How Did Perturabo Become A Demon? | Warhammer 40k Lore

[@weshammer]

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[@fernandozavaletabustos205]

Peter Turbo is spite incarnated!

[@darthrevan3342]

What about Ferrus manus hammer? I though that was teh explaination.

[@timetome4440]

plz make a vid about the lucifer black

[@noctier9385]

Word

[@Tom-ux4ho]

can you make a vid about the warhammer books, i really wanna start reading, but i have no idea where tondtart

[@HorrorCoffee]

i like the theory that when Fulgrim stole some of Perturabo's life force, the wound left by him was slowly killing Perturabo and thus he needed to make a massive dreadnought like lifesupport system to survive.

[@huronblackheart]

I agree with you

[@Lazrael32]

yep. that is my head canon no matter what GW does.

[@kalebgonzales4009]

“Iron within and bleed.” - imperial fist

[@Jacobp-li9fi]

​@@Lazrael32same

[@dolos4301]

I think it would be cool if they explain the "living" armour as demons he trapped within the armour plates itself or something like that, if they don't just ignore it

[@Nyghtking]

Whats funny is the Iron Cage was basically Purterabo forcefully switching roles with Dorn, and making him experience what the Iron Warriors had to go through during their battles, and Dorn wasn't prepared to do that but Purterabo was every but prepared to be the defender.

[@manjurawat5215]

That's genius , I never saw it that way

[@mogwaiman6048]

Dorn was prepared to do that. The Iron Cage was a penance for the legions guilt. The IF had no intention of retreating.

[@eltonjohntubola3212]

​@@mogwaiman6048which was fucking dumb. Dorn was clouded by his anger.

[@vanillaicecream2385]

@@eltonjohntubola3212 both primarchs were children, its just dorn held his tongue and focused on his work when peter bitched..... seeing his father absoltuely bodied by horus kinda made him crack which is why he was so stupid in the iron cage

[@xmaracx]

Perturabo was absolutely not prepared to be a defender, did you even watch the video? He outright refused the concept of a defender, he didnt want anything to defend. Dorn had to protect terra, perturabo just made a killbox with every advantage and none of the disadvantages of being a defender.

[@khairallahdh]

A short story that featured Pre-Heresy Peter Turbo is one I really enjoyed. It showed his sheer pragmatism. It was him and a force of his elite iron warriors who deployed to support a group of imperial fists under siege from Orks. After securing the ridge and eliminating the Ork artillery, they sat on the ridge and watched as the green hordes broke on the fists defenses. The entire time his sons showered scorn and criticism on the decisions and techniques of the fists from on high while Perturabo remained silent. After it was done and the fists had won Perturabo looked at his sons with disgust. “You lashed down nothing but scorn while observing one of the best defensive specialists in the imperium. Rather than observe and learn you looked down on him and degraded them despite that none of you could have done what he did this day.” And then walks away from his sons to go talk to the commanding son of Dorn. He may not have liked Dorn or the fists, but he did give credit where it was due. Disappointed in his sons that their pride was too great to learn from their rivals.

[@notani3533]

I think I remember that from an audio drama called "Stone and Iron." Although I remembered that he kinda insult the Imperial Fist captain he saved.

[@primary2630]

Do you guys know what this is from it sounds cool

[@ChristopherDwiggins]

Which is funny since he did the same thing by scorning them and not acknowledging they come from his genes so they get it from him.

[@prasunkumar1125]

@@ChristopherDwiggins which is why he is trying to correct their mistakes. it takes one to know one.

[@Jenksz]

Perturabo went traitor just so he could fight Dorn. That's it. That's the tweet.

[@rgal6852]

And no one without siblings will ever understand that that’s a legitimate reason 😂

[@JoshuaKevinPerry]

I'm glad Dorn is dead.

[@demonic_myst4503]

And because he trusted horis

[@fernandozavaletabustos205]

Peter Turbo is spite incarnated!

[@doktorparadox1791]

Anything confirmed by GW or again pure "logical assessment"?

[@patrickdees5256]

Bit of a theory: Perty ran into Vashtorr, who, even if not having the aspirations of becoming a chao god yet, fashioned a new armor perty to make him like a daemon primarch; while also acting like Guilliman's suit in keeping him alive.

[@wesleyridge9696]

I think that makes more sense than him somehow becoming a daemon prince without the help of a chaos god

[@Tehguuui]

So is vashtorr like belakorr now?

[@TheRedWake1]

​@@Tehguuuiyes

[@jaega4247]

I also believe Perturabo is somehow connected to Vashtorr, but I like to think that it's the former using the latter to ascend to godhood. Vashtorr is the pawn and precursor for what's to come; Perturabo is the final boss of that storyline.

[@Lunch_Meat]

@@jaega4247 I want to agree with this, but I think it's a hard sell writing wise and, if anything, it will make perty look worse rather than better since the only reason he'd kick Abaddon to the curb and take over as the leader of the chaos space marines would be to fuel his massive ego. A sort of "I told you all I was the best! But you didn't believe me!! Why didn't you believe me!?" Thing. And then he loses anyway because, you know, GW love them good Space Marines. He's still my favorite chaos Primarch though

[@hammock1804]

Perterabo always seemed like he'd infect himself with the Obliterator virus as a middle finger to the Chaos Gods

[@raideurng2508]

Considering how he turned out, he basically did.

[@jeffy1862]

Perturbado,the middle fingerin’est motha fucka in 40K. Is there anyone that he doesn’t have an axe to grind with at this point?

[@josedaniel3394]

I think he the one who created the virus to save himself because obliteratos eat the machine spirit of weapons so he can keep himself alive

[@Retroloft556]

I always got 'No. Fuck you." Vibes from Perty.

