How Did The Mandatory Ammo Change & Hit Scan Mechanic Removal Affect Crossout???

[@JBRider]

Last Night I Played some more and I did find a few weapons that were negatively affected by these new changes. The weapons I want to try next are the adapters, the corvos and the spectres to see if they feel any worse. Hope you guys have a great weekend and this weekend I might hop in twitch to stream a bit as well.

[@kirill2525]

if you read the notes, i think they said shotguns are still hitscan cause the range is so short lol. honestly, it be nice to have more realistic shotguns that damage further but maybe have more drop off and a lot more recoil and heating, even though I hate shotguns lol. they also need to make the scorps not just vanish out of thin air. btw what is with that bug when aiming up the guns stop aligning, it really bugs me as I cant aim as accurate at long ranges

[@jogostradicionais553]

It turns out that given the context of the update, not applying the speed mechanic to all weapons including lasers (just use the maximum speed of the game's graphics engine projects) and drones was inconsistent. But if the company's decision is for fun, this harmed foreign users who suffer from ping.

[@jonesdererste8658]

I think the hadron is gonna be EVEN BETTER after this update because you’ll really be able to max that perk now. Btw Adapters were always projectile. The more you know.

[@hamzalitto]

jb, u should try out imps, thier accuracy is much better then how it used to be, there is also a small visual bug with the bullet tracers, like im firing forward and then after X amount of shots a random bullets shoots out the back of the gun. not the end of the world but just a lil wierd. also... ur streaming this weekend jb?

[@shawnfoogle920]

Try cyclones... I feel its a big nerf

[@commentor2013]

one thing thats noticable is the nothung machine guns inability to shoot vertically downward. it makes builds with them placed horizontally and high up on a build unusable.

[@jonesdererste8658]

Is that a new bug or has it always been there? If it’s a bug, I’d report it

[@AlkatrauXX_0]

I'll be honest, I like the new changes, although I'm having a hard time adapting, mostly because I usually play between 170 and 250 ping.

[@RagsLars]

Get ready for lots and lots of melee builds and energy weapon builds! ^^

[@michaelmerrick3928]

I started playing crossout during beta testing.... i honestly see no point in continuing with the game..... I supported the game, but not as a pay to win wus but as an honest play to earn to build player. But unfortunately the game has turned into a complete waste. I can no longer justify supporting Crossout in any manner..... the devs lost focus years ago and now it is only catered to the pay to win. ITS JUST NOT WORTH IT!

[@chxmaera]

this update isnt actually too bad, mgs finally require some skill now, and are better if you can aim. the ammo changes are fine imo, make a hole in your frames or replace other things with some blue boxes. not too big of a deal.

[@michaelakadap924]

Come join us in bedlam. ❤

[@lostmarsh4451]

The glazing is insane

[@andrewkamm8784]

The funny thing is that most of the time, bots are harder to beat than live players. I have found myself getting rushed and defeated by bots with relics, then watching a live teammate play worse than a bot. Like run around the map with no weapon and 4 enemies, even at 14k+

[@kauiz951]

People who aren't in USA always have a red ping including myself idk why removing the hitscan from the game was a good option ?

[@nx142]

If only Europe existed, damn. Too bad I don't have like, no ping at all from where I live.. Outside USA.

[@jcstrydom2322]

Why do they have to do unnecessary bufs and then decide to nerf everything in the category into the ground, they don't seem to realise how long it takes to get your build and weapons to a point where you are happy, then you have to start all over again. This isn't fun.

[@MrLedFarmer0331]

Oh and the hit scan thing, I didn't notice the issue because I had damage numbers off but then my buddy started playing with me and we were double teaming people and still not winning fights. I turned my numbers back on and noticed why I went from MVP 90% of the time with my quad arbiter build to second from last 4 games in a row....

[@johnyseimah229]

ye..now you need skills to win🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@kirill2525]

ya i noticed that i can actually wevw away from the no skill hitscan users, now they have to aim lol. but yall have more range now so don't complain, just get good :P next they need to remove the cacauses and the other no skill guns

[@MrLedFarmer0331]

@@johnyseimah229 I was literally bumping rounds into a stationary target and not getting hits, how is that skill based?

[@MrLedFarmer0331]

@@johnyseimah229 and if you think I can't shoot, click my name goof ball, and find out ;)

[@MrLedFarmer0331]

@@kirill2525 I was aiming at a stationary target and damage was not registering, your comment is ignorant.

