How Did I Make That "Maybe" Guitar Sound? (Waves Voltage Amps)

[@alexeytereshonok]

I love Dan Worral way more than i hate Waves, so this gets a thumbs up. Plus these amps actually do sound great...

[@matthijshebly]

Indeed. Although I am convinced that Dan would've been able to make *any* amp sim sound this good...

[@ErebosGR]

If you use high-quality IRs, you can make even outdated amp sims sound good.

[@kirkegodfrey414]

yeah but so do others, (its not the gear, its the usage) :+)

[@coolvibesradio3267]

The problem with waves is not about quality but about ethics

[@kirkegodfrey414]

@@coolvibesradio3267 ☑️☑️☑️

[@francobuzzetti9424]

i would love more of these! these "huge insignificant subtle changes that add up" are basically in everything you do and i love it!

[@NikolajChristensen]

Another vote for more mix teardowns. Great video. Thanks!

[@JordonBeal]

Damn, Dan. Those guitar tones are legitimately inspiring.

[@marekvoosen]

Would be so cool to see you give smaller manufacturers like meldaproduction and their mguitararchitect a try. Thanks

[@kehindea]

Why?

[@hinder10709]

Dude he's sponsored by WAVES! Smaller manufacturers don't pay as well to make ads for their products.

[@huntergalloway3944]

Because Melda rules and fuck Waves.

[@matthijshebly]

@@kehindea Why not?

[@Naeromusic]

@@kehindea because he's really good at figuring plugins out and making educational videos about them

[@MrTheog1989]

Great video Dan, I'd love to see more mix teardown videos from you. This is really powerful insight!

[@KozmykJ]

That's quite some walkthrough of a Mix. Thanks Dan. 👍

[@kirkegodfrey414]

in which Dan quietly walks us through perhaps SOME of his Gtr Collection! (oh and… this is absolutely BRILLIANT info ) THANK YOU AS ALWAYS!

[@alexadventures5620]

The bus bypass at the end is insane, thank you for the great video as always

[@hirnzircus]

Thank you for this insight into your guitar chain. I'm always amazed by your knowledge of frequencies and tools and how to work with them and on the top you are a great musician.

[@swolodkin]

WOW! I didn't expect a video answer, but I'm glad you did it. Thank you. Though, I will need to study the layered processing further to get my brain around it!

[@DerekPower]

I think of Voltage Amps as being the “GTR4”

[@TheGoatBeats]

Just got back from work…made me an ice cold coffee , logged in and ha, New Dan video.

[@artysanmobile]

Very cool melody you’ve written for that guitar part. Like a puzzle.

[@Herfinnur]

I should maybe thank you for not featuring my comment on that sound; someone would definitely have made fun of me for how over-the-top my love for this sound is 😅 Now to watch the video

[@jadedsean]

Please do more videos like this Dan, its cool to see your insight on your own mixes.

[@Stormsurf001]

I'm not even a guitar player and i liked it! Great guitar work always impresses. And great mixing even more!

[@axelfoley1768]

The Ampire amp emulations included with Studio One sound more convincing / real imo Glad to see you don't have anything against using the word 'phatter'

[@Harrysound]

I still regularly listen to Reincarnation , the Center section guitar is just outstanding. Anthem like melody but laid back and turned upside down. Reminds me of those times growing up and discovering music where you’ve listened to a song or an album then a section comes on that just grabs you. Like when I heard little wing (live) or Metallicas To Live Is To Die for the first time in the mid 90s as a young teenager my mind was blown.

[@xanxa5ac]

Thank you for the amazing content you've shared you on this channel. I really appreciate your geeky and cientific approach to mixing and production. I hope i'm not being inappropriate by suggesting perhaps a video on the difference between chorus and flanger and it's usages.

[@cjcurcio]

Excellent video! Thanks, Dan!

[@lukaskohn2758]

Will you be at gearfest in london next weekend?

[@runemidsun]

Hi Dan, there is something with your music that give me a oldschool adventure game feel. Like the old monkey island games❤ keep up your fantastic work. Love your channel Cheers

[@6oundStudio]

has anyone tried any good fuzz plugins? for some reason fuzz is super hard to get right, and fuzzy tones in the box are pretty hard to find. plugin manufacturers prefer to do emulations of 5150 more and more, but getting the fuzz right is not a priority which makes me a bit sad

[@dumb_as_rocks]

tonex

[@hanisa50]

Klanghelm Sdrr2 has fuzz

[@alexeytereshonok]

New Softube Amp Room has a Fuzz pedal in it, it can switch to octafuzz also. IMO sounds great.

