The Golden Throne's Death & The Drukhari Emperor | Warhammer 40K Lore

[@weshammer]

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[@5thBuddha]

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[@falloutfable1049]

First off. Good work... Second I have a tiff with this whole 30 years of lore The very pure pressure from our ancestors we are still trying to lift. So it would be wonderful if there is a way that you can comprehensively understand that multiple factions are trying to get their hands on a golden throne and a emperor. Such as tryzeen white the fulgrim clone. And the complete 1 to 1 of the golden throne. Granted tryzeen is entirely doing this purely to do something. And getting a copy of the emperor is challenging for him. Making it worth tryzeen's while. While the drukari have been trying to reach the emperor about his cars extended warranty. And by this I mean. Ever since slannesh's birth. The dark eldari have not only been making humanity in general suffer. Not because they want to of course. But because they have to in order to sustain. Meaning. Why wouldn't the drukari attempt to make a half baked version of the emperor and the golden throne. Though this throne and emperor would be half baked to us. To the drukari. It would be enough to free them from slannesh's captivity. Even if it was the equivalent of merely a flash bang into the eyes of the chaos entity known as slannesh. With the birth of the drukari emperor. Probably known along the lines as king homunculus. And would probably suffer a backwards version of what happened to the inquisitor when his blood mixed with the homunculus. Where instead of the inquisitor being slowly transformed into the homunculus where the only thing preventing complete melding of the inquisitor and the homunculus is the inquisitors will power. Meaning. The drukari homunculus lord would more than likely begin to exhibit traits of the emperor of mankind despite merely being a homunculus. With the emperor's genetic code. And in theory as is done with slannesh here. I do plan on doing to the rest of the chaos pantheon. With krons representation. It would be the Tau. Specifically that of the farsight enclave. While tzeench would be nekrons and nurgle the kroot. Just makes sense in my mind don't know about y'all's or if I will be able to translate said sense that I have about these things.

[@bikehunter82]

Now I have a badass Noise Marine shirt and now I will grab Fume. I quit vaping 2 years ago, this will be a better alternative, since life is starting to suck lol.

[@5thBuddha]

@bikehunter82 bro they taste better than commercials

[@webdude15]

you know, if you think about it. the emperor isnt who would be put on the dark throne. it owuld be the star-child. think about it. they pull souls not whole gods and that thing is the only non-claimed source of his power in realspace. a shard of the emperor is something they can bind. its not TOO strong, kinda like a shard of Magnus. that might just be fan theory worthy

[@michaelbillingham5580]

next book series: Dark eldari perfectly clone the god emperor, trazyn shows up, goes "yoink" hilarity ensues

[@Blackwing2345635]

Also yoinks the whole scene of demon invasion, thus saving drukhari and the web. And then it is never used again, everything returns to the norm. Also somehow there should be an old man's squabble with Orikan, and all those galaxy-defining events are just background and nothing more than Trazyn's shenanigans. This would be the peak current WH40k

[@randyping6036]

, I will totally pay for that series on paper

[@garretth8224]

The "Vaults of Terra" covered a Dark Eldar plot, which was to retrieve some of Emps DNA to create a clone of him. They failed.

[@GTFODeathknight]

who else but trazyn *LAUGH TRACK PLAYS*

[@Jadefox32]

​@@GTFODeathknight"it's Traazyn Traazyn you never know what he's gonna do next!"

[@billdefranza4927]

Plot twist, the golden throne is powered by the two deleted primarchs running on giant hamster wheels. The stories about them are the cover up.

[@chadL.321]

🎉😂love the mental image

[@thomassmith2605]

Honestly that'd be a pretty awesome twist to the story 😂

[@animan095]

I need a comic of that

[@InitHello]

Headcanon 300% accepted.

[@rylievalentine7109]

A custodes once saw that. Then there were 3 wheels for a while

[@LiShuBen]

Plot twist: the eldar accidentally create a perfect body for the emperors soul to reside so he just hops to the new body, obliterates all the local eldar and goes back to terra

[@leandrocastello309]

By the time he would be out of the webway there would be no terra.

[@ewokFTW]

Emporor: Calculated.

[@Deadpoolzilla]

@@LiShuBen gamesworkshop: hey, now, let’s not get crazy here. You’re giving our go nowhere universe something important and we can’t have that

[@Keram-io8hv]

Weird question... Is Emperor strongest psyker in galaxy or there are like Eldr psykers who were stronger?

[@logandickerson5628]

@@Keram-io8hvthe emperor is number one by FAR.

[@al77709]

One way this plotline can be resolved is that Crowl, Spinoza & co establish contact with Jaghatai Khan, convince him to launch a raid on Commorragh, and recover components of the Dark Throne during the chaos, so that the Fabricator-General can scrap them and use them to bolster the original. Adeptus Mechanicus might not be able to repair the throne, but they're exceptionally good at kitbashing existing components and technology into something functional. GW has been moving the plot forward to bring back Primarchs, so this might be how we get Jaghatai into realspace. It would also be fun to see the Dark Eldar, who are so proud of their "raids" on undefended Imperial planets, find themselves on the receiving end of a proper Central Asian steppe nomad style raid.

