How Could Robb Stark WIN the Iron Throne | Game of Thrones

We go through how Robb Stark could have navigated events of Game of Thrones to eventually WIN and sit the Iron Throne. Does the Red Wedding still happen? What does Robb do with his mother Catilyn Stark? Can Robb make an alliance with Stannis Baratheon or Dorne? Does Robb execute Jaime Lannister before his mother frees him? How does this effect the Lannisters in Kings Landing?
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[@TheFandomeClips]

This channel is becoming too entertaining for its own good. They pay homage now, but how long until they decide they are the rightful kings of light hearted thrones content, and are at our gates demanding that we bend the knee to them?

[@OurHiltsHurt]

Nah, we know our place, Liege Lords. But if you insist on kneeling down, we would never say no to some fan-Dome...

[@AlexMitchell-ct8tt]

@@OurHiltsHurt what if overly beat the mountain in Tyrions trial

[@jayk5114]

Fantastic comment 😂😂 and yes this channel is becoming too great and entertaining for its own good

[@chudneythomas8673]

What id joffrey wasn't a brat

[@FollowProto]

We know no King but Our Hilts Hurt

[@skettinbutter3635]

Robb should have married walder frey. Then their son goes north to bring craster the kind into the fold. Dany never makes it to westeros at this point.

[@OurHiltsHurt]

Oh now that’s the true golden path

[@Blackstar-yd3yf]

​@@OurHiltsHurtBro Just bringing craster into your country will raise the birthrate by 500%

[@babalu7737]

Ther IS also a counter tactic when tywen wants to do small raiding Partys against the north that is send wildlings Up ther give Them save Passage and they have a place in your Kingdom and can keep evrything they get from raids against the westerlands

[@zaxx]

"I didn't pull out ONE TIME, and now we're all gonna die" Robb Stark

[@OurHiltsHurt]

Classic Robb quote

[@wrathsinful6389]

My boy Walder even said Robb could've married both his twin daughters. Lord Frey was being super reasonable but Robb just needed that nut. Must've been a ridiculous lay to break his oath.

[@RINO92xxl]

She must have been absolute filth in the chambers

[@OurHiltsHurt]

Robb is the bad guy in that situation

[@notgoddhoward5972]

Who knows with those westerlanders. If Cersei, Tyrion, Joffrey and Jaime are anything to go by they get up to some freaky stuff.

[@wrathsinful6389]

@@OurHiltsHurt Guess we need a video about Robb being the true villain of GoT.

[@Ruger34]

I mean Talisa in the show is the most attractive woman in the show imo

[@jr370113]

If Robb just married Margery he really is unbeatable.

[@zakzerak7191]

if he claims the iron throne maybe but otherwise the tyrells would never marry for a pact with the north. too unstable (as the north is so big) it takes too long to get help from them(as we see with the amount of time where robb gathered 12k people and reaches riverrun) and also not rich or fertile lands.

[@KingDizzo86]

@@zakzerak7191while it would’ve taken longer to mobilize if they wanted to attack as a single army, I think it would’ve worked as a way to get the lannisters to fight a war on 2 fronts. Randyl Tarly and the Tyrell host marching from the South, and Robb (the warging cheat code) with his host marching from the north

[@Gunleaver]

If Robb only had dragons and a magic sword and an army of Unsullied and Dothraki and the Golden Company, and the treasury of Casterly Rock at his disposal, he'd be unbeatable, except, no, he'd lose for the same reason he lost in the story - because he is the competent & loving older brother to a group of fantasy protagonists. He died for the same reason Uther Pendragon does, for the same reason that Uncle Owen & Aunt Beru get skeletonized, and James & Lilly Potter die when Harry is a baby - because the stakes are not the same if the heroes have a safe and secure home with a powerful protector to fall back on. Marrying Margaery is a strategy just like the ones I mentioned above. It's an Underpants Gnome Scheme, except the question is before the method. Step One = ?; Step Two = Marry Margaery Tyrell, Step Three = Beat everyone with the largest army in Westeros. The important bit is step one. How does he marry Margaery? Why does Margaery marry him? When the series starts, the Tyrells are looking to marry her to King Robert. They have their eyes on the Iron Throne, which Robb does not. They will never ever marry her to Robb unless they become extremely desperate in radically different circumstances, because Robb has no claim to the throne, and does not have dragons to get his novel dynasty established and accepted for a hundred years.

[@Scrubje]

I like the idea that when Robb learns about Catelyn letting Jaime go, he gets mad and to get back at her, he Legitimises Jon and releases him from his oath. When Robb knows he is entering a political game, he will probably want an uncorruptable friend at his side. Given that Theon betrayed him allready he will need a right hand man.

[@SonOfSparda03]

Reek*

[@notgoddhoward5972]

Happy for Edmure to get the level 50 Frey mafia boss baddie instead of Robb "muh honour" Stark. My brother in the old gods and the new. You could have had the peak of Frey genetic evolution which Walder spent 80 years perfecting like a Crusader Kings player.

[@OurHiltsHurt]

Walder Freys blood will sit the iron throne. It’s GRRM plan.

