How Did This Man Make 35 Calls From The Afterlife?

[@SlightlySociable]

Update: I just received the coroner's report for this case, months later. No where in the report does it use any explicit use of the term, "died on impact", however his overall condition detailed by the report is very much rough around the edges. It does however specify various injuries and fractures from the resulting impact, leading to blood loss and even details some injuries occuring post mortem. It doesn't look like you have a case here where the guy immediately just had something go through his heart, but a variety of injuries that are attributed as his over all condition was pretty rough. To which any one of them could potentially be fatal in a short period of time, but I wouldn't state "instantly" I've included a link on patreon if you'd like to check it out. www.patreon.com/posts/47605005

[@perpetualdream]

truly a puzzling case. you would expect a more detailed report in a situation like this

[@alfredkc]

I really think something dodgy is going on here.

[@Kitties_are_pretty]

​@@alfredkc It's not that dodgy. If it's just people trying to cover the ass of the first responders for missing him the first time, I don't consider that super scary and evil.

[@CydoNia]

@@Kitties_are_pretty what I think makes the idea of him being alive and making the calls not plausible is the fact that he never spoke once in all 35 calls, there was just static not even noises which to me would suggest that he didn’t make the calls himself and that also the phone wasn’t made by a rescue team shifting debris and the phone speed dialling as you’d hear noises from the rescue team moving and speaking to each other

[@mahrenballs]

You're videos are really well done and you do a great job trying to minimize your bias and not jump to conclusions the best you can so I was glad to sub and thank you for the content. To be honest though I surprised when you didn't call it out in the video and then focused on the phone not being found when they found him, because the claim that "they traced his phone to the first car" was an immediate red flag in my mind. Even with help from his carrier (if they were able to get it that quick) all they could do is a triangulation based on the last tower it had connected to, and that would provide a large radius in general but even if the 3 towers were basically right next to each other.. the claim that it pointed to a specific train car is far fetched to say the least. I could always be wrong or maybe I'm just missing something, but somebody lying or just making something up seems a lot more plausible than everything else. Anyway thanks again for the videos I'm glad I happened to come across one.

[@doctorthirteen5727]

Normal human beings: What a tragic death. News media:Their heights though, isn't that weird?!

[@aldenfriend9625]

Is your name a House MD reference?

[@doctorthirteen5727]

@@aldenfriend9625 Doctor Who...but I like the show House also.

[@ApeX-pj4mq]

@@aldenfriend9625 Doctor Who Reference instead

[@We_Are_All_Vultures]

Yes

[@evanabbott2737]

The media gets worse all the time.😑

[@neptune_wolf-1514]

Usually when they say the victim died on impact, it's because their body was found with devastating injuries. Like decapitation or they were ripped in half.

[@doc_sav]

Injuries incompatible with life, as they say.

[@Dekubud]

That's what I'm thinking as well. And because it was such a public case, they probably didn't want to explain more than that and have the family and public be told of how disfigured his body was.

[@zad_rasera]

I wish I hadn't read that oh fuck

[@nambepambe3221]

Makes sense. Nonmalificence is not an uncommon thing when explaining painful or gruesome death to family members. It's not all that improbable that he was alive in a state where he was able to move at least one arm to use a cell phone, unable to speak through it or move his arm to his mouth and had been black tagged.

[@Michoss9]

Then, on the other hand, being ripped in half is, horrifyingly, not always instantly lethal. It can take a while for you to bleed to death. And if, say, your whole lower half is crushed in a way that cuts off blood flow, that may take even longer.

[@capstone-entertainment]

My Dad got a call from my dead brother years after he died. Regardless of how logical you are, if you see your dead son's phone number pop up on the caller ID a little piece of you is going to get excited and believe that they are somehow alive, or at least still able to call and talk to you. When he answered, it was a scammer from an Indian call center who was using one of those programs that redirects the original call through a phone number from your local area, so you are more likely to answer, just so happened that their machine chose the number of his dead son. I have never seen him so upset, I can't imagine how bad that must have felt.

[@nathanhiggers7186]

Happened to my grandma with a spoofed call originating from the phone number of my dead grandfather. I hate Indians so much it's unreal

[@TheBarberGuy]

I couldn’t imagine

[@CourierSiix]

Big surprise that it was an indian

[@misskate3815]

Six months after my brother died, I got a call from the same area code he was killed in. It was a cop, following up on his murder. She was a total bitch, too. But at the time I had this hope that someone had called to tell me it was all a mistake and my brother was fine and coming home.

[@futuristic.handgun]

@@misskate3815 I'm so sorry for your and OP's losses. 💔

[@Knate1104]

I’ve been a firefighter for over 10 years, and I have a guess as to what this whole story is about. They missed him. Initial search crews failed to locate this man, who was still alive. After repeated phone calls to family, dispatch pings the man’s phone to near the first passenger car. Crews RE-ENTER to search ONE LAST TIME. They find him, with his phone. Now to ease the pain to the family, and possibly avoid lawsuit, they say he died on impact and can’t find his phone. They know he was most likely alive up until that last phone call. I guarantee if this happened, no one feels worse than the guys who missed him. It happens, firemen are humans and make mistakes. And no one will ever really know. He could have died instantly. Time of death is hard to pin down, and immediate death is generally only assigned to injuries incompatible with life like decapitation. But who knows. Maybe it did happen the way they claim. All I know is even the news said crews re-entered one last time. They’d searched it before. They just missed him. Sad deal all around.

[@kurtwagner350]

I definitely think that they missed him and lied to save face and spare the feelings of the family because I can’t imagine knowing a loved one could’ve been saved and wasn’t and maybe they would even blame themselves partially and having to bear the weight of imagining him desperately trying to survive but failing is horrible, but like you said I’m sure the rescue crew felt horrible if that was the case

[@iDutchCrossFire]

I'm thinking this isn't some kind of conspiracy. If he was able to call 35 times but not hear back, or notice that his microphone was broken then surely he would have texted them. prepaid sms service was around back then.

[@D-Vinko]

@@iDutchCrossFire Why would he notice his microphone was broken? I use microphones every day, and I would not know it was broken until someone told me, or unless I was monitoring it.

[@nadapenny8592]

I am usually a huge advocate of telling people the truth, no matter how much it hurts, because if I'm going suffer emotional agony either way, I may as well know the truth. But in this case, I would rather you just lie to me. It would be one thing if the last call was HOURS before he was found, but...just forty minutes? I couldn't live knowing that.