[@inquisitorgrynthebandito2736]

Why Khan? Wouldn't the Raven Guard be perfect for such a job? There are books on their artifact retrieval missions

[@muda1312]

@@inquisitorgrynthebandito2736 Because it's speculated he ended up in Commorragh post heresy

[@domitesse5867]

@@inquisitorgrynthebandito2736 If i remember correctly, Khan should be somewhere in webway (if he is not dead) so if they are traped inside, he is the only guy they can ask for help.

[@thisistherevolt]

​@@domitesse5867Sandman of Terra put forth the thought the Khan is in a pocket of the Webway where everything repeats over and over. Note that the raiding party that Jaghatai was chasing has never been seen again either. Surely at least one of them would've bragged they tricked/killed/captured/got one over on a Primarch.

[@domitesse5867]

@@thisistherevolt i cant even image what horror would happen if they put hands on primarch. If they can clone Biggie i would not be suprised if they make evil army of very sadistic Khans xD but jokes aside i hope next primarch that will come back is Jaghatai, this dude is one of the coolest of primarchs. If GW wants to expand plot with golden throne and dark eldars that would be perfect moment to bring him back.

[@TheMetroidblade]

I really thought they were going to fix the throne but install a signal that beams the emperors pain directly to them basically supercharging them and putting them in symbiotic relationship with the humans.

[@SireD-si2xt]

Heyyy, I kinda like that.

[@Shogundoxie1414]

Don't give GW ideas

[@JCDenton2012Modder]

This... sounds like something that they would be super into.

[@smithynoir9980]

Dang, that'd be awesome as!

[@danielmartin531]

🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔 out of 🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔

[@Keilink]

Imagine for a minute: Dark eldars get the materials they need, creat a clone of the emperor, put it on the dark throne, turn it on... and instead of daemons from the 4 it's waves and waves and waves of Legion of the Damned assisted by saints that pour out of the rifts x'D

[@voss9842]

I’m just imagining it like “OH NOO HERE COMES FERRUS MANUS WITH THE METAL CHAIR!” Just hops out of the warp for a smackdown.

[@garretth8224]

It wouldn't get rid of the original Emps.

[@jorahtheexplorer3262]

Vect: well .... shit.

[@krommike9904]

if you cloned the emperor you would get a standard perpetual at best. The gifts that make big e big e are not genetic in nature, this doesn't seem very well thought out

[@Benevolent_sociopath]

@@krommike9904read the room

[@Silverwing2112]

Last time I was this early the Warmaster still had hair.

[@KidCaelus]

The Warmaster had more hair than his topknot??

[@Silverwing2112]

​@@KidCaelusHorus didn't have a topknot, whatchu on about? Abbadon has one, I know that.

[@KidCaelus]

@@Silverwing2112 that’s the joke. Ya’know cause Abbadon is the *current* Warmaster. I’m implying i’m too new to have known who Horus was yet EDIT: now realizing too late that the better reply would’ve been “Who tf is Horus?!”

[@eats_a_skittle5459]

@@KidCaelusbro had to break it down for em 😂

[@Silverwing2112]

@@eats_a_skittle5459 Yes, thank you. You've come to the realization that I'm a dumbass nearly as fast as me.

[@Sealhunt]

Now wouldn't that be hilarious: The Dark Eldar create a perfect clone of the Emperor but his complete soul jumps into the new body and wipes the floor with them, but not before shutting off the failsafe device. I can see it now: "Hello everyone! Thank so much for all your hard work on such a handsome new body! Alas, you go die now".

[@Geraduss]

I'm sure they would implement some failsafe in that body, something to insta kill it if it ever turned against its creators.

[@Suninrags]

his soul is framented tho

[@violetchan6402]

tts vibes

[@slimjim877]

Considering what the dark eldar have in their city, I doubt the emperor alone would last long. Remember, he was nearly choked to death by a big ork.

[@mechanwhal6590]

“Gentleman, I hate to inform you… *but you’re all dead.”*

[@icarusblues7699]

Wes, ya' forgot about that period of time where they gave the throne a device that creates speech from text for the emperor to use

[@alfiemcfarland2932]

I thought that was fan made.

[@GeneGear]

@@alfiemcfarland2932 The Inquisition found the Emperor's chatter too madness-inducing, and had the device removed.

[@NegaZxyz]

​@GeneGear That's hilarious, I just got in my head the inquisition going. The inquisition: People of Terra! The Emperor said to remove the text to speech device installed on the throne because he's trying to concentrate and doesn't want to be bothered! :D please disregard the sudden increase in raving lunatics speaking of eldritch knowledge and abominations that have been roaming around lately! .....or else.

[@HeWhoKnows777]

Did you just call Stephen Hawking the emperor? Ok.

[@ColCoal]

Imagine being the Dark Eldar and you clone the Emperor only to find out that him being a crippled husk isn't in his genetics when he comes out of the labs.

[@greybuckleton]

Yeah, how confident in those restraints are you sunshine? It's about to get hot in here.

[@Setesh0]

Perfect example of the 'intelligent but stupid' archetype.

[@Condoctuc]

Am I the only one that wants to see what would happen if the Dark Eldar manage to clone the big E? So what would be so bad, the warp gets even more shut off?? Any theories?

[@greybuckleton]

@@Condoctuc I don't think what makes Big E so special is his genetics. You would make an empty Primarch shell I think, like Fabius has.

