How Civilizations Cycle & Collapse | Samo Burja and Rudyard Lynch

[@danstvguy]

Rudyard might want to start some long form podcasts similar to Dan Carlin ... he is rapidly becoming a budding star.

[@ivanrandallorndorffjr.412]

Agreed. I was thinking rogan. He was on Danny Jones not long ago, very good episode.

[@ModemMage]

I've been watching him for a few years and there's been a dramatic change in his content, absolutely for the better. Started out exactly how the name sounds, just long from counterfactuals. Now it's great anthropology discussions

[@77bluesilver]

How has he not been on Rogan yet?!

[@pasoslargos9329]

History 102 is his long form podcast

[@HanzHermannHoppe]

​​@@pasoslargos9329he could go into way more detail though. His episodes are all 90 minutes +-30 whereas carlins are 3-9 hours per topic. Hes clearly capable of doing this, his bibliographies are large and comprehensive enough and he has the presentation skill to pull it off it'd just be a different style of presenting, more storytelling and narrative driven than the claim > context > argument format he currently uses. And way more time lol, which is a hard sell especialy if he wants to keep the cohost format. So i get why he doesnt do this, it's just a shame because hed be good at it.

[@sole__doubt]

Excellent talk. I think Rudyard really shines when hes in a conversation and Samo is just such an interesting thinker. Cant wait for the next episode.

[@amandacollyer645]

I can’t believe more people aren’t here for this convo…

[@michaelmaroney1660]

Far too many just do not believe that anything like this can happen in the current age that they live in. Yes head in the sand syndrome.

[@Leonhart_93]

It's probably shadow banned by yt.

[@jumpoutatree]

Why? Lynch is a completely unreliable source. My mother would be a better person to talk to.

[@jonlannister345]

Weird thing is that for a lot of human history there were just groups of wild people living in mountains and deep forests, even in the middle of civilisations.

[@barryandreasen6656]

I don't know about my civilization but I'm working hard to keep my family, community going.

[@Dionysus-gv9lz]

Very pragmatic approach!

[@CrustaceousB]

I direly regret not having taken this path in life. This is who will survive the coming cataclysm..

[@barryandreasen6656]

@@CrustaceousB it's not too late read as much as you can about basic survival and pick up a craft that will be useful in a community farming, animal husbandry, logging, medicine you don't have to be the founder of a community to be part of it don't give up hope and remember always be honest and trustworthy best of luck.

[@silverback7348]

This is the bedrock. Why do you think it is under such assault?

[@bagel3703]

Meditating off grid with your tradwife isn't going to save Western civilization.

[@andrewblake2254]

Brilliant talk guys. Angkor Wat is truly astonishing and i wondered when I saw it how such a vast civilisation could appear and disappear so recently without leaving much behind.

[@thefinalrestoration]

The long-winded interruptions make this very difficult to watch. When Rudyard was close to making an interesting point he was consistently interrupted.

[@justwatching2-y9w]

💯

[@I_am_that_one_guy]

I am a construction worker in the us, I independently came to these same conclusions just through pure observation. That's good news, consensus is being reached.

[@paulrobert3325]

I'm not an American but these observations make sense Academia is useless

[@namestitanfallltscompeteti1789]

Same for me and i am a student in Germany, a lot of different people seem to reach the same conclusions recently

[@marywimmer5018]

So so fascinating! I am looking forward to the next episode.

[@cyber_spock]

Bro I can't tell when I've already listened to a pod since it gets uploaded in three places

[@miyojewoltsnasonth2159]

If "it gets uploaded in three places," I would suggest watching/listening to one of the three. *Reply to:* _"Bro I can't tell when I've already listened to a pod since it gets uploaded in three places"_

[@cyber_spock]

@miyojewoltsnasonth2159 dude they're labeled different things and often edited to different lengths

[@tonypalmer9575]

The Chinese did have a very early system of movable type, long before Gutenberg. But they struggled with an ideographic form of writing that was difficult to industrialise - take a look at the Chinese language typewriter and see how complex it is. The impact of written language formulation is probably an expression of a civilisation's unconscious thinking, which makes it worth consideration.

[@yoyoma17]

Cvilisation's unconscious thinking,? Hmmm, sounds like an interesting idea but I don't quite get it, can you elaborate?

