How Cheap Can a Battle Rifle Get? | Anderson AM10

The Anderson Am10 is a fairly promising (at least on paper) LR308 pattern rifle. That gives you all you need and not a single bit more for a really competitive price.
But does it run?
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[@enochprophet2794]

Appreciating the AR10 content. Here in South Africa I bought the Smith & Wesson M&P10 Sport and its a great 308 AR platform. Never jammed or failed on me after about 500 rounds, even with some cheap ass Norinco ammo. Yes, I had to replace all the furniture with Magpul options but furniture is a personal choice thing. I feel with the M&P10 you get the perfect reliability and well made metal parts but suffer with trash-tier furniture. Biggest problem with gun buying in SA is the price! My M&P10 Sport cost the equivalent of $2 000 USD which puts it way outside the price range of a budget AR10. But in a country as dangerous as South Africa you need the firepower.

[@12vscience]

Glad to hear you got something that works.

[@wildcat8598]

Glad to hear you’ve got a decent tool. I’d still get a 556. Yes a 308 is awesome but I’d rather have more rounds of 556 than less rounds of 308. Still you’ve gotta good tool. Stay safe there in South Africa. I hear it’s wild there for farmers and being prepared is a very real must

[@discipleaj]

Was looking at one of these a few hours ago. Lovely rifle!

[@WMMASceneNow]

Stay safe over there

[@dsrrecordsent]

Where at in SA? I have fam in SA 🇺🇸🇿🇦✌️

[@SenorGato237]

"The sinus clearer 9000." I have never heard a better description of shirt barrel .308.

[@kripkilla88]

anderson did not expect anyone who bought that to shoot more than 300 rounds the whole life in all honesty

[@FinalLugiaGuardian]

But the gun will in fact shoot about 5000 rounds minimum before something needs to be replaced. And isn't Anderson great about providing replacement parts for sale.

[@jordendavid8992]

@@FinalLugiaGuardianheavier than the sfar but I hear it’s far more reliable

[@PeekEngineering]

The 6 o’clock ejection had me rollin😂 “OWW…OWW…OWW”

[@supercoolstar2356]

Gotta love a friction-frit system.

[@harryjoe860]

Frit knows his stuff

[@coltonscarbines7589]

Brass Fracts

[@mfallen6894]

I've played around with a few of the lower-end (3 PSA 10's, 2 M&P10's, various DPMS's of both gens, DB10's from Diamondback as well as some 716i's POF's, Armalite's, Colt's, etc... Not all mine, just troubleshooting for other people, friends, that sort of thing) and there are three issues I've noticed that I've since started rec'ing to others getting into large-frame AR platforms: moving to the heaviest short buffer you can find (at least 5.4oz... I believe this is what the AR Stoner is), upgrading to Springco .308 spring, and if you intend to run a lot of rounds, a JP "High pressure" LR308 bolt + firing pin combo. All together it's about $260 in parts, but it can really boost the reliability & longevity of the platform, even the cheaper ones. Oh, and make sure the bolt catch/release is heavy/strong enough to handle the mass/pressure of an AR10. Some companies will use a standard AR-15 catch that WILL break at the worst possible time, so that's another part to check immediately. Sucks the customer has to do these things, but this is what happens when there is no industry standard... I'd bet the aperture on the bolt for the firing pin was too large for this Anderson (probably a Toolcraft BCG or one of the other companies that makes BCG's for many different companies) and that was where you were running into problems. The aftermarket bolt/pins specifically marked "high pressure" (not the same as HPI stamped on the bolt) solve this. Even if you aren't having an issue with the standard one yet, wait until you get a few thousand rounds through it & you'll probably notice it becoming a problem. One other thing that seems to be hit/miss even amongst different examples of the same model: some guns don't run well with Magpul's M118 or their standard LR/SR mags (M118 has longer COAL for longer/heavier bullets with a purple/maroon follower, standard has a brown/tan follower) as the case mouth snags on the edge of the magazine when the bolt is stripping-off a round. I've seen it cause stove-piping and all kinds of issues... If you ever start having feeding issues while using Magpul's, dremel a little crescent shape out of the bullet-end of the mag. Load a few rounds in & push a cartridge forward (one for each "side" since it's double-stack) to check if it's still catching on the polymer and remove material until the rounds strip cleanly. First time I ran into this I spent hours checking headspace, checking feed ramps, etc thinking I had a major issue and it ended up being a bit too much polymer on the magazine, lol. You don't need to remove much material so start small and work your way up. This isn't an issue with Hexmag/Lancer or any other polymers I've used, just Magpul. After this is resolved (if it's an issue) they're extremely reliable mags, but I'd say the Lancer's are the best for this platform. If you like steel and can find them (not made anymore but some hit the market from time to time) the DPMS steel mags are built like a tank and are dead reliable. When they pop up you can usually get them for $15-18, so buy all you can when/if you see them. I know, overly long post... Just trying to pass-on some of my observations as I got into the AR10 and LR308 game a long time ago, back when they were not very reliable guns (especially the DPMS's, and I mean even more issues than now, lol), so users kind of had to figure it out on our own. It's still largely a DIY platform, but once you get enough experience with them you can get them running really well. Sig 716i, POF's, and the higher-end CMMG's are probably the best out-of-the-box guns I've ran into that aren't 4k+ like a Knights or SCAR17, but none of them are as reliable as a mid-tier AR-15 or AK. 60+ years of battle testing tends to breed reliability...

