How Could you NERF JOKER!?

[@notregisteredname7393]

As a wise man known as introspective once said: To nerf him just delete him from the game

[@CowieXE]

well didnt the people pay for joker

[@ren5883]

Damn is joker that hated?

[@CowieXE]

@@ren5883 ya i like joker i thin hes ok

[@ren5883]

@Christopher TheGamer I am a joker main and I am sad about the community hating on joker

[@ren5883]

I mean min min fsmash is very stupid

[@shaplaflower]

Personally I’d avoid nerfing too much. I’d rather buff low tiers.

[@wifi1872]

Agreed

[@wifi1872]

@Wil E exactly. All nerfing does is make people drop characters. Possibly even the game, whereas buffs will make people play more with that character; and if it’s their main they will just play more in general.

[@ShinyMew76]

They need to fix mewtwo’s tail hurtbox and make it smaller

[@PrettyKoolCrocodile]

Agreed I want more K. Rool buffs if that's hard to ask for, if he's viable after such big changes then I'll shut up

[@chrispo7610]

@@PrettyKoolCrocodile k rool got one of the biggest buffs in ult with crown armor

[@Sprocket_777]

Nerfing his hurt box is actually perfect. That would be just enough in my opinion.

[@errrcc]

His hurtbox not even good tho 😂😂

[@Sprocket_777]

@@errrcc Kinda is though, his tumble animation specifically.

[@errrcc]

@@Sprocket_777 his tumble animation is good. But he’s easy to juggle according to Leo. His saving grace is down gun.

[@errrcc]

@@Sprocket_777 I just think buffing others is better for the smash community than nerfing.

[@Sprocket_777]

@@errrcc Juggle, sure. Throw combos are really awkward on him though. Overall, I agree that buffs are much better.

[@loghen01]

There are characters that need nerfs before Joker. I wish MkLeo picked up Pikachu so people bitched about nerfs with an actual reason.

[@bob-km4uq]

The meta is stagnant due to online, Mkleo is the only top player who played Joker, and Joker has already been nerfed while other characters have been getting buffed. What is the point of this video?

[@errrcc]

Fr fr. Couldn’t have said it better

[@sukmykrok3388]

Content

[@babidi1772]

Joker's too OP

[@N12015]

Not only MkLeo, Tsu, Zackray and Eim are also really good with Joker. Japanese meta is also important.

[@errrcc]

@@N12015 Zachary doesn’t main joker. He pockets him. But does not solo main. He hasn’t mastered the character like Leo where he can solo main

[@kevinsantiago3186]

Pikachu should be nerf instead.

[@shuunobotenzo1992]

Thank u that what I'm saying

[@geramoreno8458]

@Wil E that's like 3/4 of the cast

[@dumithegreat3892]

this mentality is why Smash Ultimate’s roster is bland af.

[@shuunobotenzo1992]

@@dumithegreat3892 One how. And two ur pfp match's what ur saying lol just found that funny

[@dorkasaurus_rex]

@Wil E like 80% of the cast has Pikachu as -2 or -3 my guy, that's a clear problem

[@bruhm0ment6000]

Everybody treating arsene like a god when he's literally a level 1 persona in his own game, wait till satanael joins the game smh.

[@geramoreno8458]

I think making him lighter is fair, he should be as light as ZSS or Bayonetta because of his small hurtbox, that would also make it harder to get arden more than once a game and would only reward a good player that is able to live for that long

[@alexandremenino2006]

-more end lag on all aerials (3-4 frames or enogh for up air draig down grab not work) -up air no longer kills -dash attack doesnt hit oponent if they failed a tech -up b cant snap the ledge if used higher or at the same height as the ledge and has more lag between snaping the ledge and pulling joker up -a bit slower initial dash -higher hurtbox when running then they say nerfing is hard

[@matthewxboxboyo9079]

Why nerf tho when you can buff characters that have a hard time beating him

[@wifi1872]

Yeah, just keep going the direction they’ve been going with patches, buffs make the game way more fun.