[@noamias4897]

Edmure should’ve married a Frey girl 30 years ago but bro was too busy trying to be a sigma

[@Jaymo00]

Bro this comment made me laugh out loud 😝 Crusader kings lmfao so true

[@jooobyy]

If Robb Stark made a marriage pact with Craster, maybe promising Sansa to one of Crasters thoroughbred sons, I think he would've had a real good shot at winning the throne. Neither Walder Frey or Roose Bolton would disrespect guest right under the threat of Crasters retribution.

[@OurHiltsHurt]

Craster + anyone = Iron Throne

[@MadManManderly]

I think that another way this could go down is that Robb betroths Rickon to Shireen to make a peace with Stannis at the wall. Then when Stannis dies fighting, the entire united front would rally around him as Lord Regent and fight to put Shireen on her throne. Not quite as awesome but still ends up with a Stark as King Consort and Robb essentially running the realm as regent, and later hand.

[@taureansynner6993]

I like that idea. Northerners act as Regents (as Kings Landing still has traitors loyal to Lannisters and others around) until Shireen/Rickon can rule in their own right, and Robb has Northern Independence as part of the agreement. I think, also as part of the agreement, The newly independent Northern Kingdom would be expected to provide security for the Northern part of the Westerosi Continental Kingdom ('6 Kingdoms').

[@ToeKnife166]

I’m just glad that the Freys didn’t taint their bloodline by breeding with Starks.

[@OurHiltsHurt]

Based and Frey pilled. Freys will rise again.

[@ferrm1992]

😂😂😂

[@JagmasterGeneral12374]

I did an aegon conquest campaign as the freys was given the river lands after I captured harren the black I ended up sacking winter fell during a civil war because they betrayed the crown

[@robbiewira5344]

im almost positive freys and starks probaly married and intermingled the bloodline many times over westros history

[@jwagner4050]

As I recall, part of the motivation for marrying Jeyne (dunno about show Talisa) is that Robb didnt want to have any bastards, because of how his brother Jon was treated by his mother and the stain it had on the family. Much like how Ned's view on not wanting to see Cersei's children die was driven by how he saw Elia's children killed and the trauma it caused him.

[@PalpatineIsAJew]

Yeah, Talisa was such a downgrade. I hope Jeyne is actually pregnant in the Winds prologue and gives birth to Robb Stark II.

[@johnstockley6976]

Golden path or no I think it's most likely, once things wound down to just Robb and Stannis, that Roose Bolton messages Stannis with the offer to betray robb to be lord paramount...only for the Mannis to later assign JUSTICE for that same betrayal.

[@sideofwinder]

I love this channel, too damn funny and so underrated

[@OurHiltsHurt]

Hey thanks. Glad you found the channel and enjoy it.

[@sdfasdfeasfrqwetf3242]

Imagine this. Rob sends Roose Bolton and his army on a suicide mission to kill Stannis and his forces. It solves two problems in one and parallels what Roose did to the Starks in the main series

[@Gunleaver]

Why would the Boltons go?

[@MikeHunt-wl6md]

Just turn Talisa into the Iron Throne so Robb can simp over it

[@OurHiltsHurt]

Oh yeah if he could just use his simp energy for the throne and not that woman… he would have been king in a fort night

[@petebondurant58]

There is no Talisa. That is series fan fiction.

[@PalpatineIsAJew]

@@petebondurant58 Yes, Jayne Westerling is Robb's wife who he only married because he did not wish to dishonour after sleeping with her out of grief for the death's of his two younger brothers. She is also alive so I think she will give birth to Robb Stark II in the Winds prologue if we ever get the damn book.

[@therealsanta4919]

Robb Stark was a naughty boy this year

[@OurHiltsHurt]

Stocking full of coal this year

[@vibechecker3168]

Video idea: why the Ironborn deserve worse

[@Bannermann]

1:40 not only that, but thousands died for rob, just for him to betray their sacrifice because he wanted to dip his sausage….

[@godemperorofmankind3.091]

marrying the frey girl only would have delayed the inevitable. the freys didnt have nearly enough men to make much of a difference by that point

[@doom199]

Robb: So we're fine. As long as nobody lets any of our hostages go! Catelyn: Question!

[@faroukshaaban1140]

If Ned Stark could give up Ashara Dayne, the mother of his bastard (I stand by this theory till disproven by GRRM) for the super Karen, Robb can uphold his oaths.

[@OurHiltsHurt]

Agreed. Robb should know this but acts differently.

[@michaeltei4173]

If Robb followed his brain and not his doodle. He would probably have won

[@panzerfury6579]

Thanks!

[@OurHiltsHurt]

No. Thank you.

[@alcibiades---7]

Had Robb or Cat been at least a bit politically savy in regards to the Vale, they could have very easily pull it to their side. People are unhappy with Lysa's decisions. The Royce, Waynwood, Templeton and Redfort are tied to the Starks. Yohn Royce has almost every important house in the Vale behind him and openly supports Robb. Nestor Royce, who holds the Gates of the Moon wants to marry Lysa for the regency of the Vale. Robb could just go there, gather the Vale bannermen and indirectly threaten Lysa, forcing her to declare for him. And Robb has a person with this exact knowledge, the Blackfish. I think he actually had a good chance of getting the alliance with the Ironborn by not sending Theon (makes him seem weak) and regarding Balon as a king. Something like "Great King Balon of the Iron Islands, hereby I offer you an alliance against the wicked Joffrey and Tywin. May you keep any land you may capture." Though, I think delaying the marriage is a good decision. Walder, nor Roose can do anything if Winterfell doesn't fall. They could be as mad as they want, but not really threaten Robb.