[@charlesm.2756]

Assembled my own 16" Aero M5 w/ a BA barrel (so, also Aero) and a Toolcraft Nitride BCG. It did require some tweaking - adjustable gas block and I upgraded the buffer to a H3 JP SCS. It works great now. Have several hundred rounds through it (my own reloads) and it's humming along well enough. My takeaway: AR-10s are finicky creatures that require more TLC than a standard AR-15. Anyone getting into the platform should either build their own (and expect to tweak) or buy a proven model from a reputable manufacturer. I have never personally seen a budget AR-10 that didn't have issues. 2 pennies. Edit: even Stoner's OG AR-10 had issues. Eventually it was tuned into a very fine rifle (albeit, a bit brutal on the shooter), but it was built around a specific cartridge standard. Most shooters will fire off many different budget cartridges, which will inevitably lead to inconsistent results. Same can be said for the AR-15, but it's a much more forgiving platform.

[@mobilegamersunite]

PA-10 sitting prity at 570 for freedom week 🎉 you can still find them for around 600. Mine has been great for over 1600 rounds now no malfunctions. I have videos of her on my armory Playlist 🎉

[@FeedLips]

Great guns, but I would really love to see a screenshot of where you saw a PSA 10 for $600.

[@mobilegamersunite]

@jameslucas1818 SUB so you get my videos. I've called out the sale a few times already...let me link you an old vid, hold on...

[@mobilegamersunite]

@@FeedLips kzbin.infoCBTPjJidi4E?si=uPIUvkyJBhMEBgMf

[@mobilegamersunite]

@jameslucas1818 I've dropped a few videos about it already and they are easy to find in my armory Playlist, they won't let me share anything here or I would link the vids. Sorry

[@FeedLips]

Horseshit

[@fullm3taljacket]

I do find it interesting that y'all haven't explored the S&W M&P10

[@nateo6806]

Picked one up for 799 like 5 years ago. Guess I'm the weirdo who never replaced anything on that rifle, not even the buttstock XD I should get around to sprucing it up.

[@nateo6806]

Also I should say some of the components are S&W proprietary so be aware. That's one of the few cons I can think of, wish the 10 platform was as standardized as the 15 platform but oh well.

[@johnpoole8321]

He mentions it around 8:50. Same deal I had with the m&p 15. You end up changing out most parts anyway because it's a basic beginners gun

[@MadeinAmerica123]

Do they offer those with longer barrels? I’d like something longer than 16”

[@fullm3taljacket]

I used to have one, got rid of it due to cost ​@@nateo6806

[@SnakeyRaptor]

Telling you nothing is wrong, then "returning" a brand new bcg to you is the most hilariously Anderson thing ever.

[@harisinam4078]

I like their efforts bot hto keep clean and fix the problem at the same time.

[@Crackshotsteph]

I miss the 90's when Battle Rifles were affordable compared to now.

[@nobodynoone2500]

But I love how cheap AR-15's are today! We are spoiled af rn.

[@PrebleStreetRecords]

On the other hand, I remember looking at a Bushmaster in 2005. 16” flat top M4 knockoff, and it cost about $2,500 in today’s money.

[@rifleshooterchannel208]

What are you talking about? PTR is dirt cheap compared to what a similar rifle would cost in the ‘90s 😂

[@ImmaSaveUFromMe]

​@@nobodynoone2500 until that new rifle needs fed 😢

[@dannysmith9217]

FN-FAL 50:62 18 inch barrel, side folder. As far as the weight goes, suck it up buttercup. Best, most reliable 308 battle rifle ever devised. DSARMS will hook you up.

[@1024NIN]

Any chance you ever want to check out the Palmetto AR10s?

[@bogusphone8000]

Bought a PA PA10 G3 and have had a perfectly running 308 BR. After a while, I decided to make it a bit more "tactical" and moved down from the 20" stainless to a 16" narrow profile barrel and the weight balance is darn near 50/50. Love that thing.

[@bigmike716]

I bought the PSA PA10 gen3 a couple years ago and have had really good luck with it. I'm around 3500 rounds shot over the past couple years. The only thing I did was use the SRC bolt in the BCG. I do that with everything I shoot. I clean it when it's dirty and the thing just runs.

[@interestingvideosofinteres5136]

I own two and love them. But I just realized the DLC one has phosphate extractor and ejector, might want to oil that if you are in the same boat as me.

[@tlstewart77]

Great platform! Mines 5 years old and ~1000 rds. Changed the charging handle to make it more accessible with a scope, and added a LaRue MBT trigger. No complaints at all.

[@tejyaich7982]

I have to say my saber m110 at home In 308 has had no problems. I'm about 500 rounds in it now. Haven't tried too many brands of ammo. Mostly aac. It really likes the aac Sierra match King load coming in at .75 moa. Federal Gold medal match Sierra load also did about as well. Only problem i had was a failure to eject and failure to feed but it was user error. Forgot to adjust the gas settings after changing ammo. But that is just my experience. I've been happy enough with mine to put a magpul prs,a Vickers sling, swapped the magpul bipod for an atlas,and a vortex viper pst gen II 3-15 on it.

[@jackwalter4000]

Just like other comments. I bought the PSA10 2 years ago. It’s truly one of my favorites. I’ve never had a single problem with it.

[@Enjoyer.762]

Many customers who purchased PSA have experienced the opposite of you.

[@jackwalter4000]

I guess it’s a roll of the dice

[@davidlong6796]

Thanks to my bargain hunting skills, I was able to assemble an Aero LR308 in 6.5 creedmoor with a prs lite stock for under $900. Yes, seriously. All parts brand new. The sales that Aero, BA, and Schuyler have had over the last 3 months has been insane.

[@Manco65]

I did something similar but in .308win.

[@p47rr]

Same here. Aero, LMT, Larue and more. All in for a 308 Winchester rifle less than $900.00.

