How Origins Improved on a Perfect Formula

[@Jsjsusi]

Wake up babe, White Cliff Games posted a new video ❤️

[@1th_to_comment.]

69. Nice.

[@Steezealways]

Ughhh fine I’m up

[@sleekbubbles2593]

I'M UP... I'm up

[@kanutaro3426]

Crazy profile pic

[@vowish5319]

@@kanutaro3426 on god

[@BambiTrout]

As much as it is completely stupid from a gameplay perspective, I love the sheer balls of whichever developer decided to make a bunch of 14 year olds learn ANCIENT SUMERIAN in order to upgrade a weapon.

[@SpinningBalls]

Legit know how to speak more ice staff than English

[@olivialilacy8141]

It’s not even learning it it’s just inserting an easy code you get off the internet. A kindergartner could do it

[@SpinningBalls]

@@olivialilacy8141 there were people that had to learn it before guides

[@thee2724]

Hopefully they were think more about the 18 and older audience. That's the game's rating over here in any case

[@SpleenSplitter]

When I was like 7 or 8 I upgraded all the staffs with no KZbin I didn’t have WiFi, I seen my brother do it and I just shot over and over, fire was the hardest and I remembered how to do lightning shit took me literally like three hours. But overall you can find it out just by shooting stuff then writing down what works

[@HuntingTheEnd]

I think you nailed it on the distinction between "zombies" and "zombies 2.0." I loved origins both with and without my friends who were more 2.0 types, but I struggled to enjoy bo3's maps without a full team of people to drag me though the 2.0 system

[@morgboat744]

that’s interesting because i’ve always found BO3 maps to be much easier solo because of the learning curve that my friends weren’t super familiar with

[@EpticityOG]

@@morgboat744Yeah I think BO3 was easier than any previous zombies prior to it, the gobblegum system and more refined engine made it that way. However BO3 was still peak zombies it allowed people to play how they wanted and had some of the best maps alongside Chronicles

[@OminousBlast]

Me as a person growing up playing bo2-bo4 I find bo3 and bo4 way easier than bo2. I have been playing a lot of bo2 lately and I’m finding it hard to get past round 10 casually with no downs if I have my brain turned off.

[@WhereisYunoGasai]

@@OminousBlast the double slap nonsense

[@liveandlearn97x]

​@@EpticityOG so then im assuming in BO3 origins has ray gun mark 1 and 2 like the guy said in the vid? Makes me wanna go back n play the zombie chronicles on all the old maps haha havent had a chance to do tht i only played shadows n the dlcs maps tht came out haha

[@tristancrumpler400]

4:28 this. This is the only Easter egg I was able to complete in the whole series because it was just the right amount of convoluted and could be done whenever you had enough points to unlock that part of the map. There's some tedium but it's worth the reward.

[@EpticityOG]

This is the Easter egg I did the most of, I not too long ago redownloaded BO3 just to do it again with a buddy that’s how much I love this map

[@thechugg4372]

"No RNG" me waiting for the correct robot to spawn :(

[@Gio-pb5rm]

My only problem with the shift in direction that origins started, is that it’s not just one map you need to learn. It’s most maps that are very complicated to learn. So much knowledge needed to really enjoy the game mode vs to enjoy a particular map. Especially as the years go by

[@toastycarp]

Skill issue

[@stonedwall]

i’m sure you love Cold War and BO6, right?

[@MrSlimSheaD]

I love this map but being the only “zombies 2.0” guy amongst my friends who were more 1.0 fans, it did in a very real sense also feel like the end of an era.

[@morgboat744]

same man

[@anonymousanonymous6796]

I'm a 1.0 map last time i ever played zombies was early bo3 = Der Eisendrache but I always liked Mob and Origins on bo2

[@GabrielMartinez-my4of]

A man amongst boys

[@HyperioGames]

I think casual does a dis-service to the original style of map design. I think what works better is arcadey. Older zombies was more about your in the moment to moment skill and how well you could do (like an arcade game) where later zombies is where it began to become more about optimizing a set of objectives to be completed as efficiently and quickly as possible, to then reap the rewards. The original formula is incredibly easy to pickup and play, but hard to master.