[@Heroesironthrones]

Rob had tons of pressure on his ass. Solid on the battlefield undefeated lol Great vid once again

[@drerose9316]

How HBO Robb could’ve won: 1. As soon as Catelyn arrives at his camp inserting her opinions to his captains on a war that she won’t be wielding a sword in, send her ass back to Winterfell and away from his war council. She has even less experience than he does. As the heir apparent, he was taught diplomacy, warfare, and strategy from day one. She received her training from a septa to be a proper lady, not a warrior. 2. Instruct his soldiers and stewards not to obey any of her orders, and that they should only be there to protect Winterfell until he sends word otherwise. 3. The end

[@Anthony-si8ih]

‘Is there a chance that little finger could bad catelyn’ 😂😂😂😂😂😂 bruh you guys are too good

[@michaeltei4173]

The more I listen to this, Robb really fumbled the whole thing. He was in such a good position

[@tylerrackcliff6690]

Change after you get to the Littlefinger part: After Littlefinger marries Catlyn his plan would be to help facilitate a formal treaty between Starks & Baratheons to unite the realm again. They agree, and its laid out that after the war, the Starks get an independent North and part of the riverlands. Stannis claims everything south of the Twins down to Dorne. Vale will be part of the Barratheon claim . Their alliance is formalized by the marriage alliance of Shireen & Robbs first born with the Frey girl. Stannis takes the reach as Robb takes the iron islands before moving to casterly rock. The greyjoy uncles flee on their ships, and per Jon snow’s request, the wildlings who fought with them are able to settle the Iron Islands. Robb then takes casterly rock, seizing the gold reserves. Stannis hets vengeance on Mace & company by securing the reach. They take prisoners (Kevan Lannister, etc.) and re-group to march with their full might to take Kings Landing. BUT treachery; Little Finger had knocked up Catelyn, which would give him a stark heir, and he knew victory was eminent. So Stannis is poisoned before he could claim the throne he was righted to. The blame is pinned on captured Lannister hostages (which were freed by littlefinger to make it believable). Melisandre tries to resurrect him but fails, questioning her power. They send for Baric dondarrion and company to help resurrecting their fallen king. Without an Heir, Both Davos and Melisandre convince stannis’ army, already assembled, to finish what they started even without their king. Under robbs leadership , they sack Kings Landing. In kings landing, margaery convinced the faith militant to help them- given that a champion of the r’holor was outside their gates. They agree to settle their differences & Peasants were conscripted to fight. Cersei, as a last ditch effort , prepares to blow up Kings Landing with wildfire if need be. Fighting is bloody & chaotic, with many casualties. Berric dondarion and company are found with the brotherhood, including the hound, but are unsuccessful at resurrecting Stannis. This proves he was not who was promised. The Red witch then believes in Robb, as Stannis had, and believes that his grandchild, the product of Robb’s first born who marries shireen, was the prince promised. A group, including the hound, infiltrate kings landing with the mission of taking King tommen & cersei. The hound runs into the mountain for clegane bowl and are foiled. Both die. Arya tries her luck as a faceless man, and wearing the face of Jaime Lannister who died before, kills Cersei instead of capturing her (fulfilling her name off of her list). This prevents her from igniting the wildfire. Tommen sees this and commits suicide like the show. Robbs forces breach the walls & maergary & the high sparrow surrender the capital city. The war is won. Mellisandre wants to execute the the high sparrow For holy justice, but Robb refuses, realizing that they need to rebuild; not start a holy war. She reluctantly agrees. The only way to rebuild and heal, he realizes, is to become king over westeros. Like Jon he “doesnt want it” but his obligation is too great. Maergary was spared and so Tyrells live on. Kevin lannister bends the knee and myrcella is still in dorne so the lannisters live on (though they were booted from casterly rock, which Robb turned into an asset of the crown, which he plans to mine for gold to pay off the debts of the crown). After the war and Robb is made king, he rules. Arya is sent to help sansa in Winterfell to rebuild the north & put boltons in thier place again. Littlefinger plot to one day put him his son on the iron throne. But for now tries ti get Robb to make him hand. Robb instead names Davos his hand in honor of stannis, also choosing to name his second born Stannis Stark. All is well again until victarion Greyjoy, having made it essos, returns as a husband to dany. They have dragons and Tyrion, and although Tyrion tries to come to peace talks, war seems imminent. Luckily, robb had paid back the Iron Bank, so they have provided awesome Scorpions and catapults that can launch wildfire. There are a few small battles, including one where bran successfully wargs into one if Dany’s dragons, the one victorian was riding, & crashes it into a cliffside to kill it and victarion greyjoy. The experience is traumatizing for bran to suicide as a dragon, and he loses his warging powers for a time. Before they can finish their war, they receive word that the Night king has passed the wall, and is days away from Winterfell (where sansa is holding it down). Robb asks for danys aid, to put aside their fighting and to go help the north. With Tyrions help, dany agrees but under condition that kings landing is hers which wasnt Disagreed to. Dany, Robb, and thier armies go to fight, while davos stays to rule in Robbs absence. Tyrion stays to negotiate with him, and littlefinger and some of the other weaker ones stay behind to govern kings landing include catelyn stark and such. When they get to winterfell it is abandoned. Sansa and arya put up a good fight with the northern forces, but lost nonetheless. Robb and company, with 2 dragons, fight the nightking in open field. Its revealed that Jon and some if the surviving nights watch had retreated to the iron islands where they got the wildings to come help them. Robb is injured, one of danys dragon dies in the fight. The other; drogon, is hit with some night king spell that made it feral to even dany. Before it can kill her, Bran taps into it again, controlling drogon and using him against the night king. Drogon/bran takes out all of his generals, but the knight king kills him. Jon, in battle, sees a wight arya and kills her, igniting his sword and then he 1v1s the now alone night king and kills him. Jon and robb are both sad and tired of all the fighting. Robb agrees to recall his claim over kings landing if dany recognizes an independent north. She obliges after loses all of her dragons. They agree to unite thier houses one day. Jon returns to the wall after a brotherly hug. He is the lord commander until the day he dies Back in kings landing, catelyn dies in childbirth (shes old) trying to produce little fingers kid. The kid is dead and deformed with a little finger. Petyr is super sad. When Dany returns with rob, he takes him mom to bury her at winterfell. He bestows the iron throne to dany, who finally sits it. Davos and tyrion and messandi are all appointed council members. Littlefinger wasnt. In one last trick, littlefinger arranges to blow up the entirety of kings landing with the wildfire below. When Dany is away doing something else, he sits the throne, finally, and waits for the wildfire to catch. It does, and alll of kings landing is destroyed. Everyone there is dead- aside from dany who doesnt burn. She is finally seeing her vision. When king Robb hears of this, he sends care packages to try and help them down south. Dany comes to him, and they marry at winterfell, making him king of the realm, and the new capital city winterfell.

