How Did God Create the World through His Son? | Episode 176

[@NaeemHammond]

Love the points being made. We all need to hide this in our heart and deliver to those the world

[@TheMbudzeni]

God through Isaiah "Thus says the Lord, the King of Israel, And his Redeemer, the Lord of hosts:‘I am the First and I am the Last; Besides Me there is no God." Isaiah 44:6 Jesus through John in Revelation: "I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End, the First and the Last.” - Revelation 22:13

[@hargisP2]

And there can not be two first and last.

[@teodoradraper1447]

Excellent explanation, concise and clear. How could anyone miss this TRUTH!

[@derrickpurdy7011]

They don't miss this truth, they outright reject it.

[@Apostolic337]

Because Jesus is God, very simple 😊

[@realmccoy124]

Yes. This is very Trinitarian. For in Him dwelt all the fullness of the godhead bodily.

[@mloy1915]

that’s right Jesus is God,Jesus is the Son, so Jesus the Son is God!

[@richardbrown7441]

God bless you brother and thank you I'm listening more and more

[@jerryscott5545]

Bishop Bernard this is absolutely wonderful teaching and detailed explanation of a biblical concept that is so rich!! 💥🔥 It takes God’s continued (progressive) revelations of HIMSELF to us (Humanity) in order for us to properly know Him. This knowledge is seen in the face of Jesus Christ, the visible image of the invisible God!! So powerful, love it!! 🥰 ❤

[@comingverysoon]

Bro. Bernard, IMO, out of all of your short videos, this is the best one on the nature of God.

[@aaronabeytia]

Excellent teaching by Dr. Bernard! God has blessed his ministry greatly.

[@Jonmarcus-i7f]

One God his person Jesus Christ One God his body sits between the cherbums Jesus lord God Gods one person Jesus Christ One God 1 Timothy 2:5 His body of a man sitt between the cheribubs Lord God Jesus Jesus lord God Jesus he one God of the heaven and Earth

[@AlmaLukingan]

Perfectly explained,thank you Can you discuss about dispensations too starting from the beginning up to this present.

[@marlonbantug8038]

Thank you Dr/ ptr DKB for the explanation. GOD bless you both and this podcast.

[@billiesmith1416]

Powerful and True Word Of God. Love these Podcasts

[@NewCreatureActs2-38]

This was such a an awesome explanation and breakdown of the Son of God. Thank you so much for this podcast Brother Bernard. Your teaching ministry is such a blessing. I pray God continues to bless you and use you to continue to bless others and be a blessing to others until the final number of the church come into the heavenly fold in Jesus loving, mighty faithful name 🙏

[@Kingjames-z7u]

This Channel blesses us enormously by the quality of the teachings given there. But i have a suggestion, could you facilitate the generation of french subtitles in order to also allow believers who are not english speakers but french speakers to understand the teachings that you offer.

[@nelsonstiveens5140]

@@Kingjames-z7u I want Spanish language

[@luishernandez8562]

Thank you Jesus this was so simple to understand for it was well explained

[@sergiospina9562]

Amen Doctor Bernard

[@chrispurvis1719]

Very good teaching amen!!

[@Steve_IkI]

Jesus is His Name. Amen!

[@bretmavrick-ph2ip]

Can you give your thoughts on Proverbs, 30:4

[@tweekthaklown5713]

God is the "I AM" not the "We Are."

[@christcenter915]

If God started becoming a human at the incarnation, then when did he complete himself becoming a man? God now is a glorified resurrected man.

[@Jason-sv7cg]

fantastic.

[@bretmavrick-ph2ip]

DKB, please include, prov, 30:4 in your teaching😮😮

[@JoseTorres-qc4vc]

He has answered that scripture in his books.

[@christcenter915]

What's the difference between the old testament prophet receiving the Holy Spirit, and the difference between we who received the Holy Spirit at Pentecost? Big difference..

[@apocryphanow]

So what would he say about Psalm 33:6 "By the Word of the Lord, the heavens were made."?

[@Kingjames-z7u]

@@apocryphanow my dear friend the word of God and God are not 2 distinct persons, the word of God and God are only one and the same person. This how you and your own word you are not 2 beings. You cannot insult a person for a example idiot and then say that it is not you but your word that insulted him, it does not work like that. Because your word is yourself and it is on the basis of your word that you will be judged before the judge. It is on the basis of our words that we are judged before the courts and tribunals, because our words are ourselves.

[@Human-Earth]

@@Kingjames-z7u Trinity concepts make people unable to understand this Unfortunately! I came from oneness faith backgrounds and I was surprised to find such Christianity’s belief…! ✝️🕊️

[@HeWhoHasSeenMe]

@@Kingjames-z7u And if we speak one way but believe another? If we confess with our mouths the Lord Jesus but in our hearts do not believe that God raised Him from the dead? Until Christ is fully formed in us all, -james

[@hargisP2]

It is very easy if you quit adding your opinion to scripture, and take off the trinitarian glasses. Genesis says that God Spoke, He said let there be light. When you speak you use words.

[@hargisP2]

⁠ John 2:19 KJVS Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up. Notice Jesus said “I” @@HeWhoHasSeenMe. .

[@EnochAtheIntellectual]

Happy 100th comment!

[@RanDom-kc4lp]

There are millions of upci members in the world, how come, this channel is not growing nor increasing the number of view.

[@Kingjames-z7u]

Because not all members of upci are english speakers, others are french speakers. If the chanel designer can facilitate the translation into french, this will allow the channel to grow.

