Crossout's Most Useless Weapon!

In this video I experiment again with the Jackie module, the trombone and the Nest Missiles Launcher to see If I can make them Great again.
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[@JBRider]

Have a good weekend, everyone. If you're reading this, I might already be live on Twitch, if you have nothing better to do come hang out with us and say Hello.

[@Efe-z2q9b]

I am mobile...

[@Efe-z2q9b]

Not build helicopter...

[@jacobjackjackstrong4776]

Is it possible that Jackie doesn't work with the nest? Maybe a bug or something? Cause that's the kind of damage you get without a Jackie or extra perk

[@Jfoxpurple]

I like cheeseburgers

[@oventoaster955]

I think what's happening is that when nest missile break parts that other missiles are attached, they fall off without exploding. Nests are a better fit on helicopters because of this, as you can spin the heli to send missiles in every direction. Beware of argus users though, they can shoot off your missiles even if they are stuck. Now that I think about it, I think your struggles are due to cabin choice. Hippogriff would be better for it.

[@ristorantanen5769]

This^

[@xmannkiller]

if you hit someone with nest missiles and they go through an enemy incin puddle it also strips off all the missiles

[@ghillieguy52]

starfalls are a hard counter to missiles too, and with the recent event they have become common

[@RagsLars]

I had a nasty ground build with two nests and a trambone. Using harpy, cheetah, bigfoot wheels and chameleon, but I deleted it after I rebuilt it into a helicopter, because that setup is crazy while airborne! I can rebuild it if you want the ground build, it was really good, but then everyone started using argus and/or Flock..

[@alpacatwoniner2370]

My current missile build is 4 Pyres: two facing forward for targets under 200 meters, two facing upwards for further targets. The upwards facing pair can strike targets behind obstacles which is handy. I think the whole vehicle comes in at around 8000 ps, is reasonably well armoured with 2000 HP. As a free player I mostly stick to co-op modes, raids and the bloodlands. It simply isnt worth my time to play PvP modes.

[@seansloan7015]

I feel a part is by the time your nest locks, launches, lands and finally pops, they aren't heated

[@brainkill7034]

Maybe try this nest build in the Next Step game mode. Idk how good they are at actually hitting helis but if they do then I doubt they always get killed before the nest pops.

[@JBRider]

I might try it hopefully it has enough range to lock on to ground and air targets far away

[@zero-3889]

I think if they made all the missiles from the nest explode at the same time but deal slightly less damage. like 5% less

[@arkon4029]

I think the nest have synergies with the hippogriff cab

[@ristorantanen5769]

@@arkon4029 yup Save em 2:energies and spend em on a cloak

[@Jan-j9v]

The Bigram legs are good for the nest. shorter instruction (log on) time

[@shawnfoogle920]

The nest strips weapons decently. Also a cockpit cabin could be good.

[@jamescoe6466]

If your using trombones and they hit at the same time or just after the nest. They'll strip the parts before the nest has chance to blow up.

[@julespelletier678]

30K sub jb 🎉🎉🥳🥳

[@KingTrimba]

Try Jackie assembler with quantum cab, does around 900 for a fully held charge( weapon about to overheat) and around 350-400 on a regular shot(charged just enough for guns to open up

[@Derzuel]

honestly given the agility of Nests if they were to have more damage potential they'd actually be overpowered as the vast majority of builds do not have the ability to counter them or run away from them, and no using terrain doesn't count because that's map dependent and there are plenty of maps out there that don't offer proper cover. Making Nest stronger would only result in two types of builds being viable, nest builds themselves and builds designed to counter them. As it stands Nests on cars and mechs are actually fairly balanced, on helis they're actually a bit broken.

[@mega6121]

Argus, flock, cami perk, most rapid fire wepons which can destroy the with ease, fire/ice puddles, chamelions and problaby few other things I missed strait up counter the nest so no it wouldn't be OP even with crazy damage.

[@Derzuel]

@@mega6121 Argus, Flock, and Kami are uncraftable outside of events, so while they're technically available they're not actual viable due to a lack of availability outside the market. While yes you can shoot down missiles with rapid fire weapons like MGs, that requires you to be able to track them in order to hit them which is impossible since trombone's and Nest approach is from a top down trajectory thus putting them well outside the elevation of of such weapons. Fire and Ice puddles requires teammates to be running such builds as otherwise you're just dealing more in self damage than just taking the missiles, unless you plan on running in groups 100% of the time that you play this game it isn't an option. The Chameleon is a large fragile module that has a long cooldown with short up time and cost energy and can only have one installed at time. Chameleon might seem like an option at first but then you're faced with the reality of just how fragile the module is in combination with how long the cool down is and thus how little protection it offers you. This leaves us the Aegis, once again a bulky module costing energy and has a cool down, but it offers far superior protection than trying to rely on chameleon due to higher active time and ability act during the active time. But ask yourself this should everyone be forced to run chameleons and aegis's on their builds just to counter two weapons? Just because options are technically available doesn't mean they're actually viable. And having certain weapons force the adoption of certain modules or weapons themselves to be viable is counter productive to a game where creativity is touted as one of its main aspects. No, Nests and Trombones on cars and mechs are balanced as they are. On helis they're actually quite broken because a lot of the limitations they face are removed and because of how much easier it is to protect them in such builds.

