How Counterfeit Rolexes Actually Work | How Crime Works | Insider

[@Insider]

As we were preparing to publish this video, a representative from Customs and Border Protection wrote in an email: "Trade in counterfeit and pirated goods threatens America's innovation economy, the competitiveness of our businesses, the livelihoods of U.S. workers, and, in some cases, national security and the health and safety of consumers. CBP targets and seizes imports of counterfeit and pirated goods, and enforces exclusion orders on patent-infringing and other IPR violative goods. CBP's interdiction efforts begin well before a conveyance or shipment arrives at a port. Advance electronic shipping information, actionable intelligence, and information sharing partnerships are critical components that enable us to quickly identify, target, and deter the entry of counterfeit and dangerous goods, including illicit drugs, in all operational environments. Advance information is a critical and effective component of CBP's targeting and interdiction efforts."

[@ststst981]

It threatens the corporations' and shareholders' insanely huge profits, not the workers

[@terence7009]

yet they allow temu to exist. temu has an office in boston, and facilitates the sale of counterfeit goods by the millions and absolutely nothing is done about it.

[@TheBusyJane]

Ah, yes. The American innovation of Swiss watches, Italian bags, Electronics made in China, and clothing made in Bangladesh.

[@andrewgarcia3136]

You guys didn't vet this information at all

[@Dontworry1]

Tell them to do their jobs. I went to NYC last month and you can walk up and down time squares and see several guys with large suitcases full of fake purses, hand bags and sunglasses all with the big brands logos. They lay it all on a blanket and try to sell them as the real stuff. Lots of times it will be 3-4 ppl next to each other selling. Cops just a few feet away not doing anything.

[@PedroLeodis]

"If you're seeing words like 'replica' or 'clone', then you're probably looking at counterfeit." Damn, this guys good.

[@almatt8310]

He's extremely intelligent. Nothing could escape him.

[@imakelonelinessworkforme9120]

@@almatt8310ikr! I’d have never thought of that, thank god I watched this vid so I don’t fall victim in future.

[@SlightReturn666]

Ya, thanks Captain Obvious. And what's with the necklace? ... yikes

[@Mars-77]

If they advertise as a clone, there's no broken law.

[@austinwinston684]

Sharp as a f****** cue ball this one

[@cinilaknedalm]

When a guy with a chest medallion tells you buying luxurious watches instead of fakes prevents human trafficking, you naturally believe him

[@DonaldMeyers-v8c]

Bahahaha..... truth

[@williamlangeii4012]

Lmao!!😂😂

[@Solo-Anarchist]

He chose his words wisely.. he said there's plenty of "stories" about fake watches being tied to child labor and human trafficking.....but didn't mention any actual cases of it happening. I also like how he was wearing a fake Rolex in high school..so either he/his father stole fake watches during their investigations, or they bought it and are therefore part of the problem.

[@mikej5959]

He’s also getting a lot of watch lingo wrong. His explanation of the gray market is not completely accurate nor does it tell the whole story of it.

[@jaylow759]

4:35 and then he goes buying "samples" all over the World, supporting human trafficking and child labor ;)

[@shreyasr1989]

If sweat shops and child labor is a concern then real Nike and Apple should also fall in same category

[@liamswan5764]

The truth.

[@dv7768]

Yeah it is only about western companies not able to maximize their profits.

[@irkedcs]

Right, I'd be pretty willing to assume that a majority of people making counterfeit goods are not also involved in human trafficking. Gotta justify their actions in the name of capitalism somehow.

[@Fridelain]

And just about every other major brand.

[@ultimatedouchebag6760]

It should be a crime for rolex charging people thousands for watches are few hundred dollar to make.

[@Andromahlius]

That interview is a serious hit to the credibility of Insider.

[@jaychen8823]

@insider seriously, delete this video. Your editor should be ashamed for vetting this 'investigator'.

[@Nathanielcameron]

So then why are you here boss? My only theory is you & @jaychen8823 are in the industry which by checking yall out seems very credible. You idiots arent fooling anyone.

[@ivoshandor6859]

@@Nathanielcameronthey sure just fooled you.

[@ScreaminEmu]

They had credibility? It’s all clickbait and ads, what are you talking about?

[@binkleyme]

They're called "Super Clones" not "Epic Fakes" And the grey market isn't watches that fell off of a truck. It's mostly pre-owned watches sold by non-authorized dealers. Some even in brand new condition because someone bought directly from Rolex and went to sell it to a grey market dealer for a profit. What kind of "expert" is this?

[@WindowsXP-SP3]

He is clearly not a watch person. He has no idea what he is talking about

[@andrewgarcia3136]

Not a watch person and not a good investigator either

[@stephenboykin4958]

I’ve been in to watchs for about three years and I already know more about fakes than this guy. He is so misinformed. That chain he’s wearing is ridiculous. It probably fake.

[@vintageexcellence]

😂😂😂😂😂😂 these comments, yeah I hear super clone & exact copy when I’m in Asia.

[@ijustwantedtocommentbutnow526]

To give him the benefit of the doubt, he did say terminology constantly changes to avoid detection. And that his undercover need to look like fools to actually get a fake. If he seemed like he knew too much a dealer might be hesitant to sell to him. He might be using old terminology on purpose or is using the terminology most prevalent 10-20 years ago. "Epic Fakes" definitely sounds like slang people in the early 2000s would use. The word epic was literally used everywhere. Slang also is different in each state

[@grahamsquared]

Insider: Are you a counterfeit watch expert? Dude: Yes, I have been on Aliexpress. Insider: Come on in!

[@DonHavjuan]

HE is a counterfeit expert. Not a real expert.