[@cjlite0210]

Steve nerfed everyone

[@jasonmelanconjm]

@@cjlite0210 Steve is so easy to beat and boring to fight/watch

[@cjlite0210]

@@jasonmelanconjm then I guess nothing excites you

[@gabebarnes6814]

Make Arsene meter only fill by landing attacks or using Rebel's Guard. No longer by getting hit normally. And holding Rebel's Guard could actually very slowly drain his Arsene meter away if he holds it for too long while not taking damage, meaning you would have to properly time Rebel's Guard into hits rather than mindlessly spam it.

[@thezagger7692]

I see why joker may need a nerf, but why focus on him with peach and pika still being even more broken

[@PrettyKoolCrocodile]

Peach is fine because she's hard to play optimally but Pika I 100% agree

[@thezagger7692]

@@PrettyKoolCrocodile pk got buffed in the last patch lol

[@thezagger7692]

*pika

[@PrettyKoolCrocodile]

@@thezagger7692 Yeah I know but I'm meaning actually bringing the Nerf Gun on the rat for a future patch -that wasn't disappointing 9.0.0-

[@kalextsunade1925]

Peach? She has some nerf that affected her but pikachu... he needs a larger hurtbox

[@雨-m5s]

"Joker is a character with no weaknesses" Bad out of shield and bad arsene recovery: are we a joke to you

[@xpluslegend1525]

exactly everyone thinks hes broken :/ hes not

[@wifi1872]

Even the tether is pretty susceptible to getting hit out of it, as long as you’re opponent can pick up on your timing. I have to explain all the time that he’s not as crazy as people think he is because of these things, pressure heavy opponents are very hard to deal with. It’s not as easy as mkleo makes it look

[@sleepyg5691]

Bad arsene recovery?

[@jaylonlawson4321]

He doesn’t have a bad arsene recovery. And his bad out of shield options may be the only weakness of you can count that. He is good at everything

[@雨-m5s]

Of course he's not. People telling that he's stronger than melee Fox or Sm4sh Bayonetta just make me laugh

[@casablancahunter1606]

Looking at this now, I think we were all wrong for hating Joker. He's actually a very balanced character despite having Arsene.

[@LuminixsGameGallery]

8:00 REALLY thought they were gonna mention ALL PITS MULTIHITS.

[@LuminixsGameGallery]

Also, my nerf Idea would have Arsene only stay out for 20 seconds at a time and make the meter only increase when Joker DEALS 50% damage and disappear after joker has TAKEN 40%. This would not change the timer.

[@dorkasaurus_rex]

Nerf Arsene dash attack strength and counter size/strength, and make Eigha SLIGHTLY worse in some minor way, either in overall damage, priority, or just how fast it starts up. That would be totally fine to me and he would still be solidly top 3 or top 5.

[@Lira_orpheus]

I'm okay leaving Joker alone, but I wouldn't complain for nerfing Tetrakarm's hitbox. But I feel he is a healthier character than even Smash 4 ZSS or Sheik. I think he is bad enough.

[@pizzaemperor3553]

I don't think he needs a nerf. Instead, I would say he needs a redesign so Arsene isn't such a dam crutch. Buff regular Joker a bit while nerfing Arsene

[@shaplaflower]

I assume you mean clutch?

[@shaplaflower]

Oh wait I’m dumb

[@wifi1872]

Honestly base joker is already really good, I think his combo game in base is straight schnasty, one of my favorite characters to get combo’d by other than sheik bc it looks so cool. A slight nerf on Arsens power and/or knock back would be best.