[@hargisP2]

@RanDom How come you don’t have more subscribers? This Channel has 60,000+. You are looking at viewers for one video. Plus this is for outreach. UPCI members already know this. It is for informing others about our belief.

[@davidward5225]

He is the Word (John 1); God created and sustains all things by his Word. That’s how God created thru the son.

[@christcenter915]

If the Father is in the son giving him life, then how is the son in the Father?

[@revamp6612]

Easy answer. The Son/ man was in the Father/Spirit. And Father/Spirit was in the Man/Son. God being an omnipresent Spirit fills the heaven and earth. Yet that spirit was in that man.

[@jackiet5334]

There's a tall two-story cedar tree outside our window. It's high main trunk splits into three smaller trunks halfway up. I look at this and see ONE tree, but nature decides that it has split into three. Even though it has three separate growths, does not mean that it is 3 trees. It is still ONE tree. They all come from the One tree that feeds them from the root. The tree is one tree, but has three parts. Just because God in His infinite knowledge and being decides that He is ONE, but may have two extensions of himself which is part of him, doesn't mean we can just rationalize about who He is or isn't.

[@revamp6612]

Only problem is trinitarians believe if one of the 3 is missing it’s no longer God. Like if a triangle is missing a corner it’s no longer a triangle. A tree is still a tree if a branch gets chopped. This tree analogy doesn’t work for the trinity.

[@jackiet5334]

@@revamp6612 I was using that analogy because even in God's creation, there are living organisms that can start out as One organism and split into different parts. God can do the same and still be One God.

[@revamp6612]

@@jackiet5334 again that analogy doesn’t really work as I have pointed out. I would go further to point out that each branch alone is not a tree. It’s just a branch.

[@hargisP2]

@@jackiet5334 So you get your theology from a Tree? Very unbiblical, and very weak argument.

[@christcenter915]

God created all things by the knowledge of himself becoming his own son..He would die buried, resurrect himself, then inherit all things in heaven and earth as glorified son of God - son of man, who is both the Father and the son at the same time.

[@nelsonstiveens5140]

¿Hermano Bernard que quiere decir que la iglesia es universal y que también es local? ¿O visible e invisible?

[@claudiozanella256]

The POWER of God created the world, not the Son "the world has not known you".

[@tbh5207]

Brother Bernard... When God appeared to Abram/Abraham did He appear as Jesus? If not, what does the original text describe? Was He an angel, a form of human but a different look than Jesus? Please help me understand...this has been a question I've pondered for a very long time. I'm conte t to wait til I meet the Lord but would appreciate any wisdom you can share...thank you, God bless. Salem, Oregon

[@sergiospina9562]

I can tell you what I understood through the guidance of the Holy Spirit and through the confirmation that the prophetic writings give, the Malak of the covenant called the angel of the eternal is a theophany in which God descended in his own name, in fact in Exodus three the malak from the burning bush said that he heard the cry of slavery of his people and "came down" elsewhere it is written that in the Malak there is the name of God, so yes, if Jesus is the image of the invisible God and whoever saw Christ saw the father, even as regards this particular theophany of God it is the same thing, even if we are talking about a manifestation outside the incarnation, in a spiritual messenger, to confirm this you can go and read Malachi 3:1 where it says that the Lord, the angel of the covenant will enter his temple, immediately after John the Baptist, therefore the scripture identifies Jesus Christ in his incarnation with the same Angel of the covenant who is the one who appeared to Moses in the burning bush.

[@naseemsaliba3723]

Hello. The shape of the angel of God in the old testament doesn't matter if he looks like Jesus. Nowadays we don't have the shape of Jesus. We worship in spirit and truth not in flesh.

[@doctorflush878]

How many books has that guy written? Is he #1 in the upci?

[@nelsonstiveens5140]

Como 40 obras.

[@doctorflush878]

@@nelsonstiveens5140 so in ibc you must do book reports of his book ..

[@derrickpurdy7011]

I asked a trinitarian point blank once what the name of Jesus was prior to the Incarnation. His answer: YHWH. I pressed him further by saying I didn't ask him about a name for God, I had asked him about a name for Jesus prior to the Incarnation. He had no response. The reality with trinitarians is they know that they are wrong, but they will never acknowledge it.

[@realmccoy124]

So. Let’s look at what the OT tells us about God… we have Elohim Yahweh - whom in the NT we would call him Father, but, no Jew in antiquity would dare to call Him as such… Then, we have the Davar Yahweh - the Word or action of God … and of course we have Ruach Yahweh. We need to ask ourselves - as you believe - would in stand in the Ancient Judaic Mind? Then we have the NT - where we find ‘ego emini’ - I AM… Logos (Word) and of course we have Pneumos (Wind)… which the NT writers were correlating to the Judaic teachings… Oh, and we mustn’t forget Chokhmah of the OT - and in the NT - Sophos… We see that Wisdom came down …. There is only One saving name - Jesus Christ - who is the only True God - who was sent down for our sakes and our salvation… when I say ‘Our Father’ - I am speaking to the ego emini… the Great I AM… Elohim Yahweh… The Righteousness of God - is not an abstract thing… rather the Righteousness of God is a person - the Wisdom from all ages - who was sent down and dwelt among us… Jesus Christ is the express image of God …. We see the Father, who reveals Himself to us - who calls us unto Himself - through his dear Son… and enables us by the Holy Spirit. So. This Trinitarian knows precisely in Whom I believe… and I know how I believe … I also know - that how most Oneness Pentecostals would assert their teachings - as IAW Deut 6:4… Ancient Judaism would entirely reject. Trust you are well. Lovingly, Cuthbert.