[@ALT-vz3jn]

@@DonHavjuanlmaooo 😂😂

[@linds6609]

'Just the crown on the face, not the dial' in the first minute of him talking got me 😂

[@michaelk7007]

I think the person in this interview is a counterfeit investigator. He seems to be struggling with basic terminology with watches alone.

[@user-eq5ub5rs3g]

Ye that was my thought, he obviously has bias since he works for the big brands, the grey market stuff he mentioned was just complete nonsense

[@CLGaming874]

The watch he was reviewing in the video is a fake IMO lol

[@rlkinnard]

@@CLGaming874 what gives it away? why do you think so?

[@willrestaino9282]

He’s a investigator not a watch expert he is not spot on on most things

[@genericsomething]

I'm a watch enthusiast, and I noticed the same thing. The rest of his story also sounds rather fantastic.

[@wiskybiz]

"The only thing worse than a fake Rolex, is a real one." - Jeremy Clarkson

[@1marcelfilms]

Yeah also if you spend the money on a real one everyone will think its fake anyway.

[@ALT-vz3jn]

@@1marcelfilmsA lot of people get them as heirloom pieces from their parents... Everyone I knew that wore a Rolex had a hand-me-down from their dad.

[@zeroceiling]

There are many great sayings….this one isn’t among them.

[@kcgunesq]

As every Omega man believes!

[@mypalfootfoot9591]

@@kcgunesq Knows

[@tonkaty]

Where did Business Insider find this guy, 2 minutes in and I'm amazed at the amount of misinformation.

[@tonkaty]

Watched another 5 minutes, holy moly. This is laughable

[@kcnmsepognln]

My BS detector was going haywire. It's like he googled "fake rolex" 10 minutes before he was interviewed, so he could drop a couple of buzzwords. And trying to pass-off basic common sense as CIA-level spycraft? 🤣 Walter Mitty for sure.

[@Benzo1818]

Thank you…this is ridiculous

[@transsexual_computer_faery]

oh so it's fake.. well, it fooled me

[@JKHTX]

He's a counterfeit informant?

[@josenunez4884]

How come, after so many years in the industry, he doesn’t know the “face” of the watch is called DIAL ?????

[@GetGwapThisYear]

For real. Ain’t no way he does that job and thinks a crown is called a dial. Surprised he didn’t call it a knob.

[@Solo-Anarchist]

"If you're seeing words like replica, clone, dupe, 1:1...you're probably looking at a counterfeit " Wow, I'm glad this guys on the case 😂

[@adslf874yti3q7u4hf83]

TIL that Louis Vuitton is a big watch brand, and that Super Clones are called Epic Fakes all within the first 90 seconds of the video. Where did you find this guy? Grey Market watches are refused to service? lol, like you can't just say "I bought that on a trip to ". A watch is a watch and they can be serviced by any decent watchmaker/jeweler. "You need a magnifying glass to tell if it's a clone" and then confidently announces a watch as genuine using his naked eye.

[@ccoder4953]

And from what I've seen of the super clones, even if you have a magnifier you really can't tell. Maybe if you are extremely experienced or have a genuine one to compare directly to, but not even 100% sure then. But otherwise, the quality of a good super clone can be so impeccable, the average person won't be able to tell, even with magnification.

[@ionlawrence4401]

Most clones needs to be opened to see if they are real. There are legit brands making Rolex designs with their own branding(Steelfish, San Martin, etc) that matches the Rolex build quality and specs on everything but the movement. The difference is that these brands charge $2-400. A good "fake" has all the properties of a Rolex, but it´s just not made by them. Just like the cost of an LV bag is $20. LV really is making good watches, but they are not a watch brand, and isn´t gonna be counted as such.

[@JS-cg3ir]

This guy knows nothing. There are many contradictions and falsehoods.

[@ilijamatanovic4720]

@@ccoder4953 I just recently came back from China, from Shenzhen, went to a fake market (that sells every type of goods, all fakes) and I've seen Sub clones that go for 60 bucks (after a little bargaining) that are impossible to discern from an original. It has a shitty Chinese caliber inside and the lume is weak, but an average person would never in a million years think it was a fake. This dude is a dunce and seems to know next to nothing about watches, but he might be a god PI

[@dimplesd8931]

I use to take my watches to the authorized dealer for servicing but over the lifetime of the piece that’s more than the watch costs… $200 for a battery!? Did that for a few years till a service tech in Tiffany told me to take my watches to the “watch repair” in the big department store in the same mall. She said, this battery regardless of brand costs $10 and the BS about it only being opened by that brand is to make money. Fast forward 25yrs , Patek, Tiffany, Baumé&Mercier, A.Piguet all go to a local guy who works on my pieces in front of me in a shitty strip mall. He charges 1/10 the price. I’ve gone to him so long that he doesn’t even charge me for battery replacement anymore.

[@johnnyhock]

The SuperClone factories in China do not use “child slave labour” 😂😂 They use master craftsmen. These things are 1:1 perfect replicas. They are even cloning the movements

[@Finskiorzel]

Ofc, this expert is far behind current times and technology 😂

[@marktenglanduk]

Most of the cloned or replica watches are now actually made in Taiwan and use Swiss movements, this guy could not tell the difference believe me

[@yellowquantum4240]

I have had Cartier, Patek, and always a Rolex since high school graduation gift. Today, no one cares, and rarely do I get asked. Maybe the last time, it was 4 years ago. A dealer complemented my James Cameron Deep Sea Sea-Dweller. It is different times, the Android phone is a perfect timepiece. I love design and luxury makes me feel connected to a thing in a good way.