[@GoatednSauce]

Myself and 7 homies wanna quit after this update. It is that bad. As a casual, I'm telling ya I don't know a SINGLE person that says the update is aight. It sucked the enjoyment of casually playing the game and the overall vibes are not there.

[@jogostradicionais553]

thats it

[@MrLedFarmer0331]

yep, I was playing last night and the bots were top of the list. I asked why and my buddy said, they are the only ones that have prefect hitscan now... Ohhhhhh. So yeah, I think we are out. We were basically playing in angry silence.

[@blackfossil8646]

Ciao

[@Neverfadeaway772]

Bah they did Good balance feel now refreshing and more realistic ways

[@LeonardoBiasin-yf9qr]

Fatmans are the new raijin kinda just needs the right build. btw, there are alrdy builds for cc(clan confrontation)

[@Ravishrex1]

Also 88m on a Jackie.

[@LeonardoBiasin-yf9qr]

@Ravishrex1 ye but that was good even before only probl was raijin and destr maybe

[@bruhdashno]

I actually don't mind with the changes to all weapons, it's realistic to have ammo limit to all weapons. Aiming part is not that bad, just need to relearn to aim.

[@teggsy2165]

Uninstalled the game Helios do not need ammo crates they are energy weapons not weapons you load shells into.they messed up plus the game is one terrible grind fest and if you do pay they constantly nerf or buff your gear to pee you off, i'll return if they take away the need for ammo for Helios, Keep up the dedication JB.

[@jogostradicionais553]

soon it becomes a supposed update where you must install batteries for your weapons that use electricity to function

[@hotrodchevy4524]

I know right. Just the like the spark and the flash. They are tesla coils, they produce their own electricity. What ammo is there to load. It's B.S.

[@chxmaera]

I only have issues with energy weapons, other than that the update is fine.

[@michaelakadap924]

It would make more sense if they needed batteries. But the concept is the same. You could only fire until your power supply was depleted. How is using ammo for mgs a bad thing? You can’t just fire a gun in real life without ammo. I think people who use mgs have been spoiled for too long. As a cannon user we have always needed ammo. Now mgs are more balanced. You can craft blue ammo packs really easy and fuse them for better efficiency. Two fused blues are better the one fused purple and easier to hide

[@MrLedFarmer0331]

I also think it's a bit of robbery that they sell you a cannon that is great for ten bucks and then make it a POS a few weeks later. That's crap.

[@baron7562]

Agree. But at the same time, you have to consider that they do this very often and very blatantly. So all you have to do is preemptively sell the stuff before they get nerfed

[@tostaydown]

That thing wasn't great, it was busted. $10 for a pay to win weapon is terrible for the game. Sorry you wasted your money, but that gun needed to be nerfed.

[@MrLedFarmer0331]

@@baron7562 I never thought of that. The Raijjen, or however you spell it, was the only cannon that actually felt like it did cannon things. Like, none of them before were able to preform for me at 10k plus and I had 2x fat man builds, 2x 88mm, 2x hulk and I just could not do good with them, never MVP and most of the time I lost. The Raijjen though, that thing could compete and now I can stack the damage multiplier and still hardly break 500 in damage :( how the hell am I supposed to do these cannon challenges when they turn every one into a huge POS? Lol.

[@Ravishrex1]

Well if you have half the community complaining Bout it then after they change it the other complains. How would you do it ?

[@MrLedFarmer0331]

@@tostaydown like I said, it was the only cannon that was competitive for DPS with things like quad arbiters but hey, you have your opinion.

[@midslam]

'It's not that bad' - said like someone who doesn't know what 450 ping feels like without hitscan. Devs could try fixing their game basic, before they start fucking with mechanics. Welcome to the Age of Drone Bricks.

[@chrisbradshaw7049]

Haven't noticed much change in PVP tbh, the hitscan doesn't take that much getting used to and I've yet to be short of ammo, even without extra boxes. Raids are a complete PITA now though, the ammo drops seem a lot worse using mg's and ac's. Spent half the last 2 frontier defences looking for ammo. Went back to threshers and no problem, every other enemy seemed to have some.

[@B.D.B.]

The destructors' nerf turned out to be a buff. Same overall dmg, if you hit the perk, more than before if you missed the perk. They are now at 1400 coin because people are dumping them without realizing this. Get a few while you can.

