How Did Separatist CIVILIANS View the Clone Wars

The Confederacy of Independent System's civilians are often times forgotten by the Holonet news coverage... but what did they think about the Clone Wars and the Galactic Republic?
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[@s4m_1223]

Unpopular opinion: - The Clone Wars TV show>>>>>>>>Star Wars movies - The Clone Wars era is the best Star Wars era/timeline.

[@s4m_1223]

@@7.3gss 😌 Ah, yes. Someone that agrees with me. Thank you.

[@ethananderson9408]

Agree

[@olafgurke4699]

I agree on one hand, but on the other… there's the old republic era. KOTOR and SWTOR are epic.

[@s4m_1223]

@@olafgurke4699The Old Republic era too, yes. And I still think it was a missed opportunity that Disney didn't include SWTOR and KOTOR Canon. Because there's no continuity error and I think it still would have fit into the new Canon timeline.

[@olafgurke4699]

@@s4m_1223 Exactly. The Eternal Empire and Eternal Alliance might've been hard to fit in, but the rest wouldn't have caused any issues whatsoever.

[@Ctrlaltdepression]

It's interesting how the Jedi break most of their fundamental beliefs throughout the war without reflecting on what they were doing. Peace through war? Knowledge without understanding? Serenity through blind obedience? Harmony through subjugation? The true Jedi were dead before Order 66. Keep up the good work, Allen!

[@TheDemonnat]

Well said.

[@patchworkfellow4262]

_Really_ well-said

[@zexalbrony4799]

Now in the Jedi's defense most Jedi only ever came into contact with Droids and evil Separatist leaders like Grevious and Ventress, people and machines that would brutally kill their troops and even use civilians as living shields because they knew that most Jedi and Clones were too good and noble to hurt innocents, so of course, they view the Separatists as evil and must be destroyed to keep the galaxy safe. Heck, Ashoka herself didn't think too good of the Separatists, until she met Mina and Lux, because she had seen the evils of the Separatists first hand, the innocents who suffered on Ryloth, seeing her friends in the Clones died at their merciless hands, and coming face to face with the ruthless Grevious and Ventress multiple times.

[@HolyknightVader999]

Oh, for goodness' sake, if the Jedi stayed out of the war, people would view them the same way Revan saw the Jedi during the Mandalorian Wars. The Seps were as bad as the Mandalorians 4000 years ago, enslaving, bombarding, and killing noncombatants left and right. The only difference is that the Mandos had the balls to do it in person while the Seps let their robots do the killing for them.

[@heybeter9505]

Qui gon was actually the last Jedi with common sense

[@brotherjim3051]

You should do an episode on Republic and CIS backed irregular forces and how they developed into rebel cells in the years after the Clone Wars.

[@pyeitme508]

A living hell? Please make video about Earth's different private contractors from various private military companies compare with the Star Wars mercenary groups? And which side would win? Also there is an amazing comic series known as Black Powder Red Earth that talks about a PMC known as Cold Harbour's ex-sof operators, they are pretty heavily armed from assault rifles to M72 LAWs.

[@ironwolf2244]

Finally, someone details the Local Separatist Council's and their different factions! It's almost never spoken of unfortunately. And gives them more character and depth than just 'Bad CIS'. Many Separatists had Noble intentions, and even fought the Empire later on, after the fall of the Galactic Republic.

[@marinerproductions1315]

You know, I'm amazed you haven't made a single xenophobic statement in this entire video, considering the fact that a large portion of the Confederate population were nonhumans. I'm proud of you, Allen. Keep up the good work.

[@kishinasura1989]

Why do I sense heresy

[@marinerproductions1315]

@@kishinasura1989, the fuck you talking about, guy?

[@marinerproductions1315]

@papasrod, um, how am I a 'heathen,' whatever the fuck that means? I'm praising Allen for his work. How is that heresy?