[@alecnorona4277]

That would be interesting to see

[@michaelkean5969]

I do love the idea that Perturabo’s daemon form is essentially just a big Iron golem looking Robot. If that is his Canon appearance it makes so much sense that he’d outright refuse to become mutated like the others and choose to become more machinelike. Hell I’d go so far as to say that the Iron warriors aren’t really CHAOS marines not in the usual sense,

[@Bobbb-f3i]

You think becoming a metal golden is not mutating? I get what you mean just joking cos of how you said it

[@onoezful]

I could see Peter turbo being a servant to Vashtorr

[@aleksanderbaraniak6208]

@@onoezful Yes and no, from all we heard just now Pertrabo would never accept anyone above him for a longer period of time. He thinks he is better, and he wanted to be a God himself, not serve a 'lesser' one.

[@Lazrael32]

@@aleksanderbaraniak6208 what if he combines with vashtor? honestly Fulgrim, Angron, and Mortarion never intended to become demons. Fulgrim arguably lost himself to a demon possession, Angron had it forced on him by his brother... sadly forever denying him the death and release he wanted, and Mortarion was betrayed by his captain, and only agreed to it to save his legion.

[@marcgid1174]

It would probably be more like partners with vashtor having some sort of leverage that perturabo works around.

[@notani3533]

Perturabo appearance sounds like he isn't being ascended, more like put into life support. Reminding me of Huron, where he made a pact with Chaos to save his soul in which his appereance is like a broken cyborg. Makes me wonder if Perturabo is a daemon prince or ended up as a semi-being like Kharn or Lucius.

[@Lunch_Meat]

In the warp, it could be both. Using demonic life support while he regrows his own warp infused strength. Especially with all the iron fists geneseed stuff. Could be that instead of being in debt to the chaos powers, Perturabo paid the price upfront for some extra support.

[@alecnorona4277]

Could also potentially be a dreadnought like deal

[@mateuszk3812]

Personally my favorite headcanon is that Perturabo just adopted that title and kinda plays along with it more for the reputation/ability to stop his soul from leaking and slowly killing him, caused afther the wound Fulgrum delivered - rather than being truelly a daemon primarh by choice

[@DarkApostleNoek]

I think it was mentioned in the Vashtor book that he and Perturabo have a deal of some kind. If Perturabo's ascension was actually a forging in the Forge of Souls this would make sense. Until his debt is clear he has to listen to Vashtor. Now the debt is usually donating to the Forge but considering this strength of the Daemon not all deals are the same. I assume they had to fix Perturabo up from what Fulgrim did, and give him actual power.

[@Dustbinlid1]

Fun fact Dorn stole the line "drag him back in an iron cage" from Marshal Ney one of Napoleon's greatest Marshals. When Napoleon escaped from Elba and returned to France (this is just before Waterloo) Ney was charged to arrest Napoleon and Ney pledged he would return Napoleon alive in "an iron cage". When Ney finally met up with Napoleon instead of arresting him he joined Napoleon's forces.

[@walmartian422]

That’s one thing I don’t understand because the context is so different Ney was just placating the king and at the time the king didn’t even buy it he saw right through him and knew Ney was just being theatrical and insincerely overly dramatic. In the context of warhammer Dorn was just dead serious and there was no way he would just relent upon seeing perturabo. So it’s kind of an odd thing to reference.

[@jaketheberge1970]

What I think would be good is retcon it so that Perty makes a deal with Vashtor in exchange for the gene seed from the Iron Cage he helps him cheat death, turning him into a kind of primarch daemon engine. Vashtor seems like the one daemon Perty would willingly work with, and Iron Warriors love daemon engines.

[@Broomer52]

Yeah Vashtorr and The Iron Warriors both respect each other and he mentioned he has a deal with that Primarch. His deals involve cybernetics, augmentations and weapons. Theirs a theory that Perturabo became what he is thanks to Vashtorr and did so to keep himself from dying after what Fulgrim did to him. Even his Iron Warriors aren’t truly demons rather warp tainted Space Marines, and they make a habit of cutting off infected areas and replace them with cybernetics. In that sense Perturabo would be less of a Demon Prince and more of a Warp Tainted Cyborg with a debt to pay

[@ianyoder2537]

Personally I hope not, I like the idea of a non chaos traitor so much better. Chaos for being the big bad of the setting has become underwhelming and predictable from a reader standpoint. Besides I think it's a lot more interesting to see a traitor scavenge and struggle for survival in a hateful universe rather than just have things gifted to them by chaos. Weather or not they're actually malicious or just have different morals than the imperium. I'm also set in my belief that if there's going to be a Dark mechanicus should focus on xeno technology, AI, and other tech heresy rather than chaos. That, and primarch dreadnaught.

[@blender11th]

There's some really good parts in the Night Lords omnibus where they have to scavenge armor from either loyalists or from the corpses of their own, and the book points out which legions the parts making up the main character's armor come from, it could be what you're looking for.

[@Lazrael32]

agreed. It's unfortunate GW has such fun and unique concepts like the Iron Warriors and Red Corsairs and seems to go.... yes..... do that... except make them more like the black legion! lol

[@ianyoder2537]

@@blender11th That exact book is why I brought this up.

[@communisticus191]

I feel its because GW insists on Chaos being largely just being evil because theyre evil. Hard to make that very interesting for that long. Chaos has so many ways you could make them interesting, hell, all the gods have a positive side for a reason, so why is GW fine with moral greys in basically every other faction except Chaos (who should be antagonists that carry the setting). Also 40k seems to have forgotten, gifts of chaos and such should also actually feel earned through major feats, rather than just given out whenever.

