How did Medieval Diplomacy Work? (Short Animated Documentary)

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Sources:
Anglo-Scottish Relations, 1296-1389: Some Recent Essays by Bruce Webster
Scotland's 'Auld Alliance' with France, 1295-1560 by Elizabeth Bonner
Edward III and the Beginnings of the Hundred Years War by G. Templeman

[@Serulik]

"Sire we can't go to war against the ottomans" "Why not??" "We don't have a free diplomat"

[@mariano98ify]

the pain dude...

[@randomperson6988]

ilia han lol

[@proffiesloth]

Love a random eu4 reference

[@dimmler7851]

K e b a b w i n s

[@Fireheart1945]

Guess I'll have to stop fabricating claims to free one up, then.

[@Amatsaru29]

Girlfriend wants you to treat her like a princess... ... Proceeds to marry her to a stranger to strengthen ties with France ;-)

[@farry882]

So, your girlfriend is blood related to you?

[@yvel8503]

Farry Yours isn‘t ?

[@tommydoez]

@@yvel8503 sweet home alabama

[@festethephule7553]

@@tommydoez Incest isn't always Alabama, mate. Sometimes it's Mediaeval Europe.

[@kniffol]

@@tommydoez Sweet home Habsburg

[@headcanon6408]

“We all know how modern diplomacy works” yep, yes, completely, I definitely know 100% how modern diplomacy works

[@InternetMameluq]

It's basically like highschool.

[@ahmedelnaggar8805]

Yes.

[@liltinglullaby3282]

It doesn't.

[@deusvult6920]

@@InternetMameluq it is. And people get offended over the most stupid things

[@looinrims]

You’re a commenter on KZbin videos, of course you do, but not anyone else, unless of course they agree with you Just like when discussing history and politics

[@_NeoImperia_]

*Usually it was done in the bed*

[@robertmitchell8683]

You're right, it's a method we cannot afford to lose.

[@tomwinchester8209]

Robert Mitchell what?

[@robertmitchell8683]

@@tomwinchester8209 it's a reference to OP's username from star wars

[@_NeoImperia_]

@@tomwinchester8209 *Good relations with the princess I have*

[@mariano98ify]

@@robertmitchell8683 Trump need to fuck Winnie the Pooh

[@emptank]

New mission from the pope! Don't attack FRANCE for ten years Reward: nothing Penalty: excommunication.

[@huantruonginh2946]

emptank reminds me of medieval total war 2 haha

[@hellsonion514]

Guess I'll apostatize then *shrugs*

[@AgentTasmania]

France continues attacking, having started the war in the first place

[@JonatasAdoM]

Mission accomplished Pope: I hope the new find peace will last Me: ROFL!

[@timesnewlogan2032]

And France continues laying siege, whereas I would get excommunicated for doing the same.

[@anderskorsback4104]

It worked by clicking on a ruler's portrait and selecting the relevant item from the list of possible diplomatic actions.

[@HunterShows]

Yeah, but back then some nations had much better mice than others, so declaring war was easy for them.

[@bengahzijr.4293]

I love when they ride horses in these. Almost as good as when a character drops dead and you hear the sound of them hitting the floor.

[@gideonmele1556]

Or when they go traipsing through the flower field with something horrible tagged above them

[@PANZERFAUST90]

The blissful frolic through the flowers is always good too lol

[@Milk382011]

The best animation ever was the Queen of England roping out of a helicopter with a gun and camo veil

[@Zraknul]

The intimidation move of scowling and standing closer, closer and behind them.

[@jj48]

@@Milk382011 Was that an animation, or was that actual footage?

[@stepanpytlik4021]

Medieval diplomacy in nutshell: Demand: Accept or we will attack Request: Please, do not attack

[@hamarbiljungskile8953]

Ah, M2TW diplomacy...

[@MrAnonymousRandom]

@@hamarbiljungskile8953 Or any other total war game.

[@S3Cs4uN8]

@@MrAnonymousRandom At least until they removed those options.

[@rudo-armejec3882]

Tak ty si došel až sem?

[@MrMaro1995]

You are absolutely demolishing the enemy. All his armies are destroyed, half of his remaining fief is besieged. Their peace offer: We demand: Ceasefire Give us 1 000 000 florins

[@Lin-ij9vk]

Sseth said it best "It's impossible to make everyone happy. Your vassals want more land, your wife wants more jewelry, and your brother wants more of your wife."

[@chakraborty1989]

Context? Who is sseth?

[@parfait9495]

SsethTzeentach. He said that in his CK2 Video

[@nick0875]

And to the oubilette with them all.

