How CIG Ruined the Aegis Retaliator (3.23) [Star Citizen]

Referral Code: STAR-9STK-9HYQ
Create Your Account & Download Here: robertsspaceindustries.com/
Join my Discord: / discord
Follow me on Twitch: / gone_gwenting
And keep up with me on Twitter: @GGwenting
DPS Calculator: www.erkul.games/

[@RyoninShonin]

Seems a bit early to state it's ruined... PTU patch notes addressed why missiles and torps were reduced in speed. Developers were troubleshooting a bug they believed could be linked to speeds. All missiles will be adjusted back to reasonable speeds. I wouldn't spend too much energy worrying about a ships performance at all until 1.0... They will change many times before that and likely after as balancing is a continued effort. I may be wrong but i dont believe i heard you mention anything about blade servers that will be items in ships that will automate the operation of a turret and allow a pilot to control them. It has been stated that is the long term intent for allowing pilots to control non pilot operated weapons. Second option will be NPC crew that will physically occupy those turrets. Both of these options are burried in the developers to-do list... Backing Star Citizen is an excercise in patience, controlling expectations, and research. The research part can be daunting though, so many videos and posts to reference. Good luck with your journey!

[@micahisham]

No, you’re confused. They lowered the torpedo speed even further in PTU, which was a test. The super slow speeds already in live are very much as intended.

[@RyoninShonin]

@micahisham i would hardly call the 200m/s current speeds what they intended if we know they are about to be +500m/s. Can you explain how it's "as intended" if the devs have stated it's fluctuating and changing over and over? I was genuinely trying to bring calm to stormy waters. It really isn't all doom and gloom.

[@VerifiedGoneGaming]

It's ruined RIGHT NOW. Which is why I made a video. I'm truly hopeful it's going to get fixed, which is why I haven't melted it. And I didn't mention blades or NPCs because I'm talking about RIGHT NOW. It is a useless ship, RIGHT NOW.

[@hellgeist_]

@@micahisham Correct, and the reason they dumbed missiles down is because if they worked the way they used to, MM would fail miserably. Any ship going into NAV would be deleted by any missile. They were warned about this, and instead of dropping MM they trashed the game.

[@johnfranklin2547]

Really sucks CIG breaks Tali bought years ago and NO modules in game. WTF

[@VerifiedGoneGaming]

Agreed

[@DracoEX]

Logistically speaking, i bought a Retalliator before this update. I melted my retalliator after this update. CIG do the math. I used ccu from my retalliator melt to get more useful things. Like a scorpius.

[@Wh1terider]

It's one of my favorite ships, top 5 for sure. It could be top 3, but give me a reason to use it. Too many things are wrong with it currently. The Gold Pass Quality Control is a let down for sure.

[@VerifiedGoneGaming]

Indeed. They could have just waited until it was finished. I do not understand how other people cannot buy into this point. Especially people who don't even own one or don't even like the ship. It's genuinely a bit mindboggling to me.

[@zantrag]

The Gold Pass; more like a brass pass. If this is the future of Gold Pass, then zero joy. They removed the floor hatch, (except it is still underneath, from outside) an replaced ity with an ugly-ass grate. I was expecting better. The Base model empty "cargo" areas should be useable as storage, without any module, they just wouldn't have elevators. The front hold is nearly twice the size of the rear, but only holds TWO more SCU?... Clearly nothing wrong there... right?

[@VerifiedGoneGaming]

@@zantrag It's not even the gold pass, that's currently being worked on. Which is the ridiculous thing for me, why break something that was working? I just don't get it. Also, I had the same thoughts about cargo holds, but the first isn't actually bigger on the ground, look at the map of the ship, it just has side bubbles for torpedoes, which is why many of us have argued they should just add those bubbles for the back.

[@Alucard15423]

They ruined the Tali the moment it went from the great concept interior to the mess of wasted space we got ingame when they first made it.

[@VerifiedGoneGaming]

I mean... you're not wrong. But it is a cool ship regardless.

[@dallashardy4758]

The stupidest thing was using the retaliator to showcase modularity when they've been talking about how the caterpillar was set up for modularity

[@VerifiedGoneGaming]

This is an excellent point. Or Just releasing the Galaxy so they aren’t retrofitting an old ship.

[@MrBiglig]

Breaks my heart also but have faith that MM is in a transitional state and the dust will settle soon

[@VerifiedGoneGaming]

This summarizes it for me as well. It just sucks right now, which is why I made a video.