[@ianyoder2537]

@@communisticus191 Korn in theory: The god of war, violence and anger, but also honor, courage, strength. Gifting his worshipers physical prowess beyond human limits and protection from magic. Korn in practice: Rushing into battle headfirst brains last and winning because *"F^CK YOU! YOU'RE NOT ANGRY ENOUGH P^SSY!"* Tzench in theory: The god of knowledge that should not be known and making what should have never happened become reality. Gifting magic and knowledge to it's followers but with an unknown price that will be payed at an unknown time. Tzench in practice: "That plot hole and lore inconsistency is, um, because of tzench. No I will not elaborate." "I'm so smart that I'm going to use the power of my mind to create a giant blunt instrument made out of pure intellect to beat you over the head with how inelegant I am." Nurgle in theory: The god of stagnation and decay. Not creating new life or preventing death but drawing out what already is to the point it can no longer be recognized. Gifting his followers unnatural resilience and a joyful apathy to everything. Nurgle in practice: "Hay! You want to see something gross?" Slanesh in theory: The god of pleasure pain and excess. Drugs and sex and rock-n-roll. When passion becomes obsession perfection is never enough a cultist is born. Slanesh in practice: Being ignored by GW because Slanesh is the god of sex and western censorship standards means seeing a tiddy is worse than bloody and visceral disembowelment. Chaos Undivided in in theory: Chaos in it's purest form. A combination of all of the above or showing some new aspect of chaos that isn't claimed by one of the 4. Chaos Undivided in practice: "Just put a bunch of spikes on it and call it a day. Yes, for both design and lore." Chaos Corruption in theory: "Literally every thought and idea ever had is made manifest in the warp. And it wants to return to you're head. Every unkind thought, every cruel secret, every question unanswered. And they brought friends. Nothing in the universe is safe. But is it really all that bad?" Chaos Corruption in practice: "OOooooOOOOoooooOOO cHaOOOssss OOOooooOOOOoooooOOO it's spOOOooookyyyy. And it's goooOOOoooing to get youuuuUUUUuuu. Unless you're not human ... OOOoooooOOOOOooooOOOOoooooOOO."

[@DC-nv6uu]

I feel it would fit better if he became a demon primarch of vashtor as he’s a smaller chaos god of logic and mechanics so I feel it would work better but have no clue how they would fit it around peterturbo

[@Izy5981]

i think they might do that in the future, but my theory is that Perty is going for Godhood, like the emporer

[@ceresbane]

@@Izy5981 he can't go for god hood unless he has a large psychic presence in the warp via alot of people worshipping him. Or unless he somehow recreates his own version of wagh! energy through his legion.

[@Gr33nOfGrundleburg]

Perhaps it's more of an uneasy alliance he established with Vashtorr out of necessity in order to stay alive.

[@christiandauz3742]

Vashtorr is a Daemon, not a Chaos God He's below Malice

[@justinokraski3796]

I think if Vashtor isn’t a chaos god his relationship with Perturabo would be more equitable. More like a boss than a master

[@ncrnmcn]

If Vashtor ever becomes a 5th player in the great game, Perty would be the best candidate for daemon prince for it

[@ZiggyHigh]

Vashtor would be the only chaos god that Perty would would be willing to follow. Both view logic as the best way to work in the warp.

[@dwaynewrighton8547]

I like the idea of vashtor basically being perty in cosplay - vashtor even looks more mechanical then he does biological (like most other non war engine daemons). He probably has made some sort of deal with ruinous powers, or the forge itself, hence his continued service to chaos, and "vashtor's" current powerplays are just perty having had millenia of reflection and planning, and putting into motion the most mass efficient way of him clearing his debt

[@thatotherguy8138]

This! Yep. Perty being a Demon Prince NOW is something I don't particularly like - I like the "Dying Perturabo, encased in Life Support Armour" better than Demon Prince Perturabo. But if Vashtor became a full on equal to the other 4, then I could see Perty turning to it to save his life. Or better yet, Perty offers it his support, the Iron Warriors reassemble for some kind of Chaos Ritual that requires the power of the 4 current Chaos Gods and their Champions be used... setting up an Iron Warriors vs Everyone Else In Chaos. And it turns out that Perty has been planning for this for a few thousand years - hell, I would even be willing to make it so that it was Perty who put the idea into Vashtor's head that Vashtor could be an equal to the Chaos Gods.

[@grimnir8872]

@@thatotherguy8138 I know you're a Primarch superhero fan, but you do know Vashtor has existed as the master of the Forge of Souls in lore for a while now, and is far stronger than Perurabo due to that scenario? Perty is a retard with a napoleon complex. Vashtor is technically a minor chaos god.

[@joseestevezhernandez558]

the ultimate plot twist would be if Perturabo became the fifth, and Vashtorr is his firstdaemon prince

[@godforothchannel4272]

I would personally LOVE to see Lorgar coming back, to see how he thinks of the Imperium using his old texts as the foundations of their religion….

[@OrkOfOhio]

Well, if Lorgar returns, then Corvus is not far behind… so Lorgar for next return!!

[@Zeliek]

In my headcannon Lorgar should return as "born again" loyalist that was leeching "worship power" from the Imperium and his texts. Creating a new schism in the Imperium with one side going back to the extreme fanaticism and the new Imperium with like Ultramar (and the Rock) trying to rebuild the even older ideal Empire! Also Perturabo and Ferrus Manus should be revealed as "Men of Iron" aka AI that both compete to be the true Omnissiah

[@kingpyrrhusofepirus6686]

@@Zeliek wat

[@randyruger9063]

Lots of interesting possibilities, I don't think he'd be flattered to see them using his teachings to worship a god different from the one he was worshipping that particular week.