[@iDutchCrossFire]

@@D-Vinko thats easy. If you call someone that many times, and they always pick up the phone, and you keep talking and talking but you don't get reactions to what you're saying, that probably means your microphone is broken and a text should be sent ;P

[@namebrandmason]

I've never worked in search & rescue, but I'd rather tell a family "he died on impact" than "he bled out over several hours, it was a terrible way to die."

[@PosthumanHeresy]

True, but either way, the phone should have been on him. They tracked it to his corpse. That requires tracking the line of data sent from the phone to the cell phone tower. They admitted they failed to find him with traditional searching but used the calls to track his phone to the exact spot, having already searched the area the corpse was in and missed it. Even if he was alive when he made the calls, it makes no sense for the phone to not be there too. The only two possible ways that "makes sense" is either if the phone were quantum superpositioned (being in two locations at the same time, something only possible with quantum particles and not an entire cell phone) or if his dead body was contacting the cell phone tower rather than the phone (which is obviously also impossible). So, did he make phone calls with his brain or did his phone violate the laws of physics and exist in two separate locations at the same time so that he could both make calls from the phone and not have the phone be found? Even a living man requires his phone to make phone calls.

[@hawlitakerful]

@@PosthumanHeresy That is true. But isn't it far more likely that even if the phone lies nearby or in my at this point dead hand that while recovering my body it just gets lost in the effort and lies with the debris of a train crash?? Sounds pretty hard to find something flimsy like a phone in those circumstances. Especially those are not forensic crime investigators that investigate a scene for any fingerprint but search and rescue teams with the mission to get people out no matter what and to see if anything can still be done for them.

[@byyourstruly1599]

@mason s. and you rather tell that so that you can save your own face, the city, the fire department, and search and rescue personnel from a lawsuit and vilification from the media. Way to go sheep.

[@cellytron]

Kinda like that MASH episode where they push the soldier’s death up past midnight so he didn’t die on Christmas. It’s a noble idea, but it’s not really your (hypothetical) call. I would be upset if someone thought I, as a family member, was so weak that I needed them to weave me a fairy tale. MAYBE for the kids, especially if they were really little. “Dad went right to heaven” or whatever. But as an adult? It’s no one’s place to try and gauge what they think I can handle. Like when my dad was dying of cancer, I needed to know everything. If a doctor had BSed something to make me feel better it would have done the opposite. BUT, that’s just me. 😅

[@louis_quinn]

exactly. It is obvious he was in and out of conciousness trying to contact someone... asking for help

[@BarelySociable]

Will keep you all updated once I get the coroner report, clearly some details missing. I looked all around and couldn’t find a single explanation of the state of the body anywhere so it’s worth checking.

[@aidansherry17]

Thank u. God the report had me in tears. Such a tragedy:(

[@jadenyuki3138]

Ok

[@galesdove]

you might never get the coroner’s report - maybe it’s different in CA, but i’m fairly sure coroner’s reports are only given to authorities or family members. could be wrong tho! wish you luck.

[@Aengus42]

They could've worked out when he died simply by taking the temperature of the body. The time difference was huge between impact & last call. So if he was closer to 37°C than ambient, that would've told them if he'd been alive all that long night. Poor bloke! Must've been an eternity for him.

[@augustgreig9420]

Keep up the good work and Godspeed.

[@DTPoe]

Well, I am a Legal medicine specialist, I've practiced my fair share of autopsies and corpse recognitions, and to be honest, age determination is never accurate, that why we sometime use intervals like "from 40 to 45 years of age", giving an exact number like in movies or series is not realistic, the same goes for time of death, it's not "he died at 11:45", normally is an interval like "2 to 6 hours ago" based on the cadaveric phenomena (rigor, livor, temperature, etc) so that comment on "not even getting the age right and having to correct" is not really a parameter to say the coroner was bad. It happens more often than you think.

[@sarahdoe6945]

Do you think that it’s possible that they lied about him dying on impact?

[@CerberusPlusOne]

Interesting, thanks for your exert input!

[@DTPoe]

@@sarahdoe6945 That could be a possibility, that the rescue crew did not check the area properly and missed him while he was still alive.

[@neoasura]

Good point, I never thought they could narrow it down to exact times, and always wondered where they came up with that.

[@iand4374]

Thanks for writing this. While I have no training in medicine and autopsies I have spent a number of nights researching Jane/John Does( dead people who cant be identified ) and the time of death is always 2-36 weeks before discovery or something like that. Or if its bones its a huge range of years.

[@DenpaKei]

Man, why'd they burn the couples height difference like that lol

[@salemtheghost4093]

Exactly, height doesn't mean they wouldn't be a good match 🤦‍♂️

[@pissqueendanniella4688]

tall girls are hot

[@s7nseer]

Yea why even say that

[@aswarmofcrabs]

@Joe My mother is 6'2" and my dad is 5'3", and they're one of the happiest couples I know. My dad fell in love with a tall hippie basketball player, and my mom fell in love with a brilliant neurosurgeon. Personally, as a lesbian, I really couldn't care less about the height of a woman, though I suppose I can't speak for heterosexual men or other lesbians.

[@otterno.1128]

Yeah very poor taste after he just tragically died... like I don't understand why they need to mention that unless his fiance asked them to?

[@TrialzGTAS]

As a first responder, when we respond to MCIs (Mass Casualty Incidents) we carry Triage tags and spend a minute assessing the patient and judge whether they can be saved or not. It was possibly likely that that they tagged him as a red or a black on the triage tag. My friend who was on that scene in particular said that it was the worst day of his career there hauling bodies. He may have been still alive in the train car making the calls but first responders bypassed to give the patients who had better chance of survival the way out. That’s my guess

[@ptonpc]

@TBRHkyleHD Normally triage prioritises those with the most serious injuries first but it has happened where if resources /time are short, the priority will be those who have the best chance of being saved. I don't know if that is the case of this crash. But it would be easier for the family if they could say "Yes he died on impact" rather than "He was alive for a while, in terrible agony". Some commentators are saying they had experience of rescues likes this and it is possible he was missed until it was too late to save him.