[@pridelander06]

Nice example of the Hundred Years war period, but I think another great example of medieval diplomacy is the episode when the King of England attempted to gain a French garrison's support for a holy quest and then being told by the French that his mother was a hamster and his father smelt of elderberries.

[@gabisuciu6785]

Damn, you got me in the first half, not gonna lie

[@JonatasAdoM]

@@gabisuciu6785 Same

[@joermnyc]

‘Is there anyone else up there we can talk to?”

[@vinnydaq13]

Joe R M “I blow mah nose at you and fart in your general direction! Now go away before I taunt you a second time, you silly English speaking knnnnnnnnigits!”

[@slewone4905]

@@vinnydaq13 Now I know Why the English hate the French so much.

[@cekoforbidden9317]

"My liege, the war is too costly for us" "Why? Its just a small neighbouring nation and weak allies" "We're still in truce, my liege. We're gonna get stab hit!"

[@DaDARKPass]

or "my liege, we have military access, we can't go to war!" "wait what, that's stopping us?"

[@cekoforbidden9317]

@@DaDARKPass and theyre transferring their trade power to us 🤣

[@talltroll7092]

Noob. Just get a CB on one of their allies. Taking their clay will be a touch more expensive though

[@mrszmatan2727]

@@talltroll7092 that's the problem, if you want to take a lot of provinces this will be a lot of aggressive expansion and not always dealing with coalition is easy, or you just don't want it coz it's annoying

[@dylanroemmele906]

@@mrszmatan2727 I remember when Alexander the Great got coalitioned because he had too much Aggressive Expansion

[@vAqeii]

I'll never forget _Mr. Moustache_

[@necro-retro915]

*OH, ITS YOU AGAIN MR.* *MOUSTACHE MEN* -ISP

[@bengahzijr.4293]

vAqeii: And “you know who”.

[@FireurchinProductionsByzantium]

Mr. Hitman

[@angrymanwithsillymoustasche]

Which moustache?

[@dershogun6396]

"Peace Treaty with england. Demands: Everything, Concessions: None, Alba gu bràth" this is the most scottish thing i've ever seen...

[@rolanddeschain5161]

@Joshua N. Ajang Scots Gaelic and Irish Gaelic are quite similar.

[@dershogun6396]

@Joshua N. Ajang you can destinguish scottish(gaidhlig) and irish (geailge) from each other via the accents. In irish there is only this "´" accent used. In scottish only this "`" .

[@paireon3419]

Wait 'till the Scots get in gear with their demands prior to the next referendum to leave Britain...

[@dershogun6396]

@@paireon3419 welll i think it is only a matter of time until the last remnants of the british empire fall apart and get independence. In 20 years we will have a kingdom of england again and an independent scottland and wales. I see it comming. In this case england would be as weak as it was around 1000 last time in 2040.

[@paireon3419]

@@dershogun6396 Let's hope so. I may love British humor but as a French-Canadian who knows his history I am not fond of the English yoke.

[@bradymcelroy1627]

James Bisinette is back on top!

[@Austrian_Butcher]

Habsburgs: I've got daughters

[@kylemohs8728]

Habsburgs: I also have a male cousin who needs a wife.

[@Austrian_Butcher]

@Kas Mag Linz mehr

[@tomrowell1558]

Loved this video, one of those topics I always wondered about - Crusader Kings 2 is pretty accurate really in how marriages create alliances but after a while they just lead to wars over claims

[@TheAustralianMapper5378]

King: Here, have my daughter. We are friends now.

[@wayneparker9331]

I especially love the cheeky humor you show in the signs your characters hold at different points and the other writings in the videos to emphasize a point you make vocally ("David woz ere"). I laughed out loud at these signs because they are so clever and on point.

[@Vinemaple]

"Give Milan." I had to walk that one off, it hurt so much

[@cursedex3755]

*Talking about Medieval diplomacy* People Who Play CK2: "Allow us to introduce ourselves"

[@gideonmele1556]

The definitive fratricide, infanticide, and general nastiness simulator

[@DaDARKPass]

what about eu4 players?

[@gideonmele1556]

DaDARKPass forced culturalization, genocide, and mass slavery simulator. Also Mingsplosions and the dangers of too much baguette in one place

[@4mbrose]

Gideon Mele and don’t forget the pre-modern eugenics programs

[@gideonmele1556]

Zachary Cornelison of course! In the names of SCIENCE!! and dynastic purity

[@gennik7966]

1:20 The popes always have the fanciest hats

[@scutumfidelis1436]

Its real name is the papal tiara.