[@iranouspolaris2035]

There should be weapons controll for the pilot like on the C1 fir it if its a cargo varient niw.

[@VerifiedGoneGaming]

Precisely. At least one of the turrets and then just hand it one of the torp bays.

[@rooster1012]

Turrets are fine get some friends to play with, the extra shield generators and hull strength is part of the ship engineering refactor and you wanting a no skill I win button in game is sad.

[@VerifiedGoneGaming]

6 ships is always better than 6 dudes in one ship with 30k shield health. It's not even a close comparison. And my peeve is that I didn't get buyable cargo modules. The nerf to torps also sucks. But not being able to buy the modules in game is a clear cash grab, and we don't have to put up with this. We can say "this is predatory"

[@timborghinitube]

@@VerifiedGoneGaming It's such a crazy, out of touch community. If there were more players like the Helldivers 2 community, maybe CIG would feel like they need to finish the game.

[@DracoEX]

My issue is with the cargo bay itself. Did they nerf torpedoes? yes, but you can still get around that using IR tracking typhoons. My issue is that a Constillation's and corsair's cargo bay is big enough to hold a Fury and larget cargo for a cheeper price. That functionality of having a space you can do whatever you want with is what makes a cargo space great in a ship. Was a Constillation/corsair ever ment to be a respawn ship? No but you can fit a medical ursa rover in both, which way more then what the retalliators cargo module can do. The main point is CIG took the one thing the Retalliator was good at (being a tanky cool looking capital destroyer) and nerf it to the ground and slapp a $175 price tag on it and take out what was good about it to buy inban extra package, then present it as Not just a gold spray painted turd.

[@LeifPalmin]

I have a nother thing I was thinking of. How will the QT dampener in Cuttlas Blue or RSI Mantis work? Those to ships can not activate the dampener without being in SCM = super slow, and the ships that try to QT will be in NAV mode = fast. So.. The dampener will damp the QT in all ships that are stationary in nav mode close to one of those to ships..

[@SpaceDad42]

It won’t allow nav mode on you or your target when active.

[@VerifiedGoneGaming]

See comment below.

[@trichartfix]

Empty modules is so lame. I was sure id be losing the torpedoes that i loved but i thought they'd give me something in the modules not just a big empty space. Retaliator as a gunship with no modules is just a terrible experience. Nothing for the pilot to do

[@VerifiedGoneGaming]

Agreed. At least just locked cargo space or something. I'd love to be able to just buy in game, or something. You could buy the Base for years without being able to buy modules, so this about-face is just wild to me.

[@infohippie]

There's a ton of ships that can't really be flown solo until we get NPC crew and blades, the Retaliator is far from alone in that respect. Torpedoes, shields, and other components have all been nerfed down to a common baseline for now in preparation for further balancing, you just need to wait for a few patches. Every patch cycle makes a certain ship or two pretty useless until related systems have been addressed, it's just the Retaliator's turn at the moment.

[@RN1441]

We're 12 years in to development (14 if we accept Chris statement that he spent '1.5-2 years' on preproduction). The excuses about 'wait for X' are wearing very thin

[@VerifiedGoneGaming]

Especially when the ship WAS flyable. And they could have offered the modules IN GAME. It's a clear money grab.

[@Zeonymous]

ICYWW; You can turn off "Automatic Precision Mode" in the settings so you can go more than 30m/s with landing gear deployed.

[@VerifiedGoneGaming]

Thank you for this. I appreciate it.

[@thesilver3794]

Tbh the cargo modules should just be the default in base model. The nothing rooms are fucking stupid

[@MoonEaterSkoll]

you hunting in the wrong space if you cant find northrock bounties

[@VerifiedGoneGaming]

Where did they move to? They used to be at Crusader and Hurston, did they move elsewhere? I also checked at ArcCorp.

[@Sgt_Bilko]

CIG sells the Retaliator Base...does everyone a solid and gives them the bomber despite the MUCH cheaper price. Now everyone complains they don't have what they didn't pay for. GTFO, you broke your ship, not CIG. The modules weren't missing in game for that long (days, not even weeks) and they were the first modules CIG has done in game.

[@VerifiedGoneGaming]

I'm sorry, but paying $150-$175 isn't a "solid." Also, I knew full well I'd have to buy the modules IN GAME. In fact, I looked forward to that outcome. I fully expected it AFTER the Galaxy. It's just a blunder they could have easily avoided by at least messaging/communicating more. I don't understand why people can't say "you know what would have been nice, talking with people who have spent hundreds of dollars on your game."