[@YallGonMakeMe245]

Base joker is not that bad to fight, it’s just when arsene comes out you get slaughtered by a comboing to killing character that has strong projectiles to keep the enemy away if he doesn’t feel like fighting

[@shuunobotenzo1992]

Bruh that takes away the whole purpose. She just said this in the video

[@personontheinternet2760]

They should only nerf his counter (with arsene) since it’s kinda broken. It has such little endlag which is kind op for a counter in my opinion

[@jasonmelanconjm]

Yeah that’s all I would change too if anything. But I would only have off like 2-3 frames

[@pbz7572]

Tbh, I only have beef with the Makarakan hitbox and the Eigon hitbox

[@dorkasaurus_rex]

Also dash attack but yeah Eiga is just way too oppressive for no risk basically

[@stans8697]

I would never nerf joker i feel he is very balanced oh wait you can see my profile pic

[@shuunobotenzo1992]

Don't worry ur not alone lol

[@jasonmelanconjm]

He really is pretty balanced to me. I’m no game designer but I don’t see any reason for a nerf. Both playing against or as Joker

[@joe727]

I don’t think he is op. Although he’s 1 of the best characters in the game I still think he is very balanced. Joker is basically a jack of all trades character. Does joker have a really good recovery? No. He has no horizontal recovery and no mixups off-stage. With arsene 2 framing becomes easier but edge guarding is harder. Does he have the best comeback macanic? No. Lucarios aura is way more op than arsene. And that lasts infinitely until he dies. Arsene is very inconsistent and can screw over joker in many situations. Joker also has to take around 80% before he can use arsene. And even if he uses down b, it will never kill and he takes half damage, as well as it’s a very punishable move. Landing options, anybody with a teleport can land better than joker or characters with a down air that brings u down such as sonic or sheik. Down b is a pathetic landing option. Literally up air joker from the side. Even little Mac can up air joker on the side. I think you get the point, but joker is fine the way he is. He does everything really well but doesn’t excel at anything. I personally think he is fine the way he is. It’s not like he is meta knight in brawl or bayonetta in sm4sh. There is still no agreed on best character in the game

[@xpluslegend1525]

yea I can confirm this

[@hugeculo]

He needs to receive around 60% for the first Arsene, because he always starts with 30% gauge on each new stock. Removing that would be a correct nerf

[@N12015]

Joker has the best something though, he has the best disadvantage state in the game. Rebel Guard is just absurd as a combo breaker while filling his Arsene meter.

[@Rexis102]

You disproved yourself in your first sentences but go on I guess

[@lostintimelucina7775]

I would personally Nerf the amount of time he can hold rebelGuard

[@PrettyKoolCrocodile]

Agreed, there are many times I think I can read him going for it, but the endlag is so miniscule he can go for another one and I lose my smallest chance

[@violetshadowstone5250]

Isn't rebel guard the move that charges his persona? Considering it only charges a pittance nerfing that would be stupid. You might as well just remove him from the game.

[@pubertdefrog]

I'm sorry but that counter hitbox is too big, it's like a wall

[@LADYLXCK]

I'm saying!!

[@pubertdefrog]

@@LADYLXCK commented before I watched the video, sorry about that

[@jokah1132]

I wouldn’t nerf him, never

[@PrettyKoolCrocodile]

Not trying to be offensive but, I'd say make his hurtbox bigger when tumbling, give Down Special more endlag + make the successful Arsene version have a significantly smaller hitbox, Neutral Special bullets being reflectable projectiles rather than unreflectable massive disjoints (possible, not necessarily a redesign), decently increasing the threshold to acivate Arsene (seriously, that one patch didn't count) and Back Air reducing range and knockback I guess. Those are my ways of making him more balanced without taking away most of what's good he has.

[@dman2077]

I like that name: `The Cheese Burger Buff` 🤣🤣🤣

[@LADYLXCK]

Thank you, came up with it myself 😜✨

[@jeremydoody]

I think counters just need to be nerfed across the board. Make every counter have a 1x multiplier, and you solve a lot of issues, not just with Joker.

[@mikeymango8668]

How to nerf joker: Delete Arsene

[@nvmb6451]

YES

[@xpluslegend1525]

@@nvmb6451 ok first Joker would be the worst character in the game, not only that but struggles to get kills without arsene. So if he didnt even have arsene he would be a pointless character. Even though little mac is bad he still is a balanced character

[@雨-m5s]

The problem is not arsene. Joker is still pretty good without it. If you want to delete him I just wanna say... maybe learn the matchup

[@xpluslegend1525]

@@雨-m5s agree

[@violetshadowstone5250]

@@雨-m5s Deleting the persona, the iconic power from the persona user is like taking cloud's sword and hair away and saying "maybe learn the matchup." You idiots

[@MutantBurglar]

He’s really good but he’s balanced. I think the only thing in this game that needs a nerf is Pikachu’s pancake bs

[@dorkasaurus_rex]

And Pikachu side b

[@MistrMe]

That's easy, make arsene shorter/harder to get Also make his down Bs worse

[@echomurata8654]

still wont make a difference. he still can combo and edgeguard.