[@christopherwoodbury7520]

@@marinerproductions1315 It's a Warhammer 40k thing. The Imperium of Man considers humanity the rightful rulers of the whole galaxy. Part of the Imperial Creed is that all aliens judged to pose a threat to mankind's survival must be contained or destroyed. Aliens, along with mutants, heretics and deviants, are all considered enemies of mankind, for they threaten the very survival of the human race. The term Xenos is used to describe non human sentients, so by praising the lack of xenophobia you're promoting the heresy of nonhumans having a right to live and take up space that should "rightfully" belong to humans and are thus a heretic and should be purged. That, in a nutshell, is the whole joke.

[@marinerproductions1315]

@@christopherwoodbury7520, okay. So one, I think I finally understand why Allen, 'American' Ben, and 'British' Ben act xenophobic, and two, is it me, or that sound a lot like Nazism?

[@Teletran35]

I never thought about this before.Your a civilian of the Sepratist movement...you then lose the war.Then instead of just falling to the republic a few days later the Republic declares it is now the Galactic Empire

[@jamiewalsh3349]

Does anyone think there should be a story like a novel, TV show, or game that focuses on the Separatists. And I mean the civil side of it and not on the extremist military jerks of the Clone Wars

[@tjk3430]

No. Move on to new material and characters.

[@G59forlife.]

@@tjk3430 then why are there 18 likes then

[@elgatto3133]

Would be fun

[@squidburgeryt4742]

It’s kinda cool to think about how jar jar fools them all into thinking he’s just some Gungan Meesa proud of him

[@Mech299]

What if Vader found and used the Mask of Darth Nihilus? Given Nihilus's powers over Force Drain, and the power that can come from that, I could see him using its powers to try healing his body, slowly but surely, as an example.

[@awittyusernamepleaselaugh7481]

It's kind of neat how the Separatist council chambers looks so much like the UK's house of commons. The green seating, the dark wood, the tables in the middle, the patterns and shapes used, the layout etc. They must have taken some inspiration there.

[@dustinm2717]

Tbh, if it wasn't for the CIS being just a puppet for palpatine to create an empire, I'd honestly probably be more inclined to side with the CIS Kinda wonder, if the CIS wasn't destroyed by the time of order 66, would the remaining Jedi have joined with the CIS

[@HolyknightVader999]

They probably felt totally screwed. One moment they had quintillions of droids guarding them and they were totally safe, then their droids all shut down, then the now-Imperial fleet starts committing massacres and genocides against them. No other choice but to join the Rebel Alliance at that point.

[@IsaiahAmos017]

What’s the most ethical way to conduct a star war use a super laser use a clone army or a droid army

[@bigredwolf6]

Isaiah Amos Use Ewoks

[@olafgurke4699]

Be a god. Looking at you, Valk.

[@OK-yy6qz]

Clone Jar Jar Bings and use them

[@jamesm783]

I'd say droids.

[@elgatto3133]

Droids

[@Fuckingboredrn]

This vid was released 7 hours ago how does it only have 30 views... Susan

[@FoolHardyQueso]

3 minutes ago for me🤔

[@tigerbread78]

It was only released 6 mins ago to me. Different regional releases?

[@bigredwolf6]

47 minutes ago in Germany

[@FoolHardyQueso]

Susan is drunk i think

[@tjk3430]

Dolphins.

[@luisemoralesfalcon4716]

TCW gave us a great point of view from the opponent side, almost all of them were ignorant of Dooku true intentions but come on, did they all had to go to the terrorist Rebel Alliance? Well, all but the Geonosians.

[@drakehuman6111]

What if Anikin took over the role of “father” on Mortis?

[@ExcaliburHeavyBattlecruiser]

I love how you humanized the separatists, even though I don't like many of the separatists ship designs. They're certainly an interesting faction. I'm personally more of a First Order guy though cause I relate much more to that faction in that I would try to live up to the legacy of my family, but fail miserably. The cool tech certainly helps as well though.

[@Nothing-1w3]

I can agree, separatist ship design visually are bad

[@MrNombik]

I feel the separtist ship designs are great, they are meant to look alien and outlandish to contrast them against the republics venators

[@ironwolf2244]

The CIS ships were primarily to transport Droids, and maybe a few organic Commanders. So given that fact, they wouldn't need to focus on comfort, or aesthetics. Just efficiency and capacity.