[@julespelletier678]

We have so much ammo it doesnt change anything, its more of the hitscan that bother peoples I think

[@MrLedFarmer0331]

Sure bothers me. I was aiming a stationary guy as my friend was also dumping into him and be both got like 1200 damage each when normally, a quad arbiter teaming up with a buddy who has the aurora and a triple arbiter build would be getting 4k for a full over heat. So yeah... Very weird to see this all the sudden.

[@shawnfoogle920]

i find mg's better especially the rapid fire ones

[@MrLedFarmer0331]

@@shawnfoogle920 that's an interesting result and not the one I am getting.

[@Jan-j9v]

I like the redesign raid maps and the new mechanics aren't that bad.

[@jonesdererste8658]

Maan. A cup of tea in the evening, while watching your favorite content creator. This is what I call paradise

[@ristorantanen5769]

Ammo seems effecient by MGs and ACs so i havent had to rebuild them. Havnt used any shotties yet though. MG seems to have better range and are slightly weaker. But whats really annoying are the bots. They are so op now. Especially canons and rockets. They already had perfect aim but the damage/firing buff makes them hard to handle. Win or lose now is a matter of what kind of bots you have on your team and that is a dealbreaker imo It will take a while though to play every ride so its hard to weigh in on every change. But bots need a nerf and hard raids have become hard work

[@logiarhythm6285]

I keep saying it for years, bots need to be removed completely from pvp.

[@almostblackbelt]

ammo change is meh but the hitscan change is super nice. also cannons are finally good again after a long time (excluding raijin that thing was op since it came out)

[@boris8489]

As a new player who just recently started playing a few weeks ago. I dont mind the ammo changes, that being said, ima everybody should have been given a free ammo crate. Instead of forcing new players into building one vs trying to progress.

[@Jo_Rogan]

3 avengers hits like 20% harder than 2 hulks now lol at least with a jackie

[@jogostradicionais553]

yes it is as bad as the rumors say

[@johnyseimah229]

ye now you have to learn to aim...somthing you machinegun spammers cant do

[@jogostradicionais553]

@@johnyseimah229 Please, if possible, from today onwards play permanently with a ping of 250+. Choose Europe, Asia, Australia, the choice does not matter. Just stop playing with low ping.

[@shawnfoogle920]

@@johnyseimah229 we know how to aim. Suppressive fire isn't a noob thing

[@clomachero3044]

I really like the new update but DAMN the fights against only bots it's freakin hard sometimes !

[@vonlobo]

Only thing that anoys me is that Hulks are slow as hell now :)

[@marilulopez186]

Can't wait till 34 days after Christmas to get my wifi back.

[@Bloktakong]

I actually like the changes. the prevalence of MG builds will go down. the skilled MG players wills still strip weapons, like yo, Nightfall is still gonna shoot ya guns off. it's not a difficult task to lead your target... many of us are already doing it. Don't expect results if your not adjusting. You can always just swich to drones and continue being mid. We have the Chads out here working for their cannon shots. I've been stripping weapons with reapers all year. actually this is great for a reaper main. It's harder to hit my guns and I can aim for ammo boxes with my pen. the Miller nerf just got nullified. and you might have to install an ammo box... but you have alot more ammo boxes to aim for too. All trajectory users can celebrate! great day for crossout.

[@shawnfoogle920]

Mini guns run out quick. Like 100 ammo to get perk im pretty sure.

[@mikolopososuk3801]

I noticed that you can now dodge bots with machine gunz more easily.. no more bot auto aim hitscan! 👍👍

[@fulconini]

People are such drama queens about some updates

[@183Rth]

hey, maybe you could overview Tempest after they have been nerfed, in one of your next videos. Keep up the good work, mate!

[@skips1376]

Hey JB what do you do for work ... always wondered about what you do, I'm a welder.

[@shawnfoogle920]

as a fuel farmer the extra weight for ammo is quite annoying. I don't see a point playing pvp without fuel. Chance to earn 15.

