How Der Eisendrache Used Nostalgia To Make Something New

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@Chrisey96. Жыл бұрын

A near perfect combination of old features and new mechanics, casual and hardcore gameplay on a map which was large enough not to be simple but small enough not to be tedious. Can you imagine how much more successful BO3 would been if this was the launch map.

@KamikazeCommie501 Жыл бұрын

'Casual' and 'hardcore' means nothing in reference to zombies players. I'd call myself a hardcore player specifically because I don't try to do the easter eggs every time and prefer going to high rounds, and easter egg hunters would probably call themselves hardcore too, although I don't know why when their EEs give them overpowered weapons and allow them to finish a gamemode that was always supposed to be about surviving. Probably because they have to read guides and consider their way to be 'beating' the map. Also I doubt the gamemode would be 'more' popular because they kinda traded their old fans for new ones with the overemphasis on easter eggs.

@Howesitgoing1 Жыл бұрын

@@KamikazeCommie501I think the big difference in “hardcore” vs “casual” is effort. Casual players don’t necessarily put in the effort to learning a map or some of its intricacies. Think the catwalk on Der Reise or basically all of Buried. Maps where you don’t need to necessarily learn before going far either high rounds or EE. On the other hand Origins is extremely difficult to learn on the fly no simple training spots and wonder weapons are locked behind puzzles. Also, Easter Eggs simply give another aspect to strive for in the game. A survival game cannot last forever so you need to add something to go for. High rounds are I played for hours and did the same running in circles it’s difficult to perfect but the actual actions aren’t hard while doing an EE typically takes planning, if non-solo teamwork and cohesion, as well as different skills besides training and killing, some luck, sharpshooting, puzzle solving. Speed running also give life to a game. Super Mario 64 only lasted this long because of speed running and high rounds are really a good speed running category.

@RandoManFPV 8 ай бұрын

Yea i just cant handle those 5 straight hour runs trying to see how high of a round i can get to. Once ive got a handle on everything and i just rinse and repeat the same train cycle over and over for 40mins im pretty sick of the game at that point. Kino for example, i dont think ive ever gone down past round 30 without intentionally making dumb decisions in an attempt to make the game interesting or end@Howesitgoing1

@Vase94 3 ай бұрын

@KamikazeCommie501 "Overemphasis" At no point are you forced, or even suggested to do Easter eggs by the game 😐

@starkillerisbetterthanturt4191 3 ай бұрын

@@KamikazeCommie501 Either way the original statement is true, even by your inverse definition both play styles exist on the map

@jordannardolillo5920 9 ай бұрын

This map def required KZbin to upgrade the bows and pack a punch lol

@Zorkalot 3 ай бұрын

The bow upgrades sure, but he never said the upgradable goes, he meant the base bow, hence why it’s on screen as he says it. pack a punch is also very easy to figure out on ur first or second game. You just have to interact with 2 broken pack a punches , both in very visible and high traffic areas. It’s not even like you needed to turn on the teleporter. Just explore the map and you’ll turn it on naturally

@Brandon-mo4nh 2 ай бұрын

Within 10 plays you could figure out the bows minus void if you’ve ever done a hunt before

@RonZertnert Ай бұрын

Who tf needed KZbin to unlock pack a punch in DE lmao

@atomicghoul4747 25 күн бұрын

Pack a punch was pretty simple I figured it out the first or second time I played

@thatginger2457 Жыл бұрын

RETURN OF THE GOAT

@Kevin-sy8uf Жыл бұрын

GOAT is back

@dustinholland6892 2 ай бұрын

What is the _goat_ ?

@dzps4743 2 ай бұрын

@@dustinholland6892greatest of all time (GOAT)

@dustinholland6892 2 ай бұрын

@@dzps4743 Yeah, but what is it?