[@cameronschiff132]

Idk about that last part, the original formula was preeeetty dang easy to master... but I agree there is merit to the arcadey perspective

[@branpod]

Eh, the og isn’t that hard to master, which is where the issue of replayability comes in. Doing quests gives a purpose to the gameplay. There are people who derive intrinsic value from increasing the number, but for a lot of us, working towards an extrinsic goal is more enjoyable.

[@de_gree]

@@cameronschiff132 i'd argue that it is not easy to master, but can be very boring to master

[@cameronschiff132]

@@de_gree How is it not easy? Kite the zombies, cut in between when there's an opening, you're done.

[@de_gree]

@@cameronschiff132 im talking about actual high rounds not training on the stage in kino

[@LowBatteries68]

These videos have single-handedly revived my love for the Zombies franchise. Awesome work!

[@tiredboi9027]

The thing I remember most about this map is a conversation with my older brother: "So who's flying the planes?" "Zombies" "woooah, they can use planes?" "Yeah"

[@whitecliffgames]

Laughed at this, then realized it’s actually canon, during the Easter egg you shoot one down and see the pilot is a Zombie… I guess they really can use planes

[@DarkraiNewmoon]

Since we've reached Origins I think it's relevant to ask this question. When you get to the Zombie Chronicles DLC for Black Ops III I'd suggest doing 1 video, about the length of maybe 10 - 15 minutes talking about the changes done for each map. No need to go though them all again. But also hurrah of having the classics back.

[@bubalackgaming8892]

Honestly, is talking about the returning classic maps in BO3 even worth it? The only noticeable change I remember was that it added the Random Perk Machine

[@shungite8240]

@@bubalackgaming8892they swapped out PHD Flopper for Widows Wine on all the maps that had it

[@nuteniumtokyo]

I feel like the best part of this kind of zombies map is that once you learn the set up it's unlikely you will ever forget. I have never forgotten how to build the staffs find the maxis drone turn on pack a punch whereas in maps like moon and acension the steps just feel completely random leading me to forget entirely.

[@ultimatechickenhorsesweat2614]

Yes!

[@DVGBlur]

I love Origins but it’s refreshing to see someone not blind fanboying over it

[@desinfected]

true facts

[@morgboat744]

agreed, i definitely think it’s a little overrated. still a good map that i enjoy but far from the best imo

[@EpticityOG]

It just depends on the person tbh, I see three types of zombies fans the Zombies 1.0 people the Zombies 2.0 people and the people in between who started with BO2. Although Zombies 2.0 for me peaked with BO3 after that it really downgraded a lot

[@penguinmaster3453]

@@morgboat744 how is it far from the best I get why it isn’t #1 but it at least in the top 5

[@morgboat744]

@@penguinmaster3453 it might be my number 5 but even that is pushing it. i think it’s biggest flaw is that it separates setup from gameplay so much, with a LOT of time being spent running around the map grabbing parts instead of killing Zombies. funnily enough that’s the exact same thing i hate about TranZit

[@alexevans369]

dont stop making these. Its like SolarSands played zombies. I love the doc series

[@knowtheplan472]

Kills me to remember blops2 is ten years old. Ten.

[@MonseyOnSpotify]

I'm not fully through the video but I want to point out the only "tedious" part is waiting for the right robot foot to open for the second step. Awesome video so far though :)

[@enemiestoaster]

This series has a wonderful balance of nostalgia accompanied with a mature retrospective view. The time and effort you put it in is always worth the wait.