[@errrcc]

@@echomurata8654 😂😂 his combo game not that good especially online. All good players know how to di his combos now

[@gabrieljcruzd7]

nah, weight nerf = less arsenes = hes more even w the rest of the top tiers

[@statrunner]

Remove the lefobble and MAYBE shorten joker's tether recovery Otherwise buff low tiers

[@oveia4671]

Well one tiny thing that could really nerf him is that Dash Animation, if he stood up that would be a big Nerf, maybe a Nerf to his kill power even more, so he NEEDS Arsene to kill, otherwise he has like... Shiek kill power, but that might be too much.

[@LS-td4yf]

But why, why would you do that?

[@YallGonMakeMe245]

Cuz he is just a better sheik in most ways, a character shouldn’t fundamentally be the same but be better than another character, so some changes to align him up with sheik should suffice

[@drakenstarcross1347]

Because ARSENSE

[@drakenstarcross1347]

@@YallGonMakeMe245 hes smash four cloud with a counter and better "projectiles"

[@YallGonMakeMe245]

@@drakenstarcross1347 and with Arsene, his everything hits like a heavy, with the frame data of sheik

[@xpluslegend1525]

@@YallGonMakeMe245 dude hes not broken

[@user-pi4ly6gr5f]

why nerf joker and not palutena zss pikachu peach or wario huh tell me

[@teaguenstanczak1711]

I'm still just so happy that P5 music is in the game

[@ultragamer8816]

I almost beat MKleo but he rage quited

[@timmtimm9729]

the way to nerf joker is t buff lower tiers that have a meh matchup against him making more counterplay and buffing lower-tiered characters

[@Rexis102]

Ganondorf and Little Mac are the two worst characters in the game. Nintendo has been very clear that they won’t buff the low tiers. Only mid-high tiers. That’s why I dropped Smash. I loved using Ganondorf but he’s just so useless. Hoping for a patch that will never come is a waste. I’m just irritated how much time and money I wasted on this game

[@henrychandler166]

Let's be honest Nintendo is not going to buff every character to be top teir, so might as well nurf the top tiers

[@StarGamerX17]

Joker better not be nerfed i main him so i would Not like that.

[@StarGamerX17]

@@omarrashid99 ayy les go!

[@StarGamerX17]

Ma Lord I do have discord, and sure why not I’m down I’m not a pro though lol

[@StarGamerX17]

@@omarrashid99 I'm down to play sometime. At the moment I've been playing a lot of Pokemon Shield and Super Mario 64.

[@seanjung8578]

He shouldn't be nerfed cuz u main him? Seriously

[@StarGamerX17]

@@seanjung8578 yes. I'm not the only one

[@maxtieger3342]

Rebels Guard shouldn't allow joker to be able to get persona faster. Example: 1 Incineroar toward smash hitting joker while using rebels guard gives him Arsen instantly. Joker should only be able to get Arsen from getting hit enough times. But, that's just my opinion

[@jaylonlawson4321]

Do Palutena next

[@josephorelien3192]

I would delete the whole character! Then add him back in once person 5 comes to switch. Look no character should come to smash without gracing us with a mainline title man!

[@jasonmelanconjm]

It’s not likely it’ll be coming to switch if it hasn’t already

[@colbyoconnor1335]

What happens to Joker at 9:20? It looks like he teleports offstage

[@hgjnh3710]

Well, Joker is one of those characters that is top tier but it's hard to play, execution wise he's hard. I could say that reworking how Arsene works that when he deals damage he gains meter, but that may influence his top tier status Idk, he's meh online, his advantage state is pure reaction, so online he is extremely boring and predictable

[@Aidenrockz999]

he was already nerfed. how about nerf characters who are way overturned who haven’t been touched since launch.