[@partridge7341]

Yeah exactly, these are some talented children who can replicate a Patek perfectly 😂

[@MobySiddique]

Yeah but you will know it’s a fake and you want people to think you’re wearing the real thing.

[@momocha84]

I stopped when he mentioned Louise Vuitton, who buys a fake LV watch 😂

[@glynnepritchard2526]

I came here to say exactly the same... he hasnt got a clue

[@laurencerosenthalwinckler4439]

in 2 minutes his credibility was gone.. "LV watch".. "only way to spot a fake is on the movement" who invited the "insider" for this interview? Hes clueless..

[@pauliewalnuts5241]

And he says "Dial" and "face" of the watch as if they are two different things 😂😂

[@Sporkmaker5150]

@@laurencerosenthalwinckler4439 He's far from clueless as far as the logistics of the fake product industry. 'Watch guys' consider a LV to be a joke but there's a massive market for any sort of knockoff LV product from people who perceive it as a status symbol. He doesn't seem to know much about actual watches but that's beside the point if he's concentrating on manufacture and distribution.

[@grahamsquared]

His credentials: Aliexpress account and a few whoppers his dad told in the 80s.

[@BrianCassidy-hb9pg]

You forgot to mention one important thing. If you want to buy a Rolex and have the money, it doesn't matter, they literally won't sell you one! So for the majority of people buying a fake is the only way to get one.

[@ilijamatanovic4720]

Well, certain models, sure, but the majority are readily available

[@joseherrera8489]

@@ilijamatanovic4720like? OP maybe. But who wants an OP? Oh yeah, female models are probably also in stock. But again, who wants the women’s watches?

[@ToolwatchBoutique]

@@joseherrera8489 Walked into an AD last September as a new customer without any purchase history and left with an Explorer. Batgirl and No-Date Sub were available too. Most models are actually available today. It's rather a matter of how you present yourself and where you live.

[@JojoJoget]

If no one could tell the difference at glance, why would it matter?

[@ilijamatanovic4720]

@@joseherrera8489 I guess you're from the States? I'm in Southern Europe, you can get most GMT II's at ADs in my city, most Subs, Sprite especially now etc. Steel Daytonas are of course not readily available, new Yachtmaster either. Just came back from Hong Kong and Dubai. Rolexes galore. Every major airport this side of the world is also full

[@TheRealCartman1]

This is just embarrassing. He works for the watch brands so of course he's going to lie and misrepresent facts for them. The issue of forced or child labor is a China issue, has nothing to do with counterfeit watches, even Apple and Nike has the issue. Guy is citing a story from 30 years ago about swapping gold for gold plated then claims it's common today so only use authorized dealers - this is no different is Ford claimed only they can fix your car and anyone else will cause your wheels to fall off. The assessment if the watch is real is out of date, good counterfeits today are impossible to tell from real unless you remove the case back.

[@sterlingross919]

Just because that happened twenty-plus years ago doesn’t mean jewelers don’t still do it. It’s pretty common. The other issue with taking a watch to a non-authorized repair location is the second it’s opened by someone unauthorized the entire value of the watch gets wiped out. If you buy a $60k Patek Philippe brand new and take it to a jeweler to get it iced out in $40k worth of diamonds, that watch is only going to be worth $40k.

[@TheRealCartman1]

@@sterlingross919 you claim "it's pretty common" like this "expert" but cite no recent examples. Having a watch serviced by someone who isn't authorized doesn't wipe out the entire value as long as they know what they are doing.

[@ctdieselnut]

​@@sterlingross919 the second the back is removed by someone unauthorized, it's worthless, seems like some pretentious nonsense on par with john deer/right to repair (oh, if farmers fix their own tractors like they have been doing for a 100 yrs, they'll be unsafe and everyone will die. Just like the ford example above). Gate keeping, profit protecting garbage. Can some idiot screw up a watch, sure. But it's a watch, no ones life depends on it working (and the supposedly highest quality watches are sometimes notoriously inaccurate and unreliable anyway). Just my opinion, I'm not an expert.

[@Conorguill]

It stands to reason that the issue of forced or child labour would be worse in the counterfeit world. Those big brands have a reputation/PR risk which counterfeiters don’t & the big brands also have a higher margin

[@CLGaming874]

I have a strong feeling that the Rolex he was reviewing was in fact a fake

[@user-eq5ub5rs3g]

Insider should get a legit expert on, the world of super clone watches is very interesting, the quality, finishing and clone movements are crazy advanced today

[@CubeInspector]

Yup they are my buddy has an AP replica he paid $200 for. He's had a real one of the same model come in and compared them and said they're almost exact copies. Me personally I just stick to my 1950s pobeda.

[@ivoshandor6859]

@@CubeInspectorthere’s nothing like an old Soviet era watch.

[@tron3652]

I was wondering how street watch dealers know what they buying.. If it's fake or real.. I've seen so many vids of how they so easily sell and buy and this looks like you can so easily sell fakes passing them of as real

[@Dzokhar]

I'm not even halfway through this and 90% of what I've heard is incorrect or misleading. If this is an average example of what law enforcement knows, it explains why so many reps get through customs.

[@ALT-vz3jn]

As long as you’re not ordering a case of reps you’re fine. They don’t bother with packages than have 1-2 reps in them.

[@warhammerfaction]

Still supports child labor regardless fakes are never worth it

[@PhaedruS007]

Just spent 90 minutes on Reddit and know more than this guy.

[@danielalt7508]

I read a comment once that said something like "fake watches sold cheap that are near identical to the real watches, is showing why real watches are just too overpriced"... It stuck in my head...