[@analogman6610]

still my all time favorite map since this was around the time my crew did LAN parties to beat all the zombie map easter eggs. we actually encountered a few glitches since we only played local and had one where a panzer spawned on top of a electrical tower and we had to restart XD

[@whitecliffgames]

Everyone in the same room running Zombies Easter Eggs is an absolutely unmatched experience, love those memories :)

[@clamcrewcarclub6017]

LAN parties would have the room’s temperature raised by like 10 degrees from the rest of the house hahahaa

[@chungo4800]

the bugs were too much for me. i had 2 runs that made it to the last part in the easter egg and both times, when my party had to put all 4 staffs up and get 100 kills one of the staffs had glitched out and disappeared. we aren’t that good at zombies so it took us a long time and we gave up. i say i beat it but we never were able to actually beat it

[@virokyu]

@@chungo4800 if this is what I think it is, it must've been the fire staff that disappeared. It had a habit of moving into the robot when someone died with it (or lost it if you had Mulekick and the staff was your 3rd weapon) after it was upgraded

[@Baseballman1224]

Even when this series ends I still feel like I’ll watch all your videos. With writing as good as this watching you talk about anything you are passionate about will be a treat

[@mcconville_]

I just found your channel and I don’t know how it didn’t happen sooner. Thank you algorithm. I can’t wait to binge your videos this weekend

[@johnmayer413]

I took a break from zombies right before Origins came out and tried the map a month of two later with my friend at a sleepover. I was embarrassed by how bad i was doing because the map put so much emphasis on knowledge. I (an experienced veteran player) was getting destroyed doing traditional strategies that were completely viable on every map before it. Origins was definitely a huge change that demanded familiarity with the map more so than traditional 'zombie' skills. Personally, I really disliked that and never bought the map.

[@whitecliffgames]

This is a great way to put it! This map still required skill, but you could make up for missing skill to some extent with knowledge, which you hadn't really been able to do in the "old" style of maps. They were 100% about improvisational moment-to-moment gameplay so that was all you needed to be successful. From now on, you'd be able keep up with someone with more raw skill if you had a better plan based on knowing the map better

[@TheAlchemist1027]

“Never waiting for any external factors” *flashbacks of waiting for the robots to spawn*

[@Yoshimitsu4prez]

My only real issue with Origins is it is SO clearly designed for four players, and I mostly play solo when I fire up zombies. So I don’t really play it.

[@Yoshimitsu4prez]

Basically I am the one type of “zombies fan” they explicitly did not design this for lol

[@Yoshimitsu4prez]

Also, the only other thing with this weird mix of ideas is the Zack Snyder movie Sucker Punch. And it’s abysmal

[@ClonedGamer001]

I think the one issue I have with Origins' Easter egg is that the first steps are to fully upgrade all four staves and put them in the robots, but then they aren't actually used at any point. You can beat the entire egg without firing a wonder weapon. It just seems weird to me that they'd have you make these powerful weapons only to then completely ignore them.

[@ledgy69]

They are used to open the gateway, imagine the power required for that. No time for shooting lol

[@ClonedGamer001]

@@ledgy69 Yes but compare that to the bows on DE for example, where you have to actually use the wonder weapons as part of the Easter Egg

[@romanusplayz-wx7ow]

pendatic but the fire staff upgrade? but yeah that is true…der eisendrache improved on this formula by forcing you to use the bows, which also simultaneously empowers you at the same time

[@ethanhawkins3391]

Banger videos. I’ll always watch a zombies retrospective, especially when they’re THIS high of quality

[@soupcube5962]

Wow actually a beautifully done video. I like that bit where u used same saying this is step one while talking about how this is the first real leap into a new era. Good touch :)

[@EpticityOG]

The reason Origins is my #1 map of all time is because beyond the nostalgia for me it brought that perfect level of both being challenging and fun and the easter egg is honestly also a perfect balance of not being too hard not too easy, and not having super annoying steps

[@hollowedboi5937]

Origins was the first and only easter egg I ever finished, and solo too, besides Cod World War 2’s base map easter egg. Both of those were definitely tedious but very fun and rewarding to get down. It felt like learning how to solve a rubik’s cube in how formulaic it became, to the point that I showed a friend how I’d been spending the past week doing it and got it on that go from start to finish. Very fond memories with that map.

[@ojgimpson]

I respect this map for being bold and different but wow it really set a trend in the series that I didn't enjoy. BO1 will always be my fav! Simple to pick up but hard to master.