[@emrysmcwryn7902]

Humans are psychically connected to other memebers of their "tribe". This collective unconscious is personified as a or the god of the society. That entity is fueld by the dreams and unconscious thoughts of it's body- the minds of the people of a society.

[@NoOneToNoOne89]

Could you stop cutting Rudyard off to make random points? We get it, you know stuff. Completely detailing

[@julesknight1511]

Agreed. He pulling various threads together to understand something and before he can finish its something like "this happened, that's there". I love history, but being able to recite facts isn't as rare as being able to correlate many things into a coherent idea

[@DonG-1949]

smart people do this. different rules. also he's much older and well read than rudyard, bit of a master apprentice dynamic

[@julesknight1511]

@@DonG-1949 What are you talking about? He interrupts Rudyard with casual info that does not build on Rudyards point nor contribute to the overall conversion, just repeated interruptions of inconsequential details - so that no thought is allowed to unfurl itself and be explored. He maybe a brillant fellow but he's the worst interviewer

[@DonG-1949]

@@julesknight1511 yea it became a bit much as i kept listening

[@JAllanC12]

Please do this again, and repeat monthly or quarterly. Great scope and depth.

[@n0ghri]

Stop interrupting Rudyard. Its incredibly annoying.

[@qwjd8s693pt4kaun]

thank you for pointing it out I will know to at least put the speed up high btw KZbin RеVanced, people no ads, speed to up to x3, good sh1t

[@DavidEugeneIvey]

You dudes are excellent people!! I love your conversations and Rudyard, I watch all of your videos. Good work sir!

[@mylifeisnapless]

So when is the 3 hour conversation coming out?

[@Christianevanwhite]

Enjoyed the conversation, thanks.

[@WhoNeedsRogaine]

Thank you for making the adds chapters in the video

[@TheHermeticist369]

Dude interrupts too much

[@Appachoppa112]

On top of all the sponsors 😂

[@MjJones2020]

This dude needs to stop cutting Rudyard off....we get it, you're very impressed by yourself.

[@jakecasselman7858]

Damn that interruption at around 35:10 was so cringe

[@zoidberg444]

Interesting conversation.

[@gearracing]

Wonderful conversation

[@TheDanieldineen]

A point about literacy in the Roman empire. Well over 50% of the empire were the slave class, if 100% of Roman citizens were literate, that would still be a small number of the overall population.

[@astrobot702]

Rudy is breaking out!! I'm very glad. 'Anthropology of The Karen' by far is one of my faves and a must listen to podcast from Whatifalthist...❤❤❤😂😂😂

[@ToddMagnussonWasHere]

I’m getting McKenna vibes from Samo around 48:00 about the Buddhist and Machine religion threads as they relate to the Singularity. I do agree with the cyclical nature of civilization. What I am curious about though is the ancient vs. modern representation of Subsaharan Africa, of which maybe less than a handful notable or detectable higher civilizations are accessible to Western literature. As insulting as it may sound, do we have a good measure of why that is or are we avoiding stepping in manure because of monetization?

[@Fairbranksthecat]

My guess is since Africans are more adept to oral traditions instead of writing, the informations take more time to be coumpounded.

[@johnnyboy2537]

@@Fairbranksthecat I'd bet on a lot of that information dying out unfortunately due to various reasons.

[@abdirahmanbadal781]

Hello. Small correction .The scientific method AKA experimentation predates the medieval monks.Muslim philosophers like Ibnu Rushd knew it.Maybe it goes earlier than the Muslims.

[@WuhSuhDood]

Interrupting is cringe

[@QdogMcat]

This guy needs to get a grip.

[@skyfall7110]

Awesome! New sub here

[@hismajesty6272]

As a Christian I think it isn’t that classical Christianity is anti hierarchy (for example the Church is hierarchically governed), it’s that hierarchies in Christian societies are geared toward helping those lower on the ladder, unlike say a Roman society, where upper class men were supposed to shun and abuse the poor.

[@mason4354]

This Turpentine fella is pretty smart on history stuff

[@tuckerprice5521]

I think of the Roman emperor Constantine as the founder of what we would now recognize as Western Civilization. He was literally the one who combined the Christian and Roman influences you're talking about, since he was the first Christian emperor and reformed the empire drastically.