[@worldspam5682]

I think he already know by some warp magic. I think that's to what he jerks for millenias.

[@Lazrael32]

I have always preferred the idea of the iron warriors and Perturabo being more renegade space marines than chaos. Much like the red corsairs I believe making them just like the other chaos marines strips them of their uniqueness. Being anti-imperium without being pro-chaos. Heck originally the red corsairs were supposed to be pirate space marines. They are so generic now that i have seen their capture of Robute attributed to either Magnus or the black legion. I even like how more recently Iron warriors were shown to only use demons as war engines. to basically bind them to something then let them wreak havok. I'd even be cool with them leaving the warp an conquering their own corner of space.

[@thepoliticalgunnut8018]

Doubt it. I like to think he currently resides in some massive primarch sized dreadnought.

[@cmiguel1321]

I think that during the time peroid that has not been writtten yet by the authors' of Warhammer 40k, Perturabo failed in his attempts to resurrect Calliphone, in his frustration he sought the powers of Chaos to complete the act. Now he has her hidden from all, maybe even himself, thus hiding the reason he turned to Chaos.

[@marcgid1174]

This explains the whole demon ascension in a way that I think makes a lot more sense, and could actually be cool to investigate in the future.

[@Arcangel61286]

My expectations is he’s helping Vashtorr behind the scenes all to betray him and ascend to god hood so that he can go to Terra and try to kill the Emperor. Either that or he’s secretly the avatar of Malice and we’re finally going to see the god step into the fight.

[@SpiritStoneWarrior94-yx3gs]

We won't ever see Malice tbh, he's been retconned out of existence. The Sons of Malice now just follow Chaos Undivided, and Malice has been removed from the lore.

[@DrakusLuthos]

@@SpiritStoneWarrior94-yx3gsThat's so stupid, Malice was literally ANTI-CHAOS, why would they follow CHAOS UNDIVIDED?

[@shrobee]

@@DrakusLuthos Malice is god of all destruction, He is not the chaos god of being anti-chaos

[@abelbabel8484]

We'll never ever see anything Malal for copyright reasons.

[@abdullahirfan9991]

I personally like to thing he's augmented himself to be on daemon prince level while having bits of warp corruption. But I'll accept him being a daemon prince only if vashtorr has something to do with it

[@Lazrael32]

What if he designed his armor to absorb and funnel the corruption? Like he is wearing a suit of demon enslaved armor?

[@abdullahirfan9991]

@@Lazrael32 that's a good theory, and it'd fit with the whole "using chaos but not failing to it" thing he's got

[@IRCannonFodder]

​@@Lazrael32 That sounds metal as hell and very Perty like, to outsmart the demons rather than make deals with them. He isn't a Demon Prince in a traditional sense more like he is in essence a Demon Engine, they are his fuel but not his power.

[@Freekymoho]

I find it interesting that demon perty looks...basically like himself? From the description, its mostly his armor that is twisted

[@weshammer]

It's all fan art. I don't think GW has released an actual picture of what he looks like

[@Freekymoho]

@@weshammer I meant the description in the shortstory. It basically just paints him as corpse white, with dark eyes and cybernetic cabling.

[@mogwaiman6048]

Fan art.

[@Freekymoho]

@@mogwaiman6048 the story description

[@radcut7404]

Honestly, yeah. Also, random thought. I know it has been confirmed that he is a demon prince, but his skin being described as "dead flesh" confused me. Shouldn't Perturabo as a demon prince be more invigorated? It wouldn't surpise me if it had something to do with the soul sucking thing Fulgrim did to him.

[@ragingrhino4422]

You have been my introduction and main teacher of all things warhammer, love the work you pour into these vids and look forward to every upload. Wouldnt mind seeing some more grimdark storytime

[@glue6143]

Only reason I prefer non-daemon Perturabo is because a chaos primarch dreadnaught sounds really cool

[@Significantharrassment]

My favourite part is when Perturabo said "it's perto time" and demonstrated his T-posing skills in front of the funny not so alive emperor

[@antonkovalenko364]

*"IT'S TURBO TIME!!!"*

[@Someguyyoudontknowyo]

I would love a long form video that covers all the primarchs and their current status in the lore. I’m still new to 40k but I’m loving all your videos.

[@Prattical]

Great video! Love Perturabo, hope we see more about him in the future! I would love to have more dark mechanicum, iron warriors, and Vashtor being chaos besties.

[@Maljurok]

Perturabo may be one of if not the only character in this universe who makes his superiority, while others would see as pride, to be an absolute fact. For him to become and being his own man after becoming a Daemon while his chaos brothers before him became pawns, all to essentially make a point, is beyond all levels of flexing and badassery. It is as if his mission is to become a living embodiment, a message to the galaxy even, of something along the lines of "The galaxy would be a much better place if we weren't getting in our own way." In which case, he would more than likely be right given how everything bad that is happening and has ever happened in their universe is pretty much their own fault in one way or another. I swear if Perturabo ever ends up killing Lucious The Eternal and not be affected by his curse, than that may just end up being one of the greatest moments in 40k history.

[@Jasx_501]

I honestly wonder if Perty and the Necrons will will have some sort of interaction considering they're made of living metal and all that. Vashtor seemed to help a lot in that regard though. Either way, more Perty content is always welcome.