[@Condoctuc]

@@greybuckleton didn’t bile manage to make one clone that was a basically perfect but they haven’t unveiled it yet? I reckon the combined knowledge of the Drukhari might be more advanced than Bile as well, didn’t they work together on a little project where Fabius went to commoragh on a friendly visit😂? Game recognizes game I guess! Was always surprised the dark eldar would be cool with him knowing that the emperors children are pretty linked to slanneesh, although Fabius has shown to be basically the only character in the universe with the ability to actually barter and bargain with the chaos gods at a whim.. I do think that the Big Es DNA would definitely have some kind of massive benefit, even for research purposes in the hands of the experts of the humonculi..

[@Calaban619]

Thought: Emperor dies.on Earth, perpetuates onto husk on Dark throne instantly. Astronomical only flickers. Great Crusade to rescue the Living Emperor from Dark Elder. chase them out. Purge the Demons. Throne Secundus now safe in webway, Emperor got his Webway for Humanity afterall. Game on

[@g00gleisgayerthanaids56]

Why would the emperor need rescuing? Hes essentially a chaos god of humanity... be like the demons of khorne trying to rescue khorne... the setting doesnt work at all with a living emperor... lol.

[@jurekovacic1739]

I don't think this is grimdark enough. I think the proper way to do it is to make the new Throne Secundis be used for Emps no.2 to truly ascend, as his mortal form could not sustain him anyomre. Thus taking him out of the realspace but havibg him truly become a true god of humanity. But he would still be preocupied with keeping up the astronomicon, fighting the chaos gods etc, but could take a far more active role in empowering and guiding the humanity. Some hope, but still grimdark af

[@Drakonian-gz2nq]

It would be cool to see the Clone Emperor awakens and just goes "EEEEW!" and kills a bunch of eldar, and then he realizes that if he dosen't sit on the throne the Webway will be entirely overrun, so he sits on it but also constantly fucks with Cammoragh with his Psych powers, like, he is *forced* to help the drukhari, otherwise humanity will never have access to the Webway, but he becomes another sentient emperor so he starts contacting his sons and this could become a greater plotline that the Black Library will never use, ever, cowards.

[@SittingOnEdgeman]

I think this would actually be the most GW solution: Emperor's soul relocates to the Webway on this new golden throne, and Webway portals starts randomly opening up to help Imperial citizens in need, and Comoragh, while free from demons, is now beset by plagues of intense light and sun and fire that cleanse whole swathes of the city. I also think this COULD be a device for the division of the Emperor's Soul between the Dark King and the Star Child. I think the Dark King - representing the conquering emperor, the cold god of Order and Reason that he was becoming at the end of the Heresy - would occupy this "Dark Throne", and the Star Child - representing the emperor's compassion and love for humanity - would be reborn out of the failure of the Golden Throne. That sets up a "civil war" between emperors, which helps balance out the power boost Imperium would get from Big E coming back.

[@monroerobbins7551]

@@SittingOnEdgemanand it could even lead to the conflict and conspiracy of “can these two pieces be melded together again”, or “is one masking as the other, is one truly compassionate or is it a plot”, and it could even lead to plots about the Dark Emperor rigging up a massive network of pain receptors in the brain of the Star Child, and feeding it back to the Eldar, creating super Eldar that are working against the burning Sun consuming their realm.

[@Condoctuc]

Am I the only one that wants to see what would happen if the Dark Eldar manage to clone the big E? So what would be so bad, the warp gets even more shut off?? Any theories?

[@MforMovesets]

Ads be like "We all have bad habits, you, me, we're friggin disgusting filth. Buy our product you filth."

[@Section8dc]

😂

[@MaticustheRed]

Wanna know how we know You're awful? Easy, we're awful, too.

[@MforMovesets]

@@MaticustheRed It sounds less insulting if we let you know we're also awful.

[@alieid9359]

Eldar : creates a perfect clone of the Emperor's body The Emperor: is it for me ? 🤩

[@binglol_2345]

Big E: for me 🥺?

[@kevinthomas4064]

Plot Twist, if they do create their own "Dark Emperor" the Big E will secretly control or at.least influence his clone to control the dark Eldar to do the things he cant have the Imperium do😊

[@monroerobbins7551]

So it’s almost like he’s playing 4D chess with himself… that would be pretty dope, and also SUPER funny.

[@the36lessons11]

The Emperor incarnates into the clone host in Commorragh. Easily breaks out of the Drukhari's control since he is on par with a God. Wastes all of Commorragh and the Drukhari are annihilated. New functioning Throne now residing in the Webway. Emperor's old body on Terra dies. The Gate shatters and the Emperor walks through confusing the hell out of everyone. Humanity now has a completed Webway Project and ample space to reside in.

[@gjfwang]

Not really a grimdark ending

[@anka_art7372]

​@@gjfwangfor the dark Eldar it is. For us, mildly amusing

[@Bori.1776]

@@gjfwangShut it. I like this one.

[@Mastert3318]

​@@gjfwangYeah, but it would be kinda funny for it to end on an anticlimax.

[@GloomGaiGar]

GW has to invent a new IP or else they follow the Drukhari,

[@zawwin1846]

Imagine the doctor just popped up on Terra and like ..huh, this switch is off, let me turn it back on. Then boom, golden throne restored.

[@josiahzabel8596]

I've seen fanfic playing with that.(The Doctor needed him for Demons Run,) Also saw one where The Emperor's is Jack Harkness.