[@laney2n]

I mean how bad can your chances of survival be to make how many phone calls to different family

[@ladygrndr9424]

@@ptonpc Right. They could either have mistaken his injuries as more immediately fatal than they thought, or if he was under something they may have missed him entirely. That first car was a disaster, and no survivors were expected. IF he survived, then all he was capable of was pressing the contact speed-dials saved to his phone, but not capable of saying anything. Also, if you have someone on the phone that you're worried about, the human reaction is to KEEP them on the phone, even if it's just static. That he kept getting disconnected/hanging up may have been another reflex. Or it could be as another commenter believed--the phone could have been under something that got randomly pressed on while they were searching for survivors. Something resting on it long enough to activate a speed dial, then shift and disconnect. Either way, it got him found. Me, I want to believe ;)

[@ptonpc]

@@ladygrndr9424 Agreed.

[@Void-Realm]

@@laney2n there are some cases where you can basically tell this person is unlikely to survive but they may be conscious enough to make a call or something. E.g. certain fatal injuries, being trapped and whatever is trapping you is the only thing keeping you alive while dying slowly anyway.

[@blitzkrieg2928]

They were so jelous on the height difference they had to focus on it so much Absolute chad had an amazon Rip Charles .

[@herpaderp-bp4pe]

They were a beautiful couple though. I felt so bad for her and Charles kids. Also to Charles himself 😢

[@skyty0]

"A man who tragically died a horrible death is so fucking short, it's a wonder how he even got engaged. Any way, here's some news about his ghost."

[@roncriswell2685]

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣💯 congratulations you just won the internet please use responsibly LOL

[@clarkcant4818]

as if getting hit by a train wasn't a big enough kick in the nuts, you gotta make him turn in his grave. that's not cool, i laughed, but that's not cool LMFAO

[@BigSmoke-bu6ib]

@@clarkcant4818 it's called satire. You're not cool, cookie cutter.

[@user-xm3gp9zs5v]

@@BigSmoke-bu6ib what

[@mromatic17]

Wow and here I thought I was the king of scathing opinion! You’re better today sir!

[@exquizitinedillwad2333]

Rest in peace Charles Peck. While this case is unique and interesting, this man deserves to be remembered for the life he lived and the love he shared, not just for the circumstances of his death.

[@KnuckChinn]

What kind of life did he live? What kind of love did he share? Do tell.

[@exquizitinedillwad2333]

@@KnuckChinn I'm not sure. His life may have been totally mundane. I just know that I, a fairly unremarkable person, would rather be remembered for my deeds than for my death.

[@honey-pf9ch]

@@exquizitinedillwad2333 it’s better to be remembered after death than to never be remembered at all

[@bitfreedom]

Eh, none of use will be remembered anyway 😂 it doesn’t really matter tbh

[@WorldsWorstBoy]

But it’s perfectly OK to focus on the circumstances of theElisa Lamb’s death....

[@dhara1002]

I can't believe you would go so far to get the report from the coroner. Your video on a topic is more researched than some actual investigations. Keep up the amazing work.

[@alainportant6412]

too bad the report from the coroner was garbage

[@DannyZolp]

He plays LA noire

[@asseaterbooty6963]

Fart. Poop, pee

[@Comrade_Nils]

I mean, I don't know the exact state of Peck's body when the rescuers found him, but I think a plausible explanation would this: Peck did survive the initial impact and clung to life for a few hours more than the coroners estimated. During that time, he might have tried to call his loved ones to ask for help or say goodbye to them, but damage from his phone (e.g. the microphone) was too severe and prevented them from hearing his voice. Whatever the case, my condolences to the many people affected by this tragic event.

[@omarcarrero3623]

Or the phone got damaged and it started calling of the contacts, speed dial, or call history(a number of different things could had caused the phone to start pressing keys (the phone got broken, any type of liquid damage, pressed against the debris, etc), if it was someone be it him or a nearby survivor who was clinging to life he would of surely call 911. Not to mention there is no incentive on the search crew and mortician to cover that up

[@virginiaviola5097]

Or he was just too injured to speak and just wanted to hear their voices one last time.

[@AudreyLudlow]

@@virginiaviola5097 Or simply he heard the rescue services on his car, and then realized they left him behind, so he started calling people to make them aware he was still there, so they could pass the message to them. His microphone being broken could explain as to why they only heard static, and kept calling to signal he was still alive and trapped. Eventually passing before rescue services could get to him, or died while being rescued.

[@mynameisworld]

Where's the beginning of your comment that you are clarifying with your "I mean" statement? Looks like the first part of your comment got deleted. Very weird to start a comment with "I mean", so something must be missing before that.

[@ediblefredible]

@@mynameisworld are you being serious..?

[@Wackaz]

Whatever happened, if he didn't die instantly, I can't imagine how painful and horrible both physically and mentally those many last hours of that man's life would have been. God rest his soul, man...

[@NoCandyForU1]

In regards to the "butt dialing" idea, on those older phones it was common to map family members and close friends to certain numbers for speed dialing, on some phone models it's enough to just press a single button for a short period and that immediately places a call. Regarding the calls happening only during the rescue operation it's possible to assume that the rescue crew was moving parts of the wreckage in their efforts to locate survivors potentially shifting any parts of debris that could have been resting on the phone. That would explain why only close family members were being called and why only in that time frame.

[@William1115]

Yes! My thoughts also

[@cabbler]

I don't buy it. The rubble was pressing a bunch of different numbers in a perfect way? 35 times? Also it's simply a crashed train not a collapsed building with that much rubble. The simpler answer is that the rescue team told a white lie saying Charles died instantly.

[@NoCandyForU1]

@@cabbler Not a bunch of different numbers perfectly, if he had speed dialing setup like a lot of people had on those phones from 2008 it would only need to press and hold any number on the number pad to make a call to the person that was mapped to that number

[@cabbler]

@@NoCandyForU1 why are you explaining how speed dialing works? the phone called all of his contacts. it pressed a lot of numbers precisely.

[@NoeLPZC]

@@cabbler Not precisely, arbitrarily. The fact it was set up for speed dial made these arbitrary presses contact family members.

[@jayeverette]

Ok crazy theory here: I’m thinking it’s a “candybar” style phone and he had all of the contacts in speed dial under the physical number buttons. After the accident it *could* have been lodged somewhere and possibly the pressure of crews walking on it caused it to phantomly dial.

[@dreamlandnightmare]

That's not crazy at all. It's actually quite plausible an logical.

[@karldammann]

I had the same exact thought, the shifting of the train, movement of rescuers etc, hitting the speed dial.

[@Nashvillecoug]

That could be.