[@revamp6612]

We’ve been this route. The false god. Dagon was also Elohim there wasn’t multiple Dagons. Among many false gods. Elohim doesn’t prove multiple persons. The same way it doesn’t prove multiple persons for Dagon.

[@By_grace_through_faith24]

This proves nothing. Jesus means Yahweh saves. Jesus is also Yahweh, because He is God. What answer are you looking for? Oneness Pentecostals don’t understand what Trinitarians actually believe so they make assumptions and then act arrogant.

[@derrickpurdy7011]

@@By_grace_through_faith24 Of course it proves nothing. To you. I'm not presumptuous enough to believe that I can convince a trinitarian such as yourself of the truth of Oneness. Feel free to carry on.

[@revamp6612]

@@By_grace_through_faith24 we actually understand. If you knew your own trinitarian beliefs you’d know why he asked that question. Since it’s 3 co eternal persons.

[@DAVIDLEGGETT777]

Daniel 3:25 King James Bible He answered and said, Lo, I see four men loose, walking in the midst of the fire, and they have no hurt; and the form of the fourth is like the Son of God. How did the king know about the Son of God back then ? This must be pointing to the fact that Jesus always was, and much later Jesus says "I come in my Father's name". (This is saying Jesus is GOD Almighty). One more example, remember Jesus saying in John 8:58 New King James Version (NKJV) Jesus said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM.” There is none greater oh HALLELUJAH amen and amen 🙌

[@hargisP2]

Pagan religions had God’s and sons of Gods. He certainly never heard of Jesus.

[@revamp6612]

It’s called prophecy.🤦🏽‍♂️

[@harikrishnanjoseph305]

God himself manifested as a son of god for us oniy. For mankind so when God go back heaven as a father' oniiy. The same one person

[@aminking007]

I have a question . Did you really say the Son is not God? But then why is written in the Bible : 1. John 5:20 20 And we know that the Son of God has come and has given us an understanding, that we may know Him who is true; and we are in Him who is true, in His Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God and eternal life.

[@derrickpurdy7011]

No, he didn't.

[@davidcoleman5860]

Because the person in the Son is God. Flesh as flesh isn't God by definition because God is Spirit. It's the person in the flesh that is God. So, the Son is called God in that sense.

[@aminking007]

@@davidcoleman5860 thank you so much this really makes sense and I believe that so too! Lord bless you for your words ! Really a blessing to me !

[@tariqhaddad7298]

The beginning of the text says that:- "GOD, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets". Who are meant by fathers here?, Are they the ancestors of the Jews?, or from Adam to the tribes. - In the first case, GOD spoke to the prophets and the prophets were transmitted to the ancestors, so HE did not speak to the ancestors since the prophets were intermediaries. - As for the second case from Adam to the tribes, they are actually called fathers and GOD spoke to them directly in divers manners, all of which are appearances, HE appeared walking to Adam, and appeared to Abraham as a human being and to Jacob and Moses as an Angel of the LORD and to the tribes in a pillar of cloud and a pillar of fire by the prophets, that is, as the Holy Book mentioned. In the last days HE spoke to us by His Son, that is, GOD the Father appeared through His Son and spoke to us.

[@chetanpaulr]

So you conclude that "the prophets" mentioned plurally was preincarnate Jesus Christ? It's illogical to me, what i understood is that God spoke in divers manners not only by the prophets but to the prophets and the father, the subjects are the Fathers and the prophets not only fathers so what the verse actually says is that God spoke in divers manners in sundry times to the prophets, and also by the prophets we should selah after the father's, so the subjects are whoever God spoke to in times past be it to the fathers or by the prophets in divers manners

[@tariqhaddad7298]

@@chetanpaulr Thank you for your comment, my brother, by visualizing the text doesn't speak of morality but of apparitions and the evidence that the Father spoke to us in his Son as the apparent GOD in the flesh, so the prophets mentioned in the Holy Scriptures how GOD spoke to the Fathers when HE appeared to them, and that GOD the Father appeared in the Son and spoke to us.

[@anthonydouglas4793]

The consistent theme throughout the altered versions of the Scriptures are the changes made to things being done BY Jesus as against being done THROUGH Him. The KJV (King James authorizedversion) always says BY and not THROUGH. This alteration is very subtle, but very significant.

[@HeWhoHasSeenMe]

Greetings! I respectfully disagree with you. "By" has more than one meaning, for example: by /bī/ preposition 1. identifying the agent performing an action. 2. indicating the means of achieving something. The alternate definition is equivalent to "by means of," which equates with "through." Granted, a trinitarian will read "the agent performing an action" into the text, but that is just a doctrinal bias, better known as eisegesis. Until Christ is fully formed in us all, -james

[@titus3765]

Not sure if I’m hearing you correctly? You asked "did Jesus exist before the incarnation?" Are you suggesting JESUS didn't exist before he was born in Bethlehem? Jesus said, “before Abraham was, I am” and Micah 5:2 “But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting.” God is a Spirit and “The LORD (JESUS’) is THAT SPIRIT."

[@RevAndySmith]

The flesh didn’t exist before the incarnation, His Spirit has always existed. Jesus is Gods Spirit manifested in flesh.

[@nelsonstiveens5140]

Jesús es el mismo Dios eterno, Dios era la Voz Creadora del principio.