[@Litttlepersonhi]

The characters in top tier aren't too broken so I don't think nerfing them is necessary. I would rather have buffs to lower tier characters than nerfs to higher tier characters.

[@justicetaylor3050]

Hard nerf his Arsin meter build up while he has a stock lead, like a debuff version of Lucario. Make come backs against him way easier so he doesn't chug out 3 arsins while you're on your last stock.

[@justicetaylor3050]

No seriously! Who else steam rolls as hard as Joker? Does he even need that?

[@Letmesoloem0]

@@justicetaylor3050 yes because Leo is only top joker showing people he not as op as yah think

[@thewhiteromantic6355]

I don’t think joker should get nerfed I feel they just need to buff lower tier characters since a thing that would make ultimate even better would be having more mid tier characters rather than trash characters or low tiers

[@danielip7154]

Remove morgana in his taunts

[@LADYLXCK]

Lmao the nerf we need 😂

[@gio9255]

Joker only needs one nerf: -Make Arsene part of his hitbox when activated. He would be placed in the same situation as Mewtwo. Great mobility and kill power but a much larger hurtbox that can lead to unfortunate combos on them and even worse endurance.

[@bobert221]

How would you make his shield cover Arsène though? Mewtwo's shield still covers his whole hurtbox. Wouldn't we end with a Melee Game & Watch scenario?

[@wifi1872]

@@bobert221 I was literally just typing that lmfao

[@bobert221]

@@wifi1872 oh sorry lol

[@matheuslopez578]

In Persona Animes, the Personas can be attacked. And in the games, the persona you're using at a determined moment determines your actual attribute's weaknesses or strengths. I don't know why it doesn't have a hurtbox here. (And I don't mind either cause I use Joker. Just saying)

[@bobert221]

@@matheuslopez578 yeah I main Joker so I wouldn't mind either but back when he was showcased for the first time a friend who was into Persona told me it made no sense that Arsène was intangible at all times. Weird decision

[@erronn.]

kirby says: joker is the closest to a jojo charater

[@Dublangi]

How to nerf joker: 1. Give him end lag 🙂 2. Give him a hurtbox 🙂

[@alphaaether597]

I would say nerf Arsene and buff base Joker. I would also get rid of the meter he gets at the beginning of each new stock.

[@animated855]

No weaknesses: get off of me options, recovery, kill power, range, low damaging combos on correct di, no out of shield options, and having to land with all of his gud moves

[@andrewnguyen145]

get off me options? you need to check if you have a brain. none of his moves connect

[@cjlite0210]

I would add a few extra frames of end lag to both versions of his Side B to discourages idiots online for spamming it SERIOUSLY, USE ANYTHING OTHER THAN THAT STUPID CURSE!

[@theancientgamer602]

I can agree with that and same with ness too

[@dbrothershow]

eiha is already laggy has hell, if you cant punish it thats your're fault same goes fror ness's

[@bobert221]

Give him a limited amount of ammo for neutral special just like he only has so much at the start of every fight in Royal

[@wifi1872]

It’s the same in base p5 lmao that’s not royal exclusive

[@wifi1872]

Good idea none the less

[@bobert221]

@@wifi1872 yeah I specified Royal bc in base P5 it would make so he only has a limited amount every time you boot up the game or something lol

[@nvmb6451]

luckily, in the next smash they're cutting the character count in half which may not seem that much but that's still 40 characters lol

[@mysticmoo1284]

How do u know?

[@TR_Emp]

Kinda sad. I’m gonna miss a ton of characters

[@dbgr9875]

It's wierd, Ultimate's my first game and my favorite game of all time, but I'm already ready for a new game.

[@shaplaflower]

Mate there is not gonna be a new smash game.