[@PrezVeto]

… and it's a crown 👑

[@blueangel4ever370]

The "soon (ish)" and "tell him hi" are almost the best part of the video, definitely underrated 😂

[@luizsa8300]

I don’t know who he is, but I’m glad to know that James Bizenette returned to his rightful place at the top of the special thanks list.

[@Marconius6]

I like that the only diplomatic options are alliances (for war), declaring war, and suing for peace (in a war).

[@novaterra973]

2:44 "David woz ere" Guess that's a reference to David II of Scotland's captivity in England?

[@444haluk]

I literally feel like I have to watch at least one of your animations every day. Their simplicity is mesmerizing...

[@bigpopparasta8133]

I know how this works... I’ve play CK2

[@paulbuzla8728]

What the shit is ck2 ?

[@ayoumsms4399]

@@paulbuzla8728 a game named crusader kings 2

[@paulbuzla8728]

Thanks mate ;)

[@kamodo2299]

Honestly this is probably my favorite Chanel in KZbin. It’s often this notification that I’ll catch first thing in the morning and it’s just great. Thanks man

[@alejandrokaplan7243]

Still waiting for the Orthodox Church in the Protestant Reformation

[@Lazurath101]

Alejandro Kaplan this

[@asnekboi7232]

?

[@alejandrokaplan7243]

A snek Boi he said a long time ago he would make a video on how the Orthodox Church reacted to the Protestant reformation and that hasn’t come out yet

[@dershogun6396]

oh yeah. This would be interesting. Though i've watched an interview with an american orthodox "Archpriest" who worte an entie book about the views of antiochian orthodox church on the proestant reformation.

[@alejandrokaplan7243]

Der Shogun yeah he did a poll on his channel and that won the poll and the video never came, still waiting

[@rankovasek1987]

Diplomacy in Rome Total War be like: *Their Offers* Accept or we will attack *Their Demands* Please do not attack

[@bezukaking6860]

aka peace

[@jeffbenton6183]

I've only played Rome 2. I've never been able to issue ultimatums like that.

[@mikesands4681]

Your horse riding animation made me laugh, keep it up!

[@historylover8139]

Didnt know Czechia used to own parts of italy and belarus

[@bradymcelroy1627]

Yeah, Bohemia used to control land all over because of dynastic bullshittery.

[@historylover8139]

@@bradymcelroy1627 ok

[@richardvlasek2445]

the luxembourgs used to own a lot

[@thezeitos469]

The unique magic of the HRE

[@migkillerphantom]

Not Bohemia. The German dynasty who ended up holding the title "king of bohemia" held other titles in parallel. The crucial thing to understand that each of these holdings was a separate state with separate institutions. It just happened that their head of government was the same person. So if Bohemia was to call a parliament or whatever, it would have no authority in the other realms.

[@spacepolicemanofspace6073]

Thank you for the new video! Happy New Year to you and the channel!

[@mundogameplay1341]

3:04 Jesus’s Ghost xd

[@funntidassi2159]

Must be the Holy Spirit.

[@FriedrichBarb]

@Funnti Dassi Holy Shit

[@MorphingReality]

Bravo as always.. the art style is perfect.

[@whatitbescottyb3699]

Please keep James Bisonette first in your special thanks, pleaseeeeeee

[@storytellingchampion6438]

While it is quite simplified (and I think I'll do some more research) I think this will help iron out some kinks in a piece of fiction I'm writing. Thank you.

[@aleksandarvil5718]

Meanwhile: Habsburgs *_Bella gerant alii, tu felix Austria nube_** - ‘Let others wage war: thou, happy Austria, marry’. This famous saying is invariably quoted when the rise of the Habsburgs is put down to the success of their dynastic marriage policy, in which young archdukes and archduchesses were frequently married off as children to members of other dynasties, or indeed to relatives of their own.* *Emperor Maximilian I is credited with the greatest success in the implementation of this policy - through his own marriage and those of his son Philip the Fair and his grandson Ferdinand, the dynasty gained Burgundy, Spain, Bohemia, and Hungary. However, the famous saying ignores the many strokes of luck that contributed to the rise of the Habsburgs - and also the fact that their gains were by no means always achieved without loss of blood. Wars were an equally important element of Habsburg policy as marriages.*

[@RodolfoGaming]

Amazing video as always and Happy New Year

[@oliversherman2414]

I love your channel keep up the great stuff!!

[@TheAustronaut03]

1:59 the contrast between the detailed borders of france and the vague splotches of bohemia are hillarious

[@TheJohnblyth]

Yours is the only list of patrons I bother to listen to :)

[@McRocket]

This channel is - IMO - fantastic.