[@2A.Freedom]

I like the m5. I built one in lr308 and I've never had an issue. I think Aero has by far the best budget rifles.

[@davidlong6796]

@@Manco65 If I had gone 308, and did black instead of fde, It wouldve been closer to $700. God bless overstock sales!

[@yogi5482]

Aero, faxon barrel, zev handguard. Under a 1000 no problem 👍

[@TheMinutemanArmory]

I built my own. Aero M5E1 receiver set, 16" criterion barrel with rifle gas. JP Enterprises 308 carbine spring and had to make my own buffer. Bolt is a KAK since they're the only ones making an affordable LR308 pattern BCG which uses the proper dual ejector AND it headspaced perfectly with the barrel. Shoots lights out with my sandman-l can with no gas adjustment necessary.

[@BrassFacts]

awesome, good stuff

[@TheMinutemanArmory]

​@BrassFacts I forgot that the only downsides are my custom buffer does not allow lockback on the last round (OAL issue, not gassing issue) and weight. The M5's are thicc chonky boys.

[@coltonowens2742]

I'm using that exact same upper and handguard on a Palmetto lower. I've put in an LMT BCG and Faxon barrel though. I call it my sleeper gun!

[@stephenurban9880]

I have two PSA PA10s. Paid a bit over $700 for each of them which were bought as rifle kits and a stripped lower. One was fine from the git go and the other had a bad extractor right out of the box. PSA quickly sent me a new BCG under warranty and a label to ship the bad one back. Both rifles have been functioning fine for me. The PSA Saber offers upgrades but if they aren't the upgrades you prefer you are simply paying extra money for stuff you will swap out. Better to do as Hop said previously in one of his videos, get a PA10 and upgrade it to your liking.

[@morono4016]

Nothing better than taking a poop on break at work and see a brass facts video drop, best laxative on the market

[@life_of_riley88]

Boss makes a dollar, I make a dime. That's why I poop on company time.

[@tsafa]

You need to try the regular Palmetto pa-10 gen 3. It has 17 adjustable gas positions. I paid $700 and it runs everything from Tula 308 to Freedom munition . The energy gap between the two is and 738 foot pounds. I'm uploading a video on this this evening on my channel. I did reference to your results today.

[@Brickbossman]

I have a PA-10 gen 3 probably have close to 2000 rds thru it with no problems

[@tsafa]

@@Brickbossman I'm up to about 200 on mine. It eats everything I have put in it. The most important part of an AR-10 is the adjustable gas system. 308 ammunition is all over the place in terms of velocity for any given weight of bullet. I'm running in position 5 out of 17.

[@matthewriegner5180]

PA 10 bought blem 20" hb upper and blem lower, sub $700. $800 after tax, transfer and couple 20rd mags. Shoots sub moa. Zero malfunctions, 750 rds in of various ammo types to see what it likes.

[@masterchiefg117]

Thank you for your content, my self and many others greatly appreciate it! Keep it coming. Having played this game I'll say that your firing pin hole in the bolt face was too large. Primer cup cannot hold the pressure and when fired will stamp out a chunk of the cup and send it in to the firing pin channel. I've had this issue several times. Went to jp high pressure bolt and no issues since. Fn's new scar in 6.5 has this issue, that's the most recent example I've ran in to.

[@BooneGribble]

I went with the Springfield M1A Standard, and upgraded with USGI, Sadlak, and LRB parts. With the walnut stock it came with, and a unitized gas cylinder, I get 2 MOA with Federal, and Swiss M80 ball. The only problem Ive ran into was with some Winchester LC M80. The Winchester ammo sometimes wouldn't fully go into battery. Every other ammo I have tried has been perfect. With the rifle, twelve 20 round magazines, and all the parts, and tools, I have about 2500ish dollars into my M1A.

[@berryreading4809]

I'm sorry but we here on youtube hate Springfield and especially the M14... So this a completely unacceptable answer! 🤣👍(I'm glad you enjoy whatever you enjoy, just gotta say this before someone else does) 🤫

[@DutchK75]

I've had my fair share of M14 style rifles. It's just a poor optics platform. You'll never be centerline over bore with a mount. The bolt roller assembly wasn't a upgrade compared to the M1 Garand. That split ring has a tendency to come flying off the bolt roller. No bueno. (My uncle talked about the gas cylinders rusting in Vietnam.) Chassis systems are heavy. Making it basically the weight of a M249. And bedding is a no go any time. Not inherently accurate either. I met Ron Smith of Smith Enterprise. To my surprise he made mention that in the modern era of the early 2000's that the M14 was not that good. And he was reworking all the Army's M14's. He just said it was happenstance the .mil needed a answer right now. They they were ushered back into service. Marine corps and Navy had chassis varients. Basically the M39. I was at SOTG when both the M14 DMR and M39 was being tested. As was the SAM-R and then Mk12. Mk12 was the superior platform. I had a Smith Enterprise rifle. I used it in competition. Cast reciever varient. All USGI parts. Sold it. For a premium. Bought it in 1997 for $1,100. Sold it for $2,400 in 06. I was always getting offers above and beyond from the CMP guys. 😂 Not a good gun. It is better reliability wise than these low rent AR10's. But both are garbage in reality. It takes money to get good into the .308 game. The M14 costs money too. And you'll never get to the good part, with that system.

[@mach9383]

You really need to evaluate a Springfield Armory Saint Victor model! It’s duty grade right out of the box-as they advertise. I bought mine pre-covid in 2019 and I broke it in as if it was a competition long-range rifle, totally unnecessary I know-but I wanted it to be as accurate as it was going to ever be. It’s a consistent MOA rifle with the occasional sub-MOA with the right ammo, atmospherics and trigger puller. So I’m quite happy with it, needless to say. Also, and probably more importantly it’s been totally reliable. It’s truly a “good bang for your buck” rifle.