[@mikeymango8668]

@Sean K 😂😂

[@reine4641]

What about nerfing the tether a bit? It would restrict joker's recovery and this would limit the gimping potential because going off stage and safely recovering would become a weakness that could be exploited(like Cloud's non-limit climhazard, granted this is an extreme example). And yes, please make counter smaller. Its broken enough being able reflect any attack other than grab.

[@Letmesoloem0]

Lol Nerf his already exploitable tether 8 think not

[@xpluslegend1525]

Don't nerf Joker pls

[@benfrostproductions8096]

Honestly, I feel Nintendo's philosophy of buff not nerf has been healthier for the game. Ultimate is surprising well balanced for a roster of its size, especially compared to melee-smash 4 where there were meta dominating characters and completely unusable characters. While Joker, Palutena, Pikachu and other top tiers are good, they aren't bayonetta or meta knight broken. Bringing other characters up through buffs allow more characters get spotlight and develop new plays making it more interesting to watch. Removing strengths remove things that can make a character fun to watch.

[@lemb8942]

I would change the down b because he can arsenal faster

[@sukmykrok3388]

I'd do exactly what Nairo would do. I'd nerf Joker by LEARNING THE MATCH UP. NO JOHNS

[@brutal_lui]

He's ok the way he is now, but the hitbox and maybe a Nerf to his recovery

[@g0ddish434]

How to ruin Joker: Remove Arsene, give him.a horrible f-smash(like Snake or Shiek), Horrible dash attack, and a back air. Better option: Get gud

[@theonetrueedgelord3596]

Joker should only get arsene from down b and not from being hit and he gets more arsane from using down b.

[@Captain-Refried]

I don’t think they’ll really need Joker due to that the Announcer voices Joker

[@Brandon_4272]

Nah Don't nerf the best character in the game. Just buff ppl like Pichu, Luigi, Kirby, Diddy Kong, Lucario, K Rool, Dedede, and more

[@PrettyKoolCrocodile]

Agreed

[@Rexis102]

Make him as light as Sheik. That’s it

[@MrGameguyC]

How to nerf Joker: 1: Buff Doc, Ganon, and Mac. Done.

[@PrettyKoolCrocodile]

Genius but buffing those characters would require exchange nerfs, making them better at what they are already good at without some decent tonedowns will just make them more infuriating to fight.

[@jorgeabaezp9365]

Imma get the simp tag prolly but that girl is beautiful

[@franciscoms1415]

Ez change his persona into pixie

[@LetshaveMotion]

How can I teach lower elo players to get better on proguides?

[@AkiroZenshin25]

There is already a way: Online

[@literallydeadpool]

Just make arsene slightly less effective edit: when it comes to damage and hitboxes buffs

[@kuirkiz]

Honestly I think he's fine its what makes him unique as a character even if he has a low profile. I just think he shouldn't be awarded such massive meter gain after being clapped on the whole game and then congratulations you just unlocked Arsene. There's already rage in the game so why does he need 2 comeback mechanics? And 2-3 hits with Ganondorf and he has access to Arsene and that's without the charge just taking damage normally.

[@andypeoples7175]

Yeah, I think buffing the lower characters is the right play here

[@theAlex3041]

If I were a smash developer, I'd nerf him so much that he'd become a bottom tier and I'd buff low and bottom tiers just to add a bit of disrespect

[@yemree13]

PLEASE UPLOAD VIDEOS I MISS THEM

[@ahmadkazan7994]

Maybe make arsene weaker? You can't really nerf much about ghim,he requires quit the skills to play.

[@Ray-xd9oy]

I feel like joker doesn't need buffs or nerfs anymore except for his counter range, his pretty easy to beat since most joker players are predictable.

[@GamerGamerGamer77777]

unless you are in a flat stage then joker can just spam attack

[@mysticsquirtle5109]

As a joker main, I will say, playing basic is bad. Marss won genesis by thinking of Leo’s best option instead of his own, while Prodigy beat Leo at frostbite by having non-stop pressure, Nairo beat him at mainstage because he learned “Leo keeps punishing me for this, but he also keeps beating me in this aspect, so I need to change so that I can at least match him in both of those”, while Samsora won shine by abusing Jokers disadvantages and turning them into Peach’s advantages, like turnips, nair and dair to cover recoveries, and quick aerials on stage to pressure. I find that Joker is such a good character, that against a good player, you need to know everything about the game in the moment, or you need to know your opponent. It’s not about mixups or using your character, it’s about getting something out of those mixups, and adapting to how your character can win.