[@farseeraradrel4808]

For anyone wondering, it's because Daemon Prince Perturabo came before Primarch Perturabo. In 1988, before the game's 2nd Edition, GW released the "Realm of Chaos" series. Two books introducing Chaos to Warhammer 40k and Warhammer Fantasy, fleshing out both setting and placing the influence of Chaos in it. These books took the early Horus Heresy and laid the foundation of what would become the largest conflict of 40k. But at this time, whilst the idea of Space Marines Legion was there, GW hadn't yet come up with all 20 of them. Only the Black Legion, World Eater, Thousand Sons, Death Guard and Emperor's Children were fleshed out, to give each of the Chaos Gods their own force (Undivided, Khorne, Tzeentch, Nurgle and Slaanesh). However, Perturabo and the Iron Warriors are present in the first book (Slaves to Darkness) and are described as renegades in service of Chaos. At the time, he wasn't a Primarch, simply a Daemon Prince. When 2nd Edition came around and 4 more Traitor Legions were added, GW used the name Perturabo and the Iron Warriors (probably because it sounded cool). Then, his character was fleshed out in the novels, creating the contradiction we have here.

[@Spiketicon]

Late to the party, but this. Nobody cared that Perturabo was a Daemon Prince because his distaste for Chaotic mutation and sorcery and daemons was written into the lore many years AFTER the fact that he is a daemon prince. As good as the HH series is at times, it sometimes feels like they weren't entirely written with the established lore of the grim dark future in mind.

[@MrBonesWildRide]

Simple answer, Peter Turbo had to become a Daemon because the writers said so.

[@Ironbattlemace]

I didn't want to.

[@maximusd26]

he was my favourite (pretty much the only legit) traitor before I saw a comment calling him a beta and Dorn an alpha. fact he's now a demon is a big part why he became BETA

[@cjthebeesknees]

@@maximusd26 You let some neckbeard utilizing such cringe terms with full seriousness change your mind? Ehhh, ironic.

[@maximusd26]

@@cjthebeesknees it was too late, he portrayed Dorn as a chad and Peter Turbo as a soyboy, the debate was already over

[@nathanielcockayne2376]

I was just about to say something like this. Just to fit a narrative that works just to do it. When we run out of ideas we take other ideas that have worked and take it for a tweak

[@Elayzee]

How I the fuck did you manage to put another amazing video out so quickly?! You're a God Emperor yourself Wes! :D Thanks for all the dedication you put into educating us on this incredibly detailed universe! :)

[@griffynstainbrook2420]

I love Perturabo, and your inclination of him and Vashtor in some way interacting makes so much sense. His demonic Ascension is a good choice, conducted through a ritualistic sacrifice of the gene-seed of his sworn rival and counterpart while also rebuking the demonic lords and refusing to utilize their forces and magics is a great character aspect. That said? I’m sticking with the whole ‘Demon made of Living-Metal that looks like a really buff Titan’ versus the ‘dredged corpse and hissing cornrows’ look!

[@williamings773]

I like the idea of Pertrabo ascending to deamonhood to then encase himself in a deamon engine, I think it would be fitting. Deamons enhabit engins to free themselves from warp dependence, a weakness Pertrabo knows all too well from his bout with Angeron. Forging a deamon dread to harness warp power by his own means would alleviate that problem.

[@Sala.Lindberg]

I guess you have heard this from many people, but it was you and the content you posted on tiktok that made me love warhammer 40k. Keep up the good work mate!

[@pedronogueira5267]

Seeing all of this siege of terra and horus heresy storylines made me want a "which books to read for what series" video. There are TONS of books to read from, and it's all over the place. I think that specially now that people should hopefully be joining the fandom with the 10th edition out, space marine 2 coming out soon, and tacticus and boltgun also on the market, you should use this oportunity to make a video on which books to read to follow which series, like xenos series, imperial guard series, or all of this primarch drama series! I for one am reading gaunts ghosts for a while now but i'm still very very lost.

[@BovineIntervention]

It's pretty common sense though. Siege of Terra is the end of the horus heresy.

[@lasskinn474]

just read whatever as entertainment. if you just want a lore thing for why something is something just read the wiki instead. you don't need to speedrun the entertainment part, it's not like it's like actual education (or fully in sync with other books).

[@judefranklinguerrero2527]

I’m kinda new to warhammer and with your last bit, I’m really curious at what retcons GW has done to characters and factions, or like the top 10 retcons/controversial changes to the lore. I think that’d be a cool video

[@XCRunningMan95]

With the rise of Vashtor in the Arks of Omen arc, I would love Robo-Perty to be the next Primarch to return in the service of Vashtor

[@cameronbrown6983]

I'm convinced that Vashtorr is the bing he did the ritual for because come on, that's the only warp entity that he would willing work with.

[@Lazrael32]

I think he will be. It'd be cool if vashtor's end would come not at the emperium or chaos but instead a pissed off Perturabo that he tryed to enslave. That or they are going to go through with him as the 6th chaos god.

[@martinstuvland8620]

19:35 Well caught 👏 This is something that would've bugged me too in the sense of right being right! Appreciate it. But also the understanding and respectful way you pointed it out. Thank you. PS! Glad to hear someone else also appreciate and give credit to Games Workshop ability to keep and maintain a relatively coherent and sensible overarching plotline!

[@matthewdickerson826]

Poor perty needs some fatherly love.

[@thunbergmartin]

Hey Wes, just wanted to say that your videos make me happy! They are well written, fun and informative, and i love learning about 40k. Just know that your time put in to this content brings joy, and hope you are doing well! :)

[@skiba789]

Vashtorr and Perty seem like a dream team for sure

[@iancowan3527]

I may watch a few videos of others, but I won't find anyone else that will stop their own words to set the record straight, because! Wes, you have more loyalty to the game than any character within the game! Much respect, and thank you!

[@Toneill029]

I was surprised to learn that iron warriors got rid of mutation cause I remember seeing pics online of a comic where the iron warriors clearly having mutations with one having a ram’s face and horns.