[@mega6121]

@@DerzuelArgus might not be craftable, but (at lest on PC) it's dirt cheap for it's rarity ang it's an complete counter. But nest currently suffers from slow projectails, slow locking speed and short locking range. Game balance sugest that if the wepon is hard to use and unrelaiable, the reward from hiting an enemy should be big like for egzample: altilery wepons, avalnache, tachi ect. thouse wepons that I used as an examples don't even have a complete counter like the nest yet still are more or less balanced and counerable in game scenarious.

[@Derzuel]

@@mega6121 It doesn't really matter if the Argus is cheap at the current moment, it's still not viable as an option because there are too many factors beyond a player's control that can impact the availability or affordability of the module. Game balance does suggest that a more skill reliant weapon should be more rewarding to those who are more skillful with it. But that's reliant on the weapon being skillful which, and I don't mean this in a disrespectful way, the Nest and Trombone are not. Artillery and cannons are powerful because they're slow and require a degree of prediction of target future location. A Nest simply requires one to hold a target in range for a bit and then the weapon does all the tracking for itself. Cannons have a ponderous reload time that greatly punishes a player for missing shots, while Nests have a relatively modest reload time in comparison making them far less punishing. Artillery and Cannons don't have dedicated counters because they're not needed as they can be countered simply by exploiting the inherit weaknesses of the weapons. Nests and Trombones are next to impossible to dodge without relying on some form of cover, map dependent, or module which isn't always viable for reasons already stated. Also the slow projectile speed of Nests and Trombones actually helps them, if you were to make them faster they would actually become less likely to hit their targets at close range without increasing their agility in tandem, which would be a really bad idea. Nests and Trombones have their niche and perform well in that niche without being overbearing, as such they really don't need any buffs at the moment. If you're struggling to use them then perhaps you should take the time to re-asses the manner in which you're trying to use them and adjust your strategy accordingly.

[@mega6121]

@@Derzuel I agree that the nest isn't as skill dependent as some of my mentioned wepons and I don't really struggle to use them, the problem is they don't perform even in ideal circumstances as good as other wepons. Reload of the nest might me moderate but you have to remember that you have to additionally lock on the enemy, speaking of locking I would argue that counterplay in form of breaking the lock isn't map dependent since in every map in the game you have an obstacles and terrain deveation which can serve as cover angainst both locking onto you and if you get locked on you can use them to make the nest rocets miss entierly and get stuck in terrein, if you put yourself in the place at the map where it isn't possible that's your fault entierly. Nest is near unplayeble at some maps mainly thouse with big buildings, sinto city for example where the opponets doesn't even need to try doging because buildings and bridges are usually just catching the nest's rocets. Nest is very possible to dodge with light and even medium cabins by simply timing a U turn when rocets are close to you this strategy might not negate all damage but it makes rocets miss or at lest get attached to pices of armor farder from the center of the car which furder negates damege. The heavy cabins don't need this ability because the pure amout of health that they posses as well as addition blast resistances of heavy parts makes them already quite tanky against nest.

[@ristorantanen5769]

On the topic of nests i got one thing that makes them worthwhile. They are actually really good if you want to establish airsuperiority., or if you have a chopperproblem. Torrero/Flywheel and you are peachy around 9K

[@Purntive]

you need to separate the trombones to right click and shoot them all at once after the lock on

[@nunull6427]

Gosh, i remember when these came out. They penetrated the build basically directly into the middle. Glad theyre still trash after that tbh.(atleast theyre useable in helis i guess?)

[@_sauce_boss2111]

Griffon is a personal radar Jammer... Fun Video, thanks JB :)

[@patrickdwiggins5632]

Maybe replace the trombone with an enlightenment and get a reload booster

[@eatsnowanddie]

man the nothung jackie build i have is so fun man,

[@simonchance65]

Great video buddy, I agree the nest's are seriously under powered they need a major buff, but remember when they first got introduced, they rocked then 😂

[@Ranger_ZiR0]

😂 love this vid JB!! I built a 10K build UW and this was basically a highlight reel of the same issues I had... before i deleted the build. Thank you for captioning my pain... sooo accurately 🤣

[@tostaydown]

It'll be interesting to see if the change to the steppe spider and dusk do anything to help the nests. Really they just need to fix the nest though. Honesty the game kinda sucked when nests were too good at release, but they overly nerfed them.