[@ExcaliburHeavyBattlecruiser]

​@@ironwolf2244 There is the Recusant class light destroyer which is just too janky. I mean the thing has a Nebulon-B style connector which is very vulnerable and it uses a droid brain that often goes haywire. The Lucrehulk is a cool ship, perhaps the best in the CIS fleet cause the Malevolence has a superweapon that reduces its versatility and the providence is decent but I'd rather use Victory class star destroyers over Municifents and Recusants. Just my opinion.

[@ironwolf2244]

@@ExcaliburHeavyBattlecruiser You made some good points. And the Victory class is quite good. As to the Droid control connector for the ship, the ships are often quite large, so having one unit control all the ship can result in problems. It has to be efficient, but in a position where it won't take alot of damage.

[@macwade2755]

I want to see more stories from the Separatist POV!

[@IsaiahAmos017]

Weird mine says it was uploaded 24 seconds ago

[@calebdonaldson8770]

When you realize that Palpatine's greatest enemy, politically, is his own apprentice.

[@michaelhowze8198]

That's the Sith way

[@gumdeo]

Control both sides, so that losing is impossible.

[@rando991]

The separatist Parliament looks like the British House of Commons

[@bradmorales4002]

Thanks for the info Allen. Really useful for my novel of a Separatist soldier. I'm still gathering. I need a lot.

[@phantavius]

Heya, do you have merch sales?

[@Zazzy235]

Phantis yeh, just check the description

[@stephenlawrence1447]

Hey I just wanted to say I love your content because of your captivating presentation and interesting perspective. Only thing that could be improved is the lighting. Your content quality is way too good and has too much potential to use budget lighting. Keep your awesome content coming!

[@SiNCry0]

War is a racket. Great video!

[@tf_gostt5144]

Its MY BIRTHDAY and this was a great video

[@TDace25]

Nice vid

[@alexhughes1383]

i find it interesting how the CIS had a strutctured government like the republic did with the senate and the chancelor, The CIS had a democracy too in a way dooku was the head of state along with grievous after dooku died. All they wanted was representation for there worlds in a government so it's really just politics as usual in terms of people wanting democratic self governance and there being different factions in the government representing different sentiments. They also had a strutcture like that of a democratic government too they had an executive branch and a legasaltive and I imagine as was said in the video they have a court system we just never saw it. I have a question for a future video what did the sepratists rely on in terms of there economy as they were producing numerous battle droids and ships and the outer rim worlds had industry and how much use did they make of it to fuel the war effort with the clone army.

[@jdcrosier2682]

I’m fairly sure Grievous was only leader in an emergency capacity, and never held any real political power.

[@superomegaprimemk2]

I wonder what would the SW galaxy look like if the separatist won? Would Dooku be emperor in name only and his master pulling the strings from behind the scenes?

[@BozheTsaryaKhrani]

Cis was the good side change my mind

[@logancaine9616]

Can relate to the Outer Rim in all honesty. Such is life in a flyover state.

[@yourstruly4817]

Are the Clone Wars inspired by the American Civil War?

[@akumaking1]

There are a couple of articles bringing up that comparison

[@danielpucher3367]

It seems more closely related to the American revolution - taxation without representation and not being able to have much political sway in a far away seat of power that controls the laws you have to live by at a whim.

[@jamiewalsh3349]

Well there's a faction called the Conferdacy of Independent Systems which might be named after the Confederate States

[@KamenSentaiMetalHero]

It's more inspired by the Vietnam war.

[@pma281]

@@KamenSentaiMetalHero nope, I believe it's like the Vietnam War at times, but it's mostly inspired by the American Revolution and/or the American Civil War. You see, a powerful British Empire (Republic) wants to cause stakes on the Native Americans (Separatists) who are actually against the Brits' aggression and oppression of rights, or maybe the Confederates (Republic) who are racist and authoritarian, against the Union (Separatists), willing to secede from the oppression of the Confederate States.