[@juanthelawnmowerthief1641]

The chrome lined MOE edition 16 inch Bushmaster 308’s from 10 years ago were hard to beat for accuracy reliability and price. To run suppressed all you needed was a adj gas block.

[@JoshuaDixon-wc7xd]

anderson is a good option, mine with an elcan can shoot better than i can, its not a larue but for the money does everything the average guy could hope for. palmetto also has some decent stuff thats affordable, my 18" psa upper is minute of pie plate at 600 with a burris 1-6 and 77 otm from a sandbag rest.

[@triphammer1203]

PWS MK2 series is being slept on! Reliable. Amazing accuracy. Not super expensive.

[@Polarbear-nq9nd]

double down on that. ran south african, eastern german, black hills, hornady black and all kinds of ammo thrown into all kinds of mags and never had a hiccup on the normal gas setting for about 400 rounds now. buttersmooth action and consistent ejection.

[@PrivateLongo]

Mine is plenty accurate, but im having ejection issues as well. Illl be checking this later to see if this is the problem! Great vid

[@walkercustoms]

Between myself and many other people whom know how to check spec on ARs, as far as lowers go, Anderson seems to have the most in spec receivers out there of anyone. Seen lots of Daniels and Knights and Blacks put expensive brand here, they all are selling a lot of out of spec or edge of spec receivers. A forged lower is a forged lower. Spec is what matters. Andersons more often than not are center tolerance. Just thought I'd throw this info out. Not saying all their components are perfect. But if you want a perfect lower buy an Anderson.

[@Enjoyer.762]

Anderson is trash. You're fake news.

[@ChristheFlakkerGod]

*JP Enhanced High Pressure bolt has entered the chat* But really, my Aero M5 with a NiB bolt used to eat primers. The bolt fixed it for me.

[@wallace1775]

Awesome! I love the .308 rifle series you guys are doing lately! Will you guys review the Sig 516? I have seen it being used in some other vids you and Hop have done. Thanks!

[@HKGunPlay]

You mean 716

[@wallace1775]

@@HKGunPlayNo, 516. It is chambered in 5.56 and is piston operated. Brassfacts and Hop have covered the 716i (DI) and not the original 716 (piston) or 516 (5.56/piston). I was simply curious if they would do a review as I have seen them shoot it before in short clips.

[@MandoWookie]

​@@wallace1775Aren't those discontinued?

[@HKGunPlay]

@@wallace1775 oh I didn’t know if it was typo I was going to tell you what you just told me. 😂

[@wallace1775]

@@MandoWookieYes, unfortunately to the public they are discontinued. The 716/716 DMR/516 are still being supplied for military and law enforcements around the world. I am assuming that Sig stopped selling those rifles to civilians to maximize their sales and focus their efforts elsewhere such as the MCX/Spear and what not.

[@joearledge1]

You guy's ever gonna play with the big boy AR's? 30-06, 300 win mag, 7mm rem mag, 338 lapua, from Noreen Firearms... they have build options and 16" options... cost less than a SCAR

[@dingdongheadyuue]

I have to say as an old Navy/CG Gunner CWO4 Weps 74-04, my 308 experiences had been either reliably or accuracy (1MOA), but never both at the same time. Then came the SFAR and everything changed. And if some folks have minor issues with the SFAR, it's a platform worth making work right. Hop did the hard part figuring out how to superize the gas system. Thank You

[@Enjoyer.762]

Ruger is garbage.

[@PartyRockProfessional]

At this point, the price of ammo is the only thing keeping me from getting into AR10s

[@1AbominAble1]

Only 2 semi auto 308’s that I’ve had that ran reliably were the M1A and PWS MK214. Neither are budget guns but what I saved on shipping labels and buying replacement parts to make a budget gun run, along with the ammo expense of chasing reliability, and what I consider my time and lack of frustration worth I think that they more than made up for the price difference. Maybe I should send you the 214 to thump on for a while, it just lives in a box these days.

[@CaveLife652]

Nice to know someone appreciates my tip.

[@peteregger7928]

Take a look at the re-designed "High Pressure" bolts on the market. Eliminates popped primers especially for 6.5 Creedmoor.

[@Themightymooseoutdoor87]

Something I had hoped you would mention is the POF rogue. Not a budget option, but also not ludicrous. I've been running one for a few years now with excellent reliability, good accuracy, and love the light weight. Makes a good ruck gun. Also runs steel case ammo well, which helps with prices!

[@SPIN1963_]

I build and smith quite a few of these guns. Three items for a functional .308 AR rifle: Buffer, buffer tube length (w/BCG & spring correct synergy), and the adjustable gas block. Many of the BCG groups out there are garbage and out of specm springs are all over the place, and companents ... well. Basic math is your friend.

[@rjperez2617]

Built an M5, bought an overrun upper, had to get some smithing work on it, then built a lower with a radian safety, Geissele trigger, and did a VLTOR buffer tube with carbine H1 and Geissele rifle spring, MOE fixed carbine stock, and she is supah hot

[@frankholub4673]

Sounds like a manufacturing issue. Firing pin might have been too long, firing pin hole might have been drilled too large, or the bolt might have been too short. Regardless, not good.

[@thatbme35]

Yup creedmore bolt is a must upgrade.

[@sofloflow]

I built one out for under 1200 not including an Optic. Aero rrecievers, Lantac EBCG, Larue trigger, Radian safety & CH, phase 5 v2 bolt catch. Shes a sweet shooter. Looking for a good deal on an LMT BCG to swap to (nothing wrong with the Lantac, but i want the LMT... only got the Lantac bc I found it on an amazing deal).