[@edwardgeorge8232]

The Bible also says He’s the firstborn of all creation

[@davidcoleman5860]

Yes, it does. And your point? The term "firstborn" doesn't necessarily imply "the first person born in a series." According to Psalm 89:27, God promised to make David His firstborn, and He defines in the next clause what He means: David would be higher than the kings of the Earth. David was neither the first son born of Jesse, nor was he the first person born of humanity. "Firstborn," thus, carries the idea of preeminence. So, in God's eternal plan and foreknowledge, He intended to exalt the man Christ Jesus to a preeminent position above all creation. As the lamb was slain from the foundation of the world, so was Christ exalted. This is not speaking of a literal second person who was created prior to the Universe.

[@edwardgeorge8232]

@@davidcoleman5860 never said it was referring to a second person. I attended an apostolic bible college and I have my own view of what the one God of the Bible is and how He’s described in scripture. My point is before creation before the beginning Elohim created an Image for Himself. He is the true Light. The Light that shone in the darkness and the darkness comprehended it not. That’s the Word.

[@davidcoleman5860]

@@edwardgeorge8232 I would have to see far more evidence from Scripture before considering that a tenable assertion. As it stands, "firstborn" does not force that conclusion.

[@edwardgeorge8232]

@@davidcoleman5860 “search the scriptures” that’s what the Bible says to do. Study the original Greek and Hebrew. Look up the word “Word” in the beginning was the “Word” or Logos in the Greek.

[@edwardgeorge8232]

@@davidcoleman5860 in context of Him being the firstborn of creation He is the firstborn of the dead. But He also made an image for Himself otherwise what image would we have been created in in Genesis 1:26.

[@SuperLivingword]

Well, how did God create everything that was created through Jesus Christ. 1. John 1:1 In the beginning was the WORD, and the Word was with God And the Word was God. The Word as long as it was NOT spoken, it is dormant and inactive. The moment the Word was spoken, it became active and began the process of creation. Genesis 1:3 Then God said, " let there be light ". The moment God spoke the Word, the Word became active and the process of creation started. The light came in to existence. After that the creation story began.

[@sd5269]

Have you ever considered that the man Christ Jesus was always there from the beginning? How about the literal words of the Bible? We are saying in this video that God cannot transcend time and He cannot physically know his human son before his son was born. However, he knew Jeremiah before Jeremiah was born. Could it be that we are inconsistent and that’s why we can’t get our message perfectly across to the Trinitarian? Why can’t we just say God made everything by for and through the man Christ Jesus? Why do we have to go around saying he made everything by for and through himself? I think the true first century oneness teaching was God inside Jesus. Not God as Jesus or God alongside Jesus as Incarnationists teach. Trins teach God the Son. Modern oneness teaches God the son. The only difference between the two are capital letters on son. They are ruled by the Roman Catholic Church. Think about it. Also, God made Adam in the likeness of his human son that he never actually met? Again, the creator of time cannot transcend time? We are going around telling everybody that God predicted instead of foreknew the son. We don’t allow ourselves to see the prophecies of the son in present tense as they were written in Psalm 22 and Psalm 2. We clearly see God transcending time. In Psalm 2, God is observing his son being begotten that day. And Psalm 22 he is observing his son on the cross. We teach that Jesus was quoting Psalm 22 but actually Psalm 22 was quoting Jesus. I don’t think we understand God very well. One last thing. The sacrifices from Abel unto the end of the millennial was a memorial to Jesus. The man Christ Jesus was slain from the foundation of the world. God witness did himself. He broadcasted what He witnessed to us in Psalm 22. It was not just a prophecy, but it was actuality to God who transcends time. If God does not transcend time, then time rules over God. Take your pic.

[@jackiet5334]

If I were stuck alone on a remote island and had never read a bible, but found one lying on the sand, and read it through, I still wouldn't come to Dr. Bernard's conclusions. Call me under-educated or simple, but when reading the bible, without outside doctrinal interferences, I would still believe scripture that there is our Heavenly Father and His Son Jesus Christ, who He sent. God understands that many have the incapacity to understand allthe mysteries of God. To me, if He says "His beloved Son" then I believe He has a Son, and my only carnal understanding of Father and Son is just that.......Father and Son. This obsessiive need by Oneness teachers to harangue other doctrinal believers about the Godhead gets many weary and confused. Wouldn't it be better to show Christ to the world, act like Him, and just let the Holy Spirit teach and guide every believer? All those centuries with all the arguments, and STILL..........Jesus Christ is the Head of HIS church and nothing can come against it. He has every ability to protect His Church, despite the Oneness or Trinitarian view. I still pray that the UPCI realizes they do no good to separate themselves from other true believers. The "I am right and you are wrong" attitude doesn't equip or encourage.

[@davidcoleman5860]

You're attacking a straw man. Elder Bernard wasn't "haranguing" anybody. He was simply answering a Bible question. Trinitarians will often "refute" our doctrine by citing biblical passages like Hebrews 1. We simply let the Bible define itself. Now, you refer to being stuck on a remote island and doubting that you would come to the conclusions that we do on critical passages. Well, if you won't accept what we say, would you respect what trinitarian apologist, James White, has said about the matter? He has more than once stated that the significant majority of Evangelical believers have a modalist concept of the Godhead. Now, think about that. These Evangelicals are not Oneness converts. They were either converted from the world into their churches or raised therein. Not being subject to Oneness "propaganda," they nonetheless continue to see God through a modalist lens and not through a trinitarian one. Moreover, Latin Trinitarianism represents the significant majority of Trinitarian theology in the world. However, it has been criticized by Social Trinitarians like William Lane Craig (noted apologist and defender of theism) as being modalistic! In other words, if these trinitarian critics are correct, the majority of Christians worldwide are _de facto_ Modalists! So, even if your remote island experience wouldn't lead you to the Oneness conclusion, many, many people who were never exposed to Oneness Pentecostalism nevertheless see the Godhead in similar terms. However, your later comments seem to indicate that your main beef is with our soteriological stance. Instead of "haranguing" us about being separate from other "true believers" (as if that could persuade us to abandon clear biblical teaching), bring biblical reasons why our stance is incorrect. I would guess that your comments are based on what you think the Bible "really" teaches, but if you can insist on biblical conformity, then you lack the warrant to criticize other "true believers" for doing the same.