[@robloxpwnr7604]

You’ve easily become my #1 KZbin channel as of late, don’t stop pumping out the content man we need more 🤙

[@cadenhenderson4322]

22:00 hits on a really unique point. Despite Mob being one of my favorite maps and having my mind blown when I first got it, after awhile I couldn't play it all the time because of how fatiguing it felt to "oh yeah I need to wait for the dog to finish chewing before killing another" or "oh yeah I couldve shocked that with my afterlife but I wasnt fast enough" or... the list goes on. Because of this, Die Rise would be my go-to map.

[@Haunless]

Been waiting for the Origins video ever since I discovered this channel. You did not disappoint, love the vid!

[@frankkennedy6388]

"You never need to wait for something to spawn" Cough, cough, ice staff parts, cough, cough.

[@underscore_5450]

Origins was really my first foray into doing easter egg quests. They were something I never really bothered with before because they just toom so much work, but Origins put it at the forefront in a way that fit so naturally within the gameplay loop.

[@ohmykaren1894]

Back in the day this was MY zombies map, even as a casual player I always had fun and was always able to get a staff on time for the panzer. So fun

[@LovelessOmbra]

I was JUST thinking about you, you sneaky devil.

[@MrFreeKorn]

My favorite Map and youre 100% right with needing to learn this map so you could really enjoy it. Back in the day me and my friends would always do the easter egg seeing how fast we could do it, cant believe that it already has been 10 years .

[@jamesmccafferty742]

Incredible video.... exactly the kind of thoughtful game analysis for zombies I have been wanting to see so bad on youtube...

[@ChadKakashi]

Ah yes, the point I stopped liking the mode.

[@gamermanzeake]

I get this. Formulaic Zombies, has degraded the mode. The Victis maps are definitely better times, funner maps, more fluid and even had the awesome Persistent Upgrades.

[@knuckles1321ify]

As a person who was never really good enough to utilize the full map mechanics, easter eggs, etc but has been obsessed with the story of zombies since waw. I love your videos, to have it all explained down to the science is fucking awesome

[@polboye]

Incredible vid, couldn't of hit the nail on the head better. Definitely your best yet!

[@paradoxofperfection8965]

When I was 10 years old, Origins came out, immediately I was hooked. I spent most of my younger years playing Origins. I seriously put hundreds, maybe thousands of hours in the game. Throughout middle school, I had a notebook that I turned into an Origins guidebook that me and one of my friends wrote together. We wrote many pages and studied the map for hours upon hours. I played it damn near everyday between the release of Origins and Black Ops 3, even when BO3 came out, I didn't really like Shadows of Evil that much so I would just go back into Origins until Der Eisendrache came out. To this day, I still play both the BO2 and BO3 Origins regularly and I've completed the Easter Egg so many times both with friends and solo. It has been such an impact on my childhood, it truly was something I could grasp, nerd about, enjoy, and grow from. I will never forget how special this map is to me even 11 years later.

[@kangurukaiser9395]

I Think you nailed all my points for why I think Origins is the best map ever made. It is able to cater to every skill level and guide you on how you can start to progress. I can remember as a kid being satisfied with just a Mark 2 pack-a-punched riding the tank aroumd the map, to getting a staff, to making multiple staffs, upgrading, getting the other equipment, to now i've done the easter egg at least twice (once with no perks). It's perfect

[@ExtremeRy]

I absolutely love this map so much. There is so much to it that’s just so awesome and amazing

[@deffydubs]

Been loving these videos keep it up!

[@Hunter-7115]

4:30 Others have probably said it, but the step where you need to go into the robot then throw the g strike outside of the map sucks, especially on solo, since it takes forever for the right one to appear and you have no time to do it on solo Edit- I paused the video right before you said that, oops, I'll leave thia here just for algorithm purposes though

[@SOD1224]

funny story, my first time completing this EE solo, I hit my rain fire first try, but it was on pc b03 version

[@whitecliffgames]

I'm so jealous, I miss it every time

[@ActualBreck]

