u run into the hired army u have to watch all 3. The 3rd health bar would be for the city’s hope. The more the bar loses the more the city loses hope. This bar would lose health whenever you fail to save people during the mission and it would lose a lot if u accidentally kill somebody. Civilians or enemies. For example u can use heat vision but if use it with people around u run the risk of hitting someone with it. Also using it on human enemies is a no go. (Don’t worry there would be plenty of non human enemies like robots or aliens). It would also be fine using ur more lethal attacks on bosses since all the ones I’m thinking of can handle it like: Doomsday, Mongol, Lex in his armor, Metallo, etc. I feel all these things would really give you that world made of cardboard feeling very well. You would still be OP but the world not being OP is where the challenge comes in. Some might say this is a lot but ur playing as Superman. These are problems he has to deal with. This is my ideal Superman game.

[@stevenscott2136]

I'm not sure how the "hope" and "city" bars differ. Maybe the city bar only gradually recovers at a fixed rate (construction takes time), while the hope bar can be greatly boosted with a single major accomplishment?

[@tails512]

This feels off the mark. Epilogue was good as a finale, but so was Destroyer. I’ve rewatched Destroyer more than most other episodes of the series.

[@andagean]

This is why I always wait to watch Epilogue till last

[@BassMatriX]

Anyone else Mandela effected into thinking Epilogue *was* the finale?

[@reybat4969]

What did they expect? They put the show on Saturday evenings. Most of the people like myself were working or going out at night. I would have to catch it on reruns most of the time. It’s a great show and it’s truly missed. RIP Kevin and Mcduffy