[@heathward9419]

I love you Allen

[@WildeFyre69]

I sometimes wonder if people who say, "Galaxy" actually mean "Universe". A Galaxy is a fairly small bit of real estate in the _much_ larger universe. Thoughts?

[@kieronfarley1924]

I’ve always felt the separatists were the true good guys and it was just unfortunate they were used in the game of the Sith. The republic have been seen to be corrupt and not to care about their outer systems. It’s like British empire and their colonies were they squeezed out recourses without giving them a say. That being said of course there were some normal people such as Padme in the senate

[@lanekuper3090]

Have you guys done a back story/ brief history on Palpatine?

[@George-re5fl]

1:03 had to rewatch this a good 5 times

[@air5096]

unlisted and 51 views? (I'm here because I was on the channel) tbh I'm really sympathetic to the Separatists, they're objectively more correct from an outwards morality. Not gonna say any leaders were good guys, but if I lived in that galaxy I'd almost certainly be Separatist

[@Type_shi]

Alan you should do a video what would happen if Yoda went to fight anakin and obi wan went to fight palpatine

[@tjk3430]

Obi dies.

[@sargentrowell81]

6:30 - Many don't know this, but Doku was the first to brave a brand new accessory called a neck tie!

[@BowlofIndoMee]

Lol the late Christopher Lee's photos

[@SiriusZiriux]

ROFL If Only Palpatine made Him Dress like That! xD Dooku: "Master I must Insist on a more Suitable Attire.." Palpatine: "Dew It!" Dooku: ._.' 6:27

[@predevaderjirahulkfanmodel7543]

The reason the people of the outer rims have joined and formed The CIS is understundable, they needed a government that can help and protect them

[@bigredwolf6]

PredeVaderJiraHulkFan model 03 They have a government. A shadow government. A hutt government

[@jaimesmiller414]

How about a Venator vs UCF fleet/vessels of Starship Troopers lore?

[@subducks5521]

This reminds me of something in history...

[@misterf2785]

Can you do a vidéo about Non clone officer of the republic navy

[@brockcraft5494]

Why is it unlisted?

[@calebloucks3739]

So I have been wondering and looking everywhere for the different kinds of mandalorian armours and I’m not talking about the crusaders and neocruaders and stuff like that I’m talking about the man do from Disney plus the big boy with the machine gun that argues with the mando when he getting his new armour has a different kind of suit. Later I saw a video making the same helmet from the guy with the big gun and they called is a “Heavy Infantry Suit” so I really want to know are there more different kinds of mandalorian armour

[@theInfamousWraith]

Hi, Allen.

[@joshmakovsky1420]

RIP Christopher Lee

[@danielpucher3367]

Inspiration for a rpg campaign...

[@zackmurdock6051]

I like all of your videos but I forget to press that like button sometimes, I am sorry

[@HuntsCraft]

God damn it.

[@casbot71]

A far away battle that one day they won only to discover that somehow they had lost…

[@karbazagarsonofzadnaon8238]

My brother and I have the type of mugs but its Darth Vader.

[@OK-yy6qz]

Hey i know what if video's aren't really your thing but can you do a what if Palpatine didn't interfere with the Clone Wars

[@tjk3430]

Palp created the Clone War though how would that be possible.

[@beastwarsFTW]

What if Palpatine was killed in one of the attempts to assassinate him. The man made himself a major political target and it was rumored that the CIS had HK-47. What if they activated him and he kill the supreme chancellor.

[@derekmorgan3074]

Okay, seriously, I usually watch the adds to keep money flowing, but really, the Super Bowl "Loretta" google add popped FOUR bleedin' times. Christ!

[@tjk3430]

If you skip ads they don't get money?

[@FyrFytr998]

People are people? Someone likes Depeche Mode. ;)

[@app4902]

Mine says 3 minutes ago

[@JaguarKnight-hk7gl]

Mines says 9 months ago..