@dzps4743 2 ай бұрын

@@dustinholland6892probably the youtuber he was talking about

@tannerdodge6029 Жыл бұрын

I played this map a lot on splitscreen with my brother. He'd make the fire or storm bow and I'd make the wolf bow. We got to to round 36 once which was my longest game at that point. One of my favorite maps in the whole series

@MoistMarsupial Жыл бұрын

Very well said. I personally believe DE to be the best map in zombies because of how well it bridges the gap between the casual and hardcore playerbases, and it does so without compromising depth. It's approachable and truly has a bit of something for everyone while keeping that intangible zombies "vibe". Great video :)

@darksaintxvi6914 5 ай бұрын

😂

@davemac9563 Жыл бұрын

Der Eisendrache was the last map I enjoyed from the Blundel era. After that, I was getting sick of his look up a guide to get everything style.

@MDMcVay11462 Жыл бұрын

I loved BO3 MP. The advanced movement was amazing, well balanced, and added in a bit of challenge. The campaign I have no clue what happened until recently when gaming wins went over it.

@zacharysilver911 Жыл бұрын

Yeah BO3 had the best gameplay but the worst campaign

@cobrakaineverdies-i2k Жыл бұрын

@@zacharysilver911 the execution could've been better, but it was still a decent campaign.

@ProjectSh4dow Жыл бұрын

@@cobrakaineverdies-i2k Felt like a fever dream tbh. Didn’t feel like I was actually playing the campaign lol. I enjoyed the campaign the first time I played through it, haven’t played it again since.

@crodaskater Жыл бұрын

Your analyses of the maps are by far my favourite to watch/listen to

@themoonstar8710 Жыл бұрын

This is probably still my favorite BO3 map ever, and it helps that it has what is definitely my favorite easter egg song in the series. I never go a run without activating the music easter egg, it's so damn good

@saintcanadianbacon8354 Жыл бұрын

I'm a sucker for medieval castles

@jedipoopyhead1107 2 ай бұрын

i have like 200 hours on this map alone and NOW YOU'RE TELLING ME THAT THERE WAS A SECRET MELEE WEAPON, i have to play it again...

@xboxisbetta 5 ай бұрын

My biggest gripe with BO3 Zombies is that we have to use the B03 weapons mainly. I just hate the weapon designs.

@jedipoopyhead1107 2 ай бұрын

true

@kaspersaldell 2 ай бұрын

On one hand, the BO3 weapons are stupid, nonsensical futuristic slop, but they are at least well-balanced and customizable.

@Boomi_Dog 2 ай бұрын

I like the weapons

@sixbases6793 2 ай бұрын

Rlly ngg?

@Tfortits 2 ай бұрын

@@sixbases6793ngg??? Its 2 words how hard is it to type them properly.

@ClonedGamer001 Жыл бұрын

Technically speaking, between Kino and DE there is another map with a non-English name. Shangri-La is a Chinese name, but it doesn't have a direct translation the way Kino der Toten can be directly translated to "Theater of the Dead," but it roughly means "Utopia" or "Paradise."

@RonZertnert Жыл бұрын

its also a common phrase used throughout the english language rather than a specific location name in another language.

@ClonedGamer001 Жыл бұрын

@@RonZertnert Words like "utopia" and "paradise" are, but those aren't literal translations of "Shanrgi-La." Those are just the closest words to what it means. Shangri-La itself is a specific place.

@RonZertnert Жыл бұрын

@@ClonedGamer001 Shangri-la is not a specific place. It is a descriptor word used for a place of paradise or beauty. It is a phrase commonly used in English.

@ClonedGamer001 Жыл бұрын

@@RonZertnert From what I read it's a lost city, much like Atlantis or El Dorado. It's not a place you can point to on a map, but it is certainly a specific place. If anything it's _more_ specific than "Theater of the Dead" since that can refer to any theater that has dead things in it, while Shangri-La is one specific city. Also it certainly is not commonly used in English. I don't think I've ever heard anyone say "Shangri-La" outside of discussing the Zombie map itself. You may be thinking of "Nirvana," which is fairly common in English.

