How DayZ Deals With Cheaters

[@g-rip529]

They obviously dont care anymore the game is almost unplayable due to hackers on official servers lol

[@CryptoCartelElite]

true!!!!

[@gillo79]

Cheating is still a huge issue in this game

[@dontask2844]

As a second note, guy asks why is he here talking about how the anti-cheat works. The speaker didn't answer it very eloquently I didn't think. The point is that obfuscation only slows cheat creators down. It does nothing to prevent them. Your idea has to be bulletproof. You should always assume that the hackers know exactly how your system works, and search for the holes in your theory based on that idea. Security by obfuscation is a massive anti-pattern in the security community. It doesn't work. You must assume that all exploits are known and the time to implement zero. Therefore, sharing exactly how your system works shouldn't matter too much. I understand why they want to keep secret how they are tracking the HWID even after it's been spoofed, but the pros will quickly figure this out anyways. That's my point. If your security hinges on people not knowing your system, then you are doing security by obfuscation, and it will eventually fail.

[@SkylineOwnz]

Who's here in 2024 still playing DayZ, despite the fact that Battleye does absolutely nothing and the game is riddled with cheaters

[@Thecargoesvroom]

UPDATE: Hackers still own Day Z official servers in 2022 it feels like the folks at a Bohemia Interactive don't really care too much about us.

[@Unv12sL]

yep, bought the game 5 days ago, after learning and dieing a few times managed to get geared and loved it, only to get instant death and experience my first aimbot in the game not since cs 1.6 lol. Now i dont play at all or just taking a break, i think the devs failed to realize this is a mini mmorpg, that needs mmorpg tools like warden from WoW and better client server verifcation...

[@GamingAmbienceLive]

battleeye sucks asshole, only kicks people for no reason

[@OMGiTzSpAnKy]

@@Unv12sL You realize WoW has way more cheaters then DayZ? LMAO

[@XouZ88]

@@OMGiTzSpAnKy But in games like wow, no one really cares because you don't really lose anything once cheated on.

[@Hitman0220]

Well this department must have been cut. Can't play on official servers anymore due to the hacking. You never see anyone getting caught by Battleye as you use to see in BF4. Hackers are running rampant.

[@MrCheatreporter]

If you cheat you cant have it undone and your reputation will be forever tarnished. Its like getting convicted for kiddie fiddling,you cant wash that away no matter how hard you scrub..

[@SoggySoup]

2000 games wtf

[@ChristopherGray00]

That's actually complete bullshit unless you're very popular online

[@Dan20q]

But it IS a difference whether you cheated in a SINGLEPLAYER game (like me) and never ever in a multiplayer game!!! :)

[@dankdank7088]

@@ryanhannagan4856 how?

[@hexploit2736]

This is hilarious because he talks about kernel exploitation and onther advanced hacking techniques, and in 2015 all you need to do to cheat in DayZ was removing buliding texture files from folder in windows, this way you could go "under" building and kill people while staying invisible to them. Great job Eugen! You really focus on important things Xd

[@mastermax7777]

lol wtf really

[@andrijs1521]

lol?xdd

[@AnonYmous-spyonmepls]

gotta make hackers think its hard so they do other games instead lmao

[@djazu]

xD

[@adribier]

Very interesting. I love it when Eugen says things like "I can't talk much about that" xD

[@shamjpd9646]

The question about releasing your on hacks to bait people in is a great idea, I believe the technical term for it is called a honeypot. It's used a lot in cyber security, problem is with the deployment of it, if you release it on a public forum you'll probably catch the bulk of the cheaters but they will probably be casual or noob cheaters, but the serious cheaters will continue to use their private cheats as they probably mistrust anything to do with public cheats (rightly so). If the devs wanted to go full metal jacket they would release on a public forum and then create a subscription based private website for cheats, release the cheats under different names and have different UI's, watch the Users grow and then use the banhammer.

[@elfri1738]

They can't without refunding people otherwise its against trading standards law, so each charge back would cost the dev 2percent fee if the transaction in on a visa debit

[@nothanks4317]

at that point you could run a real cybercriminal business that was once the security department of your legitimate business

[@CanadianWookie]

Considering how he was talking about the hackers, it almost sounded like he was part of the hacking community himself. A cheater that turned rogue/whitehat. Considering the state of dayZ today on the PC official servers, I think he lost the war.