[@Jo_Rogan]

as a cannon user im eating good

[@stormbreaker504]

Ammo isnt that bad. In fact some weapons you dont even need a crate to put on the build example being some shotgun builds like parsers and prob arothrons or the reload tree overall atleast imo since they get 30 ammo by default in the mag(i hope they dont change that) Now a bit of an issue is no hitscan for certain weapons they suffer from it. Example being parsers and arothrons, arothrons dont suffer from being projectile in fact white the opposite bc of their perk, meanwhile parsers on the other hand do suffer quite a bit ngl(ive had to set my aim assist to enhanced which is funny lol) tho this could be bc i don’t understand projectiles since i havent really played cannon builds as often tho i did use yokai for a certain amount of time. But tbh a fair compensation by adding like the 2 lines on the side to show a bit of where your aiming would prob be helpful. Now im not sure about the lagging issue with projectiles but that does seem like bad thing bc your shot could be delayed to a point where it doesn’t even HIT the target. Overall this update isnt bad but getting used to it is gonna be somewhat of a pain in the ass for certain weapons

[@brandonwagner8435]

laser weapons are still hitscan I thought, so if you have high ping maybe player lasers?

[@shawnfoogle920]

Rapid fire mg's seem better.

[@logiarhythm6285]

I think Median ammo is slightly too low

[@diaapc2913]

the update is ok spectre-2 get more powerful from my play you dont need to tap fire you can full auto and still hit all your shots

[@jeanrodrigues1508]

Pls try aspects and spectre s. They was great to desarm but horrible to kill. If possible try diferent ping's

[@jcstrydom2322]

They killed the imps😭

[@jcstrydom2322]

It literally feels like reapers or cyclones.. Like what's the point now of having small brittle weapons that shoot like big heavy weapons.. My hit and run, short range dog fighting style died with this update

[@shawnfoogle920]

i find piercers better but i don't have imp or fidget

[@jcstrydom2322]

I have 5 fused imps that feels worthless now, I can't use it in dog fights anymore, unless I basically aim a full car length in front of the enemy players, close range, it seems really stupid.. I'll probably have to make a hover now to get more range

[@shawnfoogle920]

@@jcstrydom2322 really? I made a 5 piercer build ( all fused ) for memes and I'm getting some wins. Didn't they up the range?

[@LoTriger]

I was playin the game cince 2019 and i loved it but the amonution thing as an autokannon guy is not accepteble

[@erenkrugar]

it IS that bad for people with high ping

[@MrLedFarmer0331]

Yeah, the update happened so I was expressing my dislike in chat when I got chat banned for three days. Is there a way to refund the season I ordered? Because with the time it will take to get everything to be useful again, I will not get everything I need freaking paid for out of the season :(

[@Ravishrex1]

Maybe through the Xbox store but I'm not sure

[@pakeshde7518]

Cannon bots are busted now with the pen and damage better hope you dont have a ammo crate. with the peek a boo scanning and aimbot hitting you need to either snipe them or rush up and slap them fast.

[@arturlisowicz5271]

Especially ammo changes suck.

[@alexmiron3296]

what is hitscan anybody ? i dont see anything

[@Ravishrex1]

Well it's means all machine guns and Minnie guns are like auto cannons or reapers/ millers With regards to how you have to lead your shots

[@tostaydown]

Hitscan means there's no projectile travel time. The bullet hits the target at the same time you shoot it. Makes it very easy to hit precise targets at any range.

[@Purntive]

JB ever play perfect dark that game is better than 007 and has better sound tracks made by the same people

[@M4DM4X]

Honestly, after 7 years of playing Crossout, finally a decent update. It's ridiculous to have ammo for energy weapons, yes. For a player who lives in Brazil and plays with a ping between 140 in NA and 250 in EU, it is more difficult to play with machine guns. But I'm happy because I didn't know how ridiculous HITSCAN was, now in addition to players being forced to learn how to aim, they are also forced to know how to position themselves so as not to fall behind the BOTS. HAHA. It's about time the casual player was penalized for not being dedicated, after all, those who make the effort to play and learn the game's mechanics always adapt, and the casual player becomes a free kill as it should be!

[@akiradrake1043]

Honestly the ammo is manageable, just simple tweaks on some builds are needed, soo not a big fuss. Folks are overreacting in General, and the buffs feel just about right. For me personally its a good balancing update.

[@MrLedFarmer0331]

I liken it to building a sand castle and it looks great and took you hours and then, some ass comes along and kicks it over and doesn't get why you would be mad. Remember the patch that took 2500's away completely as a play bracket? I loved playing my 2500... Also, they robbed me by selling me a good cannon and then making it a POS.