[@jn5962]

It is a serious error to say Jesus did not exist until he was born on earth. John 17:5 (NLT) "Now, Father, bring me into the glory we shared before the world began." • Jesus certainly existed in the person of "Son of God". • He even shared glory with his Father, actually well before this (our) world existed. • And yes, the LORD God created, and He created everything through the Son of God. There's a horrific revelation concerning believers who believe this error: • They cannot claim to know Jesus Christ, the Savior sent by God. • Without Jesus, they cannot come to know God, the Father. (Jn 14:6) • Not knowing the only true God and Jesus Christ, they have no eternal life. (Jn 17:3) They are thus certainly not saved, but are living in a state of delusion.

[@ReformedBluegrasser]

Good response. This video is gross heresy and blasphemy.

[@joerod5621]

Luke 1:35 kjv states the THING that shall be born shall be called the son of God! God sired a son! Only begotten!! One of a kind! That’s why the man could pray this is Eternal Life! J17:3 God had revealed himself in the flesh! The word became flesh J1:14 and lived amongst us! Yes bro not a second divine person! Who has preformed it and done this, calling forth all generations from the beginning! Isaiah 41:4 This would include Jesus!

[@JoshuaNguyen-fr4kk]

Jesus was not the eternal son of God in the beginning any believe that he was the son of God before he became man. but this theory not truth. he was God in beginning .john 1:1-3 .and he was equal with God in the beginning .Philippians 2:5----. how was he the son ? he became the son .or he was begotten through marry .john 3:16 say God give his only begotten Son .the word begotten (born) born of marry .he was not born before he becomes a man . LORD I pray you open the eyes of your children so they can see the truth .

[@jomerorobia4140]

Peace be with you. That is the big problem of theologian. They can't believe because it is not written in ink. Like Jesus testimony his Father is the only true God. Because Jesus also testify that he is the beginning of the creation of God and he is also the last creation of God, because through him all are created by God, means Jesus is the creator of heaven and earth. And that is also why Jesus is the "only begotten" Son of God. My advice to all people, know first who is you true beginning or creator.

[@nickcontino1033]

Regardless of what side you land on with this, please take some time to consider the Christology that you are committing to. If you’re comfortable with defining “Son of God” as strictly referring to the dwelling of God in the incarnation, then you end up committing to a position that there is a beginning and an ending to the Son of God as such. Dr. Bernard even argues for this in his books. Practically, this view sees God as transforming into a man for a time and then, after uniting the redeemed world back to God, returning back into God (with the provision that God reserves the ability to transform into a man at any time as a sufficient, though not necessary revelation of who He is). Personally, this Christology explains a lot of what appears to be mysterious in the Bible (like the opening passage of Hebrews), but it creates a new mystery to contend with. I.e. what will the revelation of God be once the revelation of the Son of God has ended?

[@davidcoleman5860]

Hello again, Nick! I hope all is well with you. Not all Oneness Pentecostals believe that God transformed Himself into a man. If God is immutable, then that would be impossible. The burning bush manifested God, but the bush qua bush was not God. God appeared in a whirlwind, but the dust and oxygen, as such, were not God. Similarly, God's flesh temple isn't God, and it won't be annihilated when redemption is complete. Even though the office will terminate, the body of Christ will not.

[@davidcoleman5860]

Hello again, Nick! I hope all is well with you. Not all Oneness Pentecostals believe that God morphed into a man. If God is immutable, then that would be impossible. The burning bush manifested God, but the bush qua bush was not God. God appeared in a whirlwind, but the dust and oxygen, as such, were not God. Similarly, God's flesh temple isn't God, and it won't be annihilated when redemption is complete. Even though the office will terminate, the body of Christ will not.

[@billcollins2798]

Hello, Nick. Not all Oneness Pentecostals believe that God morphed into a man. If God is immutable, that would be impossible. The burning bush manifested God, but the bush qua bush was not God. God appeared in a whirlwind, but the dust and oxygen, as such, we're not God. Similarly, God's flesh temple isn't God, and it won't be annihilated when redemption is complete. Even though the office will terminate, the body of Christ will not.

[@HeWhoHasSeenMe]

@@davidcoleman5860 Greetings, David! I disagree with your explanation. Perhaps you could clarify what you mean by "office"? Are you saying that the Son was not a true man, but "Son of God" is just an "office"? Thank you for any light you might shed on your statements. Until Christ is fully formed in us all, -james

[@davidcoleman5860]

@@HeWhoHasSeenMe Hello! When considering Jesus, we consider both the human life (nature) and the purpose of the Sonship. There is the identity of the Son and the role of the Son: _1 John 3_ _8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil._ There is coming a day when redemption's work will be complete---when literally the last person will be saved. Thus, evangelism, prayer for the lost and the new birth will come to an end. That “role” or function will cease. That's what we mean by the office of Sonship. Jesus will no longer make intercession for the saints because their earthly sojourn will have ended. However, the Son will not cease to exist. God will continue to be expressed in the face of Jesus Christ everlastingly. He will always be the visible expression of the invisible God (2 Cor. 4:6; Heb. 1:3).