[@Sgt_Bilko]

@@VerifiedGoneGaming You did get exactly what you paid for when they split the base Tali and the Tali bomber though. Should the rest of us who paid more be just as hurt because we actually didn't get what we paid for for a few days because the modules weren't available?

[@VerifiedGoneGaming]

@@Sgt_Bilko Did you actually buy the bomber? And I hold to my earlier statement, you could have gotten what you wanted, but I could get my modules buyable in game. Make them 1mil aEUC each, I don't care. Or just make it so I can only get cargo modules. Anything is better than having a ship that is currently worth nothing.

[@Jean-GERNE]

I kill Hammerhead and 890 with one Torp... boost to them and around at 3.2 km start Tropedo...

[@christophercarpenter4623]

Had someone do this to my reclaimer 2 days ago.

[@VerifiedGoneGaming]

You have to swap from Crosssection to Infrared or EM torps. It doesn't even work at point-blank range with the stock torpedos. Subliminal has a good segment in his VHRT/ERT bounties ranking video all about this. My experience is the same. And needing to swap out torpedoes is obnoxious and time consuming.

[@VerifiedGoneGaming]

Everything but a fully manned Hammerhead will lose to them. It's just Hammerheads.

[@Saturn-6]

I think they should have removed the hall ways on either side too create more space for the modules they could have 6 torps either side. The problem with the cargo is there is no room with the 4 elevator arms

[@VerifiedGoneGaming]

Yes! Agreed.

[@Thor_Asgard_]

This game needs AI blades T0 and NPC crew so urgently.... But what it needs more is a stable build, servers with more than 2 server fps, item auto stacking... 3.23 is pure shit atm

[@VerifiedGoneGaming]

Or at least selling the modules in game as a bridge. It's such an easy fix.

[@sigmamale6128]

Retaliator should have never had modules

[@VerifiedGoneGaming]

Agreed, or at least offer more modules.

[@Momijisu]

Makes post about the Retaliator being broken, ignores that goldpass is coming later this year and fixes pretty much everything broken with it right now.

[@VerifiedGoneGaming]

OMG. The ship is broken RIGHT NOW. How is this so hard to understand for people. I am a content creator. I'm not making content about how the game WILL be. That's hopes and prayers and CR's farts. I care about the game right now. And the ship I spent $150 on is a useless piece of trash right now.

[@prohydro2734]

Why is the intro 400x louder than the rest of the video...

[@VerifiedGoneGaming]

I'll fix that. Thanks for the feedback. I tried to fix the gain but it clearly didn't work well enough.

[@deci5608]

100% salt. 0% substance.

[@roberta2415]

You need friends turret power is always better if you can man it.

[@VerifiedGoneGaming]

It is not. You can't maneuver turrets, and you all share one health & shield pool in a much larger target. 6 ships > 6 guys in one ship. Every time.

[@gghardware]

What piece of hardware would you like me to make a video of on this channel?

[@VerifiedGoneGaming]

What's your current "best buy" pledge for Star Citizen?

[@SenidJackDaniels]

Aegis Avenger Titan.

[@micahisham]

Cutlass black

[@MrDecelles]

My hull D Currently gives me : Hull C, Hercules C2, Arrow for 300$ for multiple years until the hull D is available!!

[@GoneGwenting]

Can we bring a card game to the SC universe so I can cover that? :P

[@rekrn12345]

Its the very first iteration of modular ships. They are going to add them to in game stores soon. Crying over nothing. Torpedoes were also always intended for anti capital ships. It was also always intended for point defense to be able to counter missiles in general. Think about the expanse and how the PDC's in that show works. It was also always intended as a multicrew ship so not being able to do a lot of things solo is also irrelevant.

[@VerifiedGoneGaming]

My brother in Christ, I spent $175 on this ship and recommended it as my best buy. It's not "Nothing" unless you'd gladly like to donate me $175. Then I suppose it would be. People spent real money, when modules haven't been purchasable for literal years (nearly a decade). Least they could have done was offer them in game or given some other value back to backers who got screwed.

[@timborghinitube]

I agree. Even if this is temporarily the way it is, just why? The devs have lost their minds.

[@VerifiedGoneGaming]

All about money.