[@2345mat]

I acknowledge how much time you spent on this; but I think its terrible.

[@PseudoNym4011]

​@@2345matJust like Game of thrones.

[@Abysmal_Anomaly]

On the banner of House Bolton, doesn't it stand to reason that the flayed man on the Bolton sigil could be a Stark?

[@keizervanenerc5180]

Well, what is dead may never die..... Bailon becomes a white walker after dying 3 times!

[@OurHiltsHurt]

Oh man. GRRM was giving us the hint. Greyjoys don’t die. Just come back harder and smellier

[@alabamamagick]

I was about to make a similar comment lol. Glad I wasn't the only one. 😂

[@J.ShamarAp]

Bruh yall have to be some of the funniest people on the internet. Just binged yall shit and was rolling the whole time lmao. Yall keep it up, got a fan in me

[@movieloverfan18]

Rob Stark was not able to get there in time to save his father, so it didn't matter that he used the Frey Bridge. He could have just taken his army south and crossed at the Ford. He did get several thousand Frey men with the marriage alliance, but Walder Frey was bannerman to Edmure Tully who Robb was going to help and Walder should have already sent those men to the Tullys. So Robb should have just threatened them to let him pass and send the men, or after they win then both armies return and wipe the Twin castles off of the map.

[@debater452]

How Craster could have won

[@OurHiltsHurt]

We are making that video lol

[@alexwells6079]

Thank you 😂

[@CMAzeriah]

The North can never be independent if the South is unified. Sure they have a decent buffer in the Riverlands and a natural defense but they are surrounded on all sides by water. A Unified South would have the resources and manpower to conquer the North, especially since summer is so long, no matter how environmentally hostile and fierce they may be. It would be bloody but it could work.

[@Barcaplsfkinwin]

I have a simple proposition. Have Robb immediately declare for Stannis after he kills Renly. As part of this alliance, Robb is betrothed to Shireen, heiress to the Crownlands AND the Stormlands. Refuse Walder's demands and storm the twins. Sure, Riverrun may fall, but that's potentially also good as Edmure and Hoster would die leaving Catelyn and by extension Robb as the Lords of the Riverlands. From there, coordinate with Stannis to win him the throne and simply wait for him to die meaning Robb and Shireen and their stark kids would control The North, Riverlands, Crownlands and Stormlands. This is more or less how the Habsburgs came to control half of western europe in the 1500s Well, until Dany shows up ig.

[@ndthomp]

You guys are great orators. Im surprised you aren't more popular. You guys are hilarious

[@charleshayes1348]

Robb’s simp meter would break if he saw Dany land with a dragon 😂😂😂

[@Hakar17]

Why Dany isn't even that attractive and sh s literally insane,and infertile. Basically she's the worst possible wife for any nobleman ever.

[@Hakar17]

Never got the hype over Dany she's not really that hot and she's completely insane. She's also sterile seems like a waste of time beyond a smash and dash to me.

[@charleshayes1348]

@ I mean she does have giant fire breathing lizard, that’s points 😂

[@Hakar17]

@charleshayes1348 So crazy chick with what are effectively nuclear weapons. That doesn't really help seems like a massive liability

[@rxrx69]

That craster vid better be good

[@OurHiltsHurt]

It’s coming lol

[@Argos-xb8ek]

Robb couldve just been a regular lord called Talisa in the Show/Jayne in the Book a spoil of war kept her as a mistress pushed for a marriage consummation for his Frey Wife put her up somewhere safe and kept fighting.