[@ultragamer8816]

Finally it’s here!

[@saulcaneloalvarez7524]

Joker is fine compared to other moves in ultimate. Like zeldas up b, or rob in general.

[@TheMasterBlaze]

How would I nerf Joker? I wouldn't. There isn't much you can nerf about him that doesn't ruin an aspect about him and make him feel disjointed and limit his combo tree or his kill confirms.

[@Bomberman204]

I'm not really for nurfing characters, especially in the first year or so of the meta. By continuing to nerf characters you'll only weaken the player base, not labbing the matchups to find a way to beat each top tier. No one has a chance to grow as a player, I think Nintendo has done a decent job of just adding slight buffs and only nurfing what was not intended to be in the game for the most part... I do think it's funny that they basically neutered Cloud's Limit (and Nair) for a healthy balance... but then release a character with an even better Limit mechanic 🤣 I'm just glad I can use Cloud as a fan of his series without being shunned for his brokenness lol.

[@papertoad456]

Honestly, his combos are super easy and nearly impossible to punish

[@_Koyomi_]

Make his Fair 1 do more knockback to nix its kill confirms into a drag down Smash attack if you really want to ruin him

[@ZTLGsmashultimate436]

Nerf his side special to were it isn't as spammable.

[@JonYaBoii]

I still think that Joker is such a pain in the ass to deal with. He has to many strong utilities and basically no weaknesses at all. I don't understand how he still hasn't receive any nerfs in his actual moves (yes I know Arsene uptime is just a bit shorter, but that's about it)

[@errrcc]

Guns too got nerfed. If he’s so broken where are the other top players with joker?? Leo is only one

[@dorkasaurus_rex]

@@errrcc joker isn't that good online, but that doesn't his counter, Eigon and Dash attack aren't a bit odee

[@darksyde0418]

Don't, he's already a bad character

[@Wulf_YT]

Lol

[@henrychandler166]

Lies

[@dorkasaurus_rex]

Joker main propaganda

[@seanjung8578]

Can't tell of this is bait

[@Croustibate]

How to nerf joker : delete all his move Need nerf joker? No

[@desh206]

DELETE GUN also do pikachu nexst

[@jorgeabaezp9365]

Nah! Joker's indeed balanced. His out of shield game is not that good, the arsene recovery can be exploited and overall execution of his combo game is not as easy as it seems so no one will get carried by the character unlike bayo carrying players in sm4sh. I'd only gut the counter by decreasing the counter attack range and adding some end lag and take 3 secs off of arsene

[@marcuswilkerson1239]

Corona virus nerfed him plenty smh

[@MsMinay]

I feel like nerfing Arsene is the best. Normal joker is probably high tier and can be beaten, but Arsene is way too powerful.

[@theriddler5]

Dont nerf Joker. Nerf Leo. But you should make a video for pikachu instead. If anyone needs a nerf its pika

[@QaptainSlander]

I feel like Joker requires no nurse because he's not broken my ball Mennonite or Bayonetta he just has a very good character design another character that I think has a very good character design and it shows is Pikachu think about it Pikachu worst appearance was in melee and he was good in that game Mario is also another example of good character design for the most part he's being good in every non brawl smash game and I feel like Joker if placed in melee 64 brawl or bayonet is meta he would be still a contender for top character or at minimum a hi tier so no I don't think he needs nurse I think they are just people who need to learn the matchup also if you were crying for Joker to be banned I believe you should be banned and no I do not Main Joker I play banjo

[@d3migodelite175]

keep him as is and buff him, aswell as other characters

[@oliverbrookeirl]

As a Joker main, please don’t give Nintendo any weird ideas.... we’ve already been nerfed enough