[@jorahtheexplorer3262]

"Would you fancy a jelly baby?" "Oohh my SELF!! I haven't had one of those since we accidentally nuked London"

[@dominiking69]

Warhamer IT department in a nutshell

[@BT293HG]

A clone appears, and suddenly, Trazyn

[@LeonidasRex1]

Because Trazyn happens.

[@TechNinjaSigma]

"YES! We have our own version of the Emperor!" The Dark KING: 😈

[@Mika-Fresh]

Lots of heresy in this video. Time to call the Inquisitor.

[@j0wwify]

Better call luetin09 and get this cleaned up quickly

[@negadoge]

We're already here...

[@Aberinkula9]

They were called and they are currently M.I.A.

[@Joseph_Drew_III]

28:51 The Dark Emperor enslaves the Drukari, becoming their ruler. He may even usurp control of their souls from Slaanesh.

[@TheStrayHALOMAN]

That's what I thought too.

[@CanuckBacon]

Oooooh I like this

[@dinoblaster736]

the emperors eternal streak on the edging throne

[@yopoxikeweapescai9066]

💀💀💀

[@Cthulhuwarlord]

Inquisitor this commentor right there

[@Mondy667]

Fulgrim basicslly

[@PhthaloGreenskin]

The emperor's new goon XD

[@LordCrate-du8zm]

You shall be thrice purged for your heresy.

[@seiglegar]

It's been implied that the perfect clone of Fulgrim worked because Fulgrim never actually fell to chaos, he was possessed... I know more recent novels retconned that, but it would make Traven's clone a viable story path for an uncorrupted version of Fulgrim to return, and a dark eldar made clone of the emperor would be a viable path for him to return in full too

[@zeonmx]

Whats that mean? That the clone of Fulgrim actually has the soul of original Fulgrim?

[@seiglegar]

@@zeonmx it wasn't explicitly confirmed, but yes, that was the implication.

[@HalduBouyaNono2]

So, my proposition : > The Emperor (at least his mortal body) finally dies > End of the Times situation > The WH40K universe merges with the realms from Age of Sigmar > Sigmar is now canon again in the WH40K universe (he actually was in the earliest lore versions since the Warhammer Fantasy world was implied to be a planet isolated from the rest of the galaxy by a Warp storm, that's good enough for me) > Sigmar, who also ascended as a god, sits on the Dark Throne in Commoragh > Repeals demons from all GW franchises. > GW goes bankrupt.

[@thetravellerx5676]

This seems like a great opportunity to reintroduce Jaghatai Khan back into the setting.

[@binglol_2345]

WHEN WILL OUR GREAT KHAN COMEBACK

[@Hyperspace-Hub]

GW: Somehow -Palpatine- -The Emperor- -The Primarchs- … that one guy from a white dwarf short 28 years ago, returns.

[@cotykilgannon1468]

Emporer clone immediately fucks off to Terra, unplugs the big chair and reincarnates like a doctor who season change.

[@bluexco]

Now, wait, who would reincarnate? Would the clone reincarnate, too?!

[@cotykilgannon1468]

@@bluexco I'm a rookie with WH lore but I don't think you can clone being a perpetual. Like, you can get the physical frame, maybe the mind, but not the ability to regenerate/reincarnate.

[@Mastert3318]

​@cotykilgannon1468 Funnily enough, that happened in Doctor Who as well. The Doctor got cloned (sorta) at the end of that whole Dalek multiverse arc and stayed behind in an alternate universe with Rose. Edit: Forgot to mention that the duplicate couldn't regenerate.

[@ravenspromise4925]

annnnd terra blows up

[@mprojekt72]

The drukhari that came up with the plan to clone Big-E are big-mad idiots who were snorting refined, powdered Norn Queen secretions. As soon as they stuck their Emperor-clone on their copy of the Golden Throne, the Pillar Men theme song would play, seemingly from all around them. Their new man-toy would slam down an Uno Reverse card as all the Dark Eldar nearby fell to dust or exploded in everything except delight and pleasure.

[@SvengelskaBlondie]

Dark Eldar: why are we suddenly hearing this aztek dubstep so loud and clear ?

[@justarandombird]

Now i'm curious... so Perturabo has a gift to understand how anything works by merely looking at it... would he, if he was still a loyalist (and less salty (but understandably so)) be able to fix the golden throne and get the webway running as was intended? 🤔

[@TheRaidenLP]

Most likely, yes. But since he’s … well Perty, no chance in hell

[@justarandombird]

@@TheRaidenLP fair enough, and thanks for answering my question btw!

[@wmen48]

Even if at first he couldn't, he would at a point by going super sayan like the khan accessesing his super speed.

[@justarandombird]

@@wmen48 Perty's ultimate form shall be a quantumcomputer that's also capable of creating nice stuff haha (thanks for the response btw :D)

[@gobolgar]

Most likely not. Perturabo's gifts are immense, but he can't replicate alien tech, only approximate what alien tech does with human-derived tech. The core problem of the Golden Throne's failure is that the Emperor 'borrowed' key components from alien races such as the Eldar, hence the Wraithbone psy-channels integrated into its design and other parts. Even the Emperor lacks the ability to replicate these alien parts, which is why the only way to build new ones is to go to the people who originally created said parts in the first place. Perty could maybe jury rig the Throne to last a few more decades, but the core issue is one even he can't fix. Especially since he's no expert on Warp-based technology.

[@RevokFarthis]

"Dark Eldar God-Emperor" a Degemperor, if you will.