[@jalcobo]

I read somewhere that Rudyard has 4-5 kids with 4-5 different black women.

[@kevc3148]

Bruh 😄

[@JeremyHelm]

26:32 Jefferson / revolutions 26:50

[@JeremyHelm]

27:04 four or five refactorings

[@JeremyHelm]

55:46 civilizations phenomenological different

[@lucaskuczek]

Rudyard might have the historical biblical definition of meek incorrect. The biblical definition is the correct definition, not the current one. Currently meek is synonymous with weak. The original definition could be summed up by a quote from Theodore Roosevelt. "speak softly and carry a big stick; you will go far"

[@Jack-np6db]

Meek is synonymous with weak because it is weak. And quoting an Imperialist tyrant who singlehandedly destroyed the European and Aryan soul for post-modern globalism doesn't do you any favours. I have no doubt you wore a mask and got the vaccine, weak coward

[@rydrbrummett7335]

Rudyard for president

[@markmoores5347]

Very interesting, but the bit about forest cover in the UK by 1700 is incorrect - forest had been declining in the UK for thousands of years by that point and was far lower than many other countries.

[@bennett21]

Random guy in Florida confirming I am listening and did not get offended… 😜

[@willlowry1573]

If you think about it, AI will provide the most accurate description of the headline discussion in the most clairvoyant type of perspective- as we go into more advanced stages of “human”acquiescence.

[@spread4me75]

Rudy is a brain stud!

[@AttlasAllux]

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[@johnnelligan4091]

No I do not consider this a same society ! Everywhere is different ! We are a construct not a country !

[@rustyscrapper]

Trying to fight someone wearing a helmet with fake eyes and fake hands on the arms might throw off a fighter enough to have an advantage. An experienced fighter might actually aim for the decoys because of muscle memory. Most effectively if a combatant grabs a fake hand thinking it's the real hand, they are wide open to get stabbed by the real arm.

[@captainmaim]

15:00 Does anyone have a historical reference to Jesus working as a carpenter? I generally think he was never a laborer or craftsman.

[@alexglanz7406]

Middle age monks developed science? Scientific method? In many early societies, shamans or religious persons practiced observation, documentation and experimentation. The motive may have been an immediate need, but does that invalidate it? There is nothing more basic than birth, the family unit, early education (both tactile and linear). Literacy was often restricted by profession or gender (yes, in Abrahamic cultures, too). Great conversation, though personally I like to start at the cradle, e.g., brain development, nutrition, left/right brain selection. I will look at other videos. Thank you so much! I have "slave class" status here in the States, but I do have Wi-Fi

[@bradtheunchad3192]

I'd give it two more weeks.

[@alesalter7653]

Praise the Machine God. Cancel the infidels)))) In RAM we trust. All the souls go to the great cloud beyond)))) Eternal paradise of endless power and infinite computing))))))

[@grantfrith9589]

All the old god's are coming back now that the Christian one has been ousted from his position. I don't think society in the future will replicate the sophistication of what we've been able to achieve unless that part of our value system falls into another monotheistic enchantment. Best we've got is Sigourney weavers character in Galaxy Quest screaming "Look! I have one damn job to do on this ship 'IT'S STUPID!' but I'm going to do it..." She had to repeat the order for the computer... We're not sophisticated collectively without a grounding in our historical records and stories. Iain McGillchrist was right. Our rational hemisphere is by far the more prone to delusion...

[@dejalmer]

on the discussion of how America is composed multiple american ethnicities and cultures. I grew up in South Texas and due to my field and the job situation I had to move to Ohio for work. The culture of the people around me is similar in some ways to the culture of where I grew up, but different in various other ways. The most striking thing to me is the pride in the state. In Texas the shape of the state is literally everywhere its inescapeable. Its like the marathon logo in bungie games post marathon its everywhere. Thats comepletely untrue for Ohio. Its on signs for state roads and thats basically it. State symbols are rarely displayed in Ohio outside of an official capacity where as in Texas they are ubiquitous. Prior to moving to Ohio I had falsely assumed that every state had major state pride on the level of Texas.