[@cascadianrangers728]

That's one of the most impressive army collections and displays I have ever seen, and I've been playing 40k since before it was even called that; I had to restart the video a couple times because I got distracted staring at your models in the background and completely stopping paying attention to what's actually going on in the video!

[@ItsBertie98]

I would love a standoff between the csm Iron Warriors led by Peter Turbo and the Tyranids. Two brute forces facing off against each other sounds so amazing

[@crismamuerta]

Those “editor’s notes” are what make you the best dude …. You are for real !!!!

[@TechNinjaSigma]

I'd love to see Pert and Vashtorr interact, they're my favorites!

[@chucklytell]

Awesome all around (IRON WITHIN, IRON WITHOUT) but that is the best rundown of the Iron Cage that I've seen yet

[@thiagobecker6144]

i really admire your work with that passioned 40k-lore-vids of yours and i think it's so great that you are that precise about your sources of knowledge; especially pointing out sequence: 17:53-18:09 in that context; your videos are like academic essays or articles and they remind me of my college years in social work where i had to read all these academic studies and magazines. i think your really unique at youtube with that scientific approach for sources and references in your video work amoung all the other content creators of 40klore. best grüße from germany Thiago Becker

[@TheMichaellathrop]

Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal! I could also see Perturobo's apotheosis being him managing to pay Vashtor's price. From the way GW has set up Vash as a demonic arms merchant/loan shark and the enslavement comes from not being able to fulfill your own end of the contract, but unlike a lot of the others he let's simple math do his work for him and doesn't double deal to ensure that his clients default makes him likely the best god to deal with for someone like the lord of iron.

[@itsdantaylor]

Considering the iron warriors do tend to ( to my knowledge) summon demons and encase them in machines it would not surprise me for Perturabo to become a daemon and then encase himself in order to better fight his enemies.

[@mohdridhuanmdkamal8582]

Perturabo being an independent minor warp god leading an independent iron legion faction would be awesome.

[@Skedarking85]

I was pondering about Demon-Purty and wanted explanation. Thank you Wes!

[@GreyJuggernaut]

While this is something of a personal take I always thought of Perty taking the Daemon makeover was something he did out of necessity after suffering from, let's face it, a lot of damage. Be it from Fulgrim stealing some of his life, actual battle wounds during the siege of Terra, or even after the siege from who knows how many warp entities that probably thought "here's my chance to devour a very powerful weakened soul". It seems like something he'd do begrudgingly more than willingly and to top it all of probably on his own terms in his own way. It's why I kind of like the idea of him being depicted of a giant made out of daemonic metal. Rather than go through some ascension ritual where he'd turn physically into a Daemon Primarch he said "screw this I'll do it my own way" and found a way to forcefully conduct the ritual using technology fused with some warp smithing. He is Petty Perty after all and there's no way he'll accept becoming a weakened shell of what he used to be even if it meant giving himself into Chaos.

[@BeyerEfendi]

Really appreciate your commitment to research and showing primary sources and quotes. Lot of "Here's what I think therefore it's basically canon" 40k content out there.

[@farkasmactavish]

I have to disagree. Warhammer doesn't do retcons well. Because it doesn't do retcons. It does "Ahh, but are you _sure_ that's how it happened? Is the _narrator_ even sure? Was that data corrupted over time? Is someone lying?"

[@Acheron420]

More tyranid and space marine lore please, heavily interested in it since the new space marine 2 game was revealed and so far you’re the best lore channel for warhammer I’ve seen

[@gagedevaney5115]

Iron within Iron without

[@tobysharples111]

Lore on perturabo is thin and hard to find, but this video threw in a few things I’d never heard before- thanks for making it! IW are my boys, I really hope they get specific models and rules in the future

[@LordSirKniight]

I'd love if Perty became a Daemon Primarch of Vashtoor if he ever ascends to a Chaos God

[@Khorzho]

OH! This is something I've wondered about... thanks for covering it!

[@deanoliv2880]

I hope he's not a deamon, but just wearing a giant dreadnought as armour to screw with people's minds

[@wanderingoglethorpe]

Really good video, been trying to learn some more about all of the primarchs and this was a great overview.

[@Neknesch]

I like the theory, that he isn't a demon, rather he build a kind of life support system around himself that keeps him alive due to the wound Fulgrim gave him, which would also explain why he is as sane as he is.

[@ginnungagaplemniscates1405]

Love the video. Arkifane and Perty is a vibe, but I have just been wanting Perty to come back, under any circumstances, for a long time. I think he needs to have like, perfected and infected himself with the obliterator virus, exerting full control of his daemonhood and the perfected virus and his dreadnought-like sarcophagus of armor.

[@Crouza]

Of all the character trajectories that throw me for a loop, it's Perturabo. From brilliant but petulant redditor who'd always blame someone else for any of his shortcomings and would look for any excuse to decimate his sons, to an actual leader capable of taking criticsm on the chin and fostering growth in his sons. It is wild that falling to the forces of chaos seems to have made Perturabo more compentent when everyone else got worse from it.

[@frogs3384]

as a person who never read any 40k and only gets any info based off youube and got into WH40K based off youtube its crazy how much lore there is my fave chars out of all the videos ive watched since almost 2 years now are magnus and perty!

[@luckiller019]

just.... they should retconned Pert into the first deamon primarch of Vashtorr

[@warwolf3232]

that, or undo his ascension just doesn't fit him

[@abdoul5176]

I was typing this comment when you mentioned my most anticipated meeting between Perturabo and Vashtorr, so I second this motion. I admit I haven't read any of the Arks of Omen books yet, but if I were, I wouldn't be surprised to come across a Perturabo tease. On a separate note, I'd love a video on Erda, but I pretty much watch all your videos.