[@ChrisDN]

The only ones I like are: Fuse Audio Labs - Big-Sur (from their VPB-Bundle) Doom Plugs - Bratwurst (which can be surprisingly tasteful at lower settings) Linda Audio - Fuzzy And finally, the both Fuzz Face and Big Muff models in Audified - Multidrive Pedal Pro

[@6oundStudio]

@@hanisa50 yeah, that one is pretty good

[@lucianogm]

Beautiful song Dan! catchy, with movement and great tones! How do you trick my brain and make him/it believe that all the elements are in a common space when in fact you are mixing different reverbs? The lead guitar, towards the end, the one that does the solo... is that a delay into reverb?

[@DanWorrall]

Delay with diffusion iirc (FabFilter Timeless 3)

[@SoMyungJung]

Voltage Amps sound pretty good actually. But Waves should enable the function of loading custom IR's to the Waves GTR3. I think my "update fee" deserves at least that one.

[@slash196]

I find that most of the "box tone" of plugs like the Puigchild comes from the subtle hiss they add. Adding in white noise buried deep in the mix is an old trick to make very clean mixes sound denser and fuller and "more analog" and that's basically what that bottom switch on the 670 does. But when you pause playback it can get mighty annoying to listen to!

[@TransistorLSD]

I'm pretty sure it's also saturation with Puigchild. Same with Puigtec and most Pultec/Fairchild emulations out there.

[@TransistorLSD]

Also, most 1073 emulations have a slight low-mid dip, so like an EQ by default.

[@DanWorrall]

You guys made me load it into Plugin Doctor! It's not entirely working properly in PD actually, but there does seem to be some interesting saturation. If it adds noise its never been enough to bother me.

[@ethai1]

@@DanWorrall Interesting enough to make a video about it? :)

[@bassplayingchris]

Another excellent in depth look

[@MaPa60]

I love the guitar performance and the engineering, but I have a hard time getting into these Voltage amps. I do like the Waves PRS Models, though. I also liked the older GTR3 plugin, so generally I like how Waves do ampsims. How does the Voltage amps compare? What are their USP?

[@DanWorrall]

I like the PRS models too. Voltage and PRS seem comparable in quality to me, but of course personal taste as a player will vary.

[@JayJ1095]

9:30 Interesting, I can hear a definite "narrowing" of the guitars on headphones, but to me, it sounds more like they go from separate parts being played either side of my ears, to more cohesive parts about level with my ears. So still wide, just not as wide.

[@boyman7823]

Well binaural listening causes the left/right channels to be isolated to each ear while in real life no sound will ever just reach a single ear and not the other. So subtle "narrowing" like this can ironically make a mix feel even more three dimensional on headphones. I remember experimenting with very little haas delay and 6dB/oct low pass filters on only one side to simulate a stereo speaker/room experience for guitar parts. An example would be taking a single guitar recording panning it %30 to one side, putting around a 10 milisecond delay and a low pass at 6khz to the opposite side. You will notice that it will almost sound hardpanned to the side the channel is panned to. It can sound good but is honestly high risk - low reward. Haas delays DRASTICALLY change the percieved position of the sound and are very sensitive to small changes. Bass, drums and vocals become harder to separate because of that but mono compatibility is suprisingly not a big problem as long as you pan them above around %20 in a direction.

[@Jaburu]

yea, it's rather dramatic even on my TV speakers. it depends on what you pay atention on I guess

[@TheQuesoJC]

ty for your perspective Dan

[@sinefabula]

So it took me about half an hour to start hearing any difference in the final mix bus bypass demo. I'm now pretty sure I can hear the difference in highs and mids but I can't hear any difference in the lows at all. At first, I was going to complain that I'm deaf and I shouldn't do any music production anymore, but I think I better ask: Dan, how do I train my ears for these things? (At least I'm glad it turned out quite hard to fool myself.)

[@jobroskiking6063]

crazy guitars and nice mixing

[@alrecks619]

some engineers prefer to lower the volume automation of the rhythm guitars when the lead part plays, but nice that you have your own trick up your sleeve, Dan.

[@DanWorrall]

I did that too

[@alrecks619]

nice to know ;) .