[@BlondProGamer]

How DayZ developers are dealing with cheaters? The short answer is, "THEY DON'T". Period. All the official servers are filled with cheaters. It's like the developers are having some kind of a contract with the people, who are selling the cheats to the players. A player buys the cheat, a player gets banned for using the cheat and buys another copy of Dayz. Profit!

[@carminumbarritus8220]

Given up to today on official servers, it's impossible because of cheats. They know every time I stash loot, where it is, no matter how well hid.

[@Gustavo357]

8 años el video y aun sigue gente usando hacks bajo este mismo servicio "Antitrampas"

[@aquality12]

"Focus on network/controller, authoritative client

[@aidenpierce2482]

Now :) especially with 0.63

[@infernaldaedra]

Bruh this is still true today

[@realtimemodz5964]

The only game I've ever seen with is near unhackable is the Phoenix engine for halo wars. It randomizes the values every game. So it's pretty hard to get the algorithm down to get the right spot everytime. So it will just un sync your game and kick you. It's possible I've seen it done online. But it's hard

[@ItsRayful]

There is no true randomization, the randomization happens based on an algorythm. Crack the algorythm = basically same as every other game to hack after that.

[@sebastianwozniak2423]

5 years old video what’s changed

[@michaelbrink9996]

Deal with community servers that dont support the little guy and then you will see reduction in people requiring cheats

[@hamdo_6428]

you said "what i see in the future, will be dedicated hardware for cheating and hack, very difficult to detect" The time has come, are you ready? DMA devices like Lambda concept Screamer M.2 USB-C are on the market and sells very well. I am very curious to know if you are prepared to ban these types of cheats. Any comments will be greatly appreciated. Thank you

[@teropirttimaki]

yep, somewhat yes no video. I have my handicap friend who wanted to play dayz, so me and my other friend builded him custom keyboard and for that a custom program to prevent the double tapping due his shaking/twitching hands. we contacted the dayz people and got a okey for it. the day we got all setup for him to play, he got perma banned with in 1 hour of playing. same happen on rust too. but that was expected they don't give a damn and never do. but still funny in its own way.

[@monter6348]

Not when do not buy games where anti-cheat battleye, block for no reason, and a neutral attitude towards players!

[@KautzkyGyorgy1982]

Few days ago I finished to play on a dayz server, because we had a base with 4 dial lock on THE gate, we made a lot OF fences, we had 2 trucks in our base, And THE cheaters glitching in our base from below THE ground And they stolen our trucks with full OF loots. THE Gates And THE 4 dial locks was in pristine condition. This Game is a piece OF crap. YOU cant safe any OF Your items. They stolen our trucks by glitching out below THE terrain.

[@GamePrototypes]

He makes it sound like it is a drug cartel. x) But it's good that they take cheating serious. (y)

[@Mizzle420420]

"I call cheaters Pokemons" - Eugen Harton 2015

[@rinner2801]

Toxic game attracts cheaters, who would have possibly predicted that?

[@ryanmcfryz9621]

can't believe eugen straight up lied to everyone :(

[@BryanRodriguez-nm4yv]

so are the HWID bans usually applied to repeat offenders?

[@iitschilly6969]

Except that Battleye doesn't give a sh*t about the players since you email them and you don't get a reply for 2 whole years.

[@sidyt33]

exactly

[@_Omni]

48:20 it's free?

[@theIpatix]

5:25 Things like BattlEye are evil - at least to a certain degree. My opinon on this is that requiring kernel mode software is something you should not do if you don't OS stuff (like hardware drivers). Me being a Linux guy, I absolutely hate it when companies do that because it immediately breaks Wine compatibility. I don't really believe that BattlEye is a rootkit but I generelly dislike trusting software, especially if it requires root/kernel. I don't say this because I cheat and believe what cheat developers say. I do it because pretty much everyone I've talked to about OS and security related topics has told me that software should always run as unpriviliged as possible. And you know, there is plenty of AAA games which don't rely on such kind of low level protection like BattlEye. I personally would prefer more development on statistically based algorithms (machine learning says hello) for cheat detection, preferably not for automatic banning. As others already mentioned being brand marked is kinda controversial.