[@danielletsgo3367]

Obviously Rob just needed Crasters Rod and he could have gotten the seven bloody kingdoms

[@OurHiltsHurt]

Having Craster on your side is playing on easy mode

[@JHarris533]

Although we do not know for sure, it is more reasonable to think Robb was a virgin before Jeyne/ Talisa, than the alternative. in one of Bran's POV chaoters, he overhears Theon talking about some of the Winter town's whores to Robb, and whilst i can't remember the exact phrasing he phrases the conversation like "have i ever told you about her", "she does this", "she sounds like that"... things Robb would know if he had joined Theon in his whoring.

[@Provos7777]

If the North was going to declare independence, Robb should have remained in the North & played defense. Would have been a suicide mission for the Lannisters & powerful allies like the Tyrells never would have joined them. Robb could have put a strong garrison at Moat Callin, send a strong force to reinforce Deepwood Motte in case of Ironborn encroachment, & Winterfell never would’ve fallen. From Winterfell, Robb could have negotiated a proper alliance with the Reach & Dorne through marriage for himself & siblings. Going to the actual story - Number 1. Robb never should’ve declared himself King in the North, that immediately made Stannis an enemy. Number 2 - Robb never should have sworn an oath to the Frey’s. Number 3. Never sent Theon to treat with Balon Number 4. Never gave Roose Bolton command of the infantry Number 5. Never executed Rickard Karstark Number 6. Should’ve kept Catelyn far away from his camp.

[@flavius5722]

All Robb needs to do is to go east to Harrenhall and crushed Tywin ( after he defeated Jaime ) He has 33k men vs Tywin 20k , and his men had much more experience because they fight in Robert's Rebelion while Tywin didn't, and they know the terrain far better ( the riverlords)

[@PalpatineIsAJew]

Yes but Tywin has Harrenhal which is a huge advantage and Tywin would get time to set up its defences its possible but even with more men the odds are still pretty balanced, his strategy was good he aimed to keep Tywin in the Riverlands so the one true king Stannis could take Kings Landing but Edmure mucked up the plan. He then makes an excellent strategy to retake the North and rid it of Ironborn scum however he is killed soon after. He thinks he needs the Freys men but I think he has more than enough to take out the Iron Islanders since they leave the castles with under 100 men, he should have gone North and Stannis is gonna arrive anyway to protect the Nights Watch, bends the knee to Stannis, who has unlimited gold from the Iron Bank, together I believe they defeat Jamie in the RIverlands, the Tyrell-Lannister alliance will crumble thanks to Cersei and Varys. Stannis can hire some sell swords and boost their numbers, I guess they could take out the Westerlands or retreat back North to prepare to face The Others and prepare the North. The problems would then be Aegon, who could win Dorne and Highgarden, and Euron Greyjoy and his absolute menacing plans and the the threat of Dany. Though there is a theory that Stannis accepts Targaryen restoration as inevitable and bends the knee to Aegon.

[@flavius5722]

@@PalpatineIsAJew First I don't think Tywin will hide out in the Harrenhall because he dosent have supplies according to Emmon Frey , the riverlords had burn the fields to starve his army , also that will make him look weak in front of his lords And even if he dig himself down in Harrenhall, than his entire army would be surrounded and powerles to protect anything, and will eventualy starve inside Second ,no Robb dosent bent the knee to Stannis, Stannis do not want a Targheryan restoration, etc This is a story about people who are seen as good or honorable by different pov , fight because of their contradictory views of what is right And we are în at the 5 out the seven book , and the others are still just a idea ,the only reason we still think of the is because we see them in the show , because the books had not really get there

[@PalpatineIsAJew]

@@flavius5722 I suppose but the Lannister’s were also building up a second army which could help break a siege, but yeah Robb could force them out before an army could get there. Stannis has already recognised the threat of the Others though.

[@flavius5722]

@@PalpatineIsAJew I dont think the second army will arrive , they were only peasents , they were easily defeated , would had need more months to train ,let alone to travel to the Riverlands and their castles

[@M.L.official]

I thought Robb had 20k and tywin 25-30?

[@diegobromfield]

3:00 I have literally been saying this same thing for years. So whoever told you that is right. Walder Frey, if you look at his character and history, no way in hell he would have backed Rob if the opponent is Tywin and the Lannisters. Also a bunch of Freys were literally Lannisters already too. This is why I have said that Rob's mistake was actually going to the wedding. Thats it. And tbh, if we just use basic common sense here... you met a girl's father, said you'd marry her without meeting her. Change your mind but decide to let another member/ lord of your family marry her instead... how tf does that condemn you as some disrespectful dude worthy of being slaughtered by the girl's dad? Clearly the girl's dad was never worth a damn if thats what he did.

[@M.L.official]

I think walder was an opportunist and got better backing by tywin. He and Roose are similar in that they just want their army in tact and to chill out. I honestly think if Robb fully dedicated himself to banging Roslin (and crucially, not losing the Karstarks), Walder wouldn't have betrayed him. I'm not sure if Walder knows about the Bolton's plans as well, I assume not, but it's like this, you have 20k odd soldiers on your doorstep. You have similar numbers, maybe more down south with the Lannisters. The vale is potentially going to be involved soon, wouldn't want to piss them off, things are a lot more uncertain and tywin can't promise him anything, he doesn't even have the biggest army. If you can get the vale into the fold, now you're cooking with uranium.