[@twaylan]

Idea for future DW video - if you’re able to play this precisely through your computer and plugins, it must be an impressive machine - I’d love a video on how you built/specified it.

[@DanWorrall]

Lol. It's over a decade old, totally obsolete, and finally died on me yesterday: I had to finish this video on my laptop! It was built by Carillon (specialist audio PC builders) and lasted twice as long as it had any right to, so I'll probably go back to them for a replacement.

[@saftpackerl]

@@DanWorrall Did you record all the guitar parts with that clean DI sound??

[@DanWorrall]

@@saftpackerl yes. Possibly excepting the final lead part: I might have used my preamp for that, can't remember.

[@saftpackerl]

@@DanWorrall Im sorry to hear that. Sound can inspire playing. Maybe your new PC is gonna be strong enough for real time amp sim stuff. You can always get a cheap multi FX with some basic tones for real time monitoring while recording the dry DI signal, and work with that afterwards. Although when youre that good at anticipating the sound and playing accordingly, tha may be a waste of money...

[@sirdaveandre]

Hello Dan, I just watched your Fabfilter Video "Samplerates: the higher the better, right?" again. And I have a question: In lots of your Videos - just like in the one mentioned, you play around with a single Tone to explain something, and suddenly some Background music starts to fade in, and that sound you played around with now is part of that song. ( around 14:15 in that Video) I always think,"Well played Sir!". I really like the effect you achieve with this. Do you mind to share how you plan this Videos? I am not into video making myself - just out of curiosity.

[@DanWorrall]

Basically, I write a piece of music that uses the technique in question, then write a script explaining how I used it.

[@sirdaveandre]

@@DanWorrall Understand. That explains why video and audio feel so melted together.

[@pedrorosa.musica]

Amazing tone and explanation!! Could you make a similar video about the synth bass tone on Separation and Beyond at 1:14? Pleeeeease

[@shaft9000]

Funny that one man's artifice is another's "dream tone".... this is straight outta _simulacra & simulation._

[@andreifilip]

Thanks Dan!!

[@TransistorLSD]

Hmm... Now i'm starting to wonder, how do these amps compare to Waves PRS Supermodels amps and GTR3 bundle?.. An idea for a video perhaps...

[@DanWorrall]

PRS and Voltage seem comparable in quality to me, both quite versatile, matter of taste I think. Not tried GTR3 properly yet.

[@TransistorLSD]

​@@DanWorrallThanks for the answer! Guess i'll stick with my PRS plugs then.

[@alphanumeric1529]

Thanks Dan, bought 12 copies of the Puigchild just to give you a bump.

[@Six2Nine]

Could you make some Mixing tutorial please? I mean some with that hidden knowledge and tricks from pros?

[@nicholascastucci4547]

You're the man.

[@gnastygames]

Is the "room" dial on the amp sims just moving the mic back, or are they maybe blending in another room impulse? Dark/Bright seems to be moving from speaker edge to cap so it would make sense that the room dial is moving the mic back but it sounds much more roomy when dialed all the way up while still hearing the cab nice and clear. Anyway, it sounds dope

[@TransistorLSD]

It's just a reverb level amount knob.

[@Smung]

when you bypassed the mixbus, did it get quieter or was that just the compression and EQ creating that feeling of loudness and width? it was very much a night and day difference

[@DanWorrall]

I checked that carefully: same integrated loudness for both, though the peaks are a tiny bit lower with the processing switched in.

[@TransistorLSD]

Saturation!

[@Smung]

​@@DanWorrall thats mindboggling difference in precieved loudness

Hi Dan, a couple of days ago I became a member of your channel and I can only see 5 excellent mix reviews. If I expand my membership will more videos appear or can I only access to have my own reviews depending on the membership level? And the last question, do you give mixing courses online?

[@LearnCompositionOnline]

Hallo Dan, looking for a tutorial on Voxengo delay, any suggestions? Basically I would love a channel that does tutorials systematically about most used plugins, principally for soundtracks. Whoever wonder if there are too many plugin review channels, here is an idea. Many channels are too chaotic to learn, and many music genres are not covered

[@vincentaugustus2748]

A question for your highly tuned ears… maybe you’ve answered this before. But how do you feel about console emulation plug ins? I notice you don’t run them, do you like them or do you not use them at all? If he has a video talking about this someone plz link. Thnx

[@DanWorrall]

I think console emulation basically boils down to saturation. I love saturation and use loads of it when I mix. But I don't feel the need to add the same type of saturation to every channel. They each get whatever works for that part or bus.

