HOW DID I BLOW UP MY 10K MILE 4RUNNER?!?!?!

[@blacknal]

Here for the 2J

[@teamgoodriddance4614]

🙃

[@dialupdavid]

Something tells me there’s issues going on with the Pro-charger tuning.. no doubt that you leaned it out. Magnuson seems to have no such issues and no complaints to be found about blowing engines. I’m also speaking as someone who has a supercharged 2023 4Runner. I beat the hell out this truck and have no issues. Regardless, if she does blow out of warranty, LS is going in or a Cummins 2.8r.

[@ronniemerlyn4051]

Pro- charger is absolute dookie - MAGNUSON supercharger is beyond proven - add a OTT tune and you're done.

[@roadglide1142]

Your the very 1st person I’ve seen blow up a 4.0 4 Runner engine ! Congrats 🎉🎈🍾🎊 😂

[@ryanb8736]

Definitely not first. People just don’t make videos about it. They keep quiet and fix it.

[@natedrives_]

We actually had a friend blow an engine while not forced induction. Just 35's and a regear is enough to pop these 4.0's. They just aren't robust past the oem configuration.

[@Zenergist]

​@@natedrives_ doubt that is what did it. Many people regear with no issues

[@drewdavidson5501]

It's almost like these motors were not designed for boost, made to be underpowered and reliable

[@mr.erikchun5863]

these fools creating problems for themselves

[@ryanb8736]

That’s what they are designed for. Both Honda and Toyota V6 are not designed for power adders.

[@xodanny2955]

@@ryanb8736 sarcasm

[@abunchofiguanaswithinterne2186]

Yup. Should've rebuilt with forged internals and possibly even sleeves

[@Walterrinho]

@@ryanb8736 honda engines love boost unless you’re talking about the new 1.5?

[@MsAgro92]

🙌 Best build on the internet! Fight me.

[@alexbbruce]

I've been following this project on Ig for a little while now, so I'm hyped to be getting some KZbin content about your build! Can't wait to see more!

[@natedrives_]

Thank you! I can't wait to share more about it!

[@FUELAB]

WE'RE HERE FOR IT! 🙌

[@twistedcheeka9629]

Fully invested now. Can't wait for the next update!

[@GianCena407]

Video was fire, excited to see future episodes

[@Fishfishfish-1234]

Sheeeeez! I need 2JZ in my life too. Got my favorite car, just now missing my favorite motor. Hopefully it’s a match made in heaven. Excited to follow this build! 👏

[@InGratitudeIam]

Those Raptor Lights will mess up a 4Runner EVERY time.

[@mr.erikchun5863]

LOL and they do nothing to help the car just makes the owner feel good about themselves

[@christianbolt5761]

Throw an LS in it and call it a day

[@jailbreakoverlander]

First time finding this channel, subbed.

[@valiantone395]

But I digress 🤣

[@VirusiHD]

Cant wait to hear that 2j

[@SandyCats]

Excited to follow!

[@mavenmotorsportmarketing3090]

🙌 this is going to be so good!

[@nulcable]

How much boost was the procharger giving? 7psi ? Why was catastrophic for such little boost?

[@natedrives_]

8 PSI peak, we aren't entirely sure, unfortunately with the software we didn't have a ton of logging capabilities so it limited what we could go back and look at. When we do another F/I setup on Lunar2 we will be utilizing a stand alone to be able to actually log everything.

[@LexusGX460-OFF-ROAD]

excellent welding skills... failure is success... keep going and you'll get it the way you want... peace ✌️ from SoCal 🌴

[@dexedr1ne]

love the positive comment bruh

[@LexusGX460-OFF-ROAD]

@@dexedr1ne thanks brah

[@TestrunRX7]

Sorry I am late to the party on this. What was the reason for not sticking with the typical 6psi with the "trd tune"? Just chasing those few extra ponies? Just curious as the tranny, especially with those big tires might start causing some issues with too much hp. Like is the reliability factor not obvious? Not trying to sound like a smart ass. I am a bit new to the 4Runner world, but getting ready for an SC. I am definitely not greedy on the power as I want the reliability, just need a little extra for around town.

[@Lumpygrits76]

Curious how much boost was run. I’m not seeing one grenade with a supercharger at around 7 - 9 pounds.

[@BigBoyz33]

Magnuson runs their superchargers at around 7 pounds as a safe tune.