[@negadoge]

we can just say degenerate... I think at least.

[@gremblorthesackgoblin7953]

A "Big D" to match our Big E

[@rumorcontrol7873]

I think the collapse of the golden throne storyline is going to intersect with the Bile stole Alpha Primus' geneseed storyline, Bile is going to try to perfect what Belisarius was trying to do with Primus because He know genecraft but Bile is going to accidentally create a new perfect body for The Emperor's soul to inhabit. Big E will likely take possession of this new body circumstantially simultatious to the Throne failing whenever that ends up being

[@weshammer]

That's an awesome theory!

[@Avigorus]

Prediction: the Dark Throne and the clone body will somehow be used as a reset of sorts to keep Chaos from fully winning... but it might come at the cost of Terra itself, due to that contingency (unless there's a way to turn it off so that the Emperor body hopping doesn't destroy the planet), and it could cause mass confusion of navigation because suddenly the Beacon has a new home.

[@ClockworkEngineer]

"The Dark Eldar can't even bind minor daemons." Meanwhile, Mandrakes continue hiding out of sight.

[@tokukeitaro]

"Mandrakes? Not bad...for xenos." - Sgt. Mkoll, Scout Section Leader, Tanith First And Only.

[@gobolgar]

The Dark Eldar capture greater daemons inside torture cubes and power entire blocks of Commorragh through the suffering generated from such pain boxes.

[@grimgoreironhide9985]

@@gobolgarSounds like Green/Renewable Energy 😂

[@flaviofr4v0]

They can clone the Emperor's body, but without his immense soul, the clone would be just another ordinary human.

[@gjfwang]

Would at least be primarch level

[@thrumwolf9583]

​@@gjfwang that could depend on if it would keep any of his abilities such as his physical strength, psychic strength, management skills, and natural intelligence, if it had at least one of theses the clone could turn the tide of a few battles but it could also cause a schism with the clone Big E saying that the imperial cult is lies, which could within itself could cause at worse entire segmentums to split off and rebel, at best ehhhhhh some big players might forsake the imperial truth, such as guiliman, the custodes, etc, but they could also see the clone as an abomination and cause any hope for even a part of the Emperor albiet not possessing his soul, from possible helping the imperium Thank you for listening to my Ted Talk

[@kakyoinpepsi5694]

The dark eldar literally regenerate people’s bodies with their souls intact and in the body on a daily basis, getting the emperor’s soul doesn’t sound too hard for them

[@Sevarrius]

@@kakyoinpepsi5694 Sure the dark Eldar are great at mortal soul manipulation and dumping said souls into flesh receptacles but they can't even bind lesser Demons never mind more powerful warp entities. The Emperor at this point in the timeline is a warp entity on par with if not stronger than the individual chaos gods and the Dark Eldar for all their knowledge sure as shit aren't capable of binding literal warp gods.

[@Mastert3318]

​@@kakyoinpepsi5694Yeah, but usually they have the soul of the body they're regenerating somewhere nearby when they do it. Not on Holy Terra.

[@notthatgerry]

I don't know a lot of homunculus in the context of Warhammer 40k but taking into consideration the fact that Fabius Bile was able to perfect the cloning of a Primarch, the Drukhari are also capable of doing so, and thus, the Emperor in Terra and the Emperor in Comorrag would share a soul. Yeah, good luck trying to control that.

[@-Blackberry]

Yeah and Fabius Bile was personally tutored in fleshcrafting by the Haemonculi so it makes sense.

[@RevokFarthis]

"I can't find a way to make a Dark Emperor work on any conceivable level that doesn't completely contradict 30 years of lore." So GW's gonna do it next week, with the barest weakest attempt at retconning the lore saying "no, its always been this way."

[@theenderdestruction2362]

shhhh you'll alert the idiots who agree with the female custodians or the female space marine fool SHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

[@AngryHomunculus]

The dichotomy of GW

[@givemeanameman1]

You forgot that the new body will be female but still have a mans voice and the emperor will identifiy as Mixed, which will take up 99% of the new lore, with at the end. He/She/They/Them waves their hand and all deaemons and Xenos are wiped from existence and humanity finally has peace.

[@YourHighnessIV]

Gotta love it when Wes uploads

[@micolekreeves6731]

Plot twist: the golden throne is powered by a hamster running on a wheel

[@CantoniaCustoms]

That's gotta be the funniest way to introduce the Skaven to WH40k

[@johnfkennedyinanopentopcar8976]

The emperor was the last guy to pull one out of the warp and when some schmuck tries it they pull the great horned rat out instead

[@Mastert3318]

Another comment I saw had a similar idea but it was the two missing Primarchs! It's a funny thought

[@UGNAvalon]

“If the Golden Throne were to fail, the Light of the Astronomicon would go out, Daemons would pour into realspace, and humanity would be doomed to extinction.” Meanwhile, in Imperium Nihilus: 😐

[@Demopans5990]

I mean, Catachan survived

[@randyping6036]

Plot twist: The Emperor was just a space janitor named Neil who got godlike psychic powers from a warp storm. The whole crew became the perpetuals, but he mind wiped them and planted false memories.