11:55 Bro I’m just saying, there is almost nobody who played origins the first few times and actually built the staffs without looking it up. Finding the records in particular was probably the hardest thing. Basically every one has like 1 obvious spot, 1 kinda obvious spot, and 1 out of the way spot. Seriously the only way that was happening is if someone decided to keep a crawler for 30 minutes while they searched for everything. The whole “the records are all on the other side of the map from the tunnel that it marks” was such a weird design choice to me, and probably the biggest thing that made it frustrating. (I remember thinking the fire record just HAD to be around gen 3 and the tun I also distinctly remember my first few times playing the game having fits looking for the main gramophone record, or getting the ice staff before round 15-20 because nobody understood to keep the zombie only on snow. Also yea obviously you have to shoot a ducking glowing plane to get the last piece of what to that point, was the most straightforward staff to get. (everybody else had to be told or look up a vid for that too right?) I appreciate that they at least made PaP pretty straightforward. I thought the power system was the coolest thing about the map when I first played and really appreciated how not convoluted it was to turn on the power for everything without needing a guide, especially compared to tranzit/MOD. Blops 2 also understood that if you don’t have a staff by round 8 you should still be able to kill the panzer with guns. Meanwhile blops 3 is literally just death without a staff or ray gun. Sorry I’m rambling now it’s a good map but god damn it is one of the least noob friendly maps I’d ever played. Seriously I think people really forget that if you played origins for the first time without a video you were unbelievably out of your element. Even the map itself is crazy big and hard to get a feel for when u play it for the first time. It’s the first map where stamin up is basically needed because you are 100% going down in the mud without it once u pass round 13. It’s a map that has the biggest environmental threat to the player since the falls of die rise. (Seriously don’t underestimate how many people get fucked by the robots at first, because the natural training spots were the robots foot spots which again would slow you terribly without stamin up.). Every trip to the crazy place was soooo hard at first because the wall rng is brutal if u don’t know the general layout. Still great map tho. Just seriously brutal to noobs in a way I think people forgot with age.

[@tarantolopictures481]

Origins was a good map but holy hell did none of us ask for literally every map in BO3 to be as complicated as it

[@BigBallsLover6969]

You d ride nuketown zombies genuinely in game yourself

[@Dunny261]

Origins was my favourite map, and I have been waiting for this video since I discovered you. Hope to see more soon :)

[@Sharkaiju]

gotta love when the community writes your own lore

[@Yamiii144]

6:42 the camera is from the perspective of Dempsey

[@gamermanzeake]

The constant gnawing of the story at you, is why I do not prefer Origins or Mob over the Victis crew maps. Besides the obvious that the Victis maps have more intrigue, and aren't formulaic. I always play Origins by skipping everything in map, concerning buildables and quests. Persistent Upgrades/Perks are incredible! And DO NOT exist on anything other than Tranzit, Die Rise and Buried. It baffles me that people still do not know (ten years later) that the lightning staff does NOT hit zombies! You must strike the ground with the normal attack and the zombies near it get damaged.

[@GadgetMaNameJeff]

Great analysis video, straight to your point no annoying shitty humour just clean and concise, keep it up looking forward to more

[@deadlyknights1119]

Origins is not only the best map because of how amazing the experience was crafting the staffs, or seeing the robots the first time, or fighting your way through the muddy trenches, or using the maxis drone to drill down a horde, or finally entering the portal to another world to craft your nuke staff while still being able to upgrade it to have an awesome ability and even more nuke power, or doing creative and fun challenges to get crazy perks, or because of how insanely complex, epic, and rewarding the Easter egg is. No no no, it’s because of how influential it was for making all the maps that came after it and switching up a simple sandbox formula into a epic complex narrative focused experience with characters that have emotions and have impact on the world, for making maps that have the same epic insane feel. Gorod Krovi, Der Eisendrac, Zetubo Noshima, SHADOWS OF EVIL, WALL OF THE DEAD. People really fail to realize that BO3 was such an awesome zombies experience because of what they were built from. Origin’s was the ground work for all of the fan bases more beloved maps. That’s why it’s still to this day my favorite zombies map. It’s a bridge from the old to the new, you still have that old pre BO2 feel, while having the epicness of the later maps.