[@natedrives_]

8PSI, but 8 PSI on a procharger isn't the same as a Magnuson.

[@Nxtlvlbuilds]

Freaking beautiful! I’m diligently waiting to see the end product! What did the 2jz cost you ?

[@natedrives_]

Thank you! I will share that in an upcoming video, along with the spreadsheets for the build.

[@emerysmith6517]

do you think it blew due to much pressure? like not enough supporting mods to go with the pro charger and the tune? with most boosted vehicles I've always thought you need a set up to get rid of the extra air just as much as you're throwing it (exhaust mods really) headers, ypipe, muffler. Maybe im wrong but it just seems weird to me to throw boost in and not a way to get it out.

[@natedrives_]

Well it wasn't over-pressurized cylinders, so the exhaust wasn't the issue. At it's core it was detonation (knock) that happened ultimately pushing the rod through the block.

[@warreng3701]

Cant wait for this

[@Walterrinho]

The Procharger for this engines 1GRFE, in the Tacoma’s advertises up to 390hp. I’ve seen only 2 2GRFEs(3.5L) blown up. One was crawling really steep and was probably ran dry, and the other it was a beat up one that had a master cylinder failure that made it so brake fluid got into the intake and oil. Other than that this engines are very solid, even the early ones that had headgaskets issues. It’s sucks man I hope the build goes well and can’t wait to see how you set up the engine for a truck suv.

[@natedrives_]

It was kind of a weird experience, we do plan to re attempt this with Lunar 2 though.

[@ryanb8736]

These engines are not designed for boost. Need to build it to handle it. These trucks are made for low power. The trans will also be a weak link.

[@Kdavis8377]

@@ryanb8736Magnusson makes a very reliable supercharger. These engines probably aren’t designed for the boost he was trying to get. Magnusson supercharger is excellent on these engines

[@ryanb8736]

@@EVS-w1m Everyone blames it on tune. 🤣 engine left the chat.

[@lucasr5675]

Great video and comments. You think the procharger wasn't the right choice here and obviously it was too much for the engine? Magnuson has a different unit than the ProC but essentially they seem to be the same or at least the principle.

[@natedrives_]

Well the issue wasn't so much in the setup, but we were testing tuning software, which was the only non-proven factor for the kit.

[@TrailCoMedia]

Good luck dude!!

[@IBRAKEFORBEDROCK]

My 2006 4.0 has 255 K miles. Probably just enough break in period for a supercharger

[@madmaxrn]

Where do you get those pre runner fenders from 😍 dude

[@tannerevans6646]

Can’t wait to see this thing rip!!!

[@TM15R]

How 'bout a nice TUNDRA 5.7??

[@MrStacyrr]

Love your videos, and I have to ask, what did you do with the original front seat? Interested in the passenger seat.

[@natedrives_]

Unfortunately they sold long long ago.

[@tedwarkentin2211]

Just curious as I must have missed the reason. Was the tune obviously to hot for the 4Runner engine? I have a Magnuson and many shops have tried to suggest a "hotter" tune to release more from it, but I'm honestly not looking to do what yours did!

[@natedrives_]

Well, procharger doesn’t offer an OTS for the 21+, so we were on a beta program to get a map, and sometimes things happen during R&D unfortunately!

[@ryanb8736]

It would have evened blew, so just can’t blame tune. Tune just made it happen quicker. Many guys have done same to Tundras with 5.7 and have popped those engines. That’s why nobody charges them anymore. Honda is same way with J35. None of these engines are designed for boost.

[@tedwarkentin2211]

@@ryanb8736 I had a Magnuson (then TRD) supercharger on my 2000 4 runner for 5 years and never had issues. Now I've got a 2018 4Runner where they magnus and supercharger on it. I've had it for about 2 years now and no issues. Since Toyota used to carry Magnuson as a TRD product, there's obviously more research there. Procharger is obviously the hotter tuned supercharger.

[@AA-mk4pu]

Weird! I thought the supercharged 4.0 were good for 300k?

[@peterlopez8185]

That what I wanted to see

[@natedrives_]

Well, there's a lot of factors that go into that. There is a lot less stress at 4PSI than 10PSI. The big thing with the procharger is that the higher you rev, the more boost you make.

[@Baebon6259]

magnuson SC for the new engine?

[@natedrives_]

Just a whole new powerplant in general, with a turbo setup instead haha!