[@karmo1629]

Congrats on 350.000 subs!

[@cynthiabrent6479]

Fascinating the way diplomacy has evolved-- from arranged marriage to having a person to represent a specific country. One must also consider the advances in modern technology, which makes it a lot easier to handle major concerns and problems.

[@richyhu2042]

I'd argue that social changes played a bigger part than technology. You have to remember for much of history the concept of nationalism as we know wasn't really a thing. The King of France was seen as the nation of France. But once we got nationalism as a concept and the idea that a nation is made up of its citizens and not its leader, we didn't really have one person to stick a political marriage on since (especially after republics and democratic voting became more widespread) the person you're marrying for political power might not even be in power in five years.

[@MerkhVision]

Modern communication technology really helps a lot. It’s much easier to conduct diplomacy with a simple phone call or a quick plane trip than to send a letter via a guy on a horse that’ll take weeks or months to get there and even longer for the response to arrive back to you.

[@su_morenito_1948]

Happy new year!

[@navilluscire2567]

2:55 That one slayed me! XD later... **diplomat finally returns from the long journey to his kingdom's neighbor on behalf of his lord** French king: Good, very good! Now that we've established a dialogue...ask them how is the weather over there! French envoy: ... **diplomat begins long arduous journey over many miles back to their neighbor's kingdom and sovereign**

[@orangedude8013]

"3 years later"

[@fulcrum2951]

Sucks to be anyone honestly in that era

[@jeffbenton6183]

@@fulcrum2951 Or in any era before the telegraph...

[@sail2byzantium]

And Ghost Jesus with stigmata! @ 3:04. Man, I love these!

[@frordsfidoruh]

This was interesting and I would love am even more indepth version cause this is such an interesting subject

[@tammygant4216]

The pope's eyes move! I never noticed that before (There are so many clever jokes and asides, I like to re-watch these videos)

[@davasaurthereal4678]

Happy New Year everyone! Keep up the great work HM!

[@STTNLNDR]

Happy New Year!!!

[@njujuwd3495]

Me: *sees title* Marrying off your daughters and marrying your cousin, because, what else?

[@PANZERFAUST90]

dumb comment

[@neerajvishwanath3179]

Happy new year

[@CosmicCleric]

@0:52 Ok, I admit it, I laugh snorted when I saw the "Insert Earth here" caption for the UN symbol. Well done!

[@margaretlear1388]

Happy New Years

[@Ifyoucanreadthisgooglebroke]

It seems like there could be something of a topic to be made of the relatively brief phenomenon of declared war during the 19th and early 20th centuries.

[@evandonovan9239]

I miss when our country actually had to declare a war to have a war....

[@Luka__1]

I can't stop watching these videos! help!

[@AftermathRV]

I See the 100 Patron war Ends with James bizanette ebforcing his claim of the 1st Throne, usurping any of the pretenders in recent history

[@gideonmele1556]

And things were restored to their rightful sense once more

[@Hungeryan]

I wish you a happy new year :D

[@GeographyWorld]

0:39 I'm Irish yet I understand the Scottish

[@flawyerlawyertv7454]

Interesting. Cheers!

[@Vinemaple]

That historical "dad joke," though... that was brutal!

[@wfcoaker1398]

3:05. Ghostly Jesus with dots on h9s hands. Lol. Nice touch.

[@jaimec1011]

I'm pleased this is the last KZbin video I watch this decade

[@antoninhummel1136]

Great video. And Bohemia today!!!

[@biggbals4375]

3:06 ''Insert earth here'' Brilliant

[@Hilversumborn]

Happy 2020 everyone.

[@markeos7753]

“How did medieval diplomacy work” Incest Video ends

[@ZgermanGuy.]

Lots and lots of incest! So much that no one can walk straight

[@reviewgodusa9613]

You should do how diplomacy worked in ancient times. Like between Rome and Persia.

[@sail2byzantium]

Fantasy Tapestry ("Tapisserie Fantaisie"). HA! I assume this is in contrast to the Bayeux Tapestry ("Tapisserie de Bayeux") And then "Scotland Forever!" ("Alba gu brath") @ 0:38-ish Too funny!

[@jeffreyzervos6938]

I love how he continually just disses scotland.

[@fret1]

Ok this is epic

[@6ebenezer452]

I love your videos, how do you get these stuffs, your too smart.

[@0rangevlad]

you're

[@galenusv7831]

Ur

[@maxmatthews2463]

The closest vassal gets the bad news. You're going to have to go talk to the cannibals good luck.

[@MichaelBrown-yi5eo]

Have you considered making a video on life in Japan during allied occupation following WW2?