[@misterf2785]

Can you do a Non clone officer of the republic navy

[@thehillbillygamer2183]

What do you hard and I need that bag and you gotta late 90s Billy Ray Cyrus haircut

[@avocado5917]

Hi

[@kennykroger6004]

Ay can u look up on the empire and what tf they did with hutt space. Why are stormtroopers chillin in huttspace

[@TheDock_]

What would happen if count dooku was never killed?

[@roguerifter9724]

That's the thing. The Republic started the war on the offensive. And even worse the Separatists had caught a Republic agent committing espionage then caught another Republic agent and a Republic senator trying to break the first out of jail And the Republics response to several of their representatives being caught committing criminal acts in CIS territory was to launch an all out attack with a secret army to rescue them with no attempt to negotiate their release peacefully and even more CIS civilians probably felt the war was justified on their part. Combine that with the fact that preparing a clone army takes time and I'm sure even more CIS civilians came to believe that the Republic had been planning its invasion for some time.

[@calvinmatthews1527]

The thing I never liked about TCW, it almost always potrayed the CIS as the bad guys.

[@marrqi7wini54]

That's why "Heroes on both sides" seems to be a beloved episode.

[@jdcrosier2682]

I personally wish they made an episode where the republic were the unambiguous bad guys, since as it is only war crimes committed by the bad guys are seen as evil. Perhaps call attention to the fact that the republic routinely commits perfidy, and that’s why the CIS doesn’t take prisoners.

[@baldthanos4614]

Allen underestimates the true power of the Darkside☝️🙂

[@Hunter_Brandon2]

Yes. We do look at RT news as more reliable than US corporate media.

[@zyrenium306]

Imagine the eclipse and the supremacy as one and it has a gravity well so nothing could go light speed plus a star destroying laser cannon on the bottom also instead of tie fighters they would be tie defenders

[@kyberghost3607]

Mr. Rex Easy just fly a ship into it... Last Jedi really made no sense, lol...

[@modmaker7617]

The Trade Federation is like Buy-N-Large (BNL) from WALL•E. We need a separation of Corporation & State just like Religion & State.

[@goldfishprime]

It just shows how simplistic and ultimately terrible George's vision of the Clone Wars was until it needed years of expansion. If you didn't have the CW series, you'd just see programmed robots fighting programmed clones as the Senate and Confederacy leaders just sat around and talked.

[@rooksed]

00:57 was that necessary?

[@sonnycher7174]

Hmm interesting

[@grimprime0158]

Droid: for the confederacy!

[@Brick_One_A_Lego_Story]

Roger Roger

[@memmoman]

FOR THE REPUBLIC

[@DarthVader-oe1gl]

AMT Productions shut it

[@memmoman]

@@DarthVader-oe1gl Support the boys in white. FOR THE REPUBLIC! FOR PALPATINE!

[@orioncaster5761]

Clone Wars politics almost sounds like politics today

[@joecormier8894]

I wonder what the separatist civilians thought about general grievous!?? At least the ones who knew about him

[@jdcrosier2682]

Probably just as a terrifically effective general who got the job done. Kinda like if General Sherman was as bad as neoconfederates think he was.

[@thorpeaaron1110]

It's shame we never get to see the view of the true believers of the Separatist movement in Star Wars because many believed that the were fighting for freedom and independence from what they saw as a corrupt system

[@MarcelaKPreininger]

It's kind of crazy that they thought even 1-2 senators per planet is sufficient. I wonder how they chose them. I guess you could split the planet in half either N/S and E/W and then have each hemisphere elect one representative. I feel like on Earth, the East/West divide would make more sense.

[@phazonbumblebee9901]

No one is screwed over more than A.I.

[@Southern_Crusader]

Let’s not forget that the reason the Republic army was sent to Geonosis was to originally track down a identified assassin, then to arrest those involved with an illegal execution. That means that the Republic was justified to attack at the time.

[@marcbartuschka6372]

Don't you think that it is a strange move to send 100.000 men to do so? The people who should be executed also had commited acts which some people may seen as espionage and sabotage. i mean they had hardly followed the normal way how investigations work... Was there much of negotiation and so on? Or did the Republic try to crush the smallest sign of dissent with maximal force?