[@MarioLoco03]

So super charging a 5th gen isnt as safe as Magnuson makes out to be. I wonder if the ProCharger gives more boost that Magnuson.

[@peterlopez8185]

Exactly what I was thinking

[@natedrives_]

Well a big factor was the fact we have a '21, so the tuning software isn't as refined as it needs to be. We will be going F/I on Lunar2 and will provide the same style of roadmap we have for the 2J swap so that it becomes a bit easier for more people to get power out of the GR safely!

[@DeviantMoto]

Totally different kinds of super chargers.

[@mikes4x4garage]

Gnarly.

[@TheLogitech91]

Doesn't Magnusson make a Supercharger that would come with a tune?

[@natedrives_]

Not for the 21's since toyota changed the ECU.

[@nikolasbbq]

@@natedrives_ the Magnuson one is out now. It’s been out for several months for ‘19+

[@mcwendel8066]

So I’m writing this comment before finishing the whole video so forgive me if you already explained this. I always thought a supercharger on a 4runner was a pretty safe modification. I come from the jeep world and a lot of people supercharge the 3.6 but it usually doesn’t end well. I know the reliability of the 4runner is far superior to the 3.6.

[@natedrives_]

Well typically it is with an off the shelf tune, but since no one had gotten onto the 20/21 ECU's yet we were on a prototype software.

[@mcwendel8066]

@@natedrives_ oh ok gotcha

[@ryanb8736]

These engines are not designed to be boosted. They need to be built to handle the higher volume of pressure. The trans is also a weak link.

[@leardi58]

So at the end of the day what was the cause of this happening what is your theory

[@FreeWVson]

Should have changed the oil after it ran rich.

[@pn312]

It'll buff out. Could use some JB Weld... 🤔 🤣

[@rossomeness3549]

LSX 454 🙌

[@JaredBusch]

that's a dope project man! but bro, where the hell does all the money for this come from? must cost an absolute Saudi fortune!

[@ryeboi1124]

Fortune favors the bold!

[@skepticalskeksis221]

I don’t think it was the blowers fault. The boot that thing puts out isn’t enough to be the cause. It’s has to be the fueling and timing that resulted in the detonations we were seeing. So either do you install parts in correctly or your tuner was all over the place with engine timing. You don’t need a 2JZ! Just take a V8 out of one of the Lexus f sports

[@natedrives_]

We wanted to go above and beyond. Fueling wasn't an issue as we were on a fuel setup good enough for ~800whp. As for the F-Sport engines, they're incredibly expensive for what you get, plus even less transmission options!

[@ryanb8736]

These engines don’t like to be boosted. Many have popped the Tundra 5.7’s too when supercharged. It’s only a matter of time with abuse. My friend has an older Audi SQ5 with a factory supermodel and it’s tuned to 500hp and beat on with 150k. He decides it’s time to charge his Tundra. Was fun and sounded great. He was out pounding it hard one night and popped the engine. None of us thought a 5.7 would blow. Now we know why nobody is charging them anymore. I wanted to buy a Lexus GSF and charge it, but won’t now. The transmission is also a very weak link in Toyota and Lexus. This is another reason why the 2JZ is still Toyotas best engine. It loves to be boosted. Only one.

[@ryanb8736]

@@natedrives_You are doing the right thing with going 2JZ engine. It’s the only one trusted to handle boost. It’s the king of power and reliability. What transmission are you gonna use?

[@rafaelramirez7576]

conclusion, don't try to make a 4runner faster. There is no perfect car and unfortunately the 4runner is slow but I'm okay with that, it has more pros than cons. Good Luck with the project!

[@natedrives_]

Well more so we needed more checks in place like not reflashing a stock ECU and running a standalone.

[@Lamidnightsss]

So there is a bolt on type kit for turbo charging. Comes with everything including a tune within a obd2 port box. But it;s $6500...for the basic kit for about 80hp lmao

[@shanec8224]

Just throw an LS in there!

[@natedrives_]

Wanted something a bit less common in the offroad world.... BUT who knows what the future holds!

[@rideordieactionsports9583]

Never heard of Pro Charger before this video. Everyone uses Magnuson as a super charger on their 4 runners. Heard they have excellent support. Cheaper is not always better. A few guys in Colorado have the long travel Setup from Total Chaos and after talking to them about it they would never do it again. They also have said re gearing made a bigger difference than any supercharger they have installed. Only seen one guy do it right with a new wider rear axle. Otherwise it is unstable at speed and looks weird. The also have said the squeaking and noise from the new fenders is really bad on longer drives. I wish you luck buddy.