[@soggywaffles6054]

i know psa isnt the most gucci brand but ive heard so much good about the psa saber 10's for a very competitive price. the one issue ive heard about them is the gas port being drilled inconsistently on the first gens. loving the m110 myself, their m110 clone is on my buy list because i dont have the 7 grand for an sr25 and more for the m110 furniture.

[@coyoteoaty4]

Just outta curiosity, why no talk of the DD or LMT large frame guns? Both start around 2500 and seem like better options than the very talked about scar, and a step up in quality over the 716

[@paulcampbell3208]

BECAUSE WE ARE POOR MY BROTHER IN CHRIST

[@johnkrstyen7351]

Also a grand moe than the 716i.

[@Ammotax]

Every time I watch one of your videos I’m left more informed but unhappy that you won’t just lie and say the product was the best thing ever 10/10 on consistency 😂

[@k-tz5jg]

If you got info from KZbin you may want to rethink your life. lol, 🤣😂🤣

[@Ammotax]

@@k-tz5jg what are you talking about?

[@Unpaidshill]

Long time commenter, first time watcher. Problem is not that you were thrown off of a cliff and now you are left handed, but that you weren’t thrown off a cliff FOR being left handed…

[@flaircraft]

The best budget battle rifle I've seen to date is a PSA lower combined with a BCA upper. Mine ran flawlessly, just pulled them out of their respective shipping boxes, slapped 'em together for the first time right there at the range and went at it. I did have a pair of bolt-overs on the first 10 rounds, which I determined after some research was caused by being overgassed. An adjustable gas block took care of that permanently. I understand that overgassing is a common issue on the "AR-10" platform. My only other complaint was that the gas key wasn't staked properly. A minute with a hammer and punch corrected the problem. Both my BCA uppers had this issue (and I've seen some other reviewers saying the same thing about their BCA's) so I highly reccommend checking the stake job on your BCA gas key.

[@Enjoyer.762]

QC dumpster fire

[@LRRPFco52]

I’ve been into AR-10s since the late 1980s. Have owned at least 7 of them now, including ArmaLite (excellent), DPMS (factory trash x 2), 2 built by GAP (excellent), and the Savage MSR-10. 6.5 Grendel basically ruined AR-10s for me, and I’ll never invest in a large frame again unless it’s an original Dutch ArmaLite AR-10 for collection purposes. Those are amazing rifles.

[@SnakeyRaptor]

A lot of people sleep on 6.5 grendel. I tried it this year for whitetails, and I'm never going back to .308

[@LRRPFco52]

@@SnakeyRaptor Some jaw-dropping things are going to happen with 6.5 Grendel this year. Most aren’t aware that there are already 124 factory loads. It does better than I ever imagined from 12” and shorter barrels, contrary to almost everything I had seen online before I built 2 of the 12” blasters. 90gr TNT factory does 2700fps from my 12” Grendel. With 110-123gr, I shoot steel out to 800 and 900yds with it, and have done so for the past 6 years. Been shooting longer barrel Grendels since 2009, starting with a 16”.

[@berryreading4809]

I just miss buying 2 MOA steel case wolf for just above 7.62x39 prices (at the time) 😔 Hornady Black shoots good, and both Hornady 123 SST's and Barnes Vortex shoot great with impressive terminal performance, but blasting away 15rd or 25rd mags all day out to 600 yards without losing sight picture even while standing/supported will be missed with no more decent steel option... I hear the last batches of Wolf were terribly inconsistent, and at $0.70 per round you might as well find some $1ish brass FMJ that hopefully shoots decently and can be brass goblined back up, although not high quality like Hornady brass... 6.5G doesn't seem to be very picky, no matter if it's the ultralight 16" build or the AR-10 weighted 18" larue 😂 everything has shot well enough to suit my capabilities... Just glad I never hopped on that 6mm ARC train and bought ammo and barrels just for Hornady to update/upgrade it already 🤣 Apparently the ammo orders for those DOD contracts didn't expand into making a hot new affordable civilian 6.5G replacement like they expected? 🤷‍♂️ I just looked at the numbers and realized factory loads wouldn't really provide much advantage, honestly worse for a hunting caliber... Maybe the DOD just didn't want military cartridge compatibility with Serbia? 😆 Or maybe some random requirements that made 6.5G a non starter? I have no other reason why the DOD wouldn't have just used 6.5G instead of paying Hornady big money for marginal gains with 6mm ARC development and production while they already produced 6.5G?

[@LRRPFco52]

@@berryreading4809 When I compare pricing with Mk.262, Black Hills, or any .223 or 5.56 Match ammo (which I have stacked as well for DM courses), 6.5 Grendel prices are the same. The difference is I get immediate feedback and higher hit probability with Grendel, whereas with the anemic nature of even 77gr 5.56 past 300yds, it's hard to register shots on steel or hear the impacts. I love it when I hear 123gr impact steel. We've had 24" .223 bolt guns with hot loaded 77gr next to 12" Grendel shooting the same TGT at 760yds, and the visible and audible effects were night & day. The DoD entities who evaluated 6.5 Grendel said it was fine the way it was compared to 7.62 NATO.