[@MassiveMaleMonkey]

i have to be honest, bo3 maps remain unpurchased for me due to the overly complex for the sake of being overly complex story. the last good story-focused map that i can REMEMBER is MOTD because it tells a complete story. there's no unnecessary cloaking of what is going on.* SOE in particular irked me because it really wanted you to EE but it's just so annoying loading up zombies basically just to do chores for like 40 minutes then and only then being able to really have fun. i'd rather just boot up kino or a custom map on bo3. *i know we didn't know why the purgatory was in effect until bo4 but bo4 doesn't count because it fell off. just kidding, i just think that it wasn't something that felt purposely neglected, it just wasn't the most important thing. that map wanted to tell a story of betrayal, not explain how big bad wanted to trap these guys in alcatraz and the warden agreed and blah blah

[@TheCanihavaname]

This is such a great series I'm always surprised at the low view count. I know you'll really blow up soon!

[@TheRealSheoth]

1:54 Little Girl Lost lol

[@thee2724]

I think it's fair to call the quests from Der Riese to the Victis Black Ops 2 maps easter eggs but once they become so front and center from Mob and Origins onwards I don't think that label really applies.

[@woofspider330]

My first Zombies experience was Kino Der Toten when I was in high school. It took my friend and I at least 10 games to get past the dog rounds, and another 10 to figure out power/PaP. At the time, it was the scariest game I'd ever played, and one of the three games (the other two being Call of Duty 3 and Killzone) that elevated me from childhood games like Crash Bandicoot, Tony Hawk, and Mx Unleashed.

[@Bullet.]

I absolutely love your content.

[@AdondeBoy]

4:25 I really think that placing the staffs in each robot is a really tedious step (unless of course you do the bo2 glitch, however, that was patched in bo3), especially in solo as you are going to wait for a specific robot without being able to place another staff if another robot comes. I think the robots should have a set pattern, at least for that step, maybe it could be triggered when placing the fire staff, this way the player could determine which staff to hold and where to wait without leaving it up to luck

[@mrt4091]

I've played this map for years and I never knew the maxis drone can revive downed players

[@BoredMan0]

Absolute entertainment and review videos you make man 👏👏👏

[@jacrabb7579]

I’d love these to be made like podcasts so I can listen to it while walking and stuff

[@soupcube5962]

Your videos and the new plutonium servers on pc have made me fall in love with zombies again. So much so that I bought black ops three and an beginning to experience “the golden age of zombies” for the first time.

[@bromsherwood7739]

Honestly by the time origins came out i was already fed up with extra steps going on in zombies from the easter eggs in bo1 and even more so the buildables and interactive type stuff throught bo2. But i think origins was the map that got me on board with this new style of playing probably because it was so rewarding for the effort you put in.

[@Lostenoch]

Ive only just gotten bo3 and have been playing these maps. This video gave me a new respect for origins that at first glance seemed so excessive that it became inaccessible.

[@thecommentor3845]

I do wanna say on the whole that this is an excellent review on its own. Even if I disagree on points, I was still enjoying myself and it has a decent presentation throughout. I did want to mention two points as I walked from this video: 1. A lot of design decisions are very intentional. But I feel like you end up giving a lot of forgiveness because of that. Yes, the power is meant to give you a choice on if you want to get a max ammo or not. But if what you get for saying no is having to reactivate multiple power stations (or even all of them if you really let the knights go), then it's not a choice. You're being forced to do it if you want to keep perks and pack a punch on. That is the intention I got from it. 2. I am curious on if you're saving this point for BO4 (when this issue really starts to rear its ugly head), but when Zombies switched to this new philosophy, it had a lot of... unintended consequences. The obvious and immediate one is that a lot of people who didn't have interest in Zombies before will probably not be convinced to play it when they have to do a lot of objectives to get the most fun. But the long term one? It bred a whole different community to emerge. For BO3, they were fine and most of the spinoffs from other studios were following in Treyarch's way so there wasn't much problem (plus they were probably waiting for Treyarch anyway). BO4? The community turned vile. A lot of attacks were made to members of the studio as they felt betrayed with how zombies was treated during that game and many of the design choices that occurred in BO4. And it never ended there. For Cold War, the game had switched to a system that could easily be played by causals and they saw a lot of growth *because* of that. The problem is that the hardcore community from BO2-4 felt betrayed once again because there was nothing cryptic to find or the easter eggs didn't take a whole ass week to find the steps for. It does sound hyperbole but there really was people who believed that. For Vanguard... I rather not talk about what happened with that, especially with came out of the original zombies creators. That second one has a lot of nuance to it. It really was a problem that occurred over time rather than something we saw immediately. Other than that, great review as always. (currently going through everything myself and i am enjoying myself.)