[@nolanbaker2360]

My headcanon is similar, he's just a fluke. No grand scheme he's just a random man given the powers of a God

[@randyping6036]

@@nolanbaker2360 I bet that's not even his real hair. 🤣

[@nolanbaker2360]

@@randyping6036 he would too. Make half his sons bald while he has fake physic hair

[@devingendron2287]

11:30 the idea of a normal human pullling a gun on a custodian at point blank and surviving amuses me. "Stop! that thing belongs to me! One move and I'll shoot" Custodian, a superhuman whose authority comes from the Emperor himself and transcends even the inquisition, who can move faster than the eye can see, and is among the deadliest people in the galaxy by definition, especially at point blank range, looking at this mortal who doesn't think they can disarm and pulverize her before her brain even has time to register their movement.

[@TheBigExclusive]

Hmm...Majorkill and Weshammer both making Emperor videos at the same time. It's a good week for Emperor fans.

[@thetobi583]

The Emperor awakens in his Drukhari body and immediately starts roasting everyone around T2S style before using the webway to warp straight to The Golden Throne... Poor Kitten is gonna be startled lol

[@CyberCyborg_2.0]

my theory is that the dark eldar somehow manage to have magnus the red to sit on the thrown (either by a agreement or convincing him that the dark thrown would make him into a god like his father) Now to be clear the dark eldar needed "The Emperor's blood" and what's considered close enough? One of his sons! If mangus were to agree to this not only he'll be as powerful as his father but it would sort of fulfills magnus's role of having his own thrown sort of like Loki becoming the god of the multiverse.

[@bloodkip9462]

Ain't no way the Dark Eldar are letting a daemon primarch into commorragh for any reason.

[@Khornecussion]

" If you had a perfect clone of the Emperor, but he was six inches tall, would you still torture it? "

[@kiekhem]

You are the only channel i get genuinely excited for when you upload a new vid! I feel like a crack fiend refreshing my feed hoping for my next hit.

[@meik-oliver5931]

I would be totally in for the "Obsidian Throne"

[@GoDoggoGo]

Wes “For All Intents and Purposes” Hammer, thanks for all the work you do! Love your vids and always look forward to seeing them in my feed.

[@danielmurdock9159]

Spinoza and Crowl sound like Warhammer's version of Mulder and Scully.

[@devintrivett4918]

Im just gonna put this here cause I know Wes reads all the comments. I dont know when it happened, but your content is officially my comfort background noise I throw on whenever its quiet or I need to sleep. Thank you for the amazing lore drops and dark stories!

[@weshammer]

You're welcome! Really glad you like the videos :)

[@devintrivett4918]

@@weshammer I can't wait for the next video!

[@ivannaydenov-wb2tp]

Greetings, have a good one.

[@m.mulder8864]

Hey man, you too.

[@Section8dc]

Emperors blessings upon you friend!

[@Chief_American_Patriot]

My theory is that there is just a hole in the webway or something letting demons in, and the "dark" thrown is actually less powerful the the golden thrown so they will just end up throwing a ton of psykers on it or something every day to power it

[@Vohtwomax]

This is a REALLY spicy plot line. I knew parts of this story already, but not the "entire" thing. Couple things to note here: 1) The Golden Throne is NOT keeping the Emperor alive, per se. It is very much reciprocal, a feedback loop if you will. He is powering it and it empowers Him, but He is in a perpetual state of regeneration (think Wolverine's battle with Adamantium) and it is only because of the extra "infusion" from the psykers that allows this process to continue 2) We do not actually KNOW what would happen if The Emperor was removed from the Throne. Yes, it would be catastrophic in the short term, but long term we dont know what would happen, BUT it might possibly allow the Emperor to fully regenerate, based on his perpetual powers (maybe, we don't actually know that either) 3) With a clone of The Emperor, could that possibly allow Him to transfer his soul/consciousness in to this new body, thus allowing him to kick some ass again? 4) if an entirely brand new "Dark Throne" is constructed, could the Imperium not go steal it? Invade the webway, kick some Drukhari ass and just take the replacement? Just a few thoughts on the matter. I would very much like to see GW tale some chances with the setting and explore some of these possibilities. Maybe nothing happens overall, because the new Throne gets damaged or sabotaged before The Imperium can claim it, but there is an entire setting where the Imperium has to send armies in to the Webway to battle Xenos, Daemons, and maybe even Tyranids and Necrons as well. Cool plot piece and I hope GW does SOMETHING with it, even if it amounts to nothing at the end

[@Sayrden]

Interesting thought, but would the Imperium actually remove the Dark Throne from Commorragh? Even if they could seize control long enough to steal something so massive, the Imperium doesn't really understand the Throne. Would they risk damaging it in the process?

[@Vohtwomax]

@Sayrden who knows? I wouldn't put it past them to try it, desperation and ignorance are a powerful combination. We've seen the Imperium do some bone headed shit already, so why not this as well? Even thinking they were doing the right thing could still back-fire

[@owenkelly2940]

Love whenever I log in and see a new @WesHammer video. Have you thought about doing a video on Sepulturum from Warhammer horror? It's my favorite!

[@weshammer]

It's the only horror book I haven't read/listened to yet actually! It's on my list but I've been holding off as I know as soon as I listen to it I'll be out of Warhammer horror books and that...well that will make me very sad 😅. I'll listen to it eventually but I've been saving it for a special occasion

[@duyllama]

Keep up the good work Wes. Luetin09 by night weshammer by day.

[@tanostrelok2323]

Commorragh being kink shamed by cyclonic torpedoes would be one of the best things to happen in the setting

[@Miaholmes4952]

Greetings, have a good one

[@lionheartpt4555]

Hey,you too.