[@natedrives_]

Well the axle is widened now to match, but as for the ProCharger kit, they make fantastic units, just centrifugal instead of roots style, so more like a belt driven turbo to over-simplfy it. Allows for higher peak capabilities. Cost wasn't ever a factor and it was not a "budget" option. The fenders need isolators of some form to act like oem, kind of the nature of fiberglass though.

[@kronk1623]

Rapid unscheduled Disassembly

[@jayallen7368]

4runner motor is most reliable engine in base form every made.

[@natedrives_]

Problem is wanting to run 35's, the engine isn't ready for any extra strain. So wanting to go beyond stock these engines are at capacity with no headroom.

[@James-qq2vq]

11:08 😂

[@georgenovotny4421]

I believe these engines were built for mild regular use and for reliability with normal use. Any boost modifications are risky and ruin the reliability factor imo

[@natedrives_]

Any engine is suitable for boost with capable tuning parameters, we were on the leading edge of new software. We will do a redux with Lunar 2 and a new engine software package we are working on.

[@dbarton8651]

I hate to be dramatic but this really pisses me off. I can't believe This motor couldn't handle a little bit of boost. you buy a T4R for this type of s*** not to happen! I know I did! You should send this video to Toyota. I don't expect them to do anything but they need to know this happened!

[@canalesivany]

Idiot this dude and the tune guys they don’t know wtf they doing, Magnuson supercharger and nitro gears 4:88 is all he needed not a stupid tune

[@Kdavis8377]

Toyota would say why are you trying to re-engineer our vastly superior reliable engine to squeeze out 60 more HP😂

[@mr.erikchun5863]

ill keep mine stock so it'll out live me

[@jetman1979]

One rod is all it takes to ruin the day

[@Paulygoku]

2 jay z

[@chrissanders541]

let me guess,,, u drained your rear end grease and put in the oil, drove it till it blew. then told your wife u had to rebuild your engine. so u used this time to re valve the heads and open up the exhaust ,, install headers, bigger catalytic converter, also installed a pulling cam for a little better gas mileage and better low end torque ,, giving u 1 to 2 mpg ,, and then u added the TRD cold air intake for the sound of the new exhaust. & she's happy because the 1mpg better gas mileage in the city its getting is great with her.

[@CadorSeeliger]

Looks like a hydro boom. Can't combust water. It compresses and has no where to go. Motor was at such a high rpm it wasn't able to lock untill it was far tooo late.

[@flatliner2713]

Gas and oil mix, just not in this instance

[@stevenk5800]

LS!!

[@natedrives_]

Keep Watching :)

[@ltatjsallday8709]

It's not a damn race car .. just drive it casually

[@natedrives_]

I think you might be a little lost. Welcome... to race car youtube.

[@psyberiusblack]

Trying to put the “Runner” in “4Runner” LOL

[@JeepCherokeeful]

Sorry, but a Bronco Raptor might be worth saving for...

[@sammcreynolds7510]

cummins swap 🤯

[@teamgoodriddance4614]

A 4B-t would be real nice...

[@JasioClass77]

How did you f^ckedup this motor? Looks like JEEP payed you for the show.

[@natedrives_]

Well, had a pro charger on it, and it seems kind of like a freak incident since plenty of other people are running a similar setup. Hard to see exactly where the failure was since it was so catastrophic.

[@jeffhenjes1722]

Squeeze a Tundra V8 in there.

[@natedrives_]

We thought about the 5.7, but wanted something a bit more obnoxious.

[@BluuJourney]

You're pushing it for all that power on the dyno. Power that you will never even see while off-roading...Why? Why do that to yourself and your vehicle unless yo goal is to change the engine if you're unlucky enough to blow it? WHY?

[@guywheeler4225]

first!

[@willferrell2266]

That seems like a casting defect

[@heyitschinoable]

That looks like pre detonation failure. What kind of fuel were you running during dyno tune?

[@natedrives_]

Pump 92. We really attest this to beta software for tuning since its a '21 and not allowing us into maps we needed.

[@heyitschinoable]

@@natedrives_ yes i agree as well. Cant wait to see the new build. New subscriber here: 2020 4R ORP.

[@royf.2471]

I just don`t get it. I guess if you have money to "burn" why not.