[@efrent-vr3bm]

Stannis the one true king and Azor Ahai reborn Great video boys!!!

[@OurHiltsHurt]

The one true savior

[@theIJPmexican]

I have had the "I seen that" thing in my head all week hahaha

[@OurHiltsHurt]

Its the deepest red flag in existence

[@charlescassels3826]

Instead of naming Robb, Stannis names Denrys and she dies in the Red Wastes or gets assasssinated in Qarth.

[@floridamann1109]

Before watching: K*ll Cat Align with Walder and his massive balls Make the bad man fly Sigma retention and tren cycle.

[@jooobyy]

Killing the wicked bitch of the North is too easy. Instant win. I think Robb plays for the love of the game and would want it to be interesting.

[@OurHiltsHurt]

The bad man must fly

[@rogueflintlock44]

​@@OurHiltsHurtBillions must fly.

[@floridamann1109]

​@@OurHiltsHurt after watching my thoughts remain the same. Flap those wings bad man

[@Hakar17]

Retention is a terrible thing for a medieval noble you need sons. To secure the claim to the throne not having them calls both your legitimacy and manhood into question. Having heirs is necessary to secure power and being virile (producing sons) makes you look like a G.

[@SerSerington]

What up, boys? It’s OJ. Lost my account & all my comments on all y’all’s videos. I’m devastated, this is the only actual “community” on YT I interact with & it’s fun having dialogue with you guys each week. I’m usually top 3 in likes with my comments so I’m sad to have lost all the ones on your old videos. Never to fear though, I’m just here to say, the North Remembers, & I’ll be coming back with a vengeance! Can’t wait for tomorrow’s video💪

[@OurHiltsHurt]

Welcome back lol

[@connors9597]

Only the giga chad that was promised, Karl Fucking Tanner of Gin Alley, could take out Craster in a key moment of weakness and compassion from the latter

[@verververververver]

Could you guys discuss what would happen if Renly lived and beat Stannis?

[@josephhh7597]

i think we all want a "How could sweet Robin sit on the iron throne" video asap

[@paulraines9635]

I'm pushing rope until that Craster video drops.

[@Big_JZ_77]

If he made an alliance with craster he could have had the whole night of crasters keep behind him. No need for the freys then

[@padawann930]

Love these videos. Very cool insights into the what if scenarios.

[@OurHiltsHurt]

Thanks man! What would you like to hear about, what-if wise?

[@padawann930]

@@OurHiltsHurt Well ive always been curious about what if Twyin took the throne before Robert arrived. Since his focus was on vengeance and bloodshed he probably wouldnt have cared. Or even what if Mance Rayder conquered the wall and went south to conquer the north with the Wilding army. Would make for some very cool videos.

[@jacksonperez5615]

Just wanted to say you guys rock. Great channel

[@OurHiltsHurt]

Hey thanks. What video do you want to see us make?

[@jacksonperez5615]

@@OurHiltsHurt I’ll watch anything at this point, however the meme is that craster video

[@ThoughtxAction2]

I swear this is the best GOT YT

[@vampirefrompluto9788]

3:26 At this point Arya would still be on the table too (she was promised to a Frey at the same time Robb was). Also if Robb wanted to keep his bastard around Jon Snow style he could probably work out a deal to take on more Freys as squires &/or marry some of his vassals to Freys. My point is that Robb keeping his vow will be pivotal to Walder Frey not betraying him.

[@hamzaorakzai3490]

Robb could become Azor Ahai with an army of 20 fully grown dragons on his side, he'd still have to grovel at the Late and Great Walder Frey's feet to help him in everything

[@vampirefrompluto9788]

6:40 If everything else stayed the same wouldn't Arya be meeting up with Robb soon after the wedding?

[@kalemboyle7930]

Walder Frey is such a gigachad and he actually showed mercy to the Starks if you ask me, it was Rob who betrayed him and I'm sad that Walder wasn't able to claim at least one more wolf pelt.

[@dylainnn]

My favorite youtubers rn

[@lepatate3457]

“How Robb Stark can STILL WIN the game of thrones”

[@calebmertens1824]

Love this channel. Do a video where Walder Frey sits the iron throne 😎

[@OurHiltsHurt]

Oh yeah. It’s in the plans. How do you think he could win?

[@TheCmascagni]

Good to have you boys back!

[@semtex234]

Balon could also be resurrected by the Night King and then killed for a 3rd time

[@juanningatlife]

The boys are back in town

[@OurHiltsHurt]

Hide your kids, hide your husbands

[@LiLxF310N]