[@BigTuna69VCR]

Same here. I remember seeing a video a couple years back where they compared a $900 "Super Clone" Rolex to the real thing under a microscope. Even the movement was spot-on. What was most stunning was that in some places the metal finish on the fake was more fine than the finish on the authentic item. The only thing the fake watch was missing was the wait-list. That video destroyed my perception of luxury swiss brands. I only go with microbrands nowadays and Timex for beater watches.

[@RoverTheDog1]

Paying a Swiss person a living wage is much more expensive than paying some Chinese child close to nothing

[@supaflymicros]

He forgot about the guys that open their over coats with all the fakes. 😂

[@pauliewalnuts5241]

😂😂😂

[@pauliewalnuts5241]

😂😂😂

[@badlarry172]

ha ha yeh

[@williamlangeii4012]

Or the ones who pull up their sleeves with 10 watches on each arm, lol

[@sparkeyjones6261]

I haven't seen those guys since the 80's. 😅

[@jdaz5462]

The only one that got duped is the "Journalist" who did this interview. It's ironic, because this guy is a fake. No one buys a fake LV and you can absolutely just search for clone, replica, or fake. You can buy a superclone with ease. This guy has no clue.

[@morgangallowglass8668]

I had a fake Rolex that lasted me over 20 yrs. Not bad for $20 U.S. when I was in the Philippines in the 80s. Why did it break? I was wearing it when I crashed a motorcycle.

[@liquid_metal]

Did you crash because the motorcycle was also counterfeit?

[@morgangallowglass8668]

@@liquid_metal , LOL! Considering I built the bike from bits and pieces, probably a valid point, but it was a blue hair in a Buick that cut me off and did the trick.

[@liquid_metal]

​@@morgangallowglass8668😂 glad you were ok and the (fake) watch sacrificed itself.

[@morgangallowglass8668]

@@liquid_metal , thank you!

[@jb678901]

Well, if you had the real thing you could've had it serviced...for another $1000 plus parts!

[@junito1008]

I’m glad all that counterfeiting is going on because the brands support the gray market to keep the prices up. Why I have to pay $15K if that Rolex msrp is $8K. Why I have to wait 2yrs to buy a Submariner?

[@Sasripper]

'Just buy from an AD!' Hahahaha Ok! sure 80s nostalgia man!

[@joseherrera8489]

Yeah, good luck. I’ve been to 5 ADs around me and only one has put me on the list.

[@VoltMX57]

@@joseherrera8489 I've been on the "magical" waiting list for a Batman since 2018, its complete bs

[@shALKE]

Or TD

[@alphaTrader.oo1]

He looks more likes a watch dealer than an investigator

[@mikej5959]

One of the shady gray market dealers that he speaks of, even though that’s mostly not a thing at all

[@kdm_entertainment]

The dad gave him one of the fake watches? Isnt that very hypocritical..?

[@ukgmail5329]

I came here to post this comment actually I find it kind of sickening and shocking that he was locking people up for selling what he was wearing as a kid ... Wonder how many of their friends and family also got freebies... Funny how it's okay for the cops but not for everybody else... And to think these watch criminals probably went to jail... Watch brands have got bigger and bigger every year... Counterfeits totally help drive their market as a gateway product... as soon as a counterfeit wearer has enough money they generally buy a real one.... this is great for their business.... Total bulshit that someone's made their living locking up people for this trade... We need to fix real criminality before worrying about protecting big brands... Who don't pay tax and don't give a crap about you.

[@JCosta-pw5ui]

This guy sounds rather shady himself... Most likely a grifter.

[@ameershakoor7623]

Did he buy or steal the fake during one of those “raids”? lmao

[@KMQ32]

Exactly, wouldn't doubt he was selling some on the side. So, dude just admitted he dad was is a criminal and how he said it makes me think he is as well.

[@itsalexc91]

@@JCosta-pw5ui He definitely seems that way, he's giving off the energy of some high paid 'consultant' or something who doesn't actually know jack about the subject matter. He's completely wrong and spreading outright propaganda on some of these claims

[@romans7177]

10:54 Busts illegal watch rings, gets a free fake watch from his father. "Rules for thee not for me"

[@kcnmsepognln]

Did Insider check this guy out first? Can I just present myself to them as an "expert" and they'll take my word for it? Strong mall cop vibes. I would have expected to see him featuring in a stolen valour vid.

[@OttawaInHD]

This video is so dated

[@FCD844]

That necklace he’s sporting. Never trust a man wearing something like that.

[@mrboatshoe]

​@@FCD844I was just about to comment the same thing😂😂😂

[@charlesthehammer4097]

@@FCD844he really wants us to see it. Like the Johnny Bench necklace John Candy bought in Brewster’s Millions. (Google it :))

[@kg-Whatthehelliseventhat]

Hey bro, it's Don Shipley. 😂😂😂

[@deesteve4156]

Excellent upload! Loved every moment...

[@ststst981]

Oh no, it became harder for Rolex to artificially restrict product to inflate prices, im gonna cry

[@Ncryptiion]

Artificially restrict? LMFAO bro they’re a private company they have every right to make only 1 watch a year if they feel like 💀 y’all are so slow oh my god please help us

[@ststst981]

@@Ncryptiion yea sure they absolutely do, and it still counts as artificial restriction.