[@MrPapamaci88]

Bricky's video about the legions was pretty spot on about Perturabo and the Iron Warriors. "Perturabo and the Iron Warriors do not serve the Chaos Gods because they like them, they serve them because f*** you!" They use Chaos for their ends and Chaos uses them in turn, that's it.

[@Lovablejames]

As an iron warriors fan boy, I really hope they do justice to my boi peter turbo and dont just make him become a demon lord out of some dues ex machina. I honestly hope they retcon this in a way we have a primarch that chose heresy not to serve chaos but chose to rebel because screw you.

[@warden-1894]

I have my own theory, but I’ll admit it’s really more wishful thinking than anything else. I think that Perturabo isn’t a Daemon Primarch, but rather a Daemonhost. He used the gene seed to summon a powerful daemon from the Warp, then bound it into himself in order to access its power, stating in control through force of will. I feel it explains how a Chaos-hating individual could gain daemonic power, since most Daemon Princes had to show a fanatical level of devotion to achieve their status.

[@meetmehalfway7982]

@ WesHammer, sir, @ 16:01 here Fulgrim is said to have tricked Perturabo and here at 16:17 it is said that these things will not happen to him (him being Perturablo). This order of events is not logical.

[@thomasalegredelasoujeole9998]

Didnt perturabo sustain a wound by fulgrim in angel exterminatus that caused him a soul leak anyway ? And he had little choice but to ascend to avoid slowly dying ? Or is that « Reddit » shaky lore ? I also appreciated Perturabo in his spite for the loss of control of his erstwhile brothers. And yeah, Vashtorr makes the perfect Daemonic Partner for Perty. Engine oriented, no double dealings, frank and upfront. The logical step for me would be perturabo wrenching the title of warmaster from Abbaddon, but well, lets see if GW goes with this Avenue of thinking ;)

[@maximuswedgie5149]

I’m new at this lore. Mind blown daily. It never ends. I love it.

[@Alam_Eldin_Ali]

I have a theory about Perturabo. The new god and Perturabo of them will work together to stop the Tyranids then they change their focus to the other gods and the Emperor of Mankind.

[@0SgtRoadkill0]

The index Astartes article does talk about the IW disdain for the immaterium and mutation. I always saw that article (originally in White dwarf) as a founding piece for what they'd become

[@martintheaquilanshield3917]

You forgot he's also a professional incel 0:31

[@heroicbob]

00:24:00 "Games Workshop is really good with how they handle retcons". But that doesn't seem to stop them doing some major ones. As I recall, the first time they did the 13th black crusade, Eldrad Ulthran's soul ended up trapped in eternal conflict inside Abaddon's planet killer ship to disempower it. And then all of a sudden he was alive and well and creating the Eldar god of death while Abaddon had a 2nd attempt at the 13th black crusade. I know they wanted to use the number 13 for the devastating effect of the Cicatrix Maledictum (spellcheck pls), but they could have just made it the 14th black crusade and had Ynnead resurrect Eldrad instead of pretending round one never happened. p.s. I was less involved with 40k by this point, so I feel free to fact check me :)

[@lobo2367]

I don't know why people are confused about this. Perturabo thought he already was a perfect logical war machine and always sought more power in material *things* rather than himself or his men. In his mind he reached his "peak" long ago, and all he could to was find new toys. His latest fascination was using the warp as a *thing* that can be harnessed. His fate is one of the most obvious paths to Chaos lol.

[@heliosdelsol]

I'm still fairly new to the 40k lore. If someone reads this can you explain why the IPs wouldn't just forsake the whole siege and just use a planet destroying weapon to just wipe them out altogether? Cuz aren't there weapons that can literally crack a planet in half in 40k? Or do you guys think it was literally just a narrative thing? Cuz obviously you want them to have a big showdown. Wes it would be so awesome if you could answer this, but I'll be happy with anyone knowledgeable.

[@Fragile_Sounds]

In the past it was always said Dorn knew it to be a trap but walked into it wilfully since he and his Legion were against the division into Chapters (as were Leman Russ and Vulkan for that matter). He knew his Sons need to go through the pain glove experience themselves in order to be reborn as a new force. Thus, the Iron Cage.

[@randomman11167]

This is a really smart way of battle, GG to Perturabo for planning this out. It's a really cool combat style.

[@disgruntledtoons]

The first rule of war is to do what your enemy does not expect. Perturabo did not expect a simple Exterminatus, so that is what Dorn should have done.

[@TK199999]

It should noted that Iron Warrior units and installations have been noted for using Warp powered weapons batteries. But then got eaten by Tyranids. But I am with Majorkill on this and I don't think Perturabo is Daemon Prince of Chaos Undivided. Unless Vashtorr does become a 5th Chaos Gods and then ascended Perturabo from the future or something. No I think the idea that his ascension is lie spread by Perturabo to prevent others from thinking he is weak. Also that he he is still dying from Fulgrim attempt on his life. Not to mention we have never heard of Daemon Prince of anyone but Nurgle who have necrotic and dying flesh. It would explain is lack of madness and the fact he wanted to be a God in his own right and not a slave to the pantheon.

[@VictorIV0310]

Please do a future video on some of the alternate Heresies such as the Roboutian Heresy, the Dornian Heresy or even the Imperial Heresy!

[@boy5390]

A good friend of mine summarized it to me with "He caught AIDs because fulgrim pulled a sneaky on his ass"

[@zsosborne]

I want the IW's to get their own models and codex so badly. Whether they choose to keep him more of a renegade, or pair him with Vashtorr if he ascends. They would be such a cool standout from the usual chaos-alligned models

[@v02max75]

Vashtorr YES! Honestly, I cannot stand that he and Abaddon are working together in the forefront and Perty is in the back(as ALWAYS) haha. Kinda makes sense, in a meta perspective. He STILL isn't getting the recognition he craves. But it does make a ton of sense that he and the Arkhifane(sp.?) would be working together with Perturabo's love of technology and Vashtorr being the literal Daemon of Technology. I can't wait to see the model GW comes up with when Perty comes back to the setting. Soon......