Robb smashes but realizes his oath to Lord Frey is worth more than keeping the sanctity of his marriage bed and still plans on marrying a Frey. Although he feels immense guilt after abandoning Jeyne once he hears she’s with child. After taking Jaime and liberating Riverrun, he hears of the greyjoys in Winterfell and plans to go North again to secure it. Cat lets Jaime go and Robb sends Karstark after him to kill him seeing as Sansa is the only potential trade since Ned is confirmed dead and Arya is MIA. Cat is sent to White Harbor and Robb takes Blackfish north and pushes the greyjoys out. Blackfish helps secure the support of the Vale (Vale lords support Robb and are disgruntled with Lysa). Stannis shows up and together with Robb reinforces the Wall. Jon wins the support of the wildlings and together with Stannis, Robb, and the Blackfish, repel the Others with Jon being revealed as Azor Ahai (idk how this could be achieved but I like the idea of Jon plunging Longclaw into a wight Arya and fulfilling the prophecy in that way like someone else mentioned). Bran and Sam confirm Jon’s parentage to him and Robb. Robb legitimizes Jon as a Stark instead of a Targaryen and creates a pact with Stannis making Jon marry Shareen and be named heir in exchange for the North staying in the 7 kingdoms under Stannis as King. Stannis dies in the war to come against Dany+greyjoy+Dorne army but ultimately Jon sits the throne and legitimizes Robbs child with Jeyne and makes him his ward and eventual heir since shareen is likely infertile. Also in their version, Tywin lives initially since Jamie can’t free Tyrion, Tyrion is executed and after the war house Lannister is no more.

[@adamlewitt788]

I think how sweet Robben sits the thrown is with little finger as the hand.

[@roberttaltemuss2146]

One major flaw. Jamie's dead so Tyrion isn't freed/dies. Tywin's still alive. Longterm I think the Lannisters still lose but Tywin's going to make it a lot longer and harder fought.

[@taureansynner6993]

I absolutely love the impersonations of Ned, accurate lol

[@OurHiltsHurt]

Let us know how you think Robb could have won it all

[@floridamann1109]

There is no bigger advantage than the twins (Walder's massive grapefruits)

[@elgringogordo]

married one of crasters daughters and create a vanguard of women to marry every frey.

[@wrathsinful6389]

@@OurHiltsHurt Easy command Karen of The North to marry Little Finger as soon as she lets Jamie free. He gets the Vale, marries the Frey's, Stannis will do a team up and Jon probably marries Dany when she shows up after Brann reveals his parents. Probably

[@NielsMulvad]

Staying alive would be a great start.

[@TheCmascagni]

Name Sweet Robin is heir and successor and somehow get to Pycelle and it’s a lock.

[@hfabian17]

You guys are a hilarious. Can we get a biggest chads in got video please?

[@OurHiltsHurt]

We will definitely have a Chad ranking vid or something like it at some point haha

[@MacLeethal_87]

Hey guys, keep working good content based channel💪🏿

[@Courber99]

This Robb story line prove that disregarding your pupose and duties for love is a catastrophy. Only go for love that align within your purposes and values... 🤔🤨🤐Learn to love what good for you, and not what make you feel good (It work for people and food.) People think that feeling cant be control and we have to follow them regardless, its wrong we all have bad feeling and bad emotions but we dont excercises on them.😅🙃 And the frey girl was as pretty if not more prettier then Robb wife.

[@Hakar17]

Honestly he could have just married the Frey girl and kept the other girl around as a sidepiece. It's not like medieval kings didn't have mistresses all the damn time.

[@rcozm]

Best channel of all time

[@OurHiltsHurt]

We wish

[@blacksunday4231]

We need a "In defense of Maegor" video. The true Gigachad of the Targaryens.

[@PzY-Reviews]

Dunk wanted to throw lil walt down a well

[@nathanialblock8480]

The best solution is having rob be Stannis’ heir with no sons and his brothers dead he does need one so if you want to force the Stannis Rob bromance that’s the best in character way to do it

[@Ryanfinder226]

Personally I think Stannis at the wall is a Stannis who has realized he’s only going to get the throne if he earns it as no one respects his right to it. He may try to help Rob secure the north in an attempt potentially prove to Rob that the north can trust him as king and give up on independence.

[@roybrown4294]

The Frey Store called... they said your check bounced

[@jwall1646]

Balon dies twice. First Euron drowns him, then he stomps on his corpse as a sign of disrespect accidentally pumping the water out of Balons lungs, then Euron drowns him again while saying their house words.

[@Leaf_magne]

Justice for the craster video but whatever i'll watch this

[@OurHiltsHurt]

lol it’s coming. You must believe.

[@discobroccoli198]

It’s kind of ironic that you guys say that Catelyn has been nothing but a problem for Robb when almost everything that has gone wrong in Robb’s war campaign is because he didn’t listen to his mother. Yes, she freed Jamie, but that’s one thing compared to all the advice Catelyn gave Robb that he didn’t listen to, which ultimately got them killed and lost the war.

[@flavius5722]

She takes Tyrion prisoner , and than takes him to the vale instead of home ,she should 've let him alone or keep him as a prisoner She failed to negociate to her sister , she should stayed în the Vale until she gain support , if not at the Erye, than at Runstone She didnt negociate with Stannis at all She failed to negociate with Renly , she stayed one day ,and than she prefer to run back at Riverrun, because she is such a crying baby She didn't did anything from what Ned say when she last see him And Jaime as a prisoner would had been enough to avoid the red wedding , and she free him for what ? This was the same man who push Bran out the window, and she was so fool to trust him , not like he has any power to decide what happens to Sansa What exactly her mother say to him that was so important ?

[@discobroccoli198]

@@flavius5722 Oh yeah I forgot about the Tyrion thing. But she did warn Robb about Balon Greyjoy saying he isn’t trustworthy. He didn’t listen and it led to Winterfell being captured and Bran and Rickon going missing. She kept reminding him to keep his promise to Walder Frey and said that he’s a dangerous man to cross, yet Robb betrayed him and married Talisa anyway. She also told him not to execute Rickard Karstark, he did it anyway and they lost half their army.