[@skeetsmcgrew3282]

Best theory I've heard so far

[@LeithJones]

Between the iPhone, the first mass adoption smartphone, first coming out in 2007 and this happening in 2008 to a guy from Utah, this checks out 100%. It's easy to forget that there were cell phones before the smartphone.

[@wendygo7962]

If they tracked his phone calls, it wouldn't have been precise enough to lead them to a specific train car. That part is BS for sure.

[@SAPHIRAPPS]

Maybe they “tracked it” by calling it and listening for the ringtone. Or since this happened in 2008, it’s possible he had a phone with GPS and the authorities somehow had a way to track that. But I agree with you that cell tower triangulation wouldn’t be precise enough to tell them in which car he was.

[@jerrell1169]

@@SAPHIRAPPS Even with GPS you wouldn't be able to find an exact location, maybe a full coordinate but that'd still probably be a wide area including the other cars. And of course if they were calling it they would've found the phone as well.

[@mollymyers4173]

@@SAPHIRAPPS well if they listened for the ringtone, they’d have found the phone right?

[@hotbeekslab]

Im thinking it lead them to the front of the train rather than a specific car

[@lugal-zage-si4782]

Triangulation could be easier considering the phone made so many calls, therefore more points to work from.

[@Aaaaaaaalonika]

Sadly, I think the guy was alive for longer than they thought. That’s really scary and sad. I hope he found peace from hearing his relatives before he passed. It’s a shame people either didn’t get to him fast enough or overlooked him in all the chaos. Well, it’s beyond a shame actually, and likely was covered up.

[@TAGMedia7]

Makes me wonder if he did actually die on impact, but a different survivor managed to get the phone and try to call for help before succumbing to their injuries.

[@tamaramanheim8831]

That was my idea.

[@noabinnendijk361]

... They would've found that body, then, right? It's hard to imagine a survivor finding a phone, keep calling people for seven hours, and then somehow... Crawl away to go die in a corner? Surely if they could move enough to not be found by the rescue team after they died, and the area was large enough for S&R to not immediately see another body, the survivor would've tried to find a way out way sooner and wouldn't just stay in one place.

[@terrykrall]

How, and why would ….that person …… know to dial just ANOTHER FAMILYS close family members… coincidence?

[@TAGMedia7]

@@terrykrall It might have been easier to simply navigate through the phonebook on the phone as opposed to attempting to dial out strings of numbers. Maybe most of the buttons were damaged on the keypad and all he could do were call the most recent history. Maybe only a couple of his fingers were left working. Who knows.

[@rowanlavellan9755]

@@TAGMedia7 My top contacts include non-family members, including coworkers and my supervisor, former coworkers, and even an old therapist, but there's no indication that no one outside of his family was called, right? So...idk. seems weird.

[@zchaos0026]

There's a similar story to this regarding an older lady i believe from Oregon that died and her phone kept calling 911.... even after the phone company disconnected the line... even after the house was bulldozed... being a former 911 dispatcher I'm very interested in your opinion about this. You're very good at debunking things... would love to see what you think about this!

[@Sparrow.neb3]

Yeah I've heard of that

[@Sparrow.neb3]

It was on a MrBallen video, super creepy

[@nOne-ol4bz]

It’s a glitch or bug in the system most likely

[@DarkmanXSincere]

@@nOne-ol4bz mystery solved huh? Good job. 🙄🙄🙄

[@nOne-ol4bz]

@@DarkmanXSincere thanks 😊

[@LedosKell]

The cynic in me wants to say he was alive in the train but was overlooked in their first pass. Their claiming he died on impact was just to make the situation easier for the rescuers and the family. But I don't know the condition of his body when they found it so I can't believe anything.

[@sleepdeep305]

@Bonnie Winter You’d be surprised. After Pearl Harbor, a couple sailors trapped in the bowels of a ship starved to death over the course of two weeks. They didn’t let want their family to know about this, and instead had the dates of the attack on the tombstone instead.

[@A.Clifton]

@Bonnie Winter Lawsuit.

[@kh22912]

I agree

[@AbandonedVoid]

@Bonnie Winter Not to sound like a conspiracy theorist, but it's very normal for first responders and emergency teams to downplay the horrific nature of deaths. "She went peacefully in her sleep" is used a lot when old people wake up and spasm from a heart attack, or choke to death on their own vomit. Emergency teams often feel a duty to shoulder these events and keep them to themselves, like it's a part of their job.

[@mrtymrtt5061]

@Bonnie Winter i'm p sure they literally take courses on how to explain tragic situations. it's is part of their job.

[@Babyclownn]

“He knew we were scared for him and letting us have hope” always thought messages from beyond the grave were to give closure, not false hope.

[@skeetsmcgrew3282]

Yea she didn't even sound like SHE thought that made sense

[@SkittleMcPhee23]

Literally said this to my bf while we watched it

[@MisterSpinalzo]

...yeah but that's not really the point. She's trying to make sense out of his death and give _herself_ closure.

[@coolname8133]

I think she was going for some paranormal spiritual thing where his ghost was somehow leading her to the body for closure so they could move on faster, like he's in a better place that's how I want to interpret these seemingly impossible phone calls. Its not like people under strong emotions in these situations should be expected to be 100% rational. She kinda said it was just emotional herself. Honestly I'd probably go with something nearly or exactly impossible just to cope with something like this

[@joshdeskin6766]

If this Gentleman was in fact in car #1, he absolutely died on impact. When the two locomotives crashed head on, upon impact the Metrolink locomotive went thru the entire first car. Look at the crash photos closely. Everyone in that car was pancaked.Not a single person in car #1 survived. I have first hand, very close ties to the accident.

[@White_Recluse]

You died?

[@katevgrady]

This is also a very plausible explanation for them not finding the phone. The absolute chaos of that part of the wreckage would make finding a little 6" piece of plastic and metal really hard, and also, why even look for it? There are much, much more important tasks at hand for the people on scene.

[@KeeganYF12]

@@White_Recluse But he lived!

[@nickkbudiono]

Source(s): Trust me bro

[@ptrekboxbreaks5198]

​@@White_Recluse lol

[@lordhelix2760]

This really sounds like they missed him in their first sweep and to make it seem like they didn't mess up they made it seem like he died on impact. EDIT: to clarify, I'm not saying it was purposeful if they missed him, but a mistake, things happen. However to stay face and give the family a better story they told them that his "ghost calls" where to find him, vs tell them "yeah, when you got those calls he was probably alive but in mind shattering pain, and if we found him sooner he still would have died"

[@mollymyers4173]

i agree. and just because the coroner lists multiple traumatic injuries as cause of death i don’t think that means he died on impact right? that just means multiple traumatic injuries caused his death

[@Swordsman99k]

Even if they did, in the fucking chaos that are those wrecks I doubt there was more that could be done. Rescuers WANT to save everyone.