[@ristorantanen5769]

@@tostaydown Yup Bought them cheap a bunch of them at the nerfsale, upgaded them, and since chopperrelease if find them useful off and on. Enough to have one constantly saved anyways

[@andrejsf5881]

Nests was deadly on helis so they got nerfed into coffin

[@kauiz951]

While asking for a buff for these thing you forgot about the next step modes and how people can abuse this if they buff it

[@ALEXZANDER_YT]

Agree

[@RazudMezeghis]

Isnt Dusk cabin best to combo with the nest and trombone? Seem a few missile helis with the dusk.

[@JBRider]

for now the dusk only works with pyres and hurricanes in the next update however it will work with more rocket weapons

[@Vanislander68]

Does the hippogriff cabin with dino legs + nest work any better? Does the jumping break target lock of the Nest?

[@JBRider]

jumping does not break the lock but it gives you a chance to dodge the missiles at the last second

[@Loonilaine]

Rare footage of jbrider being broke💀

[@Korimenthor]

The nest should lock on to up to 3 targets

[@JBRider]

i think that is the swarm had a second firing mode it should be that of the nests lock on with a shitty lock and fire the rockets slower. the nest should just fire like pyres

[@shawnfoogle920]

I wish the nest shot was the same as trombone...

[@JBRider]

Yeah i think that would really fix it fire immediately but still fire one by one

[@Lord_Xonaz]

How see it the Nest is not for fast paced game as of the moment, they take too long to be any effective use. I have someone fused and they just disappoint me.

[@MrLedFarmer0331]

They are so annoying because I can never knock the nest out of the sky. I am very good at shooting down most other, harder hitting missiles =)

[@ALEXZANDER_YT]

Nest never misses - that main problem previnting any chance to buff nest

[@wadebrown8772]

Oof nest is a 6 seated toilet 🚻 😂😂😂

[@Silentplains791_YT]

Does the harpy actually work? I can’t really notice a difference.

[@JBRider]

it does but i have a feeling they did something with the calculations. On the damage sphere you can see that the harpy does something but it's not really a lot last week when i played the quasar we all saw that just going for more damage is just better and some also said that the jackie wasn't buffing the nest.

[@Silentplains791_YT]

@ thanks for the info!

[@ALEXZANDER_YT]

useless yet bit toxic because almost never misses! Sadly but buffing this thing will be too bad for random.....even pyres need a bit more skill to use than nest

[@01oo011]

I don’t think anyone wants to return to the pre nerf nest days…

[@ALEXZANDER_YT]

yep as this gun almost never misses

[@JBRider]

me neither but they just need to fix the targeting system

[@COPY55666]

Pyre is more efficient

[@Андрей-ж5р8о]

а это не ново нефига :) я так ещё в начале ивента нагибал как только первый трамбон получил. урон 1-2к стабильно по разогретым крафтам.

[@D3STRUCTOR_]

You shold try out annihilators pls

[@JBRider]

I did last night and the video needs to be edited don't get too excited though i am super bad with them

[@D3STRUCTOR_]

​@@JBRiderWhat do you think, could they be a good counter against bricks? Like fire bricks or mars gravastar/yong builds. Because you know they can't fight back against them. The drones slowes them down and chip them away.

[@JBRider]

@D3STRUCTOR_ When i tried them this weekend, prople just ignored them, and bots shot my drones their damage was also super low

[@D3STRUCTOR_]

@@JBRider Hm, interesting. Maybe you should try them out in CC or in the next UW.

[@D3STRUCTOR_]

@@JBRider Do you think should I invest in them? They look fun but underwhelming. Sadly I probably would need the Munnin cabin too.

[@maxking5694]

JBs ping so bad but still good player 👍

[@JBRider]

I know right just imagine if my ping was only 30ms :)

[@vonlobo]

haha everyone thinks 2 Nest and trombone is good combo. But 3 Nest is better :p O and devs hate Nest, they will never fix them :)

[@ALEXZANDER_YT]

problem not in hate but nest almost nevers misses - if devs buff em (which must not be) this will result in addition ballance problem i think they dont want!

[@vonlobo]

​@@ALEXZANDER_YT there are some weapons devs just leaves them alone. Its not about balance, they just dont bother whit them

[@georgep5880]

Ugh y did u pop on first 1, u had hatchets and bumpers they were already dearmored, u could have won, i know i woulda😁

[@giannidoro1598]

The game is cool, but actually a scammy p2w. The matchmaking is always broken and bots make the game.

[@gasmer]

Yo tengo una configuración que realmente funciona con los mismos componentes solo que no sé como compartirlo, uso una cabina cockpit, 2 hermes, un trombone, 2 nestun generador gasgen y un motor hot red y el radar un simple RS-1 Ruby. Con 9000 puntos de poder nada mas. @JBRider como te lo puedo compartir????? 🇦🇷🫂

[@justbennyka7596]

I tried using the nests and trombone with the robotic legs even then i just couldnt get on with it. It needs buffing

[@tommidrab83]

Nest'd range/locking is fu**ing dumb. Makes it unsuable 🫣🙃🫤