[@luckygunnerx30]

When starting to dabble in .308 AR’s I figured none of the budget brands would be able to pull it off well. I just got a LMT Mars H. What a fantastic rifle its probably was cheaper in the end then messing with a bunch of unreliable budget rifles. Im about 2500 rounds into it at this point without issue

[@stevesmith756]

I’ve had the AH-10 Hunter model for 7 years. After a few thousand rounds, 1 broken extractor. That’s it. Bought the Ruger SFAR this year. 500 rounds and zero malfunctions 🤷‍♂️

[@28larrysjunkmail]

Thanks for the great review! I can imagine how expensive it is but especially so with the glorious 308 ammo needed. I think the achilles heel to consumers getting good info on these rifles is that NOBODY fires them enough to get them to the breaking point (which I have decided is the 2-3k round mark) So everyone is walking around with their "great" 308 AR's that they put 150 rounds through and then replaced in the safe waiting for said rifle to be waiting and ready when the foreign army needs to be repelled, but the surprise is waiting when they need it to survive beyond that magically fail point. We can all go to a weekend carbine class running 556 and put a gun through its paces, but 308 with its recoil and cost usually get left at home. So long story short thanks for taking the time, I will run over and drop a few bucks in the plate. Please keep us abreast as the gun gets more use.

[@Enjoyer.762]

You mention a foreign invading force. It's called the great replacement. Nobody is doing squat about it. It's been facilitated by the government and the current regime in power.

[@BuckF0eJiden]

Running a PSA lower with an upper i put together myself. 18" HBAR from Ballistic Advantage, Sharps BCG, with a PA SLX 4-16 in HUD DMR with a top mount Holosun 407c. It eats a steady diet of 155 grain HPBTs. Weighs around 12 lbs fully loaded w/ light. It holds sub MOA groups out to about 500. No brake, all flash hider. I'll gladly take the extra pound of weight on the shorter HBAR to gain accuracy. I carry 10 mags between my chest rig and my pack, and carry a comped Glock 19 with 5 18 round mags with that setup. It's heavy, but its accurate out to about 800 yards. It does have some close quarters capability, but its very hard to run up close. I recommend if youre going to run a 308 as a primary, you focus on mid to long range with your optics setup and carry a reliable, tested pistol for close quarters. It adds to your overall weight, but improves your overall capability if you can carry it all. I also have a lightweight build w/ polymer TN Arms Co lower on a fluted stainless 24" .243 Winchester upper. The barrel came from X Caliber. Its running the J Comp v2, an adjustable Sharps Rifle Co BCG and an Armaspec Stealth Recoil buffer. It has less recoil than my 5.56, and the drop at 1000 yards with my match loads is less than 8 mils. It houses a US Optics 2.5-20 34mm scope and a top mounted Holosun 507c. With scope, it weighs just under 11 lbs.

[@BuckF0eJiden]

AR10s are super versatile in how you set them up. I'd feel very comfortable making shots out to 1250 with that .243. It's effectively a semi auto sniper system, whereas the .308 fits more into the DMR with a little of a support sniper role.

[@HKGunPlay]

I have the Sig 716i tread snake bite se. It was 1500 bucks a few months ago now it’s 1899 mark but you can still find them cheaper. It’s the best budget ar10 I have seen. Hop seemed to like the first version. The snakebite se has upgrades. Check it out. Pretty sweet two toned black and fde match lite trigger. Flash/muzzle break combo. As soon as my can gets out of jail I plan on taking it out and seeing how well I can run it fast. I might upload a few videos. Hard to find time for anything nowadays

[@calholli]

The thing about the "budget" world is that we've had such huge leaps forward in the CNC world that everyone has fantastic machines now and even the budget guys are making good quality parts. The main difference is in the quality control of assembly; which is why I like to buy kits and put them together myself; plus you save a lot of money that way too. I always drill and pin the gas blocks also; which is where most budget rifles fail, by the gas block coming loose.

[@k-tz5jg]

Gas blocks usually carbon freeze in place, What are you on about? lol, 🤣😂🤣

[@tinncan]

I just bought a 6.5 grendel barrel to swap over from an old 16" 300blk mistake. Other than magazines, it seems to be a better option than a 308 battle rifle.

[@Nestoroo1236]

If you really wanna scrape the bottom of the proverbial barrel you gotta try the Bear Creek Arsenal BC-10 lineup. You can consistently find them right around 5-600. I got my PoS on sale for 500, its a 16 inch right hand side charging rifle in .308. Its been reliable-ish, so long as it's not suppressed. It can't handle all the extra gas. Pretty accurate from what i could tell, but BCA is also a coin flip company. They also sell 6.5s and 22-250s for around that same price point though. So it might make for an interesting review along the lines of "the cheapest 6.5" Also might be interesting to see how reliable you could get one to be if you put enough money into replacing the shoddier components to get its price to just about match these other budget rifles

[@PrebleStreetRecords]

I really want to get one of their 300 Win Mag large frame ARs (the Huntsmaster), mic the whole thing out, and see what it can do. I bought one of their $300 ARs years ago, swapped a couple obviously out of spec parts with random extras from the bin, and it’s been a reliable range toy/handload tester ever since.

[@ThisDudeSomewhere]

Good to see your experience with an Anderson is the same as everyone else that I know with an Anderson. I wouldn't even trust their stripped lowers. One guy I know who bought a complete Anderson couldn't even get through one mag because the BCG was such trash.

[@Protonpackin]

I got my 716i for 1100 a couple of years ago. Crazy how much they are now

[@elijahschminke6931]

My tip IS greatly appreciated.

[@CByers-lh3zq]

6 o'clock ejection made me laugh 🤣 - BAM *ow!* BAM *ow!* BAM *ow!* - your face's sacrifice has been noted and will not be forgotten.

[@spartan0771]

The one everyone seems to ignore is the Zastava M77. I'm willing to be it'll take the cake.

[@jb8086]

They are very inconsistent in accuracy. The one I had was, at it’s best, 5 moa. A friend has one and it’s 3 moa, some people have them that are surprisingly accurate. They all run great but if you can’t hit it doesn’t matter really. My guess is inconsistent barrels but I’m not sure.