[@satansspawn4001]

@@Swordsman99k yeah the rescuers definitely weren’t at fault. They tried their best and helped as many people as they could. The only person to blame is the dude on his phone who caused the collision.

[@taticatnineland]

That was one of my first explanatory thoughts when I first heard of this incident - that he’d been fatally injured, trapped and/or hidden, and died as a result of his injuries (while he was making the calls), then they went back in and found his corpse. It was just easier on the family (in officials’ eyes) to shrug off the calls and insist that Charles had to have died on impact and shrugging off the phone calls instead of telling the family that he was probably at least partly conscious and in great pain for some time before finally dying. Possibly even someone involved in the rescue thought they were helping by providing more spoopy calls. Not anything meant maliciously, but a lie that had to be built upon that started with good intentions and ended up being more hurtful than just stating the facts. Probably it is common practice to try to smooth over the icky bits the same way that suicides used to be classified as natural/accidental deaths for the welfare of the family.

[@lordhelix2760]

@@satansspawn4001 like how much of a chad move is it too cause multiple deaths and many more injuries by texting and operating a train?

[@SylvesterAshcroft88]

When is mostly sociable going to be a thing?

[@ethansabetta298]

He's working on it, give him time.

[@Dizzula]

Just after Vaguely Sociable, but before Completely Sociable.

[@oskarsodergren7033]

@@Dizzula a reasonable amount of sociable

[@Jeffmylife]

Dear God, this implies the existence of Excessively Sociable

[@BlueCatarex]

I can't wait for Fully Sociable

[@mushroomsoup2866]

If I was a coroner, I would probably also say that this guy died on impact rather than tell his family "oh hey yea he was slowly dying an agonising death over the course of hours, aint that a fun last memory of him?"

[@sponish0]

coroners are important official reports they can't just make stuff up that they think people want to hear

[@sponish0]

@JosiexJosie it’s not unfalsifiable as that would almost certainly mean he had devastating injuries impossible to survive such as his head being ripped off. Which is 100% died on impact

[@razzmatazz1974]

This happened to my family 20 years ago. There was a message on my grandmothers answering machine, it was her sister from a neighbouring country. The message asked us to call back because she was feeling sad. When the call was returned, we discovered that her husband had died, however she couldnt have made the call because she was in hospital in a coma after a stroke. This has puzzled our family since

[@Xaynier]

Just counting down the days for Silk Road 2: This Time It's Personal

[@ManiacalForeigner]

Silk Road 2: Escape to Africa (that actually sounds kinda plausible)

[@cybercat5965]

Is that a jaws 4 reference?

[@HSTMachine]

Silk Road 2: Electric Boogaloo

[@AgamemnonTWC]

I'm a 911 dispatcher. When you call 911, it generates an automatic location ping that we can see. That ping is rarely less than 12 meters' radius of precision, and I have yet to see it less than 4 meters that wasn't a technical error. When I have to call a cell phone company for a cold ping, they can rarely give me anything better than a couple hundred meters, and frequently it's very old ping. And this is in 2020, with dramatic improvements in location data since 2008. Needless to say, I am very skeptical of the ability to track a cell phone call made to a private phone to a specific train car, especially in 2008. I can't even do that with any certainty now. That's the part of this that feels fishy to me.

[@aethrya]

Facts dont sell tickets toots

[@PrezVeto]

Train cars generally easily exceed 12 meters in length, so I could see it clearly suggesting a particular car, ignoring the configuration of the cars on the ground following that crash, which I don't know.

[@EXbobomb]

It's possible he had his family and most significant people on speed dial, so butt dialing isn't crazy. Edit: And as for no more calls, dead battery?

[@fhwolthuis]

Yeah that's what I thought too!

[@JL-dance]

But where’s the cellphone? Even if say his calls were the result of his body having death spasms then the phone would still be recovered easily...

[@fhwolthuis]

@@JL-dance probably taken by reptilians 🤣

[@salis-salis]

Dead battery, lol It probably died on impact!

[@RobinTheBot]

@@JL-dance you're talking about finding a cell phone within a 100 ton metal and plastic wreck. It could be melted into the remains of a seat cushion, inside some of the garbage that was thrown out. Why would anyone think it would be easy to find? It's a needle in a haystack. Literally. And one that is essentially for sure damaged and likely to fail eventually.

[@Stefanie2530]

The same thing happened with an elderly couple involved in the Miami condo collapse last year. For days following the collapse, their phone called family members repeatedly. When family answered their phone, they were met with static only. It was the couple's landline making the calls. Never got an explanation as to why it happened

[@scrotchrocket8560]

My mother had calls from my deceased brother. She has witnesses to back it up. She couldnt answer. She didnt know his work number on ipad. I called it and it was his work phone that was sitting on a desk in the office and was there the whole time.

[@malcolmgerald]

They missed finding him when he was alive. Because of the phone calls they went back and found him just after he died. They covered their ass's by saying he died at impact and by getting rid of the phone.

[@middleeastern5796]

That's ridiculous. Search and rescue crews missing a victim of a train collision isn't a crime. They would have had to willingly conspire to hide potential evidence just to save face with the victims family. Which is a crime.

[@marks6663]

@@middleeastern5796You don't think people try to cover up their mistakes? lol. The fact that you are that naïve about human behavior, is what is ridiculous.

[@Daniel-ng8fi]

@@marks6663 you just think that because that's what you would do. People on search and rescue miss people and have people die on them all the time, it's part of the job, they aren't going to orchestrate a coverup for that.

[@syberphish]

@@Daniel-ng8fi They could if there was lots of media attention that would shed a negative light on their vital efforts, justified or not. SAR folks are great to have around, but they're just people. But in the tens of thousands of SAR incidents over the years, you don't think any of them anywhere, ever.... has made a bad or possibly illegal call? That's weird, because on that metric they'd be superhuman.

[@brunobucciaratiswife]

After my uncle's memorial, my mom got a phone call from an unknown number. It left a message on the answering machine, and it sounded like someone was in a room full of talking people and a voice said "I'm okay now. I'm on the other side." Could have been a stupid prank but it made my mom smile, so... yeah.