[@Luckdragon2000]

LOL! What a click-bait BS. The modularity is what the Retaliator is all about. Besides, I'm going to use this as a heavy-duty exploration ship as soon as the crew facilities are released.

[@VerifiedGoneGaming]

AS SOON AS THEY ARE RELEASED. See, that's why it's not clickbait, my main man. The bomber had a purpose. The base is now actually useless unless you pay more money to buy the cargo modules you couldn't buy for years. We'll also have to wait to see what "exploration" even looks like. And "crew facilities" are no where on the road map for the tally, only the Galaxy, so please don't hold your breath.

[@Kiwi_Dave]

One of the most useless ships in the game. Retaliator and Modules is just another cash grab the price for each module is an insult.

[@VerifiedGoneGaming]

Amen.

[@majorl33t]

Nothing is ruined read the patch notes and CIGs statement on spectrum. It was only a bug get over it

[@VerifiedGoneGaming]

Bug?!? I can't buy the modules in game. The Retaliator Base is useless right now. Watch the video please.

[@majorl33t]

@@VerifiedGoneGaming CIG stated if you got a retaliator prior to invictus just submit a ticket and they will fix it to have the bomb bays at no cost. Then you should have just obtained the cargo ones saving money. If you only buy the base model it has no mods and need to be obtained though the RSI story during the sale. All ships and content released to the PU after announced are always limited to those who buy them from RSI store for the first few weeks. Then they later release the ships and mods to buy in game with aUEC. CIG has never changed this and has been done for every ship ever launched for years.

[@VerifiedGoneGaming]

I think you’re missing some key facts. The ticket was only for Retaliator Bomber, not the base. Second, you can’t swap them for cargo ones. You have to BUY both to swap them in game. And each module costs as much as an individual ship. That’s stupid. These modules should cost $5-$20 each. Or just include all of them with the purchase of a $175 ship. It’s dumb to make this cost equal more than a Connie with a docked ship, more firepower, and more cargo. It’s just stupid and predatory ways of looking for money. Last, we’re talking past each other. It’s true that CIG has always launched ships for in game purchase later BUT they have never done this with modules, and it’s stupid. Are you really arguing that this predatory monetary scheme is good? Can we not just agree that this is rude to do to longtime backers?

[@majorl33t]

@@VerifiedGoneGaming Just save the money and buy with uec when they let you. Just like I explained before, just like all content for the game. Announcement buyers get first access, later patch opens up everyone to get with auec...it is the same thing. Just hurry up and wait and fyi never sed you are forced to spend money that is always a choice.

[@VerifiedGoneGaming]

@@majorl33t Ok, we both essentially agree on this. But I don't want you to lose my point just because CIG has programmed our expectations: We are all doing their jobs for them as alpha players. The thing most pledge players do is buy into ships so we can play them IMMEDIATELY at the start of a wipe. or We just don't want to grind in order to fly our favorite ships. I'm one of those people. The Tally isn't one of those ships for me. As such, I just want to buy my stuff. I think they would have sold the same number of cargo & bomb bays had they just offered them for sale both IN and OUT of game. There is no reason to have waited to launch them INSIDE of the game except to try and wring every penny out of players. and I think that's the kind of toxic behavior that has driven players away from the game and I want to see it changed. We do not have to stand for that kind of behavior. And, I see it as my job as a content creator to push back against that behavior. What do you think about that approach?

[@gunzorzz]

What a load of bull this video is. You know the game is in alpha. major stuff is not in or fixed nor balanced for a launch 1.0 state. ALso you dont have to spend a single penny on any of the modules or the ship, it will ALL be available ingame at some point. Every ship will... This is something u should know as a SC player.

[@VerifiedGoneGaming]

BUT IT'S NOT RIGHT NOW. There was no reason for them not to with the Tally. Only money. And we don't have to stand by and say "well, I paid $175, here's another $60 to have a point to owning the ship I just bought."

[@gunzorzz]

@@VerifiedGoneGaming What do you mean but for them not to? should they not put it to gold standard and do other ships isntead. Just because the ship was insanly OP in the current alpha and they chose YOUR favorite ship, you gonna make a rant about it xD? Every ship will get this treatment in the future. Also as i mentioned everything will be in the game for ingame cash that isnt rly hard to aquire.... You are making a problem out of nothing cus they made your favorite ship not to your liking. You should join that SaltEmike guy that only cries and whines about the game all the time :D