[@cdevidal]

I'm that random guy in Florida and I'm offended

[@mikethomas6120]

Rudyard has this amazing ability to rattle off historic fact after fact the same way independent journalists Whitney Webb can rattle off the names and players in the elite think tanks around the world. Ah to be young again. Rudyard is only 23! I don’t necessarily buy into societies views that everyone young is dumb and ignorant until they grow older and wiser. It has to do with being passionate about something. By the time I was Rudyard’s age I had taught myself how to proficiently play 15 different musical instruments and how to produce music tracks where I would record each instrument by myself separately, combining them to sound like a whole entire group was playing. How I was able to do this at that young age was because of my passion for it. Now at double the age of Rudyard, can I still pull off the music thing? Sure can, just not as prolific. Clearly Rudyard is very passionate about history and anthropology.

[@psikeyhackr6914]

When have any societies engaged in planned obsolescence? Did the Romans have washing machines and refrigerators to be redesigned to become obsolete? Where is the data on the annual depreciation of automobiles purchased by American consumers since Sputnik? Oh wait, our economists with PhDs did not incorporate that into the Net Domestic Product equation. What do you mean economists do not talk about NDP?

[@aaronwilkinson8963]

If they call the Time when Constantine become emperor start of the middle age's or the Dark age. Then can we say we have already entered a dark age in our own Time. The signs of a dark age is already here

[@hughjass7914]

Isms exist so Ugmos can date. That is all.

[@noway2563]

10 years max

[@miyojewoltsnasonth2159]

"10 years max"? What are you talking about?

[@kevc3148]

How do you talk about the stark change in wealth of the Spanish empire without mentioning the money men being expelled from yet another country tho

[@drunvert]

We need to restrict voting rights to people that have skin in the game. If you are not paying taxes or do not reach the threshold to pay federal taxes, you should not vote.

[@kevc3148]

We're sooo far past that point lmao it's parallel civilization time broski

[@mr.ferg0112]

The way Plato presents his Republic does not reflect the classical Greek zeitgeist. Plato is more alike to western civilization than ancient Greece

[@mattstachelek3410]

What about the anthropology of Australia? Or Antarctica?😂😂

[@serdoubleyou6239]

This was hard to listen to only because the host wouldn't let his guests finish their thoughts.

[@willlowry1573]

No Sir, it is incorrect to say the brain is like a computer. Hint: search Lex Friedman address this issue about the place of memories in neural tissue with an accredited brain surgeon and his 40 years of work. Every neural architecture is unique- no comparability to code.

[@miyojewoltsnasonth2159]

17:28 "Jesus Christ was literate." Do we actually know Jesus was literate?

[@rikardstevvon3618]

This conversation is antiflowing and unbearable to listen to.

[@panzer00]

Another 50 11 years

[@miyojewoltsnasonth2159]

"Another 50 11 years" What are you talking about?

[@panzer00]

@miyojewoltsnasonth2159 if you know, you know; I guess you just dont know

[@фанатКуплинова-ь1е]

@@miyojewoltsnasonth2159 It's either them looking too old or some weird pedo code talk shit

[@death2all79zx]

How many podcasts does the egghead with glasses actually run?

[@brakefaded]

Why you got a problem with Florida people 😂😅

[@cdevidal]

I'm that random guy in Florida and I'm offended

[@albarosolis5969]

I have a suggestion I know I'll be laughed at, but start with the thought Jesus Christ is God incarnate, and he really has paid for our sins. Therefore, the Old Testament is true, and God is telling us that he is working everything as he planned But before you start, pray and ask him to show you who he is and if it is his perfect will he will reveal himself to you and you will know the truth and the truth will set you free. Lord Jesus Christ, I pray that you have mercy on us and save us glory be to God

[@MidnightMoses-ow1ul]

Over 4 years on and off in africa taught me this . I see the same cultures encroaching in the west at a Alarming rate.

[@ARvsAK]

Makes me curious what their presence in the west taught them.

[@MakeyMakes]

10:04 lol, he wrong cause he looked to man for the answer. The real answer is our Lord's Kingdom. But the neanced one probably mentions what he did 😏

[@harrybaulz666]

Chicken little the sky is falling😅

[@flhxri]

The interruptions make this unlistenable

[@saltMagic]

One guy speaks in salads, and cuts people off. The other stuck to his points.