@RonZertnert Жыл бұрын

@@ClonedGamer001 It is not a "lost city" it is a fictional location made up for literature whose name has become synonymous with paradise. Shangri-la is a common english phrase used to describe a place of beauty or paradise. "A regular shangri-la." A quick googled search shows already 100s of english hotels and locations using the phrase. With english as your second language, maybe you just misunderstood its use? Also saying the word is specific is really humorous, thanks for the laugh.

@MatthewKingpin Ай бұрын

As someone who has watched this series several times all the way through and tended not to watch the actual footage: I just noticed the seamless transition you made at 13:03 with the HVK reload. It was a very slick bit of editing :)

@zashbayy Жыл бұрын

Amazing Video man!! Im from Bavaria/Germany and Burg Hohenwerfen (The castle its inspired from) is about 45 minutes away from where I live. Been there multiple times already but never realized they took so much inspiration from that for Der Eisendrache. Really excited to go there and look for all the stuff they took inspiration from :)

@robloxpwnr7604 Жыл бұрын

Just wanted to say I always look forward to your new uploads, and if you ever run out of zombie content I’d happily watch you talk about any other game, movie or comic.

@jocastadidntknew5980 Жыл бұрын

It’s important to note that nearly all of BO3 zombies is set during World War II, with the 1940s being a running theme connecting the maps. Der Eisendrache: 1940s Nazi Germany (Austria) Zetsobou No Shima: 1940s Imperial Japan Territory Gorod Krovi: 1940s USSR Shadows of Evil: 1940s USA I put Shadows last because I think we tend to forget the map is still within that category due to all the Lovecraftian elements, but it’s important to note that DE was not the first map to return to that era. It was that way from the start.

@davemac9563 Жыл бұрын

Too bad it doesn’t have that vibe. Especially Gorod Krovi.

@zaywasneverthere Жыл бұрын

another great analysis. grateful for the time & effort that goes into just 20mins of our time. keep it up!

@mr.happybear7058 Жыл бұрын

I was literally binging your retrospective series while playing der eisendrache when this came out, clutch indeed

@ShelobYT Жыл бұрын

Today was the first day I saw you on my recommended, I am currently binging all of these zombies ‘Video Essays.’ They are fantastic, keep it up!

@justharry7802 Жыл бұрын

I’m so glad he’s still posting my guy had me worried he was gone for a sec I blame my dad or I would if I knew him

@daedalus115-2 Жыл бұрын

its so interesting to here this veiwpoint on the bo3 launch, when things went so diffrently for me and my group of friends. when we got the game on launch day, we all had so many crashes, issues with lag and load times- but we loved shadows. the pap steps, once we learned them, were pretty understandable- bit i completely get how its waayyy to much for a player not knowing about how zombies maps have secrets/ees. it makes me apreciate SoE and DE's development even more. (also leroy will always be his name lol)

@DVGBlur Жыл бұрын

Wake up honey new White Cliff video

@schmuckmcgee7294 Жыл бұрын

While this map is fantastic, it does one thing that still rubs me the wrong way. Not counting bonus maps like Nuketown or The Giant, this is the first time since waaaaayyyyy back in Shangri-La that we didn’t get a new perk with the new map. Origins kinda gets a pass since it introduced Der Wunderfizz, but still, it was something that helped define a map’s personality for me. Maps like Mob or Buried would feel off without Electric Cherry or Vulture Aid respectively. It’s a small thing, but I was still a little bummed.

@whitecliffgames Жыл бұрын

100%, that's absolutely worth mentioning; after Widow's Wine, Black Ops 3 didn't introduce a single new perk! I think they started to feel constrained by the 4 perk limit and decided that the perk system was overburdened. So, they tried to add new features in new ways, putting that functionality in different systems like specialist weapons or other buildables. I 100% agree though, trying out the new perk was always one of the best parts of a new map for me so I was sad to see that go away from here on out.

@aidanwhite2894 Жыл бұрын

Gobble gums kinda took all the perk ideas, they even had banana colada as a perk

@JakeTheSnake016 Жыл бұрын

As somebody who loves H.P lovecraft, SoE has quickly become one of my favourite maps. But DE was totally worth it

@LylaFur Жыл бұрын

4:54 shangri la.