[@goksenincakr2466]

Some cheats run on kernel level. So, in order to stop them, the anti-cheat has to run on kernel as well. However, anti-cheat running on kernel does not necessarily mean that it can stop any cheat running on the kernel. It is a complex and complicated business. There are also cheats which run on hypervisor mode (below kernel) or even on hardware (such as PCIeScreamer). There isn't much that an anti-cheat can do against them.

[@martyz111]

Just played today on public server been killed about 12 times it put peoeple of the game.been shot through the wall or instantly killed. I play on private moded servers where cheaters don't have chance really but time to time a like to go on public server

[@tiigriveljepoltrklapimajan831]

Use delayed bans: OFMG what year do we live !!!!!!!!!

[@LuckVanAIIen96]

The only game where I cheated was GTA San Andreas on PS2! Totally worth it! xD

[@sean8102]

He's not talking about cheating in single player games/modes. There is nothing wrong with cheating in single player because it doses not affect anyone else's experience.

[@brandonbennett1618]

I love battleye, the flawed anti-cheat that randomly bans people from all games implementing it!!!

[@Lemonzify]

"Raise your hand" lmao

[@x210-d5y]

And?

[@MelvinIsMerlin]

Doing gods work

[@irishjake7425]

Weeeyland! Oh yeah, Hi to Eugene too.. doing a great job.

[@oyeahisbest123]

still think they did a great job. battle eye once figured out is a joke lol

[@mrchick7355]

LIKE A BOSS.(no)Sound like hes googled what is cheats.I belive hes realy dont understand how to fight real cheaters in this baged game.

[@wolfy333sp]

Wow, It's a complicated issue not just a case of "Oh let's just ban him/her" but a whole community of hackers cheat vendors out there, hoping to gain advantage on the back of honest player's. Oh well it's a sad state of affairs we have ended up in, I remember moaning while playing RTCW and somebody was camping, that was sort of a cheat in my day and MOHAA the aim bots started and wall hacks. Now it's big business and a shame.

[@widowmakerdd]

+Terry Barnes RTCW now that was a game! Our group had 4 servers running the game, miss the old days.

[@wolfy333sp]

+Widow Maker Yeah Rtcw was the daddy, zee enemi is veakend, yavvo, negative, im a solder lol

[@DJ_POOP_IT_OUT_FEAT_LIL_WiiWii]

lol it's not big business, it's just a bunch of kiddies paying lunch money for unofficial patches

[@leagueofrichard3747]

Still only cheaters

[@CeceliPS3]

One way of making a anti-cheater really works: ban the PC, not the account or the IP alone. But they don't want that. Cheating and mild bans brings more cash.

[@NikTw3ntyone]

Everything except the game account is spoofable.

[@sean8102]

How? Hardware ID's can be spoofed, MAC Addresses can be spoofed very easily. Just about anything can, not sure of a permanent way they could ban anything but the account (be it steam or a game specific account) that cheat developers wouldn't find a way around.

[@CookieJHD]

Why do they cheat? :(

[@X39]

uhh maybe i should change my interests ... looks like i can earn way more there to finance my studies then in my 10,50€ job right now sadly im just too lazy to do the research -.-' you shall be doomed hackers for making shit harder for me!!!!

[@DJ_POOP_IT_OUT_FEAT_LIL_WiiWii]

That's BS hacking kiddie games is not big business.

[@DJ_POOP_IT_OUT_FEAT_LIL_WiiWii]

At the end of the talk he mentions a 500$ kickstarter made hackers to attend this conference. How pathetic is it, kickstarter for 500$ and they're making millions yeah..

[@MrGo0dlikez]

finish/fix the game first pls then fight against cheater

[@Golden2Talon]

god that typo busSiness

[@CrysisFear]

Cheaters have low morals in real life aswell. Thats a fact.

[@moanadisneyprincess]

completly agree, my moral is completly flexible, now many things i can list im not willing to do with a corrent motivation

[@ihateyou8006]

Morality is a manmade concept developed through time. when it comes to cheating it should be nuanced. Some just like to learn how the game works.