[@forkthepork]

I'd consider buying the upper without the BCG, pop for a high quality BCG, and build my own lower.

[@hopewilliams6705]

I had this primer thing happen with my Diamondback DB10 with one particular load of freedom munitions 175gr 308

[@ElsinoreRacer]

BCA side-charger in 6.5 (on an Aero lower). The side-charger is such a better buddy to a scope, which is why I chose it. No problems. Just shoots. You have me thinking I will get their 18 or 20" 308 upper (

[@calholli]

DiamondBack has a very similar "DB10" 16" kit that you can get for five hundred twenty-four dollen; receiver included and the upper is preassembled. It was so cheap that I went ahead and built a second one in 20" 6.5creed. it has the KAC SR25/ M110 style receivers; they are great rifles. I have three of them now, including an old keymod style that I got years ago. By far the best battle rifle for the money. They have free shipping too. (receiver has to ship to an FFL). I'd like to see you get that one. Nutnfancy made a video on the 6.5creed DB10 several years ago; incredibly accurate, just like mine are.

[@DDDontCare]

I currently have three AR10s. All in 6.5CM but from different manufacturers. Aero, BCA and Rock River. Every single one had to be sent in for something. Mostly gas related issues. No cost to me on any of them but still not ideal. Since getting them tuned, however, they're now all reliable sub-MOA machines. Unfortunately this just seems to be the nature of the beast for budget to mid tier AR10s at this point in time.

[@lordaleksandre]

Your time and trouble are a great cost. Know your worth, King (or something).

[@PrebleStreetRecords]

At this point I would build, not buy an AR10, open up the gas port on anything under 20”, and use one of the Riflespeed adjustable gas blocks.

[@DDDontCare]

​​@@PrebleStreetRecords There's nothing milspec about AR10s so building doesn't necessarily make sense. If you try and build, any issues are all on you. At least when you purchase a complete upper, you get a warranty to back it up. I do order my lowers and uppers separately though. Coincidentally, the adjustable gas block was Aero's solution for my over gassed upper.

[@DDDontCare]

@@lordaleksandre lucky for me I work from home and am practically retired. Building and tweaking is what i choose to do with my time. So, no loss there.

[@DDDontCare]

​@@ChappySinclairsame ol' reply from every gun troll on KZbin that doesn't own anything themselves. Besides I have three times the fun for less cost.

[@yeahsteeeve]

I had that same primer issue with an Adams Arms piston upper. I sent it off to the manufacturer and they told me there was nothing wrong with it. I changed the firing pin and it was fine after that.

[@zaksk8s]

A buddy of mine built me a bear creek left side charging upper (replaced the shit barrel with a rosco) and it was slaughtering my face. Swapped the bolt with a KAK left handed dual ejector, prefect ejection for the following 2k rounds. It seems most budget guns really skimp on the bolt quality, go figure.

[@20alroco]

I have been on a kick of buying surplus field jackets lately. I will have to check out venture surplus and see what gems they have. ACU is the new hotness.......

[@BuffaloWarrior7]

I built an M5E1 16" battle rifle for $1,300. Did it over a year or so- just catching deals. Ballistic Advantage gov profile barrel and black nitride BCG. MBT 2 stage trigger. Aero lower parts kit. VG6 brake. Magpul STR stock and bipod. Initially had issues because I bought the wrong buffer system like 5 years ago. Bought the Aero buffer kit and I haven't had any failures with Malaysian milsurp, Hornady hunting/target loads, or the white box .308 "sniper" stuff I got in bulk. Currently running a 510C because battle rifle. And I have no idea if I should get a fixed prism, lpvo, a 4-10x. No idea. But i can hit steel at 300 so I'm not rushing it.

[@Mckcjcj]

have something very similar, ditching the STR since the Viper Pst 1-6 is so heavy... might just ditch the Viper too.

[@halefire345]

With the bent cotter pin and the primer issues, it looks like the bcg is having a lot of sizing issues. Undersized bolt, oversized firing pin hole, etc etc. That cotter pin specifically is a sign of too much gas pressure acting on the bolt and driving it back inside the bolt carrier.

[@threat2demoracy5454]

Thanks BrassFacts! "Sheckles" lol. As the Canadian's say "Peace Ooooot!" ✌🏼

[@brabblemaster401]

Had really good luck with the M&P10. Replaced all furniture but it is a good gun. Also the Psa 10 has been good so far but only a few hundred rounds yet

[@MW-sw4cp]

Oh man. When that F.P. retaining pin goes, it is a bad time. One of my receivers still bears the scars. I try and use k&n solid retainers when the carrier profile allows it.

[@tbdandthings]

I just looked up the PSA 308-AR10's and they're on sale for around $800 bucks

[@ExplorinInTheWoods]

Good to see you and hop doing battle rifle stuff.

[@joshballard8546]

I got the Ruger SFAR at sportsmans for $900. I got the 16” which has its upside, but I would have preferred an 18”. PSA has some decent prices that I think I would prefer over the Anderson if I were looking for another budget AR10.

[@mangrumpyold1871]

Do you not collect your spent brass after shooting? Do you just leave the all your trash out in the desert? Assuming your not a slob and pick up your trash, you did not notice punctured primers. How many rounds did it take you to figure out that your firing pin was punching holes in your primers?

[@lance9150]

I bought an Anderson lower I am going to put on Foxtrot Mike Gen 2 upper and A3 Tactical Triad Modular Bullpup Chassis.