@geometrylander4559 Жыл бұрын

Man, I love your videos, keep the good work!

@animalx28 3 ай бұрын

I’m learning about the Panzer Helmet just now from you. This video is amazing.

@DRFUZY1 Жыл бұрын

FUnny you posted this on the day I completed the EE for the first time!

@zyleafpunch5684 Жыл бұрын

Man i just love these videos, pls keep up with great work i love it bro 🥺❤

@kingofgrim4761 Жыл бұрын

One of my favorite serious to binge

@X08-Chill Жыл бұрын

Really good take on Der Eisendrache

@JackTheRiffer115 Ай бұрын

I loved soe at launch

@legalam Жыл бұрын

Just stumbled upon your channel. Really enjoying the content, keep it up!

@stephenperez5735 Ай бұрын

I watched this already and then I watched all the other ones up to this point so I might as well rewatch it

@tytusdezoo5097 Жыл бұрын

5:00, you took a swing and miss with that one. "No map with a name not in english was released since Kino der Toten". No map except for Shangri-la, mate

@whitecliffgames Жыл бұрын

Shangri-la is used as a proper noun; it’s not a phrase in another language that translates to something in English, it’s just the proper name of a (fictional) place. Swing and a miss back at ya 😉

@tytusdezoo5097 Жыл бұрын

@@whitecliffgamesfair enough. On a side note, I like how you go out of your way to pronounce the German names but please remember for the next vids, that german "c"/"ch" should not be pronounced as "k" as it is the case in english. It is more of a huffing sound. Imagine it as a frustrated exhale and your german will improve in an instant

@drawde5762 Ай бұрын

@@whitecliffgames Shang is an actual region in Tibet, "Ri" and "La" translate to "mountain" and "pass" in english

@grubskies4221 Жыл бұрын

der eisendrache is personally my favorite map for a few reasons. I love kino, but find it gets pretty boring after some time as one you get power on there really isn't anything to do. I hate shadows, as I find making everything locked behind 15 minute quests just makes the game draining rather than fun. I love origins, but Im not really the best zombies player, so I find it's just too hard for me to have much fun with. I use origins to test my skills. Der eisendrache is the perfect map. It has a simple layout with an easy, exciting way to get PaP. The map constantly has you hooked, with there constantly being something to keep your attention. Wether it's the panzersoldat popping in to scare the shit out of you and make you run for the nearest place to get away or find a good spot to hunker down and fight. The bows feel rewarding, and i enjoy how simple it is to get the wrath of the ancients. There are many training areas, and many are completely viable, so if you get bored of one you can go over to another and have almost the same difficulty. You are practically guaranteed to get atleast one liquid divinium by the time you get the wrath of the ancients which I really enjoy. It has a pretty low skill ceiling, and if you can get to round 20 or so on kino you'll probably have no trouble getting far in der eisendrache.

@joaquincastillo2922 10 ай бұрын

Man I love these videos! They’re the best!

@zaywasneverthere Жыл бұрын

not to mention the community buzz around the DE release. hadn't seen everyone so hype since Origins

@IosLocarth Жыл бұрын

Because you brought up the campaign I want to point out a really interesting fact about it. Your character actually dies after the first mission while you're doing the tutorial bits in the second mission and everything after that point is everybody else's memory is bleeding into yours because you're all interfaced and you having a wild fever dream as you die. This isn't even a crazy theory that's unproven the scrolling text at the start of each level actually contains the information that explains this is what's going on. I actually really enjoyed the campaign both from a gameplay perspective and a story perspective once I found out what was actually going on. You also didn't mention the remix of the campaign they did with zombies that I still defend to this day

@deletedjoe Жыл бұрын

Absolutely love these videos man keep it up

@athanasiospapadopoulos6582 Жыл бұрын

I really, REALLY want to like Der Eisendrache because there is a lot of cool things to like here (the location, the atmosphere, the wonder weapons, etc), but there is something about this map that just does not click with me. It sucks because I know I'm probably missing out, but I just can't get into it

@shadows-xn3ed 2 ай бұрын

This map felt like half hearted pandering, the game didn’t play well unless you did the quests. Hell I’d say it tried to kill you at several points as punishment for not doing the quests.