[@brunobucciaratiswife]

@James Bond that sucks. Idk why someone would do that to my mom. I don't know how anyone even knew. The only people that knew he had died were his immediate family

[@gooseofspooks2500]

In my opinion if it helps bring you/ your mom some peace and closure then it doesn't really matter what the truth is. I've had something strange happen after a passing of someone close too and maybe it was them saying goodbye or maybe it was just a weird coincidence my mind made into something to help get closure but what does it really matter, either way it served it's purpose

[@christywright3430]

@@gooseofspooks2500 That's right. If OP's mom had some comfort from it, then it just doesn't matter. My 2¢...

[@katebattista7400]

@@christywright3430 Kind of disagree. It's a big risk to call a grieving person and fake a message from their dead loved one. They got lucky in that the recipient took it well. It could have been taken poorly at a very sad time. Plus, it says a lot about someone that their thought process is "hey, is that lady going through a heart breaking, soul crushing tragedy? You know who needs to insert themselves into this? Me."

[@christywright3430]

@@katebattista7400 Good point...🧐

[@willcarmichie698]

Literally just turned my computer open to do my final assignments in my worst course and now I have to watch this before I get started. Dang. Also, texting while train-ing is new to me.

[@reginaldbowls7180]

"Died on impact" doesn't necessarily mean the victim is deceased. It could mean that they were in a position (crushed) which when moved they would immediately die from blood loss.

[@sponish0]

i mean if they specially said there's no way he could of made any phone calls and would of died on impact suggests he had devastating injuries like his brain was laying next to him or something

[@hylinmorris6641]

Hi, Ex-Coroner here. 'Died on impact' literally means the subject was ... dead immediately on impact. The terminology can't get any easier. If they died from blood loss then we don't say they died on impact. Please, come back to reality.

[@Tiagoroth]

I think there's some confirmation bias happening here on the end of the family, to be honest. The only calls that were reported are the ones that are significant. What if the phone dialled all of the contacts due to damage, and only stopped once it finally died? A local Dominos he has saved as a contact wouldn't think twice about a random static phone call, but his close friends and family would.

[@PosthumanHeresy]

But why wasn't the phone on his corpse? They explained how they found the corpse: they tracked the phone calls. When you make a phone call, an invisible line of data in the form of radiation is formed between the phone and the tower. What they did was follow the line from the tower to the phone. But instead of ending at the phone, the line ended at the phone's owner's dead body rather than a cell phone. So, did his corpse send out cell phone radiation to the tower from his location? That's impossible. The alternative is that the phone physically existed in two locations at once, a concept known as quantum superpositioning and only possible with quantum particles, and then resumed existing in only one spot when observed (which _is_ how quantum particles behave) and moved from his corpse to the unknown second location of the phone. That's just as impossible as the previous explanation. The phone calls aren't even the crazy part of this story. The crazy part is that they tracked the phone calls to the exact location of the phone but found a corpse instead of a phone.

[@stun2187]

@@PosthumanHeresy it could’ve been near by but hidden in the wreckage

[@fraggit]

@@PosthumanHeresy Yep, Schrödinger's cat nicked it.

[@hylinmorris6641]

@@PosthumanHeresy The phone was not on the corpse. He even states that in the video numerous times.

[@Void-Realm]

It's possible that phone records were accessed. You get sent a copy of calls anyway with your bill.

[@bobjohn2000]

It's so refreshing to have a channel who doesn't treat everything on the internet like gospel like the clickbait channels (like nexpo, etc.)

[@JoJo-ie8sl]

so disgusted with Nexpo. Pointed out a glaring error he made in one of his videos and he blocked me. So much for accuracy.

[@XxarnyxXx]

I'm ready for the creepy

[@hereelabs]

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[@dustyyshellz1320]

Doesn’t surprise me with all the news outlets reporting of that “alien” monolith. You should also cover that btw

[@AbsolXGuardian]

I mean those are real, the monoliths. But reporting is playing off the alien connection more than they should. Since the story seems to still be developing (a new monolith appeared in romania), Sociable probably won't cover it until a few months after it's died down. Because people planting and removing massive monoliths is still pretty wild.

[@christopherdittmer17]

He talked about it on his stream on slightly sociable yesterday

[@Slenderquil]

The alien monlith thing just seems like a marketing stunt for something related to 2001 a space oddysey, perhaps a remake of it.

[@Blakbox92]

Probably just an art project by some rich weirdo

[@primarytrainer1]

@@AbsolXGuardian It wasn't even massive or high quality. I was blown way out of proportion.

[@SLRModShop]

Well, that's an easy one. He used his phone to hear the voice of his closest relatives one last time. There are a ton of cases where the real cause of death and/or circumstances aren't disclosed because they are too gruesome. They probably found the guy split in half or some shit like that and realized he spent the last 3 hours of his life watching the other half of his body. I'd say the same thing to the family, that he died on impact.

[@StaticLatency]

Lmao what drugs are you on to where you think people can live with half their body cut off 😂😂😂😂😂

[@ptrekboxbreaks5198]

And they couldn't hear him because the phone was damaged I'd assume

[@MrMrjaymz]

Wait, if the phone wasn't recovered, how do we know it wasn't making calls to random people? Do we even know how many people were in his contacts at the time?

[@DrHouse-xo4lb]

You don't need to find the phone to get that information. The service provider can share call logs that will tell you who the calls were made to and for how long.

[@shadyoakum9978]

Also phone location is a part of the log.

[@katevgrady]

To your second question, this was 2008 so without the phone we can't know how many/what contacts he had, since there wasn't cloud storage.

[@Jjudes9665]

Just want to say that paranormal occurrences with phones can happen. My elderly Dad would always call me every night between 9pm-9.30pm before he made tracks for bed, even if I had spent the day with him ....he still made his call to say goodnight. He’d done this each night for ten years since my Mum passed away. If he hadn’t called by 10pm and I couldn’t get any answer by phone I would always presume something was wrong and I’d make the ten minute walk to his retirement flat to check he was ok. My Dad passed away from a major stroke nearly four years ago. A few days after he died my daughter and I both commented on how much we missed his little bedtime chat each night. Being a single parent, Dad helped me raise my daughter in every way he could for someone in their 80’s, and he was very much her constant male role model. I think my Dad wanted to let us know he was ok, because three days after he died, my home phone rang at exactly 9.18pm. The display screen on my phone told me Dad was calling from his home phone. I answered the call. It was mostly static, but I could just barely make out a few unintelligible words in my Dad’s voice. The call lasted about 20 seconds before the line disconnected. The only reason I know it WAS my Dad calling me from beyond the grave was because that very day one of the things I had done was disconnect the phone at Dad’s flat and bring his phone home with me with possible ideas of using his phone to replace mine as it had two docking units instead of one. I actually checked my Dad’s final phone bill for this phantom call and it did legit appear on his bill. To this day four years on I have no answer to this. I believe he truly just wanted to let us know he was now with Mum and he was ok. Believe what you will, everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but I’d like to think it was my Dad contacting me and my daughter just one last phone call to say night night and I love you.