[@SuperFilmregisseur]

3:13 upgrading your drone??? are you high? lol

[@2019fk8]

Last step of the Easter egg almost when you kill the invisible zombie it drops an upgraded maxis drone

[@Mewws]

That last point hit really hard tbh I still to this day hold this map close to my heart and believe it to be the best map in any game It is the point where i stopped paying attention and caring about the game mode, sure ive played majority of whats come after but i havent done any of the easter eggs or really invested myself in to them like i did for origins. Learning all there was for this map and finishing it was a good enough ending for me.

[@cyrilthewonders9458]

This map fucked how maps onward worked, now every map is a quest and not just fucking around with friends its always a step

[@WastedPotentiaI1]

Gorod krovi?

[@coolgamingvids3313]

Cry about it casual

[@ultimatechickenhorsesweat2614]

Just play town or kino then

[@SpinningBalls]

luckily every gun in bo3 is a wonder weapon, so you don’t need to worry about doing quests

[@Kaiji...]

Origins is my least favourite map. As a non-zombies player, when that map released my friends were so annoyingly toxic and we never made it even round 20 that it basically permanently put me off zombies since that release day.

[@megatoto9468]

How white cliff games improved on a perfect formula. Amazing content as usual

[@birdfacemd]

I cannot believe there is some level of parallel in the narratives of COD Zombies and goddamn Pathologic

[@felixkrebs1438]

I can still remember the first time the Panzer siren sounded. I was tripping balls thinking how can this game get even more insane than it already was

[@xXturtlezXx]

14:57 that’s literally how I play I treat every map like it’s town, and obviously it doesn’t go well

[@xXturtlezXx]

I wish every zombies had custom options like bo4 where you can disable bosses and stuff like that

[@xXturtlezXx]

I’m bad like that

[@OhAeroHD]

I think BO4 imo went too far one way in terms of evolving. With BO2 and BO3, they evolved in similar styles but added too much of the same thing but made zombies simpler but easy. BO4 made it heavily based on objectives, instead of traditional survival. Cold War got the balance right but still lacked a lot of the original quality between 2&3.

[@danielschultz96]

I think this map is what made me the gamer I am today and probably mob of the dead to but to a less extent. I became that personality type to absolutely master this map (from a normal playthrough perspective, not speedrun or anything). I took dozens and dozens of pug lobbies through the easter egg just to help them out bc it was fun doing it with people who were bad bc it added challenge.

[@bigratt5413]

Bruh I've played zombies since WaW nacht and this is the only video I've seen that actually explains why people like this map rather than just circlejerking about it 24/7

[@MrAwesomeHero1]

God forbid people love things.. am I right?

[@carsoncloud1858]

Where is the bo3 retrospectives 😭 we need them

[@de_gree]

i love it when waiting for robots is down to my own execution

[@Tonicbrah_]

One thing I miss about Black Ops 2 zombies is the ranking system it gave you like the skull with two shotguns which meant you were really good at zombies

[@caelanread3199]

I love the twilight zone reference of little lost girl. Excellent. Twilight zone also inspired games I develop, I wouldn't be surprised if it inspired major game developers such as Treyarch,

[@biz117]

25:35 ah yes the 'the wunderfizz'' machine

[@vulpis8307]

been dying waiting for this tysm

[@kaimorris2970]

Origins is the most important map ever , also the steps were not cryptic, we all played vorkuta in bo1 haha

[@charlesburrows687]

I’ve only recently been playing zombies again, having played since I beat the waw campaign and was surprised by the special mode. Transit and die rise really killed the whole experience for me so I missed out on origins. I have to say, if origins was the map that bo2 released with, zombies would be in a very different place. Transit was a great idea but ultimately fell short but origins in many ways was able to deliver that grand map, almost open world feel that transit wanted to have.