[@hittingreens5646]

@@ststst981 so by your definition any company that isn't producing product 24/7 regardless of demand is guilty of artificial restriction

[@ststst981]

@@hittingreens5646 any company that purposely ramps down production solely to create scarcity of their product is. It's legal but it's a shitty business practice. Why are you so desperate to suck off a watch company that shafts its customer base

[@stevenray9229]

they don't artificially restrict them. they make pretty much as many as people want that can afford them with around 1 million pieces produced per year. they are needlessly expensive and not debating with you on how much they cost or if the price is fair. just that it's not artificial inflation, it's just glam expensive like Versace or Gucci. for artificial restriction you can look to supreme or the diammond trade. supreme makes money off of fomo and people not being able to get ahold of their stuff, diamonds are a market created by diamond profiteers who have massive stores of this relatively useless gem.

[@ben_r_]

I’m so glad that guy left his shirt open so we could all see his necklace 🙄

[@smithandshortdogs]

0:55 a face and a dial are the same thing... you are looking for the term "crown". Easy mistake, especially when you already used the word crown to describe Rolex's logo. But then going on to say it is easy to spot a fake movement.... ehhh... you are about 5-10 years behind if you actually believe that.

[@pauliewalnuts5241]

😂😂😂 yea that made me laugh. "Dial and face"

[@philipwarren93]

He should have used the word "coronet" to describe the "crown". Man's a clown

[@MrMaxyield]

I knew within the first 90 seconds this guy is a schmuck 😂😂

[@luco323]

Rolex clones till this day don't use free sprung balance so it's very easy to determine it's fake even for someone with little knowledge once u open the watch, but other than that he is just talking garbage

[@CubeInspector]

And that's just rolex. AP and Richard mills are all over too

[@ChrisRogersTheAngryChef]

"crown on the face, but not on the dial". Yea, this guys a real watch pro. I don't even think he knows how to tell time.

[@Mammoth919]

On a digital watch at that.

[@alexs5394]

This is just making me want a counterfeit. Literally such high quality that you can't distinguish them from the real deal? Then....why pay for the real deal?

[@causetheplumstasteyum7848]

Yeah i kinda agree , usually the people who pay the prices for these type of items have more money than sense. Thanks hank.

[@atema5320]

It's really come down to ethical reasons. With genuine Rolex watches you are paying for the cost of labour, production + profit. For the fakes you are honestly just paying for profit + production. The labourers get almost nothing after risking their lives. And for some consumers their pride, reputation, morals etc. have them paying higher for genuine.

[@causetheplumstasteyum7848]

@@atema5320 The average price of a rolex - the cheapest ones they make are 7 - 20 grand , i know they are unique and clearly well made but 20 thousand for a watch really is madness , its mainly greed and attention its just the same when moron celebrities spend 20 , 30 grand on a handbag , greedy people with too much money.

[@Sleezy.Design]

@@causetheplumstasteyum7848some people buy a rolex as an investment because they're worth more over time. Other people buy one to treat themselves for succeeding in life. Other people are just stupid rich, like you said, and buy them because the can, just to flex

[@dicksonfranssen]

There's a big store near here called Knockoffs. It's all women's clothes anyways so it doesn't affect me. And my wife? I don't make her wear short skirts but if she throws out those beat up old overalls she's in big trouble.

[@oo-kk4rv]

This just proves that counterfeiting items isn't bad. This guy was wearing counterfeits as a kid given to him by his dad

[@DeanABerge]

If they are using the same machinery, what would they need child labor for? This is propaganda by the watch industry. If you are selling a product that can be reproduced for 1/20 th of your price... there is something totally wrong with your pricing!

[@sinjinadams2862]

Overhead, marketing and all the other things that go into running a business. It's not cheap you know.

[@delphic464]

The quality control of real watch makers creates massive rejected parts which significantly increases the cost. The precision of all the parts is so high that there is a considerable number of parts (a mechanical watch contains hundreds or thousands of invidivual parts) that are rejected due to minor manufacturing flaws. Counterfeit products can crank out cheap goods because they don't have this level of QC. The accuracy of and Omega (+/- 1 second a week) verses a Sieko (+/- 8 seconds a day) is why the former cost 10x the latter. A cheap knockoff is not only inaccurate, but it will probably die after a few months, and is almost guaranteed to not be as waterproof as an orignal.

[@EddieRicks-i8v]

The real Rolex takes months to make with real gold and other fine materials and it hold its value very well

[@davidb2]

@@delphic464 Which Omega is that accurate?

[@michaelbcohen]

bc they dont use the same machinery, and a lot of the groups involved in counterfeit watches are terror groups like the Taliban

[@DesertCow1000]

I have a master copy super-clone Rolex Daydate I got from a friend in Pakistan. I paid $500 for it altogether. Nobody can tell it's fake when I wear it out; even other watch nerds wearing (presumably) real Rolex's will stop me to chat about it. I love it! The quality is suprisingly high. I wish I could afford a real one, but for now I have to fake it til I make it 😎💯

[@Anonymous-hs2km]

Holy moly...he couldn't talk about watches for a minute without telling a story about his father.

[@J.Tylercobb]

Good to see Cam from Modern Family out here living his best life!

[@BasTHoorn]

For vintage watches, don't go to an authorized dealer for repairs.

[@bozobebop5859]

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[@safensecure67]

@@bozobebop5859 FYI, Antique Road Show is owned by Liberty Mutual Insurance. It is designed to upsell insurance policies.

[@sparkeyjones6261]

I've had a gold Omega Seamaster from the mid 1960's for years, that needs servicing. When I contacted Omega, they quoted over $1000, and said it would take several months. Now I'm looking at local places, but don't know who to trust.

[@Mammoth919]

@@sparkeyjones6261and they will replace it with service parts (mostly hand and dial) so it’ll lose its original patina. Find a guy who has an omega parts account and does good work and you’ll be happy. I used a guy in Nc and it saved me $500 and my vintage speedy looks like it should and runs like new.