[@khm3r80y7]

The emperor wakes up "I've been 2 steps ahead this whole time."

[@5thBuddha]

Just finished Horus Rising cuz of you Wes, back for more :)

[@Bulgarian021]

THAT WAS really amazing, very interesting lore , man ! GJ

[@PJOZeus]

Have you done a video on the yellow king yet? Dont remember if you have, would be fitting as a follow up for this Should do a slight broaded look into the character as well, information outside of 40K but pertinent to the subject, give people a better overview and expand their horizons

[@LordReginaldTheThird]

I actually love the fact you warned me about spoilers, the wholesomeness warms my heretical heart. but in saying that sometimes I need to know too much to know what's worth knowing (especially cause I started on this journey by playing the dawn of war games and only recently gotten really into the lore) 😊 with hundreds of books to choose from I feel I need to be a little picky to start with even tho I want to know literally everything haha.

[@DakkaDakka12]

They should have gone to the craftworld eldar instead of drukari. Craftworld eldar are more likely to work with the imperium. Craftworld eldar are not flesh crafters, but they have successfully put a spirit in a robotic body with wraithguards and wraithlords so I imagine they can figure out how to fix the throne and maybe even improve it. Perhaps the eldar could restore the emperor or the throne enough to communicate with the emperor and therefore ask for his protection from Slannesh as payment.

[@gobolgar]

Ironically, the Craftworlders are a lot less likely to agree to such a deal because they might look down on humans in general, but they harbor genuine fury towards the Emperor for good reason. He's the one who sent out the Great Crusade with a no-xenos policy that destroyed so many Craftworlds purely for the sake of human expansion, so there's a lot of bad blood there. The Drukhari don't care about this, though, they can and do sign bargains with humanity if they can find a way to profit from such deals. Just very likely to also betray them if they think they can get away with it.

[@Bracus_Jawn]

Luce Spinoza and Erasmus are two of my favorite characters in 40k. Their dynamic is so awkward and complimentary at the same time. Feels like a buddy cop movie reading those novels. I haven’t read the last one so i’ll come back after 😂

[@iancowan3527]

So originally the throne was supposed to be access to the Webway, but instead is the only way that humanity could travel the Warp... Huh? What the hell would of been done to Emperor if the Webway had worked? Just like I don't get the mass sacrifice of thousands of innocent citizens to "power" the Thone isn't a little over the top and creepy!

[@cyrusserapheth9555]

The Throne wouldn't have needed the mass sacrifices had things worked out. At most, either Emps or Magnus would need to sit on it, but given the Throne is a godlike psychic amplifier that wouldn't really be that bad for them. Again, had it worked out. So in a brighter timeline, the Throne would be used to open a gateway into the Webway and keep it open for as long as necessary, while humanity migrated into the Webway and started "Terraforming" it. Once the gate could be closed, the Throne could just be turned off. But we don't get that timeline. We get the bad timeline. Thus, the psyker sacrifices, which are there to help the Emperor power the Astronomicon and also not die at the same time.

[@iancowan3527]

@@cyrusserapheth9555 ~[ first and honestly most important! Thank you for explaining and taking the time!] So uh, no, doesn't hold water as good or bad timeline period ~ please allow me to "pop" either paths at the same time... First... Are we left to think/believe... That the Emperor is or should be immortal? Which I can grasp living longer and longer lives... But forever? Which would be required or at the very most a new exceptional level of replacement able to "hold that seat" otherwise how could its use serve any longevity? Because the Warp is in place ~ is part of the current game dynamic. Throne became a response, but has no connection ~ the existence or non-existence of one does nothing to the other's existence! So no matter what, not see how it held future usage for long! And Games Workshop tells us the bad timeline version doesn't last forever either because the Throne is failing! Now... The sacrifices... When people regardless of or in spite of natural born or genetic differences are simply a measure of resource and disposed of as a consumable fuel source... Now before "awe that sounds cool" note that an underlining subject that some of us folks call Humanity or being human... That's an utter grotesque and bores on being a purely evil system. Not Boogeyman evil, but the act of taking the living backwards to death! (Live = Evil!? Isn't by accident!)

[@iancowan3527]

Does Games Workshop really figure the Emperor is supposed to be immortal and forever in charge... Crafted Prodigy Clone/genetic Son type Warriors (Primarchs) but no Wife, no blood line hire or future to hand down... And no one is wondering how Humanity or Humans fit that mold ~ even as a game... Fundamental issue I can't say is easy to overlook... Even the God Emperor of Dune ~ who controlled when he would die ~ knew he was at the most just the path and not the final destination! Sorry, yes - real world reality thinking totally got out of hand here... My bad... Lol

[@austinpleasants5293]

Damn probably the best warhammer story ive heard so far

[@Silverwing2112]

3:00 Literally nobody I know has been able to quit smoking by using this product. I also haven't seen anyone endorsing it without being paid so no thanks.

[@yesnooo9029]

Nobody plays raid shadow legends either

[@DeathsAgent]

27:45 I read it as "A perfect addict to my collection" Emperor that fits too well all the same XD

[@redluke8119]

Nothing like sparking up the crack pipe after a hard day's work and watching some WesHammer.

[@nicolefloof]

I'm now imagining the drukhari cloning a perfect body of the emperor, and big E just being like "well, that's useful, yoink!"