[@Ravishrex1]

It's a fair thing that all weapons have ammo

[@DageLV]

dude, try dusk with pyres. My car goes 120 kmh and sure with some difficulty, but i can catch my own rockets and ram them. Yes, i can win a drag race against a rocket. The update made it seem that pyres with dusk wouldnt change at all, just damage buff from 20% to 25% but oh no. The rockets are horrible. Their lock on range is still the 100m, but turning speed is absolutely horrible, their speed is horrible and their accuracy is horrible. its literally better to use a regular cabin than dusk for rockets. By horrible accuracy i mean, the rockets got like 30% chance to either hit the ground or to fly over the rusted truck in garage. Flat ground, 100m distance, no turning from pyres requiered. Pyres with dusk can only be used on somewhat even ground or if you have high ground, enemy is driving dirrectly at your pyres, so they dont need to steer. If enemy drives left to right, the pyres will miss due to poor turning and slow speed. i can literally outrun pyres so on a flat area i cant get damaged by a dusk pyre build, because im faster than a rocket without using boosters.

[@DageLV]

I got traction upgraded landing wheels, dusk with 200m radar and speed, cheetah for speed, 4 pyres for 5% damage and 15% turning speed, its 5k PS vehicle with no armor meaning while it says max speed is 120, it usually goes 122 kmh. the vehicle name in workshop is "Armored but ugly", made to resemble a cop car.

[@tostaydown]

Dusk is trash now for sure.

[@arturlisowicz5271]

It is that bad

[@eyespyyourspy1328]

It killed all my Clan builds. Im out, legit just finishing the Next Step BP and Ill be done until I see news that Targem fired these devs and corrected the issues Targem has created.

[@kirill2525]

ya sorry that you need skills now to aim lol. but they do need to give more ammo I think or just give every one infinite ammo imo

[@bobomomo23]

You quit because you now have to aim and can't hold the trigger from start to finish of every match? You won't be missed.

[@ALEXZANDER_YT]

@@bobomomo23 ++

[@bagaspt2198]

brother, I had 280+ ping, I can feel his pain

[@fernanherrera]

I'll just say something and leave slowly, sadly the game took a very bad path to how it was before it was popular, or the economy was ruined, the majority of players left instead of improving the game they have made it worse, literally crossout It is not a realistic game and it will never resemble one since the main idea was different, sadly of everything I have bought I only see loss of money and it is like sad, The game was super fun between 2018 and 2020, possibly since then the game was ruined.

[@lostmarsh4451]

Now my fused nothungs and equalizers, crafted in mini passes, are dumpster juice. But hey, I deserve this punishment for using hitscan, because I have no skill. Duh! Silly me🤦‍♂️I should’ve never spent real money on those passes🥴

[@splitskiir1390]

Team play in crossout😂😂😂 But to be serious,this change affect only high ping players,i dont see anything so terible,but fair is every wep have limited ammo,imo its fair change,other stuf i wont comment,is it p2w blahblahblah

[@ClipOfTheFail]

17:12 how are you schooling these people LOL

[@shawnfoogle920]

it is a bad change, i had to delete 90% of my builds. It's very noticeable to some weapons... I ran out of ammo probably 10 games so i decided to delete em. Ammo is fine.... The problem is ps and weight by adding ammo... And ofc the explosion I just hate building, takes quite awhile. And i just don't have slots free. Now i do lol.... I guess we have to use weaker frames now? I don't see a point re building Mechs now so i probably won't play that mode. It isn't as bad as expected but still bad. We get nothing from the update except all our builds useless. I have too much time invested to quit tho. For Christmas the devs hopefully will let us get things we cant craft. I need an Aquilo.

[@wadebrown8772]

Now, no more holding W. and win. Now get good and lead your target and aim shots😂😂😂

[@hotrodchevy4524]

Why does the spark and the flash need ammo? They are tesla coils, they produce their own electricity. What ammo is there to load. It's B.S. Just waiting for the cry baby, Snowflake 🐈's to complain that the melee weapons need ammo. What exactly would the ammo be? This game has been going slowly down hill for awhile. Also how about giving us some why to communicate with xbox (P.S) players, and actually be able to join groups with them.

[@thenormal_one4578]

First 🎉

[@bedaxl]

Third yay

[@justbennyka7596]

I noticed that the ammo count is different depending on whether you play patrol or against other players.