[@cbunn81]

Let me see if I understand. If I see words like "replica", "dupe", "clone" or "1:1", it's *probably* a counterfeit? How many decades of experience did it take to craft such a pearl of wisdom?

[@1992CaliBoy]

Big criminals calling little criminals illegal

[@ismarwinkelman5648]

Thank you!

[@charismaticares3382]

😂😂😂lol

[@Camerabetrapt]

Exactly

[@OngoGablogian185]

This guy's CV is more fraudulent than any Rolex he's encountered, lol. Pretty embarrassing for the channel. Constantly talking about his dad like the guy is Steven Seagal, boasting about 'going on raids' as a child (then wearing the spoils at school). Doesn't understand the distinction between black market and grey market in the industry. Doesn't understand that the only way to spot a modern clone is by inspecting the movement. Went into the 'family business' after failing at everything else including comedy and bible college, lol. This felt more like a counselling session for the guy than an insight into counterfeiting.

[@desyquintero8451]

you had me pissing my pants at the steven seagal parable. his most memorable moment was wearing a fake watch as he brags about his hero busting people selling fake watches . talk about confused moral compass on this dude.

[@HUKIT.]

My father, my father, my father. Keep riding those coattails…

[@jt-ok6sp]

14:05 the swipping hand comment 😅 I'm not even sure the guy knows the difference between automatic and quartz.

[@nicholastotoro7721]

Undershirts, sir. Please consider them.

[@Witchblood]

TAKE IT ALL OFF

[@MikeBarbarossa]

Just button TF up

[@SeanEmman]

😂

[@b.p.stimemachines2327]

The thing with counterfeit watches is most people out class themselves by buying a counterfeit diamond Rolex presidential when they work at McDonald’s and you know they didn’t inherit it because it’s not an antique so just buy a psycho or an named brand that allows you to pick a dial pick a band pick a movement by an Invicta there’s lots of watches out there for $1000 and under that are really impressive

[@flylikechi6]

Who the eff buy LV counterfeit watches. At least say AP or something like Omega..

[@lionblood2025]

right! this guy is a clown

[@sanangelo7926]

Because people do. LV has watches with their name on it and the counterfeiters will copy anything that is considered a luxury items.

[@chestermarcol3831]

@flylikechi6 - This made me ACTUALLY LOL, because it's so spot on. LOL

[@Catcrumbs]

Louis Vuitton makes some incredibly expensive watches. Why shouldn't a fake be appealing?

[@ke0kie]

This type of Crime really "doesn't matter" to US law enforcement. I know it doesn't because Meta, for example, openly allow the sale of counterfeit goods in their marketplace feature and actively sell ad's to Counterfeit businesses in the form of paid-for ads. There is NO enforcement and Meta, for example, some how skirt's liability for permitting illegal commerce on its platform. Similarly, these goods are allowed to operate their own web-store and other retail fronts with NO consequences. So while counterfeiting watches (and other goods) is obviously a "crime" that's like saying smoking pot or having pot is a crime. Ya sure, but when over half the US states allow it and turn a blind eye, the public doesn't care and does not respect the law. It's incredibly dysfunctional on all fronts.

[@michaelbcohen]

what is this guy saying. First of all, the high quality copies are Super Clones, not Epic Fakes, that is a term no one in the industry uses. Also they dont use the same machines, they use similar types, but not the same, as Rolex, Patek, and others have their own custom equipment. Also what he said it not the "Grey Market, that in the Black Market. Grey Market are legit second hand watch dealers, may times Jewelers, selling real watches second hand because they are not authorized retailers. They are actually regulated in the US and most countries (under trade laws they are regulated, they all are insured, bonded, etc), to ensure the watches aren't stolen, and they would not be able to do "mixing", those are underground black market dealers, not Grey Market. And a lot of those things he describes of the black market, hasnt existed in 20+years It is also false that the brands do not like the secondhand Grey Market, Rolex actually encourages it. In fact the largest Grey Market seller in the world is owned by Richmont, a major watch company that owns brands like IWC, Cartier, Vacheron Constantin, and others. Most repair shops are honest, it is very rare to find ones like he describes anymore, not for years. It is a small industry, and everyone knows each other. Also what called "Franken Watches" is not what Franken Watches are. Franken Watches are watches made from mismatched parts by a trained horologist to recycle parts from older broken watches. They are very obviously such watches, and never met a dealer who tried to pass off one as real. For an alleged expert, he knows so little about the industry he is talking about

[@matthiaskolesnikov1085]

Thanks! Absolutely right

[@FrothingFanboy]

Most of his "mistakes" are just out of date/generalized, not flat out wrong. Yeah, they could've gotten somebody more up-to-date, but they probably liked his stories about the seedy '80s. Nothing wrong with adding a little jazz.

[@linds6609]

There is no way this guy can spot a AAA clone. Im about to make some serious money selling this guy some Rolex clones 😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@snub04]

Dude is talking smack about China but is wearing a Dragon medallion…

[@pauliewalnuts5241]

He's probably being paid off by china

[@charlesthehammer4097]

He missed the 1970s

[@SenorTucano]

Don’t worry it’s a fake

[@sparkeyjones6261]

What, there's no dragons in Brooklyn?

[@lcervantes8505]

Back in '98 was followed around by a guy out of a major shopping mall in Shanghai. I noticed him, turned around to face him finally and confronted him. He smiled, and asked if I wanted to buy a watch...Rolex, Omega...what you want. He rolled up his sleeves to show me. I rolled up my cuff to show my Submariner. We both laughed hard.