[@flipp081]

It's incredibly annoying when Samo Burja constantly interrupts. Lost my respect for him.

[@overlordisgoogle8431]

Considering Europe outside of Poland have fallen... America isn't far behind.

[@michaelcannon4835]

Why is the bald guy doing such a terrible job at conversing? He keeps cutting Rudyard off b4 he finishes his thought and spurgs out like an AI search result. Not cool. Someone needs to give him a lesson on letting the other person finish their thought.

[@jumpoutatree]

This young lad has no degree in history and therefore should not be relied upon as some kind of expert in the subject. There are a great many actual historians that you could speak to.

[@__-bz7wh]

Chudnation rising ...

[@donaldgrant9067]

Too long, way too long.

[@robertcarroll7802]

Too

[@blondequijote]

That’s not what your mom told me.

[@donaldgrant9067]

@@blondequijote Even though my mom has been dead for 25 years and is a dried up corps, but if that is your thing go right ahead.

[@blondequijote]

@@donaldgrant9067 Your dead mom was just talking to me about life, not any sexual activity. I suppose a generic "that's what she said" would have been a more appropriate offhand remark.

[@Jack-np6db]

Then the content is not for you, you brain-addled, narcissistic, ADHD, attention span deficit, ADD, brain fried, porn brain fried, tv brain fried, retarded boomer

[@AncientRylanor69]

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[@jeffstracco-dr7pp]

Dear KZbin algorithm- why do you keep sending me this guys “bull session” talks? And hilarious bull sessions it is! 😂 Gross generalizations made by people with no apparent qualifications that are simultaneously condescending. These guys need to get out and experience the real world.😂😂😂😂😂

[@klovvin]

Too many scam promotions like Fundrise... Complete scam

[@benjones1717]

This guy is like me writing an essay when I was 12. All edgey Joe Rogan opinions

[@shart-o-trond5592]

He's not wrong.

[@MagnusVictor2015]

Well, with any luck you'll grow out of that view by the time you hit 14.

[@idolsrule4678]

You’re the type of person that during a fire, instead of running to get out. You would turn around and say “where” as the burning roof falls upon you.

[@Jack-np6db]

You're a brain fried zoomer who has masturbated to porn for your entire developmental years and are barely lucidly conscious or sentient to the point I guarantee you have no idea what anyone is even talking about here. The fact that you're out of your depth made you feel insecure. You probably didn't even know half the the civilisations mentioned. You're projecting your own uneducated self and inferiority complex

[@rickfool1452]

can't stand the constant interruptions mate. but love these talks.

[@Takeru9292]

Guy in the red shirt is very ignorant of African history, like many eurocentrists before him. Of course African societies had a concept of time.

[@saltMagic]

People from Yemen still don't keep track of their own age. There are multiple videos on youtube showing this oddity when the rest of the world has birthdays. Not having a concept of time was a thing for MOST of the world for a very very long time.

[@Jack-np6db]

Why do you take having or not having the concept of time as an insult? Ironically you are the one who is eurocentric by thinking that having a linear, fixed concept of time is somehow superior. Why? Why do you think that? Because Europeans made you think that time is important, because you're a time slave. You've imposed this preconception on peoples on the world and your expectations of them to adhere to your worldview yourself.

[@JPDeshaies-y3i]

Nobody care 😂😂😂

[@Jack-np6db]

The same way you father doesn't care about you, you project that onto the world

[@patricksullivan3919]

Not long. The beginning of the greatest depression has begun

[@BTCforce]

Media says soft landing lol

[@saltMagic]

@@BTCforce how does one soft land into a black hole?

[@patricksullivan3919]

Thank the bankers

[@death31313]

46:40 Your kind cling to your flesh as if it will not decay and fail you. One day the crude biomass that you called a temple will wither and you'll beg my kind to save you. But I am already saved. For the machine is immortal. Even in death I serve the Omnissiah.

[@rickfool1452]

JESUS CHRIST STOP INTERRUPTING RUYARD

[@patricksullivan3919]

As usual. And the corporations

[@Christianevanwhite]

Enjoyed the conversation, thanks.