[@ILoveCheech]

Been waiting for this video so pumped it's out🎉🎉🎉

[@jaspervermeer659]

My brother and I have played BO1 and BO2 zombies a lot. We both loved origins, though started to play it more casually, and mob but he rarely wanted to play it, preferring to play something casual like Ascension or Kino. We both loved both versions of zombies but I preferred the complex ones (except ascension because ez PhD) and he preferred the casual ones. Maybe thats why I play BO3 by myself now

[@RosettaCore]

19:00 I absolutely have to disagree with your assertion that getting to high rounds is a test of patience over technical ability. Of course some maps are easier than others, however without a certain mastery of movement, spawn knowledge, timing, ammo conservation, intelligent use of space and traps. It is difficult to reach round 100; origins especially.

[@caelmcleish1212]

Little bit surprised you didn’t talk about how awesome the Avenged Sevenfold music video of an opening cutscene is tbh.

[@shoOoterlegend]

a note on statement about optimizing gameplay: sometime ago recently there was a debate sparked when a gaming news article posted that there was a speedrun of Ocarina of Time that was completed in a little under 5 minutes. people read the headline of that article and questioned how much optimism is too much to where you miss out of core experiences, and how speedrunning games and overly optimized gameplay is ruining games. and where i agree that some speedruns are dumb to where full 6+ hour games are finished in a 10th of the time is wild and little jimmy who saw that speedrun and wants to copy what that one guy did, getting upset that he couldnt do the time saving strats and never picking up the game again because of such. theres a fine line to where between making gameplay more efficient and missing out on content due to over optimization and people have to understand that. also for reference: that OOT speedrun i mentioned was done on the super smash bros brawl demo version of the game where the games because the demo only gave you 5 minutes to play it.

[@whitecliffgames]

This was a really interesting read! It’s absolutely fun to try to figure out the “best” way to play the game and feel yourself get better and faster over time, I would never take that away from anyone. But for me, the trend of more and more gamers *only* wanting to do things in the “optimal” way (looking up what the meta is, restarting/wiping any run attempts that aren’t frame/RNG perfect) is sad to see. Experimenting, and just spending time having fun with the game instead of trying to skip straight to the end result of being best of the best, can be the most fun part!

[@shoOoterlegend]

@@whitecliffgames I'll always play and enjoy a game and get collectable and some achievements the first time around, then optimize it on the second run.

[@Beethoven8335]

5:00 why is he throwing it from so far away? Is it required I haven't done the ew since b02 so IDR.

[@jacobsalampessy]

Its a timed step so on solo u have to throw it early or press the button when u automatically get kicked out

[@fatalwaffle1715]

Cool Video Bro!

[@davemac9563]

Aside from the Mud, the over reliance on the staff’s, and the atrocious generator busy work, this map did so much right. And it paved the way for other maps in the future. While I don’t like Origins, I respect what it did for maps going forward.

[@thirdvortex2600]

Man I missed your vids

[@pizzaparity]

gorod krovi was almost perfect for a balance between being casually playable and also having extra stuff to do. the ray gun mark 3 being a box wonder weapon was cool, pack a punch took steps but you could figure them out yourself, you could go for the melee weapon and do the trials. Only thing it was missing imo is some sort of buildable wonder weapons like the staffs or bows in addition to the mark 3.

[@AbdullahYA-]

Great vid, im not against complexity, im against whenever im done with the easter egg Id have to repeat the setup, I don’t have all the time in the world, make it electively to choose from both

[@smileyattitude6807]

Irvin’s is my absolute favorite map!! I used to play it all the time as a kid and then when I got old enough I got it for my ps5 spent months grinding beat the Easter egg and felt complete! I even love to play it for fun!! First Easter egg I ever beat with friends and it makes me want to do them all

[@toxiclaw7591]

Wake up, babe, your alarm went off 10 minutes ago

[@andresjmb2038]

Amazing video dude