[@nhfanful]

MY Folex came in yesterday. Thank you Hong Kong

[@Colby_0-3_IRL_and_title_fights]

You like? Best quality only for you, sir.

[@nhfanful]

@@Colby_0-3_IRL_and_title_fights Chinese quality > Swiss quality

[@KacperinOekraïne]

​​​@@Colby_0-3_IRL_and_title_fightsthose trusted dealers usually call you 'my friend'

[@nhfanful]

@Watch_for_me Lols, an insecure Rolex owner who bases their worth on the watch they own. Not surprised

[@mr.anderson7527]

@Watch_for_me You should consider commenting the same comment thrice, i know most viewers here love reading comments in triplets 🤣

[@subhanmominrijal3881]

If this guy is counterfeit expert then I’m a Batman

[@smoll.miniatures]

To the Batmobile

[@RabbitWatchShop]

This man lost me, because he thinks "the face of the watch" and the dial are different. The amount of misinformation this guy is telling his audience is baffling.

[@gamerbabyy]

Aren’t they different features or is that wrong?

[@AnonymousYouTubeconsumer]

@@gamerbabyythe face and dial are the same thing, he probably meant the crown of the watch as that’s what the video showed.

[@sinjinadams2862]

Yeah, he has said a few things that are not correct. He still needs to get a little better educated when it comes to watches.

[@kcnmsepognln]

Yeah something about him didn't ring true. He's the sort of guy you can imagine propping up a bar and telling everyone in earshot, about his time in the Navy Seals/CIA/NASA etc etc.

[@Entertainment-]

@@AnonymousKZbinconsumerHe also said band when almost everyone would call it a bracelet

[@robphelan]

"tied to child labor, sweatshops..." - just like our sneakers, handbags, and various other apparel are.

[@robg7892]

this guy is a watch outsider. LOL Hillarious! comedy gold, jerry, GOLD!

[@pauliewalnuts5241]

What the deal with Ovaltine? They don't call it Roundtine 😂😂😂

[@linds6609]

I understood that reference 😂

[@24hourgmtchannel64]

Now can you solve the problem of Rolex charging customers 10k for a watch really worth 1k?😂

[@pdsnpsnldlqnop3330]

My Casio Calculator Watch had better not be fake.

[@aimonaidark]

Bad news they actually fake casios and seikos now

[@jamesblonde2271]

it does happen....😂

[@claytonberg721]

@@aimonaidark The way you tell a fake seiko is everything lines up correctly.

[@aimonaidark]

@@claytonberg721 lmao true 🤣

[@williamlangeii4012]

Tells you to only use authorized dealers. Then tells you how an authorized dealer was stealing the gold from the watches he was repairing. That's why i learned to fix my own watches. For $200 worth of tools and a pile of books on Amazon there's nothing i can't fix. An authorized dealer wanted over $500 to replace the pearl on my Submariner. I bought it online and did it myself for $60.

[@magstheonlyone]

Next video please - How Counterfeit Experts Actually Work

[@charlesthehammer4097]

lol true.

[@WillR-s9c]

Has this guy looked at a counterfeit movement? It's like 99% there 😂 The fact that he called the crown a dial tells me he has no idea about watches lmao

[@themagpie_1]

Clearly this guy has never been into an AD. The AD`s have forced us all to use the grey market they all `hate`??

[@brandenleshock9934]

Where did you find this guy? He doesn’t know basic terminology. Rolex if you are using him to find fakes, teach him basic terms and explain the “crown” is a coronet. Also folks take 98% of what he told you and forget about it

[@Nathanielcameron]

Seeing as I dont know who you are but I was able to Google this guy and all you have is an annoying YT comment, I think I'll be fine.

[@LLombard-ys1zp]

It sounds like this guys dad was running a gang of his own. Sawing doors and confiscating property as a private investigator/off duty cop? Shameful.

[@ptrm7815]

That was my thought exactly. How can a civilian just break into someone else's store and "confiscate" (i.e. steal) their stuff? Even cops need a warrant in most cases. Then again, I'm not American, maybe there you can just call your gang "Investigators" and go play cops and nobody minds. This guy is faker than those $5 watches. The "$200.000 price on my dad's head" sounds like a complete BS, and he obviously has no clue about watches. I would be surprised if anything that he talks about is true.

[@gotyobackbro5781]

So..His Dad was an investigator who seized fake Rolex watches and gave a couple to his son to wear to school? Sounds a little hypocritical to me.

[@stephenboykin4958]

I’ve been in to watchs for about three years and I already know more about fakes than this guy. He is so misinformed. That chain he’s wearing is ridiculous. It probably fake.

[@matthewliberatore3832]

It's not a counterfeit watch.... its a real watch. It might be a counterfeit rolex or AP. But it's an actual real deal watch.

[@WAYNESWAYS-ib3cm]

This must be an old video BECAUSE THIS GUY IS WAY OFF ABOUT THE MODERN “super clone replicas”

[@notorious3013]

You mean epic clones lol

[@tigeryorkie07]

And I, was the only kid at MY middle school wearing a "Rolex"....I got SO much attention that I got called to the office and my parents were called, because they thought I had taken it from my father, an they didn't want it stolen or damaged....🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@yeetsaspizzas3921]

I'll keep buying my clones thank you.

[@GetOutsideYourself]

This isn't a video about how counterfeit watches work, it's a video about Rob Holmes.

[@erikandersen2146]

Lol when they showed Ali Express

[@pauliewalnuts5241]

😂😂 that made me laugh

[@CeideSchuastz]

you’re literally my comfort person i love you *amzwatch* !