[@demluntouthang5365]

🔥𝐀𝐦𝐞𝐧! 𝐏𝐫𝐚𝐢𝐬𝐞 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐋𝐎𝐑𝐃 🙏

[@elshaddai-jn723]

How oneness misinterpreted God's word, Jesus is same yesterday, today and forever, They coated Isaiah 9:6 Jesus is eternal Father but this word was for Son God, in this video David saying Jesus is not eternal son, how heresy they are, oneness have their another Jesus, their Jesus is not Crucified Jesus, their Jesus is another Jesus which Paul mention in 2 Corinthian 11:3-5,

[@mloy1915]

An Eternal Father by definition would necessitate an Eternal Son

[@collin501]

Does scripture say God was father in eternity past?

[@mloy1915]

@ Matthew 11:27 (“All things have been handed over to me by my Father,” ESV), and John 16:15 (“All that belongs to the Father is mine,” NIV). Early Church Fathers were attracted to these verses because of the “all.” Athanasius argued that if the Father has everlastingness, eternality, and immortality, and if the Father has given “all” that He has to the Son, then the Son must possess these attributes as well, and He must possess them eternally, otherwise He would not really possess everlastingness, eternality, and immortality!

[@collin501]

@@mloy1915 that makes sense. But I wonder if that’s really necessitated. Like this verse. It says “granted” which doesn’t seem to have an eternal sense, but something in time. When I think of eternally begotten I think nature, not decision. I don’t see this in line with Athanasius’ thinking “For as the Father has life in himself, so he has granted the Son also to have life in himself. And he has given him authority to execute judgment, because he is the Son of Man.” ‭‭John‬ ‭5‬:‭26‬-‭27‬ ‭ Also, aren’t we supposed to be given eternal life? What’s the difference?

[@Wheelcooldiecast]

Incarnation..a non biblical word borrowed from Trinitarianism

[@AtheismDefeated]

Heb 1:2, 2 Cor 5:19, John 1:1-14, John 20:28, 1 Tim 3:16, Titus 2:13, Rev 1:7-8, do you need any more?

[@realmccoy124]

So. If I am understanding Dr Bernard correctly - Mary is the Mother of God - or did the JWs and the Unitarians get it right… and Jesus was just a creature infused with Spirit of God… but wasn’t actually God?

[@davidcoleman5860]

You clearly don't understand anything about the Oneness doctrine if you think we deny the deity of Jesus. And the phrase "mother of God" is commonly misunderstood by detractors. Those who are comfortable with the phrase _do not_ believe that Mary created God or that God has an efficient cause. The phrase was designed to deny, in part, Nestorianism and to affirm that the one who was born was God in flesh. It's no different than saying that God died on the cross in the person of Christ.

[@realmccoy124]

@@davidcoleman5860 - thanks for your response. Mary is the Theotokos - the God bearer - and this term of endearment was expressed long before the rise of the Nestorian heresy who began referring her as the Christotokos - because Nestorianism did reject the teachings of Church - who lessened Christ God to a man infused with the spirit of God. Salvation is created with the Son of God becomes the Son of the Virgin. An example of modern day Nestorianism is the Australian Bishop Mar Mari whose fame spread during Covid on TikTok.

[@davidcoleman5860]

@@realmccoy124 Yes, most certainly, _theotokos_ originated prior to Chalcedon. It appeared that Nestorius challenged that, so the position of "God bearer" was reaffirmed. Nonetheless, whether one is a Latin, Eastern or Social Trinitarian, relegating the consciousness and will of Jesus to the human nature unavoidably extends to two persons, whether or not it is expressly denied in creedal statements. A person is a substance with a rational nature. Clearly, the human nature of Jesus, as defined by Trinitarians, could be ignorant of facts and could learn. These are not attributes of God.

[@realmccoy124]

@@davidcoleman5860 - you are correct. The fullness of the godhead is displayed in Christ God. I clearly DO know the teachings of the UPCI … and how it closely aligns with the Montantist movement … along with the Bishop Sabellius - who, like Nestorius, Arius, did also present teachings that were not in agreement with the teachings and traditions of the Church. Christ is our true God… but, I don’t think you will find a scripture that says ‘God died on the Cross’…. But you will find Scripture that says Christ died for us. The Creed - which is generally ignored by OP folks… defends the deity of Christ against Arianism and Nestorianism - it also defends the Faith from Rome’s innovation.

[@davidcoleman5860]

@@realmccoy124 1 John 3:16 states, "Hereby perceive we the love _of God,_ because he laid down his life for us: and we ought to lay down _our_ lives for the brethren." Though the words "of God" are not in the Greek text, it is clearly implied given the general context of said chapter (cf. vss. 1-2). I will give you, however, that most Apostolic ministers abjure statements like "mother of God" or "God died for us" due to the perceived nod to Catholic or Eastern theology. I have argued with my fellow Oneness ministers that such a concern is ill-founded. If we believe that Jesus is God, then most certainly Mary is the mother of God, and God died for us in the person of Christ. Now, since we're not Trinitarian, we do not recognize the authority of any Catholic/Orthodox creed. We may happen to agree with a statement here and there, and will state so when the occasion arises, but that doesn't imply that we recognize the authority of the entire creed or of the body which produced it.

[@Sketchup-fe6ef]

All seems very sound teaching, except to say that Jesus was not a second people is crazy, Jesus was a second person, Jesus had his own will. Person have wills, Clearly Jesus is a second person. Just because the god and the lamb are n the throne does not make them one person, God let Jesus sit on his throne and Jesus said that the believer who overcomes will one day sit on the same throne.