[@jdcrosier2682]

That depends on whether geonosis was an independent state at the time. If it was, as they claim, that execution was probably legal. Obi-Wan was undeniably committing espionage on confederate Leaders, and the punishment for that under Geonosian law appears to be death via Barahunde. Anakin and Padme are caught doing the same thing, while killing several geonosian security guards. We’re primed to take Obi-Wan’s side in this, since he’s the good guy, but crimes are still crimes, no matter who’s committing them.

[@rhysnichols8608]

The Jedi council,was sent to track an assassin and stop an illegal execution. There was perhaps 10 criminals that needed arresting, somehow that escalated into conquering the entire planet. Also from the geonosis perspective, the Jedi were using the excuse of tracking a bounty hunter to spy and commit espionage on their planet and cause political intrigue. So they tried to execute the spies.

[@hypersecures]

Just like any other random citizen

[@ultrmnml1219]

Bruh Weren't expecting you mentioning Russia At war with Russia? You good bro?

[@zoaku4947]

Soo dis whole time the bad guy's where the Republic?!

[@chrisfalk9762]

Earth vs Star Wars battles: Jabba the Hutt's crime syndicate vs Saddam Hussein Saw Guerra vs Osama bin Laden The Rebels vs The Vietcong

[@commandercody1210]

What if the jedi allowed other sith groups, and didn't kill them. Or they there own jedi use the darkside and lightside cause it is in everybody.

[@jimparis5073]

Dr Count D Peterson

[@JustAnotherCarpenter]

Count doodoo?? Lol

[@nwpgk8166]

Which faction would Rand Paul be a part of?

[@shadowstryker640]

He would probably be neutral and chill out with the Mandalorians

[@Fubblin]

"Do we look at Russia today as a reliable source of information?" Only if you are the head of the US government at this time apparently.

[@scottmurphy4946]

Still hanging onto that old " Mah russia" eh

[@justiceforjoggers2897]

@@scottmurphy4946 Well, anyone stricken with TDS are prone to have irrational phobias of Ivan

[@666JPF]

You predicted Russia’s invasion bro

[@drewyourhostwiththeghost]

One wonder's if Allen realizes that most of the Separatists were non-human species? Humanity First .

[@Prenz01]

Why does the separatist senate look like the british Parliament?

[@jdcrosier2682]

Probably a deliberate homage. Showing that the civilian leaders were good guys by associating them with the US’s modern allies.

[@cancelanime1507]

Look I’m fine with calling some people on the separatist council (like Mina Bonteri) “good guys” because they just wanted to be independent from the republic (not destroy it) but they had no real power over people like Count Dooku and as we saw in Clone Wars he could just carry out a false flag attack to escalate the war, there was zero hope for this camp.. Sure the republic had its war profiting corrupt politicians but it was nothing compared to the Trade Federation and they're war crimes! In one episode you hear separatist senators say that the CIS isn’t run by corporations!?? What a joke they're army is literally created by the fucking Trade Federation! So yes some of the CIS senators just wanted peace and to be independent from the republic but the truth is that they didn’t have any real power! It’s like saying the Chinese’s communist party is good just because some people in it disagree with all the fucked up shit they do!

[@NullXception-]

The Republic had no army. So it was kinda dumb of the CIS to raise a giant rebel army. If they didn’t like tax without representation, just stop paying. Republic had no army to make them

[@gratedbracelet5942]

Can't wait for disney to milk this idea

[@Turbulation1]

what do you mean by milking?

[@gypsyluck1494]

Hi I’m a separatist recruiter, here to ask you one simple question. Do you like taxes?

[@rhysnichols8608]

If they go toward something beneficial and productive that has a positive impact on the whole. But NOT if they are lining the pockets of corrupt oligarchs or going toward a system that doesn’t support or benefit me.

[@tacotown4598]

aaaaaaah

[@connorrandall7027]

This video made me join the separatist

[@Finn_7117]

The CIS was like America and the Republic was like the British, except the British won and became stronger and worse and destroyed a country