[@alfredthegreat9543]

My friend has a Superclone of the same Rolex he owns. Genuine one he keeps in a safe because he's scared he'd lose it in a mugging.

[@jamesmoninger1982]

I am retired from CBP. Customs and Border Protection is highly concerned with bulk shipments of counterfeit goods, but not overly obsessed with a single "Polex" being sent through the mail or identified at a port of entry. This guy is serving his masters and I can appreciate that, but I used to process passengers who were sweating bullets because they were wearing a "Polex" on their sleeve. Just smiled and told them to enjoy.

[@pateksla]

Bro just said Louis Vuitton 🤭

[@AlisonMadison-r5h]

Picked up a *amzwatch* 's watch as my first watch last month and I’m absolutely in love with it. Perfect size, looks elegant, very comfortable. Now my only problem is holding off from buying more watches so quickly!

[@hfd268]

Where did you find this guy he’s giving soo much misinformation

[@kcgunesq]

That is not at all what Frankewatch normally means. Instead, imagine you have a watch that but for the dial color would be very rare. You can find that dial or one that can be easily modified in a far less rare but still genuine watch. You swap the dials. Now, you have a very rare watch with all genuine parts (but not in an original configuration) and a non rare watch that really didn't lose much in value. Or, the dial is fake boosting the value considerably, but everything else is genuine.

[@temasekb]

why pay so much when you can get a 95% similarity for 5% price?

[@causetheplumstasteyum7848]

Could say the same thing about a lot of stuff though , look how many people have iphones , you can get a very similar smartphone for a fraction of the price that can almost do all the things the iphone can , not to mention how much they sell for an actually cost to produce , its very easy for most people to just follow whats trending and go with the same thing

[@kshumon2000]

I think selling these utterly useless luxury objects like Rolex watches is a bigger scam!

[@theazrael4423]

Lol precisely

[@lazslostpierre9951]

Lived in Shenzhen for 5 years. The big shopping center near the train station has 8 floors of copy goods, including watches. My Bleitling from those days is still working well.

[@VartCarr]

Louhu commercial city shopping center on the Louhu/Hong Kong border lol. I pass by it everyday.

[@blackdove6713]

Communism and communist countries suck

[@jonntischnabel]

So you bust people, arrest them, and send them to jail, but it was okay for you to keep one of the fake rolexes as a 14 yo. One rule for me, and one for thee.......

[@xD4rkridex]

This is a lot more interesting than expected

[@Kangawallapossumbat]

Here is a story of interest about a fake Rolex watch. Some years ago, I met a UK man living in Vietnam. Back in UK, he had bought a genuine Rolex watch from a second hand shop. This Rolex was damaged and did not work, and he bought it cheaply. He took it to a watchmaker in UK and was given a quote to repair/restore it, however, the price asked was way above his budget. He would wear it on his wrist, even though it did not work. When he moved to Vietnam, in Hanoi, he encountered a watchmaker there and asked if he could repair/restore it and at what price. I recall him telling me the man said to come back in one month, and that he would fix it for free. When he returned, he was presented his genuine Rolex, now working, and most of the marks and scratches had been restored. The watchmaker then showed him 10 more Rolex watches, but they were all copies that he made during that month. He thought the replicas were identical and offered to buy one. The price was just $10. Now the interesting part.... On a return visit to the UK, he showed the replica Rolex to watchmakers in the UK, and none were able to identify it as a copy!! Also in Vietnam, for a mere $4, you can buy replica Zippo lighters. A real Zippo has a lifetime warranty, and it is an actual fact that these Vietnamese replicas are so good, that if they do fail, when presented to a genuine Zippo agent, they can not identify it as a replica and will offer a warranty replacement.

[@Mowntandewey]

Jerseys are the same way. Why pay 200 for one from Nike when you can buy an identical knockoff from China for 15.

[@dv7768]

I would be shocked to find the products are made in the place.

[@pauliewalnuts5241]

It's all made in China anyway

[@JojoJoget]

If you go to Vietnam, you’d realize they are made in the same place lmao

[@RDYnation]

What a joy to watch. It's always wonderful to hear from someone who knows their trade in and out. Truly, there's nothing but years of wisdom and knowledge on show here! Seems like a lovely guy to boot.

[@ivoshandor6859]

You forgot to add the /s

[@WhatALoadOfTosca]

So sad to think this guy has been at this since 1995 and doesn’t really know what he’s talking about. How embarrassing.

[@NaiveNectarine]

"I have every counterintelligence method you can imagine" *shows an Excel spreadsheet with an email address*

[@minyuan86]

If sweat shops and child labor can produce quality of watches close to the original..... these countries sure train their worker very well

[@bradleypariah]

The way to learn well hidden information online is not to ask for the information, but rather provide incorrect information, and everyone will simply correct you. Good job, everyone! I'm sure he appreciates all the tips.

[@koala-ytt]

10:50 busting counterfeit Rolexes so his son can walk around with a counterfeit Rolex, you know where the priority is at

[@mgs.915]

Getting a DHL ad on this video was gold

[@NotAWatchSnob]

"Super clone" it's called not epic

[@nikone4129]

This dudes knowledge of fakes ranks right up there with an old guy who claimed to be a watch expert told me "if the second hand ticks it's fake, if it sweeps it's real."

[@francescobaruffi999]

Nice necklace, bro

[@mason96575]

Lmao

[@neoanderz]

Charging this much for any watch is a crime, not just the fakes

[@edblair5253]

Louise Vitton watches? This guy says things that are not consistent with a professional person in the business.

[@wadiahal-filfil1598]

Yes LV has very expensive watches