[@tbow8954]

You are good at gymnastics. Jesus is God. Yes. Jesus is the Son, not the Father. God is one. Yes. He however is three in one. Example. Genesis 2, he refers to himself in the plural. Baptism of Jesus, all three present in that moment. And to be manifest, is not to be fully something. Jesus is God in the flesh. The Father is a spirit. The father never leaves heaven. Jesus in Revelation 5 opens the book that the Father is holding. You are so entirely wrong. The use of ownership and personal language to describe and actual son and Father. Also, they can't just be "titles." If God is one and only one in your theology. How can he be his own son and his own father, if not for having a distinction of persons in his Godhead? You are beyond lost on this entire subject.

[@GrannyMae]

What do you do with Isaiah 9:6 prophecy of Jesus birth? It clearly states He would be "the everlasting FATHER".

[@lawrence1152]

@@GrannyMae to add to that: maleachi 2,10 also says that we have only ONE FATHER.

[@asfaw2002]

GOD is not three. HE is always 1. Trinity is simply a pagan depiction of God, adopted by Catholic doctrine. The Bible doesn't speak 3 godheads. See deutronomy 6:4; John 1.

[@rosegatdula5690]

For "there are" ( plural) three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and THESE (plural) three ARE ( plural) one. Someone tried to remove this verse in the bible... he probably know this is the attribute of the God of the bible... but we will only know that true God is a triune God by divine revelation! I know the God i serve is a triune God because... THE BIBLE TELLS ME SO.❤❤❤

[@Republican_Banana]

​@@rosegatdula5690 These three are what? One?

[@edgaribarra1713]

He totally misrepresents the Biblical teaching of the Triune nature of God. He has to engage in inventive gymnastics to explain the obvious Triune truth in Hebrews 1. Jehovah God said, "Let us make man in our image". Who is us? The Trinity. Not the angels. Not one person, because the text says "us", plural. The Hebrew we translate for God is Elohim, which is plural, not singular. The more he explains Heb. 1, the digger hole he digs. His explanation makes no sense

[@realmccoy124]

Absolute rubbish. Once again, Dr Bernard does NOT state the Dogma of the Trinity - he states something entirely other than - a doctrine that is found outside the teachings and traditions of the One True Faith. What he describes is a refutation of a wind of doctrine that’s found along side the Oneness offshoot in the sea of Heterodoxy. Once again, he explains away the Scriptures with rational thought mindset of a good Protestant.

[@hargisP2]

Show the scripture that have the words Trinity, triune, three in one. The trinity doctrine is outside of scripture. One God The Greek word Kai is translated as and, it is John 17:11 in the Greek text. I will remain in the world no longer, but they are still in the world, and I am coming to you. Holy Father, protect them by the power of your name, the name you gave me, so that they may be one as we are one. Jesus = YHVH Even or that is. The word And does not mean another person. Matt 28:19 says NAME singular which is Jesus. All you have to do is read through acts and notice when they mentioned baptism. Jesus is considered the Lamb of God, the King of Kings, the Lion of the tribe of Judah, the High Priest. And you believe that, but you don’t believe that One God can be all of that and more. Isaiah 44:6-8 KJVS [6] Thus saith the Lord the King of Israel, and his redeemer the Lord of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God. [7] And who, as I, shall call, and shall declare it, and set it in order for me, since I appointed the ancient people? and the things that are coming, and shall come, let them shew unto them. [8] Fear ye not, neither be afraid: have not I told thee from that time, and have declared it ? ye are even my witnesses. Is there a God beside me? yea, there is no God; I know not any. Revelation 1:7-8 KJVS [7] Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen. [8] I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty. There can’t be two first and last. Isaiah 9:6 KJVS [6] For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. Why is Jesus called / Identified as the Mighty God, and the everlasting Father? 1 Timothy 3:16 KJVS [16] And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory. God put on flesh, and became as a man. Colossians 2:8-9 KJVS [8] Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ. [9] For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. Jude 1:25 KJVS [25] To the only wise God our Saviour, be glory and majesty, dominion and power, both now and ever. Amen. All that God is resides in the Body of Jesus. Acts 20:28 (NKJV) 28 Therefore take heed to yourselves and to all the flock, among which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers, to shepherd the church of God which He purchased with His own blood. God is Spirit. How does a Spirit have blood? There is no remission of sin without the shedding of blood. So God produced a human body to be sacrificed for the payment of sin for all. Well over 300 times the singular pronoun is used when speaking of God. The Greek Τριάδα is translated trinity. Not once is it used by the Apostles, nor of the OT writers. The OT is clear that ONE God was taught, then after the Apostles died He changed His mind? Mark 12:29 KJVS And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord: Zechariah 12:10 (KJV) 10 And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon ME whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn. Who was pierced? Zechariah 14:9 (NKJV) 9 And the LORD shall be King over all the earth. In that day it shall be- “The LORD is one,” And His name one. John 20:26-28 (KJV) 26 And after eight days again his disciples were within, and Thomas with them: then came Jesus, the doors being shut, and stood in the midst, and said, Peace be unto you. 27 Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing. 28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God. John 14:21 KJVS He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him. The ONE GOD comes by revelation as you seek to Know Him instead of your own understanding. Mark 12:32 KJVS And the scribe said unto him, Well, Master, thou hast said the truth: for there is one God; and there is none other but he: Notice the pronoun He not them. Jewish religion only taught strict monotheism. Trinity is not monotheism.