[@KaRmaTheSchemer]

He was alive crushed under something, when the rescue team tried to free him he bled out

[@SanskritBlue]

Good theory!

[@christopher88719]

I agree it was probably something like this. He might have appeared dead and was going in and out of consciousness and was in a difficult to reach spot with traumatic injuries and the rescuers passed him by. He also likely had one of those keypad cell phones where you hold down 1 through 9 to speed dial your most important contacts and he was holding the buttons to call them but was too injured to talk. He passed away shortly before being found.

[@absollum]

@@christopher88719 He might have been too weak to talk but the phone more than likely was damaged as well. I had an old Razor phone with the screen completely out that I only replaced when the mic crapped out. It came out like static so it's likely he called but his mic was shot. Which still makes this incredibly tragic.

[@dertythegrower]

2 obvious things... 1. he was fading in and out, and eventually threw the phone into the pile of wreckage 2. the phone was looted by a train track troll or someone leaving, and the screen was cracked so maybe it just randomly called before being tossed.

[@Chroniknight]

@@dertythegrower neither of those are obvious ...

[@joshuadutton8500]

When my grandfather passed away 10 years ago, my mother(his daughter) received a text message the following week from his phone #. What makes it even more odd is that she received the message while driving in the car with my grandmother(his ex wife), who still had his phone in her purse. “8 I am here”. We assumed the 8 was supposed to be an infinity symbol. I still think about that.

[@austin7203]

Someone in my family once responded to a call for an accident that happened. A forklift or bulldozer had fallen on someone and cut off the lower half of their body. They where still alive when my family member arrived on scene. When my family member talked to them the person with their lower half missing said they felt no pain but if I remember the story right that person died soon after. So it's possible that this guy on the train had an awful injury and kept calling either so his body could be found or to try to speak with his family one last time. Be really hard to butt dial 35 times all to different people. Maybe the guy knew he was going to die and wanted to hear his family members. Maybe the search and rescue team thought this guy to be dead at first (or soon to be dead) due to his injuries then realized that he was still alive.

[@natemccollum3731]

I really believe that your narration background adds a lot to your videos. There’s something so captivating and hypnotic about it. Like all reality falls by the wayside

[@Blacksheep-Ba-Ba]

My brother who was my best friend and irish twin passed away several years ago. I was inconsolable for quite sometime. One afternoon- i got a text message from my dead brothers phone- it said Es brother John passed. It was from a Johns number- when i got home, my husband and my son got the same messages from his number. I had Johns phone in my home after he passed- it was uncharged and completely dead. John had been gone for 3 months when we got the messages. His phone number had not been resigned to anyone yet- when you called it- it simply said his number was disconnected ❤❤❤

[@nomercyforswine]

Most likely explanation is that his phone was recovered but misidentified, and it was being used by search-and-rescue crews to see if other family members of his were on the train. Calling his close contacts and then listening for other phones ringing would be a good way to find other potential bodies in a mass wreck like this.

[@Blakbox92]

It's plausible - find the phone without body, attempt to ring numbers on speed dial to see if it leads to any more victims of the crash. Phone isn't associated with Peck until after this story comes out, and the S&R responder is too embarrassed or afraid to come out about it, or would prefer the family to think it was their loved one saying goodbye or something, or they were told by someone higher up to stay mum about it because their calling was a breech of some sort of procedure.

[@apollogeist8513]

Why is this one not higher up?

[@bbygirlfromda253]

But if they were using the phone to call family members to see if they could hear any other phones ringing nearby then wouldn’t they have heard his family members screaming and yelling through the phone? In the news report his fiancée said that they answered his calls and were yelling that they were going to find him, it was going to be okay, hang in there etc. I think the rescuers would have definitely heard that especially since his phone made 35 outgoing calls. Why would they hear people answer the phone and still make 35 calls.

[@HashCracker]

Not to be too rude, but this theory is wacko.

[@jaffa3717]

If they never found the phone then it could've been another person who survived and tried using his phone to call someone for help ???

[@4swordsluver]

this was my first thought!

[@System-zu7np]

@Xian Khalifa They were concussed/woozy from bloodloss and had a phone in their hand. Calling contacts with family names makes sense.

[@austin6ish]

@Xian Khalifa maybe speed dial?

[@kyrkbymannen]

Why only static then?

[@axelded13]

this sounds possible. as for the static, the phone's mic might have damaged by the impact. the person that found the phone might have tried calling several contacts that are close like "mom", "son" or "brother"

[@russellst.martin4255]

Charles could've had speed dials set up, so that could explain both how only one or two periodic nudges from falling debris etc could've caused his phone to place calls, while also contacting only those people closest to him. I suppose it's also possible that eventually something so large fell onto his phone to either obscure it or destroy it completely. Just spit-balling though.

[@Lavaburst11]

Asked my dad who’s a lawyer about it. He said that emergency services are usually under the protection of what’s called as “Good Samaritain Law”. Pretty much unless you mess up really badly to the point where other EMTs and such recognize that, you’re safe from legal consequences. Additionally, it’s not completely unusual for EMTs/emergency personnel to cover for each other.

[@r12rtpilot]

You are a man after my own heart....love this channel

[@FranzPerez21]

Quite frankly, i think there's a bunch of information missing here that could explain this that could point to something other than coverup, mismanagement, or the paranormal, but it was either never looked into or never made publicly available. For example, were the people his phone called on his recent calls list? Were there others on that list (maybe a bank or utility company) that got the calls but made no note of it? What was the actual frequency of the calls and how spaced out were they? A damaged phone could easily make the inputs needed to call numbers on your recents list until the battery died, especially because many phones at the time used the green "call" button as a shortcut that would bring you to that list. The phone not being found isn't really an issue either. Phone tracking at the time likely wouldn't have been able to bring you to a 3 foot radius of its location, but could have vaguely indicated which car it was in or landed by. Had it been thrown clear from the body, it likely would still be close enough for the GPS tracking, but not necessarily easy to find. The telecom he was with likely could answer the questions about the outgoing calls. I wonder if anyone has been able to get that info.