[@dayz5624]

23.12.2021. dayz holydays sale. cheaters on each servers...magic bullets and etc😩😩😩

[@KingkamEntTV]

I remember back in the days. Dedicated servers.. Admins. and Free custom maps and skins! there really wasn't a reason to cheat.

[@BLTZ71]

Can you get me unbanned, i got my account taken and i got banned. have proof.

[@Manx123]

Dreadfully dull talk.

[@deathbysnusnu8976]

i bet everyone that raised thier hand is now VAC banned lmfao

[@thePaindog]

Nicely done Eugen

[@brandonbennett1618]

Once a cheater, always a cheater, too bad this doesn't account for when they ban someone who isn't even a cheater in the first place. Screw Battleye

[@MelvinIsMerlin]

ok cheater

[@CarlGeers]

Happened to me as well. Battleye, while trying to do a good thing has banned a number of innocent people forcing them to repurchase games. Hmmmm.... wonder if they get a cut of the sales? Totally Lame. BE if your reading this you suck. Every game I buy that uses your service makes me cringe and wonder when you will accidentally ban me again. I'm now having difficulty with PUBG. This is pretty much approaching a class action suit in the works.

[@jimmyQW9welB6Sm90cHNy]

you can start with banning FrankieOnPC1080p

[@LukeplaysTV]

LOL what a trash anticheat, litterally just got wrongfully banned twice

[@LukeplaysTV]

@@vicshew i didnt get unabanned from batteye so i went a got a new router and hard drive and that worked, crazy.

[@majortok]

z1ronic sent me.

[@laditok]

you better fix that stupid bugs once and for all, dayz is a huge ripoff and a mistake a gamer can pay for...really? cheaters? hurry up and bring the BETA!!!! phfff...

[@zacn9631]

I love you Eugene

[@2Cerealbox]

Wow, this is like some legit undercover investigative work. Some of these guys might have a future at some three-letter organizations.

[@redpen6294]

Only game devolepers can make cheats and sell it indierectly

[@sean8102]

lol it takes 5 seconds to google tons of forums dedicated to people sharing their methods for trying to trick the different anti cheat systems.

[@markosrba0279]

this didn't age well

[@efadfa3]

"Once a cheater, always a cheater" I've honestly used aimbot and wallhack in MW3 and hasn't used cheats since then. My Steam accounts says it's been 1901 days since last VAC ban. The only one ban. Well, fuck it, I guess I'm a cheater.

[@rhkenji]

He really needs work on staying still. So distracting.

[@lifewithnicholas366]

Let the Tears of the cheaters run down their pathetic cheeks while they cry and beg for their accounts back lol

[@xd18rekkles6]

Life With Nicholas u must be delussional they paid for thier cheats obviously they can just buy a new account lol.

[@giztschmo]

Next time bring someone that does speak english, this dude thinks he is and it is sad.

[@spatrk6634]

he speaks english? i understood everything and im not english native speaker. same as he isnt.

[@tjl8884]

We need Os level anti-cheat on pc. Microsoft needs to design dx 12 to operate within a gamer mode on the os that uses a whitelist for everything that can load into memory. So you allow all the basic os services, hardware drivers etc, and the game to run, then encrypt it all or create a shield around it so it can't be tampered with.. How hard would that be to do? And no I wouldn't allow any multitasking, if you're going to play a game, thats all you should be doing.. If you wanna run utorrent and stream and download other crap, get another laptop or pc.. Just lock down the os in a gamer mode.. The other way of doing it without Microsofts help, would be to create a os within the os, that does essentially the same thing.. So when you launch the game, the pc restarts and boots up immediately into the gamer os environment, which then lists all the games on the hardrive, you select the one you want and hit play, from there it loads the game up.. It just locks down everything else the game/pc doesn't need to play.. To invasive? Don't play it.. If i was EA or some big triple A company I would be all over this..Then I would allow any game to plug into this os within an os so you could lease out rights to use it to other developers so their games would be hack proof as well.. Basically just disable the underlying windows os while in the gamer os environment.. Not only would that eliminate overhead from the main operating system, but you control the entire environment by limiting access to only the games directory and the gamer os directory.. It could start up and run like a linux live drive os.. If you don't know what that is, its basically a temporary install of linux os that runs off a cd or usb.. Whoever develops this idea would have to take encryption seriously to protect the software.. But i think just by limiting what can and can not load into memory would decimate the hacker community.. Since none of their overlays or dll injections would even run or load lol..