[@shinomori69]

Every time I hear more about the Drukhari the more I love them as narrative and story elements. Also Inquisitor Spinoza has such amazing irony in a name as Spinoza was a person from history who viewed reality and natural process as God.

[@theteaobsession7381]

I like the idea of the tyranids making it to Terra and triggering the dead mans switch or chaos finally breaking through, another planet becomes the centre of mankind and humanity is completely scattered and despaired. Hope that the Emperor will return is all that keeps the last pockets of humanity left going. Just the build up and decades long battle for Terra could be amazing.

[@jedi098765]

The hope for the return of SPACE KING

[@ronmiller5968]

This is amazing work. Great job to all involved

[@karanod]

It's clear that the Drukari intend to clone The Emperor; but we don't know what Soul they intend to inhabit this Perfect Host. Which Warp Entities are friendly with the Drukari?

[@mehmetakifodabas9154]

khaine maybe he is one of the few eldari deities left

[@Technoanima]

I enjoy these TL;DR series and hope you'll cover more of them.

[@TeddyKing77]

"BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD, SKULLS FOR THE SKULL THRONEEEEEEE!!!"

[@CarnageCoon]

i'm pretty new in the hobby but what i first understood was: gw makes alot of what-if scenarios but doesn't really get forward

[@InquisitorXarius]

0:18 Technically not true, as something similar occured with the fall of the Eldari.

[@grey8931]

What was it smartguy

[@InquisitorXarius]

@@grey8931 The creation of a giant warp rift. If the golden throne fails completely, Terra and likely the entirety of Segmentum Solar will be consumed by a new Eye of Terror.

[@hakanlantto5073]

Its a nice bookseries indeed, thanks for making content around them. 🎉

[@nunuonroad9969]

6 views after 1 min? Fell off 🌚

[@edgeofdecember_2880]

Yeah could probably make a deal with drukari just give then all of the condemned criminals to do what they want with, I'm sure there would be more than enough

[@BlackCondorXVII]

whilst true... the conedemned criminals probably hold more value to the Imperium due to their constant need for new servitors xD

[@kingmcf2]

This video’s timing, thumbnail, and topic doesn’t help the “Weshammer is stealing from Majorkill” argument. This is in my opinion a better video than Major’s but man the “coincidence” is head turning.

[@blakefauset4549]

Ye I looked at it and it is kinda SUS tbh

[@AdeptusBastardies]

Not a good look at all

[@Dutch40KGuy]

Its funny, we were working and editing this video before Majorkill released his (Editing started 4 days ago)

[@jaymack6981]

Ya, seems like majorkill has alpha legion agents at weshammer hq

[@Stefanius058]

Does it matter when the content they are talking about belongs to neither of them? It happens and creating a video can take some days, why throw away a video because someone else uploaded first while you were nearly done? It would be a waste.

[@denvolmanning4415]

The void throne, yeah that sounds way better of a name.

[@DrBurgir]

It is just so chill to listen to these kind of lore videos while painting miniatures from the pile of shame(thousand sons).

[@Scudboy17]

I could see the Drukari Emperor reincarnating with at least part of the Emperor's, just nope out of Commorragh after nuking the dark eldar, walk into the Imperial Palace thru the now functioning human webway portal, just to resurect his original body with its current soul, then turn to his new "brother" and say "It's good to see you again, father." The original Emperor just responds."No, I am Alpharius."

[@aSkymne]

Even in the grim dark future of the 41st millennium cops still have to discover conspiracies that “go all the way to the top”

[@Sage-Thyme]

If there was a Dark Throne Vect would just be sat upon it with a God Emperor foetus sewn to the back of his hand Evangelion style. There's no way that crusty old monster is letting anyone have a better throne than him.

[@Masterfulmodernman]

Punish me, god emperor, i am unworthy

[@Geebees93]

Warhammer 40k: The series where a lot happens but also nothing ever happens.

[@fasteddy9789]

Wes be taking a revenge right now! Its too good!

[@vallejob.5523]

> The clone emperor becomes a vessel for Slaanesh > it invents Drukhari Custodes. > They are very sexy figurines, and sell very well. > Amazon gets their damn female custodes

[@nickwolfe6684]

*the chaos gods rubbing their hands together waiting for the god emperor's death when his soul finally tries to cross through the warp to reincarnate*

[@rebvamp13]

You got me listening to the series now

[@seanjarick6603]

As a life long Dark Eldar player I have no doubt they could help. That said they would also steal some of the emperors DNA and I can see them making their own Primarks from the DNA

[@AzraelThanatos]

You know, considering the "Failing Throne" thing being limited in information being spread might also imply that it might not actually be failing there. Pulling a stunt to get what they wanted there with the information and more is also very much within their capability for stunts

[@Studioustomcat9]

These books were my first warhammer books, great story

[@runcmd1419]

I could see a soft reset ‘long night’ scenario where the Emperor dies, and is gone for a short period of time, allowing chaos to wreak havoc. Then the star child is born, creating a new astrinomicon like beacon but weaker, and a great crusade is launched to bind humanity together once again.

[@Erebusdidnothingwrongish]

The watchers of the throne and similar books are my fav:). I just read “Dead men Walking” weird book, I suggest you should read it if you are a lore head. Wes Well done for keeping the quality high 👌

[@Dakkaj320]

Great episode Wes!