[@flavius5722]

@@discobroccoli198 Yes but the thing with Baelon and Theon was Ned idea , and she told Robb only after they had a fight ,when he was less likely to accept And Rickard Karstark was a problem because she freed Jaime And Robb tell her to go back to Bran and Rickon, if she would had been with them ,they three would had gone to White Harbour not to Skagos or beyond the wall

[@tacoman736]

I told my girlfriend only ned and rob were really good guys, and she said rob wasn’t a good guy, he was an oath breaker

[@dutchmapper6314]

He would probably have become king of the Six kingdoms and King in the North as the best route. Making the North and the rest a personal union but making the lord's of the north basically on even foot as the wardens of six kingdoms.

[@donaldc9866]

This video was a great idea, one of your more interesting "what if's". Although if everything else happens the same way, I belive it ends with John on the iron thrown. Eventually Bran, the 3 Eyed Raven will return, but instead of telling the Stark sisters his true lineage. Now, we have Rob and Stannis learning that John is not only a Targaryen but the Targaryen. This may lead to Rob and Stannis battling or somthing.

[@ericsegura4977]

The people that think walder would have betrayed robb no matter what clearly missed the fact that walder spared Edmure at the red wedding and for good reason. You can be an absolute bastard in the GOT universe but absolutely NOTHING is considered worse than a kin slayer

[@markjrbessett6429]

I actually read a fanfiction where its about this very topic. Basically Robb goes south to meet with Renly instead of Catelyn. While he is there, he and Margaery sort of fall in love and after Renly dies she persuades the Lords of the Reach and Stormlands to fight for Robb.

[@christopherbataluk8148]

This is way more entertaining than seasons 6 through 8.

[@Uzair_Of_Babylon465]

Great video keep it up you're doing amazing things also could you make a video if Aegon 4th made daemon blackfyre his heir or anything to do with blackfyres winning any of the rebellions against the targaryen not sure which one Blackfyres most realistic won from all of the rebellions 👍😁

[@jaydayee]

What do you guys think would have happened if Tywin never died and remained the head of house Lannister?

[@JRMAV1]

Honestly, if Robb and Stannis came to an agreement, with Robb helping in win the throne for Northern independence, and Stannis agrees to throw the Red Woman into the sea. Stannis without the religious zealot side is a great choice for a king.

[@godemperorofmankind3.091]

Robb's goal was never to win the Iron Throne by conquest obviously. but if it had been, i think he would have tried harder to court some other houses. Maybe offered to marry Arianne Martell. she's the only real unwed option I can think of that's of a major house. If he doesnt' go for independence, he has no reason to offer Balon a crown. instead Robb would offer the potentially more enticing option of Balon being able to keep his plunder from taking KL and Lannisport. so Robb actually could have done better if he had different goals. he would be at odds with Stannis and Renly but he already pretty much was to begin with, so no changes there. Talisa probably never falls for Robb because she seemed pretty disillusioned by the war and people fighting over a big iron chair. A more ambitious Robb also would have set his sights alot higher. ultimately i think he still would have lost. but it would have certainly been interesting to see a house thats not blood related at all to Aegon I, trying to take over by conquest. And of course the consequences of Robb winning would mean any house that has a big enough army could come and take it from him, because hes already set that precedent.

[@OurHiltsHurt]

Yeah it’s a lot easier to do it when he’s not burdened by his oaths before going down to the Twins. But what if he made that oath to Walder how would he still get it?

[@coltonmarples4269]

Stannis dies as Azor Ahai killing the dragon queen and Rob becomes king since had the most giga chad story.

[@chrisaliss8510]

How craster could’ve won!

[@OurHiltsHurt]

We will make that video. How do you think he would though?

[@chrisaliss8510]

@@OurHiltsHurthe doesn’t lose his cool when dirk calls him a bastard and is more hospitable to the watchmen who come through his keep on their way back from the fist. He decides after hearing about the army of the dead that he and his wives will go back with Mormont to castle black. The rest of the series plays out the same. Craster sits out the battle of castle black etc. Finally the white walkers arrive at the wall and craster stands atop the wall staring down at them. He then proceeds to dump a trash can full of his male infants, and the white walkers thoroughly pleased, turn back to the lands of always winter. In a show of gratitude the people of the seven kingdoms welcome him as their king. He sends wave after wave of his wives to overwhelm Danys dragons until they’re totally swamped and killed. Then we get a final shot of Blood raven smiling. This was his plan all along.

[@noone-qe8zh]

Honestly some of the most consistently hilarious shit I have heard in a long time. Stick to your base with GoT for now, but people will follow your banter. Havent found a video I havent loved. Spreading the word like I would for Craster

[@charlietedora2446]

This is fantastic but when are we getting the how would Craster sit on the iron throne?

[@imjustdonn]

Gandalf's sword absorbs the lightning that he calls forth to strike the Balrog. Your LOTR knowledge saddens me greatly

[@OurHiltsHurt]

Unfortunately we only have time in our lives to deep dive into one fantasy universe... But we are big fans of Tolkien as well

[@imjustdonn]

@@OurHiltsHurt Fair enough 😂

[@TheCmascagni]

It was the dragons we bowed to and now the dragons are gone.