[@ayoder7246]

That cotter pin being bent is a sign of poor bolt tail seal at the rear of the piston. Gas is leaking by and slamming the firing pin into the cotter pin every shot you fire. The bolt was also short (or the firing pin too long) if you measured the protrusion, it’d likely be far longer than intended. The “break in period” is largely a myth. The gun is either usually built correctly or not. Although, they can “smooth out” after the parts mesh together with many hundred rounds of firing. But that’s only something you can feel when cycling the rifle. Anyway, just thought this might help. 🙂

[@gambler8899666]

I'm loving my pof rogue.

[@jaredmatthews9403]

I love the PSA PA10 not gonna like. Put a crazy Apollo max brake on there. Very fun. Very expensive to shoot. 69th.

[@SH-zv2wy]

Hop’s *other* 308, the Sig 716i runs well; no mention?

[@BrassFacts]

i did mention it. like in 3 videos now :D

[@TurkFPS]

I've beenn looking for a 308 semiauto ( DMR ish) , and after way to fucking much research the most reliable modern options I've decided on tracking down and testing before purchase are the Sig 716 and the Zastava m77/ Riley rak 308C. Generally DI 308 Ars Ive seen are nowhere near as reliable as Id be comfortable with depending my life on, So I'm leaning towards the 308 AKs, a used Zastava m77 if I can find it around 800-1k or a Riley Rak308C which to be honest I was put off when I first heard about it, but turns out they are literally Surplus M77 parts kits that Riley assembles on US Milled Recievers. So I hope this comment helps other Big Chimp Brain dudes like me and saves yall time.

[@alt5494]

Better quality control than a AK is definitely a check box that they really should have had..

[@msquared9605]

I mean my first gas gun was a full ar308 from bear creek arsenal I got last March. Got it on sale for somewhere around $575. Went to battle with 2 whitetail bucks this fall and emerged victorious..

[@BrassFacts]

there is no real milspec standard for this.

[@cschrislsmit]

Are you going to review the even cheaper PSA PA-10? (not the Sabre) Would you run a stainless barrel AR? 2 stage vs drop in?

[@youmustvotenato]

Ive always wondered if its worth buying cheap ARs and just doing the QC yourself

[@CantoniaCustoms]

Might as well just build the thing from the ground up.

[@wombraider7803]

If you buy a cheap AR you should be doing QC checks anyway

[@PrebleStreetRecords]

That’s what I have done for years. Pretty much the only parts I routinely splurge on are barrels and optics. However, I also have a complete machine shop at my house, so it’s trivial for me to toss a lower on a surface plate and gauge everything out, or throw parts in the mill to true then up.

[@californiasurvival8271]

M14 for the real gentleman of culture

[@SpartanONegative]

My AR 10, Live Free Armory LF10 is picky with mags in the cold. Likes PMAGS. Im almost at 600 rounds, not broken in yet tho. . almost there. Thanks for sharing with us. Iv thought about getting another AR10 but thats another break in project. . I have over $4,000.00 in my LF10, started at $2,000.00

[@jb8086]

My brother has the same rifle, his is picky about how clean and lubed it likes to be but man that thing is just stupid accurate. Clean and lubed it’s been very reliable, he nails 4 inch steel at 750 yards all day. Sample size of one but it’s impressed me.

[@EvanDickersonM81]

They're about 700$ right now so it might be worth it to add an adjustable gas block and enjoy.

[@Cwomack07]

Once again great video! Okay when are you gonna track down a POF USA .308 rifle? Also any chance you will ever get a Tavor 7 for review? I know it’s double unlikely but 🤞

[@SGCXD]

Sometimes instead of replacing the entire BCG you can just get a fatter firing pin. Unless the firing pin hole is super hogged out, in that case you need a new bolt head at least.

[@AndrewWisler]

From the looks of that cotter pin, I suspect the bolt and bcg took some damage from the steady diet of hot chamber pressure gas they were getting with all those pierced primers, but honestly the fact that it didn’t kb is a testament to something in and of itself.

[@texasranger24]

Sig just started sending out Romeo 9Ts to influencers and says it has super special reflector stuff so the enemy cannot see your red dot reflection from the front end. That gave me an idea for a new video. Test the light emissions out the front of all red dots and holos and illuminated LPVOs and prisms you can get your hand on under night vision. Is it just fudd lore that an enemy with NVs (or even without) would be able to see your scope emissions even when "passive" aiming? Or does it make sense that Sig wants to sell their $4k red dot without front reflection?

[@BrassFacts]

It's a gimmick imo, outside of maybe cqb? You can see if it you mistakenly leave it on a daylight setting. But the NV settings are exceedingly faint. Think of it this way. How far away can you see the glow of NV on your eyes? Or the LED on a LAM to indicate that it's on? Both are significantly brighter

[@SirMatthew]

For a budget option to have one glaring problem that was fixed pretty easily by sending it back, that's not half bad in my book

[@interestingvideosofinteres5136]

Magpul MOE stocks are great! The official stock of GWOT! I hated mine until I realized how lightweight and durable they are, and since they come ‘free’ on lots of guns, I started rattle canning them for different seasons and now use them more than the stocks I bought to replace them. Lol

[@nickh5596]

I just hate how they rattle

[@jessesando8582]

I have an M&P 10... Been reliable so far, but man is it load dependent for accuracy. Its probably 6+ MOA on cheap 150gr loads, only thing i can get ~1MOA with is federal gold match. Great gun, but I've heard the exact same thing from others about them. Think theyre running about 1200 msrp, generally.

[@BrassFacts]

yeah AR10s in general are hyper finicky with ammo/accuracy

[@michaelwitzgall9345]

As I have two Garrands and 30-06 rebarreled Mauser set up a scout sniper, the logical part of my brain says I have no need and don't get a .308 battle rifle, but the devil👹 on my shoulder tempts me. Thanks for helping me resist.