[@dasvuffenspousaller2872]

Passages from "Angel Exterminatus" and "Slaves To Darkness" reference that Perturabo's soul is being siphoned in a way that resembles what happens to the Drukhari. Some theorize that Perturabo has been missing from the setting, because he didn't ACTUALLY go daemon. In his refusal to bend to Chaos, he's been spending his time trying to stop, or circumvent that siphoning. Essentially turning himself into a Dreadnought. Others say that he just kind of decided, "fukkit" and went daemon because it was the only way. Backed into a corner, similarly to Magnus and Mortarion. But the quote about how Perturabo and The Iron Warriors want to force order upon Chaos really reminded me of a different theory. There's that one theory that talks about how the Emperor was ACTUALLY actively seeking Godhood. He wanted to become a fifth Chaos God, and basically be a Chaos God of "Order" This is such a tin-foil hat, cooked conspiracy, that I think could be somewhat correct for no other reason than the fact that it is so insanely, "wtf" But here it is; I would open up the theory by referencing to the fight between Guilliman, and Mortarion. Where the Emperor basically possessed Guilliman's body to completely dunk on Mortation. The biggest thing that pressed Perturabo to go traitor, was his jealousy and anger towards Dorn. By the time we get to the Siege of Terra, Perturabo is kind of done with everybody's bullshit. But just stayed traitor because he was just kind of way too invested at this point. He was over all of the bullshit, so he busted up the palace and basically said, "Alright, cool, I've fulfilled my oath, I upheld my end of the bargain, I don't really have anything else for y'all, GLHF." withdrawing all of his forces and ragequitting. Perturabo regretted going traitor after he saw how far his brothers plunged into madness. But it isn't like he could ever come back to the Imperium. I would also like to note the Fulgrim clone. The Fulgrim clone was perfect. Since his original body got yoinked by the daemon. And then there was the Horus clone. The Horus clone was a little piece of shit. But the Fulgrim clone was LITERALLY him. The Primarchs are not their bodies. The Primarchs are their souls. Perturabo's soul is being siphoned / eaten away. And he regrets going traitor. Perturabo and the Emperor have such a hardcore anti-god/anti-warp mindset. What if Perturabo comes back as like, an "avatar of order", the Emperor is filling the gap of Perturabo's soul. Emperor is channeling himself through Perturabo in a way. Or similarly to the Sanguinor, what if Perturabo comes back as like, "an imperial daemon"? Writing this has also made me consider another conspiracy that is a MILLION times more cooked. Vashtorr is such an interesting Chaos entity. This dude doesn't play around. He doesn't do deceptive-daemon shit. He just has a good time being the arms dealer of Chaos. Just chilling at The Forge Of Souls making stuff, and the Chaos Gods don't really mess with him, cause I mean, he literally makes their shit, so they can't really get rid of him. The warp is completely unstable.The Chaos Gods have to begrudgingly accept his existence because of how influential he is. This lad literally binds lesser daemons to his will via contract. And Perturabo is known for his expert craftsmanship, and innovation. Vashtorr owes no allegiance to anything but himself. Even the high and mighty all-powerful pantheon of Chaos is essentially stuck kneeling to The Arkifane due to his purpose. What if Perturabo found a way to master the Warp...? What if he truly found a way to dominate it? What if Vashtorr IS Perturabo? Vashtorr is just a version of Perturabo from the future, finding Vashtorr in the current setting due to a combination of time shenanigans, and warp spaghetti. Or Vashtorr is a version of Perturabo from an alternative universe/timeline/reality. Or at the very least, due to the soul drainage it might not be Perturabo COMPLETELY, but what if there are just pieces / remnants of Perturabo within Vashtorr? Kind of like how Magnus was shattered into the various shards. Those shards are incredibly powerful, with Malcedor literally creating The Gray Knights using them. So what if it's something somewhat similar?

[@arc0006]

Great video. If he does come back the model better look like the art at 21:50.

[@NineSeptims]

@weshammer that picture of imperial fists with ultramarine shoulder pads is so cursed lol (another excellent vid btw)

[@braddewes1462]

Storm of iron was the very first warhammer 40K Book I ever read and i've been hooked ever since

[@theguywhooasked]

Wasn't really on board with perty becoming a demon but after this video it makes so much more sense. I even think it was a prety good idea if it keeps being well handled

[@Mike_W78]

My only iron warrior knowledge really came from the little bit in the Horus heresy and storm of iron. So this was fun. Storm of iron is pretty good.

[@vlad_ussr8390]

I rather like the theory where perti has been dying cause of what fulgrim has done. He has been doing as much as he could to slow down his death/stop it by using machines, that's why he is now a large hunk of steel with a necrotic face.

[@cesarerinaldi6750]

🔴❤️ Khorne Magic: Metal (Iron=Blood)! Perturabo the Demon Primarch of Khorne and his Iron Warriors: just like living armor leaking hot iron generated by their own boiling blood! (And most terrifyingly, despite their rage their minds are intact) According to logic, how would Perturabo seal his pact with Khorne, destroying first Monarchia and then Olympia? Can he become a master of destructive Metal Magic, then creating bloodthirsty Sorcerers of Khorne in his army? Perfect example is the magic of Azariah Kyras as the Daemon Prince of Khorne! Not Kharn but Kroeger the Betrayer!