@whitbaker4919 Ай бұрын

People don’t have to fight over staffs, there’s also four staffs in origins. Der eisendrache didn’t re-introduce max ammo rounds since they’re in the giant and shadows, and every other map in bo3.

@tiggle5485 Жыл бұрын

As far as the “overpowered wonderweapons” thing goes… I didn’t really mind it. I really enjoy using the RPK, and it’s the only reason I got the EE on this map. Yeah it shreds panzers, but it doesn’t do all the work for you. Ohhhh you meant the bows…

@Richard_Rojas Жыл бұрын

Never realized how much of a reference map this map was. Just remember having a blast thanks for the nostalgia and information. I miss old nazi zombies

@awesomestevie27 Жыл бұрын

I think the Easter egg really knocks it out of the park None of it is tedious It all makes sense It’s practical makes use of things you earn in way that’s fun but not too easy without Megas

@lilnjdevil116 Жыл бұрын

another 10/10 video, cant wait for the next

@friddlefries1140 Ай бұрын

People really don’t remember the weird spot the community was before DLC 1 and esp before ZC reveal! Thank you for bringing that up. It’s what made bo3 so memorable for me and my friends, SoE was so tough and then we played the giant a ton till we felt comfortable in bo3z and we all have ZC and the DLCS(fuck Zet tho😭). I think the devs could really learn from the way BO3 developed for the criticisms of CW and 6LF

@FreeziiTM Ай бұрын

How did I go my entire life without knowing about the plunger

@memerm4n429 Жыл бұрын

you can also see dempsey 1.0’s rocket at the spawn after 60 seconds

@seanmcnaney Жыл бұрын

I've been playing this map ever since it was first released, and I never knew about the free gobble gum or the hat lmao

@k9vendettathewolfofmordor529 Жыл бұрын

Bo3's campaign was for sure a trip

@unstookie Жыл бұрын

YYYYEEEESSSSSS BEEN SO EXCITED FOR THIS

@Zuri_SM Ай бұрын

Der Eisendrache has always felt like Origins with training wheels to me. im glad it worked for the community at large but even an indepth analysis like this still couldn't shake that feeling.

@tehCostHD Ай бұрын

Yeah but that’s a GOOD thing. It’s a map that everyone can enjoy, casuals and hardcore players alike.

@Zuri_SM Ай бұрын

@@tehCostHD i don't think this map does anything for hardcore players but maybe i'm in the minority with that opinion.

@voyagerofdoom Жыл бұрын

This is best map in the game for me. It excels in every way.

@PranjalDhungana Жыл бұрын

Ayeee, hes back

@angryblast Жыл бұрын

I thought he stopped posting and I was disappointed great video bro 👍

@dyldog 2 ай бұрын

A minute into the video so far, my first M-Rated game was WAW and I was a HUGE zombies fan from day one (I loved the campaign too), when Advanced Warfare came out, I enjoyed it, appreciated the new movement system because it was different from the last 10+ years… black ops 3 I LOVED

@DLGNT Жыл бұрын

Just realized it was based on all the final maps of the first 3 games. Der Reise on WAW, Moon on BO1, and origins on BO2

@aidanwhite2894 Жыл бұрын

How? Not trying to be rude genuinely curious sry

@tehCostHD Ай бұрын

@@aidanwhite2894it’s a 935 facility with a “dg” wonder weapon, like der reise. It’s got the mpd like moon and you literally talk to the moon during the Easter egg and end up blowing it up at the end, and it’s like origins with the elemental bows, and the panzers.