[@AmateurBlonde]

I learned a lot, thank you.

[@Lawls]

Thank you for the video, as always very informative. I'm curious as to why the compressor @ 14:33 has stereo link at 0%, wouldn't that mess up panning?

[@DanWorrall]

There are two ways to create stereo width: level differences, or phase differences. An unlinked compressor might mess up the former, but might enhance the latter. The hard panned guitars create a pseudo stereo image, based on phase difference primarily. The mix as a whole uses a mixture of phase and level differences to create width. I tend to prioritise a sense of space over pinpoint precise placing of parts within the stereo image (depending on the mix) so I'm more likely to unlink my bus compression than link it. It's a matter of taste though, there's no right or wrong. Also it's only doing about 1 dB of gain reduction, and the left / right gain reduction is highly correlated anyway, so the difference in gain between the two channels is never going to be very large.

[@Dustypye]

@@DanWorrall Dan thanks for the interesting video, I am bemused by the use of phase in this context. In electronics the two sources have to be completely coherent for phase difference to have validity, which two performance of the same guitar part no matter how good the player cannot be, so the phase relationship between the two parts is completely chaotic , they simply have minor timing differences which is not the same thing. Robert.

[@DanWorrall]

It's not completely chaotic: they're playing the same part, they're correlated to an extent. The chaotic phase is what creates the sense of width, and that's why I call it pseudo stereo not proper stereo.

[@Lawls]

@@DanWorrall Thank you for your insight, and for going further in-depth in your latest video, it's been really valuable.

[@principedegales7092]

you are a nice guy when the time pass , i like your videos. I hace a stupid and retry question every fucking day. I have an apollo x 8 and i think is very fuzzy and colored as converter , i like it to track , has a lot of personality that kind of sound , but in da tasks the thing changes when you have to process audio thru external hardware , a lot of excesive colour and often a little mudd sound , so i think in buy an rme adi 2 pro , to send to the hardware gear and back in a more transparent way. What do you think? maybe is my perception or the uad apollo is a fucking coloured unit or maybe this is just idiot. Thanks , and you are my hero in a world of music production full of people whitout personality and good spirit. Thanks for the videos!

[@DanWorrall]

I've not tried the UA interfaces, but I would be very surprised to find the converters were that coloured. Are you coming back in via the preamps? If you can't transparently loop back from line output to line input then the interface is broken IMO.

[@Jarichi]

Hiya, the closed captions (UK) seem to not be synced with the video, causing them to be a massive wall of text at the beginning of the video instead of being synced to the spoken words. Don't know if they are community-made or not but I thought I'd drop a comment

[@Jarichi]

Of course, other than that, this is an amazing video (as always)! :)

[@TransistorLSD]

​@@Jarichi i think it's fixed now

[@Jarichi]

@@TransistorLSD Yes, great!

[@supercompooper]

Bandoral ❤

[@GloveBunniesVideos]

Great video and great song!

[@CreativeMindsAudio]

Oh i thought after the waves sub insanity that you weren’t gonna do the waves affiliate program anymore? Oh well. Still cool waves is actually putting out new plugins.

[@ableton-i3d]

W a v e s

[@gregmark1688]

This is a great collection of techniques for mixing guitars, thanks! But Boogex still sounds better, imho

[@kimseniorb]

waves and amp simulation are mutually exclusive terms

[@Tony-Stockport]

16 minutes of geek heaven!

[@mastablasta9x]

Yes, awesome!

[@Rhuggins]

Fabulous! Nice to see the inner workings of your session. I did notice on your Pro-G instance that the attack was opened up quite a bit. The plugin does this upon initializing by default. Did this not soften the transients on your guitar, or was it just a creative choice?

[@EvgenyRosso]

lookahead was set at 1 ms and attack was set at 1 ms, means it right on time with transients. nothing soft about this settings

[@saftpackerl]

longer attack doesnt soften transients...quite the contrary: it lets them through, kepps them before the compression starts

[@csn-audio]

Pro-G is a gate, not a compressor

[@Rhuggins]

@@saftpackerl this is a gate, not a compressor

[@DanWorrall]

You guys beat me to all the correct answers. Yes it's a gate not a compressor. And lookahead compensates the attack, which is itself faster than it looks: the control is scaled to give you very fine control where you need it most, with very fast settings. There are a few notes that don't fully open the gate. But the 'guitar' style in Pro-G is very forgiving, and with the amp distortion you don't really notice. I dialed it in with the amp in place, didn't spot that at all till I bypassed it to make the video.