[@DJ_POOP_IT_OUT_FEAT_LIL_WiiWii]

And you run that system on a pirated version of Windows genius? The only way to prevent cheating would be to embed the game and OS into a temper proof ROM chip. You can keep crying in your little games, big business don't give a damn they sell to enterprise which do not *cheat*.

[@tjl8884]

I actually don't play shooters anymore. Too many millennial snow flakes cheat cause they suck at life but they were given a star for showing up and pushed threw the grades into real life.. The only way they can win is to cheat because putting effort into something, wasn't taught to them. So when they lose in real life things, they cheat to get that gold star...

[@sean8102]

I wouldn't allow any multitasking, if you're going to play a game, thats all you should be doing.. If you wanna run utorrent and stream and download other crap, get another laptop or pc.. Just lock down the os in a gamer mode.." Yeah that would go over real well, people would love that. Just completely take away one of the best features of a PC (its multitasking power) anytime you launch a game. No discord, no OBS for streamers. Microsoft could have a FAQ page with stuff like this "Wanna stream your gameplay? Get a second Windows PC. Can't afford it? Well fuck you. Thank you for using Windows :) " So yeah obviously locking down people's PC like that anytime they launch a game is simply not a option and will never happen. The backlash alone Microsoft would get from users and the technical nightmare of implementation and problems it could cause make it a no go. Besides I grantee you the turds that develop cheats for money would find a way around it, would only be a matter of time. Then its only the legit players being punished and restricted. And your second idea if your talking about a new OS just for gaming that would be a massive undertaking. All the popular engines like UE4, Unity, CryEngine etc plus publishers with their own in house engines would have to do the massive task of supporting this new OS, all the middleware that game devs use like Havok, FMOD, wwise etc would have to do the same. devs would have to learn and train on how to write for this OS and its API's etc etc. Not to mention all PC games now a days have their own launchers like Steam, U-play, Origin, Battle.net, Bethesda.net. All these digital store fronts would need to be written to support it. I'd be shocked if companies put the huge resources into doing this just to maybe have cheating eliminated from their MP games. but the cheat creators would just focus on finding vulnerabilities in this OS if it ever actually got any popularity. Plus I don't thing people would be thrilled about dual booting just to play games. And believe me I fucking hate cheaters (hate when people call em hackers, it requires no talent). I was actually having a blast playing Rust with a friend for about a week and then we had two cheaters with auto aim that let them head shot people the second they could see them. Lost all of our stuff in the game, well we destroyed it all as they were breaking into our house and talking shit to us. But it ruined the game for us and we never touched it since and could not get a refund since this pre dated steam refunds. But its always gonna be a cat and mouse game between anti cheat and cheat devs. I don't play a ton of PVP multiplayer games but I notice running into cheaters has become less frequent over time for me. From what I've read BattleEye has gotten pretty damn good at detecting cheaters. I love looking at the forums of the paid cheat sites and seeing people saying they got banned, usually because of a game that uses BattleEye. I also noticed that a few of the paid sites simply said they can't offer undetectable cheats for BatteEye games. I wish BattleEye was used in pretty much every multiplayer game. Also its completely un acceptable for a multiplayer game on PC to have ZERO anti cheat specifically AAA games since budget is not a excuse. And its crazy but some still do launch without any protection. No excuse for any dev/publisher that can afford it, and it sends a clear message that the dev/publisher dose not give a fuck about their PC customers (when its multiplatform).

[@goksenincakr2466]

Anything that runs on the client can be hacked.

[@AwesomeRudi51]

Interesting.

[@nybombs]

LOLOLOL Battle Eye deals with cheaters? More like cheaters making Battleye their bitch

[@fankgaming7753]

Too bad the game blows currently

[@sunk777]

Cannot cheat on H1Z1 anymore! ;)

[@FlatRangeOperator]

+Rh C lol u serious?

[@rahman-eq8lt]

I enjoy cheating :)

[@martyz111]

Coz you a loser

[@BLTZ71]

steam id bltz71