@Chamilion 3 ай бұрын

7:04 "They wanted to bring the old and the new.... *proceeds to keep talking about the old things* "

@shadows-xn3ed 2 ай бұрын

It was a half ass attempt at nostalgia bait and pandering to get old players to convert to the new zombie style. The entire map is a wash, the people like me who hated the borderline mandatory 20 step quest on every map didn’t like this map for obvious reasons. The casual players got confused at what was going on and looked it up, then ether gave up or brute forced it. And the players who like super complicated quests got a half baked map that treated them like children.

@stevea8717 Жыл бұрын

The modern weapons in ww2 maps is my only complaint with zombies. I understand it saved space using the weapons from MP/SM. I wanted a mystery box similar to BO2.

@ethanhawkins3391 Жыл бұрын

New White Cliff Banger y’all 🚨🚨

@PokeBurnPlease Жыл бұрын

Why does he sound like Japanese Samurai when he says Eisendrache ?

@NoChillMan Жыл бұрын

I bought BO3 just a few years ago and only really played the ZC content. I'm a bit of a "zombies boomer", and never really cared for the more complex quests and buildables. I'll have to give the main BO3 maps a shot, and based on what I'm seeing here, this map looks like a good place to start.

@Wutang2099z Жыл бұрын

In my opinion I haven't really played every single COD campaign but Black Ops 3 campaign by far is my most favorite and fun campaign I've ever had since God of War❤

@blinkin78 3 ай бұрын

The fire bow was the easiest to do, there’s plenty of guides that’ll show you the exact place to aim and you’ll hit the target every time

@TheRisingTide89 9 күн бұрын

Starting this vid, you talkin bout infinite warfare then mentioning BO3 zombies as if its part of IW made me have to rewind this a few times cuz i was confused. More confused when you said ppl were not moving forward in shadows of evil, day 2 there was already full guides on what to do in the map..

@pdrider7918 Жыл бұрын

Bo3 had my most favorite multiplayer and Zombies . Bo4 had blackout . Shadows , DE and Zetsubou are tied for my favorite zombies map in bo3

@AndTeeter 29 күн бұрын

good video, subbed

@nicholasleon434 Жыл бұрын

First time hearing about the panzer helmet, what in the heck

@Tfortits 2 ай бұрын

Arthur i thought he was called Leroy

@alexalbrecht5768 Жыл бұрын

Der Eisendrache was the only BO3 map that I feel like actually hit the mark. Didn’t play much of the other maps outside of the super Easter egg. Now I just play chronicles.

@jocastadidntknew5980 Жыл бұрын

While I personally disagree (I felt like BO3 hit the mark across the board), I think the speaks to what White Cliff was saying- DE is the only map that bridged the gap so that casual players could have something they could enjoy just as much as the complex players would.

@N-GinAndTonicTM Жыл бұрын

For me, Der Eisendrache is the perfect Map. I honestly can't name a single thing about it that's even slightly "meh", let alone bad.

@gwop69 Жыл бұрын

Yo dude where you been? We missed you.

@miacosby401 3 күн бұрын

DE is not a map I love but I think it should’ve been the first map for BO3 it felt like a perfect transition point from BO2-BO3 then Shadows probably would’ve been received as well at launch as it is now. Like DE was the perfect map to transition us into what BO3 maps would entail. Keepers and aliens don’t really appear heavily until the end of the EE or if you paid attention to the statues. Storywise yea I get why SoE was first but I think they could’ve released SoE second to last and we would’ve been like “oh ok so this is a prequel to everything we’ve seen in BO3 so far” but maybe I’m weird in thinking this

@Steezybake Жыл бұрын

HE BACK

@CHAODlS Жыл бұрын

He’s backkk 🎉

@balmain2496 20 күн бұрын

Funny how years from this, we all collectively realize that BO3 was the best MP we ever got. Truly unmatched, perhaps only by original MW2.

@FerociousPancake888 4 ай бұрын

I hope some day we get a direct sequel or very close prequel to BO3 and they go back to their roots with zombies and get rid of load outs. There’s something about having to start with a pistol that is sacred about zombies. That and I loved BO3 MP. The movement was far superior to AW imo.