[@alexeytereshonok]

11:52 Is this one stereo linked? Or you did the Reaper-DIY-dualmono trick?

[@DanWorrall]

It's one stereo instance. I assume that means linked compression, but I haven't actually checked.

[@dirkchurlish4074]

i love compression

[@MrSouthsilicon]

thanks for your nice technical input , but to my taste as a guitar tone chaser , not a cork sniffer actually, this is too much talking about a sterile guitar sound... the sound doesn't behave like my subjective "real amp response idea"... could you point me into an actual guitar track with a real tube amp... because your insights are absolutely spectacular, I'm learning a lot about where to look and use knowledge before moving knobs and switches to see those colorful lights go on and off... got the chops, strings and amps but my recording skills are simply horrible...! thanks in advance.

[@DanWorrall]

This is an actual guitar track, what did you think I was playing? I don't record my valve amp these days because it's too loud and it kills my ears for the rest of the day. And I can get equally good results from amp sims IMO. But if you can find a guitar tone anywhere in my musical output that ticks your boxes better, let me know and perhaps I can do a similar breakdown.

[@MrSouthsilicon]

@@DanWorrall a guitar it is, thats not the point, the loss of natural attack dynamics printed with your hands and pick, the relationship between attack-release and the harmonic response is from a plug in , an amp behaves and breath in a different way , that was the point , a plugin response tends to kill the player nuances... volume dynamics are in the hands , same with ghost notes that a compressed signal from a distortion plugin tends to heavily dehumanise ... more player and less overkill with plug ins. I enjoyed your guitar parts, plus your insights on recording are spectacular, in no way I'm trying to imply any negative criticism on your fenomenal work, if there is anything for me to say, Mr, Worrall I respect your sharing on details that i would have never imagined by myself. loud amps are a drag, and ruins your day, I clearly understand that. no affense Dan. ! and thanks for your input in every YT video you upload.

[@imslicc]

time and time again, i become aware of the fact that being a great technician doesn't mean a good artist. you gotta have good taste, in the end /=

[@alexeytereshonok]

3:26 Hey Dan, you like Black Sabbath, right? :)

[@DanWorrall]

Sure. But I got that guitar for the pickups not the body shape ;)

[@alexeytereshonok]

@@DanWorrall Well, early Black Sabbath records are also famous for P90-like pickups (single coils)... That's why i asked!

[@MIHAO]

cheers

[@DavidSJ_DAP]

My apologies, Dan...I'm already a Mercury bundle owner, so I get all the new stuff for free so I cannot avail myself of your affiliate link...

[@justinphillips7392]

Puigchild null test!!!

[@DerpySwag]

nice :)

[@Beatsbasteln]

cool video. true mixing porn :) however i got one question: why do you care about mono compatibility in your music? if this question sounds weird to you: your music doesn't sound like it was made for clubs and it also doesn't appear like something people would listen to on cheap mono kitchen radios or phones. so why would it matter that your stereo signal also works in mono?

[@DanWorrall]

I think better mono compatibility also makes for a more solid and stable centre image. And I mix my clients' music to be mono compatible, why would I not do the same for my own?

[@Beatsbasteln]

@@DanWorrall thx for your insights. and yes, when you a/b-ed the m/s eq there i immediatly felt like narrowing this crucial range of the guitar sound glued the tracks together in a nice way, making it more solid. btw, you should totally make some more videos about certain effect chains you were proud of in your beats. i like that it's more of a mix of techniques, rather than just a single plugin showcase thing or a clininical test. shows more of your casual side

[@DanWorrall]

I may not have phrased that as well as I could. With the EQ in there's less sense of two separate hard panned parts. Which I guess you could describe as a narrowing of the mix. Perhaps better phrasing: the MS EQ turns the two separate guitars into one unified stereo riff. One, wide but focused part, instead of two identifiably separate parts.

[@Beatsbasteln]

@@DanWorrall thanks for clarifying but i got what you meant the first time around as well. i also do that all the time. i mean starting off hard-panning stuff, then grouping it and then apply mid/side effects to define the narrow-ness and stuff. maybe still a good topic for a video. like.. what type of effects can be used in this configuration and how you use it most of the time, or something outstanding :)

[@TransistorLSD]

​@@DanWorrallI tried this trick on a rock mix, and guitars started to overwhelm the vocals 😢

[@charliemccharlie]

Lol good luck trying to make a “definitely” guitar sound with the voltage amps.