[@Vinemaple]

I think he has one

[@navilluscire2567]

1:27 *Medieval Popes:* We demand front row seats!

[@miniaturesandstuff5209]

When you're allied with two opposing A.I. and have shared vision....

[@concept5631]

Video idea: How did medieval diplomacy evolve into modern diplomacy?

[@IronDragon-2143]

I noticed when you showed the Kingdom of Bohemia it was made up of several geographically disconnected territories. How did that work in the Middle Ages?

[@felyp3able]

During this time period all that land was under the Holy Roman Empire, and the emperor at the time was Louis The Bavarian, his election as the emperor was the result of a big portion of the empire nobles thinking the king of Bohemia was too strong ( keep in mind there is a myth that say the german electors dint want a czech emperor, but thats a lie since John of Bohemia was Luxembourgian, born of a franksh house, therefore had more blue blood than any guy from Germany/Austria proper ). The electors tried to elect a guy from Austria, a war was to happen if they did that since the king of Bohemia would not accept, and the electors would not accept another bohemian king as the emperor, so they chose Louis as a compromise, he was a weak emperor and effectively every part of the empire rule almost independently at that time, thats why the bohemian king managed to keep all of that under 1 crown on the holy roman empire. Later on the bohemian line would go back to rule the Empire for 3 more generations, but the lack of male heirs would make every corner of the crown land be divided by cousins and brothers in law.

[@stepanhrebicek8309]

Well John of Luxembourg came from Luxembourg, so that's the most western territory. Bohemia, Moravia and Silesia were inherited together through his wife, Elizabeth. So was Poland but he wasn't actually ruling it, he just used the title. The north of Italy was given to him by the holy roman emperor, his son didn't inherit it though.

[@cub8280]

@@stepanhrebicek8309 that was Mazovia not whole Poland. It was Bohemian vassal at early XIVth century.

[@MerkhVision]

Due to weird inheritances because of political alliance marriages, many nobles and rulers ended up ruling several different bits of unconnected land in different regions.

[@MrEFMinecraft]

Ah james is back. Good

[@bonwatcher]

I'm just here to read the great signage. "I own you" explains fealty of one state to another very succinctly. 😂

[@Moose-iz1uo]

These videos are great because it appeals to my short attention span.

[@ericcarson4513]

3:07 i feel like John Major is in a lot of your vids

[@realhawaii5o]

Anglo-Portuguese alliance 4ever

[@angrymonkeynoises]

Less when the brits wants to connect its colonies in Africa

[@Dayvit78]

@@angrymonkeynoises Well you see, it's more of a one sided alliance. You don't attack us, but we can attack you.

[@sharkronical]

James Bisernette : I told you! I'm not the Messiah! Everyone : He's the Messiah History Matters : He's not a Messiah, he's just a -very naughty boy- frequent Patreon donator

[@PANZERFAUST90]

dumb

[@danielcuevas5899]

Next video idea: what happened to the Anglo Saxon aristocracy when the normans displaced them?

[@kreehomel]

Basically, it was one monarch saying to another monarch: "Hey, haaaaaaaave you met my relative/noble friend?"

[@EaglebeakGaming]

I’m now more confused… well done sir +1

[@Taporeee]

Bring back longer videos

[@yesitwasmejojo3324]

The facial expressions got me dying lmao

[@phatato]

WHAT WOULD ROB WATERHOUSE DO?

[@dominickharris3020]

You should do a long unedited video of you talking about a subject you like. Easier to make so you don’t waist time only to get demonetized

[@flyboymb]

King of France: hey, I have an extra daughter laying around, want a treaty? Holy Roman Emperor: eh, I guess, send her on over.

[@hlonimojapelo2936]

2:23 Me anytime I try to do housework

[@TentaclePentacle]

You actually do have to declare war, not with the one you are attacking but with your direct overlord like your emperor. You need to present you casus belli to your direct overlord and he would have to approve it.

[@valentinhanriot-colin5797]

Happy New Year Folks !

[@Ricardodelamuerte]

The ghost Jesus killed me 😂

[@WilhelmPetersen]

Yay! *turns on notifications*

[@brendenwright7957]

After rewarding this, I only just noticed the "David woz ere" on the prison walls when talking about John II... I'm pretty sure that's a reference to King David II of Scotland, who had been captured by King Edward III during the Second War of Scottish Independence... Though he was eventually ransomed back to his kingdom.

[@whiskeynovember8498]

I like that bit of Gaelic at 0:40. Alba gu brath. Scotland forever.

[@javelin2811]

hey could you do the sengoku jadi period?