[@hargisP2]

ONE GOD IN JESUS Who is JESUS?..He is God.. JESUS shall be called, Em-man-uel, which being interpreted is, God with us. Matthew 1:23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Em-man- uel, which being interpreted is, God with us. Matthew 1:23 WHO IS JESUS? OLD TESTAMENT - NEW TESTAMENT Genesis 1:1 (God is the Creator) - John 1:3-10 (Jesus is the Creator) Genesis 17:1 (The Almighty is God) - Rev. 1:8 (Jesus is the Almighty) Exodus 3:14 (The "I am is God) - John 8:58 (Jesus is the "I am") Deut. 10:17(The Lord of Lords is God) - Rev. 19:16 (Jesus is Lord of Lords) Psalms 18:31 (The Rock is God) - I Corinthians 10:4 (Jesus is the Rock) Psalms 146:10 (God shall reign forever)- Luke 1:33 (Jesus will reign forever) Isaiah 40:11 (The Shepherd is God) - John 10:16 (Jesus is the Shepherd) Isaiah 41:14 (The Redeemer is God) - Luke 1:68 (Jesus is the Redeemer) Isaiah 43:10 (God said, “I am he”) - John 8:24 (Jesus said, “I am he”) Isaiah 43:10,11 (God is the Saviour) - Luke 2:11 (Jesus is the Saviour) Isaiah 43:15 (The Holy One is God) - Acts 3:14 (Jesus is the Holy One) Isaiah 43:15(God is King of Israel) - Matt. 27:37(Jesus is King of Israel) Isaiah 45:21 (The One Saviour is God) - Acts 4:12 (Jesus is the One Saviour) Isaiah 43:10,11(God is the only Saviour)- Titus 1:4(Jesus is the only Saviour) Isa, 44:6(The first and last is God) - Rev. 1:8, 22:13(Jesus is first and last) Isa. 44:6 (The King of Israel is God) - John 1:49 (Jesus is King of Israel) Isa. 45:23(Every knee must bow-God) - Phil. 2:10-11(Every knee must bow-Jesus) Jeremiah 31:32 (God, the One Husband) - II Cor. 11:2 (Jesus-The One Husband) Zechariah 12:10 (They pierced me - God)- John 19:34 (They pierced Jesus) Zechariah 14:4-5 (God is coming) - Matthew 25:31 (Jesus is coming) Malachi 1:6 (The One Master is God) - Matthew 23:8 (Jesus is the One Master) Malachi 2:10 (God is the Father) - John 14:5-9,Isaiah 9:6, (Jesus is the Father).. Jesus is the word made flesh.. WHO IS JESUS? Deuteronomy 6:4 Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD: Zechariah 14:9 And the LORD shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one LORD, and his name one. Mark 12:29 And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord: Hebrews 1:8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom. (Here God calls the Son, "God") Please read the whole chapter. In Colossians chapter 1, we are told "who" Jesus is. He is the image of the invisible God, and He made all things in the heavens and in the earth. How does the first book in the Bible start? Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. It goes on to tell all that God made. You might want to read all of Colossians chapter 1, Colossians chapter 2, Romans chapter 1, just to mention a few. Colossians 2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ. Colossians 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. Colossians 2:10 And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power: Even Jesus claimed to be God in so many words. The Jewish Rabbis certainly knew that's what Jesus claimed. Unlike modern skeptics, the Jewish rabbis never denied that Jesus made the claim that He was God. Instead, they called Him a liar, and tried Him for blasphemy. John 10:30 I and my Father are one. John 10:31 Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him. John 10:32 Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me? John 10:33 The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God. There are many other books of the Bible that tell us who Jesus is, but the ones I've listed are enough to prove to me who Jesus is. What say ye? Jesus is God John 1:1 In the Greek In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, AND GOD was the Word. God created by speaking. John 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us. 1 Timothy 3:16 (KJV) 16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory. Isaiah 9:6 (KJV) 6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

[@davidfrancis781]

There is NO TRINITY!!!!!!!!!

[@realmccoy124]

@@hargisP2 - so. Uh. Show me in the Bible where the word Oneness is found? Pretty much ALL the verses you have cited - are used to establish the Dogma of the Trinity … and were used by the Three Holy Hierarchs to succinctly dogmatize ‘what the Faith has always believed’… in the Creed - defending the deity of Jesus Christ against the Arians - who were changing the teachings to lessen Christ from being fully God - to that of a creature… likened to an angel… which is like modern day JWs… There is but One God - AND Godhead … [Father-Son-Holy Spirit] - Ever One God… One in Essence AND Undivided. This is the Dogma of the Church - Christ is Fully God and Fully Man - without corruption…. Since the word Oneness isn’t found in Scripture… let’s ask this question … How close are your practices to Ancient Judaism?

[@realmccoy124]

@@davidfrancis781 - as Dr Bernard teaches it … and as most Oneness Pentecostals parrot-phrase it… I also am inclined to reject it. But. Since Oneness Pentecostals are blindly indoctrinated to reject this ‘perverted’ rendition of what they think is the dogma - which it is NOT what was established as a Christian normative to fight against the heresies of Gnosticism Arianism, and a whole bunch of mess to include Sabellianism… yeah - I can see how swimming in heterodoxy- it’s quite septic. You rail against something you do not know, with a zeal that is perhaps commendable, but stands outside of Orthodoxy.

[@Jonmarcus-i7f]

One God his person Jesus Christ One God his body sits between the cherbums Jesus lord God Gods one person Jesus Christ One God 1 Timothy 2:5 His body of a man sitt between the cheribubs Lord God Jesus Jesus lord God Jesus he one God of the heaven and Earth

[@somakholhrg2805]

If Jesus is the eternal son of God when we died we are gonna see Jesus and his father in heaven.. How could we say we are believe in one God. 😂😂