[@charliemccharlie]

Or how about, the interesting thing about the voltage amps is that it’s input gain sweet spot is easy to find right inside of another amp sim. Badump.

[@thebeatrootroad]

Surprised by this endorsement of Waves. You are amongst the most respected voices in the industry and some young folk will take it as approval of what many of us consider to be a shockingly unethical company. As you said in your excellent Waves post 'we are free to choose' - I'm personally just disappointed at your choice I guess, as I also have always regarded your opinion highly. Do you maybe have new info on a change in Waves business model that I've missed which makes them endorsable, in your opinion, or are you contractually obliged to advertise their products - and therefore not free to choose? In short: Why support Waves Dan? People will listen to you whatever you say.

[@DanWorrall]

Why do you consider Waves to be unethical? And why should I?

[@thebeatrootroad]

@@DanWorrall Hi Dan - Google reckons unethical is 'actions that are against social norms or acts that are considered unacceptable to the public'. In my world, changing the meaning of the word 'perpetual' in a legal agreement, after the fact, is covered in that. I wasn't saying you should find it unethical though - although I had thought that you had registered that many of us very much do. Are you saying you are fine with their corporate behaviour? It's your right - I'm just surprised is all,

[@DanWorrall]

@@thebeatrootroad they rolled that back after about two days, right? What's the problem?

[@TransistorLSD]

​@@thebeatrootroadYou know they brought back individual licenses, right? I still hate them, but not to the point of being disappointed by Dan's videos.

[@thebeatrootroad]

@@DanWorrall My personal opinion is that failing to take an unethical stance solely due to external pressure is not the same as being ethical. Also, the individual licences don't appear to me to be perpetual either, as after a year, I have found that they start crashing. I have heard many others say the same thing. I bought nearly all my Waves plugins at the same time and they did not crash during the first year, yet they are listed as the cause of most crashes. (BTW - I am not looking for a fight - I am genuinely concerned is all.)

[@Harrysound]

I missed the video even when I was looking for it because the thumb nail look way too much like an advert 😂

[@Lolwutdesu9000]

You bypassed the entire set of plugins, instead of bypassing just the ones that seemingly give no effect. Try that next time, as it would serve as a good example of how small changes, each one almost unnoticeable, when stacked DO make a difference.

[@coolvibesradio3267]

I like your videos but I can't like anything from Waves. So you get a dislike for this. Switch to the light side and #boycottwaves

[@DanWorrall]

No worries. Thanks for boosting the video with a comment though ;)

[@coolvibesradio3267]

@@DanWorrall You deserve all the boost possible so you can drop the waves sponsorship

[@DanWorrall]

@@coolvibesradio3267 I'm not sponsored by Waves, I'm in the affiliate scheme. Honestly, comments like this just make me want to do more Waves videos. I don't get the Waves hate.

[@alexeytereshonok]

@@DanWorrall Well, please do! :) More Waves videos = more content from Dan!

[@dumb_as_rocks]

that’s your dream tone? how long have you been dreaming exactly not exactly unique is it although a very well made example…

[@shaft9000]

it was apparently a viewer comment calling it 'dream tone' not Dan

[@dumb_as_rocks]

@@shaft9000 i know

[@hinder10709]

lol. Don't worry. No one will ever forget your Waves affiliation. You plug it plenty. It's ad. We get it.

[@BukanIbuMu]

It sounds good tho.

[@hinder10709]

@@BukanIbuMu Meh. It sounds fine and perfectly do-able without needing WAVES!!!! It'd be fine as a talk about getting guitar sounds in the box as opposed to being an ad for WAVES!!!!! It just leaves a bad taste in the mouth. It feels cheap. It is cheap.

[@shaft9000]

_dont hate the playa , hate the game_

[@RundFyrkant]

First

[@kianhendrick3794]

Horrible sound dude !!

[@TransistorLSD]

It fits in the mix perfectly

[@kianhendrick3794]

@@TransistorLSD but the sound sucks...

[@TransistorLSD]

@@kianhendrick3794 Well, it's your opinion. I disagree.

[@kianhendrick3794]

@@TransistorLSD it sounds digital and cheap..

[@TransistorLSD]

@@kianhendrick3794 Well, it's your opinion. I disagree.