[@warron24]

I think your right about the phone- but that turns the contradiction at the heart of this video into a bit of a dud, doesn't it? It's quite possible the rescue team ever traced the phone at all, simply deciding to sweep all the cars again, and the news embellished it slightly (probably by accident). Not really a smoking gun that something was awry in the story.

[@sleepystars8482]

I remember when this happened, I had totally forgotten about the odd calls.

[@arod762]

A new monolith was found yesterday right after your stream. I believe it was in Romania.

[@psychheathen7233]

And then that one disappeared too lol

[@henrybarreras5505]

Its a viral marketing campaign for some new dumb app or movie

[@haze2779]

Fluffy Ducks at this point its probably some fortnite event

[@hiimshtixy1220]

Poorly made, the 1st was great.

[@year6million]

@@henrybarreras5505 prob

[@Pater___]

Assuming that he was alive, i cannot imagine the pain knowing search and rescue is here, but being missed. I hope he’s at peace now. I also wanted to thank you for the way you covered this, so many KZbinrs similar to yours cut straight to the ‘oooh its a ghoooost’ angle and with real people, i feel thats just disrespectful

[@jakistuart]

Discovered you today and enjoy your tales and your nice voice, thank you. Liked and subscribed

[@SakuraAsranArt]

Last time I was this early we still didn't know Satoshi Nakamoto's real identity. EDIT: Just checked in on this thread to find 590 likes, that's the most likes I've ever received for anything ever, pre or post-internet. Thank you and feel the love 😍

[@slugworth3111]

Who is this man?

[@tonofgaming6291]

@@slugworth3111 bitcoin scammer

[@aerielblair8333]

wait hold up... we know? i must have missed the memo; who did it turn out to be? Edit: also, I thought it was Nakimoto?

[@Ниодин-ж1е]

@@tonofgaming6291 lol what are ypu on about i hope your joking lmao

[@Ниодин-ж1е]

@@slugworth3111 thats the name written on the papers of the offical bitcoin papers but bo one knows if this is even a real person

[@WeTheScourge]

They covered it up so that his family didnt have to know that he died a long and painful death.

[@fromthegamethrone]

Imagine if the calls were from someone else in the train, alive until 1 hour before, injured in a way that they were unable to speak and the best they could muster was to spam call

[@PosthumanHeresy]

Then his body couldn't have been found. They said they traced the phone calls to find his body. That would only tell them the exact location of the phone. They knew the general area and failed to find him, so it wasn't a general area given. It was an exact waypoint on a map which should have been the phone. Yet instead it was the corpse without a phone.

[@jimmywilde4768]

I was squarely in the "Phone Glitch" category until you kicked my head in with logic on this one. Great video.

[@martincorneille7998]

Thanks for this video. The major hole I cannot account for in your theory is : why did no one hear anything but silence after picking up the calls? Especially if the person was really alive and dialling the numbers. Even assuming he was unable to speak, he would at least groan, moan, or make random noises... Who on earth would be buried alive yet not attempt to send at least some signal of life to his relatives when they are just at the other end of the line speaking and listening to him?

[@cryptoranger7931]

My thought on this would be a searcher found his phone and used it to call people close to him to see if they were on the train, if they were other searchers would hear a phone ringing and be able to find the person. When they decided to trace the phone the searcher who found the phone went back to the car he found it in, so that the trace would lead everyone to that car.

[@MaceGaming53]

Good theory but why would the searcher repeatedly call the same numbers when the family members answered ??

[@SanskritBlue]

I like it.

[@funarrates6635]

Yes, it’s me Angry Racoon and TheFatCrow from the live streams yesterday. Can’t wait to watch 👊🏽

[@re_i_gn]

This reminds me so much of the car accident wherein a mom was heard yelling for help by multiple witnesses on the scene. Once the rescuers got there, her 18-month old baby was passed out but alive while the mom supposedly died on impact. What's strange about this case is that in all the interviews involving the rescuers, they seem genuinely distraught by the event and are willing to cooperate with the public to figure out what happened. It's unlikely that they're trying to cover something up. Also it couldn't have been the baby yelling because she was already not breathing for a while. kzbin.info/www/bejne/qoXUfaOVnr6jrtU This event is so strange but my theory is that the mom was barely holding on to life until the final seconds when the rescuers were finally able to get to her child.

[@richiepieters9560]

The pacing and structure of your videos are amazing. Very good voice for this type of thing too. Your channel is a gold mine 🤑

[@sourdface]

That poor woman breaking down recounting those memories hit me really hard unexpectedly.

[@PaperFlare]

The whole "found the body due to tracking the phone" sounds like movie mumbo-jumbo in and of itself: If you've ever used your phone to get directions (especially "from current location") you know they can be...off...at times. In perfect conditions phone GPS has an accuracy of approximately 20 feet. In sub-optimal conditions (like being buried in rubble), this range can vastly increase. Now, let's just stick with the 20 foot radius - that's πr^2 or 3.14(20)^2 = 1257 square feet. That's a MASSIVE amount of space to be searching and magically discover a body thanks to the GPS of a phone. What's most likely is that the body was found during a secondary sweep that would have occurred with or without the phone calls. I hope the guy died on impact (as stated) and somebody who took the phone was just fucking with them, rather than the much more grim alternative: he was alive, buried in rubble, and calling for help for over 4 hours before he eventually succumbed to his wounds.

[@NoeLPZC]

They said they narrowed it down to the first car. That's easy to do even with a 20ft radius. Also, GPS isn't always so inaccurate. All my phones have been accurate to 2-3 feet at most, barring occasional skips where it loses tracking momentarily.

[@thesuperpunmaster6369]

@@NoeLPZC I mean, it would have been buried under rubble and this was in 2008, but it still would have narrowed it down to the front few cars

[@ryuuji159]

I dont think GPS was used in this case, but radio antenas

[@kylechaparro7668]

it still took them a few hours at best to find him it seems like, they didn't say it was the last phone call that allowed them to track it down. it was an hour after the last one that they found him so it plausible that they didn't find him at first due to him being buried in a spot that's hard to reach and they were moving quickly to try and find people in the rubble and missed him. after the phone call they got excited and started to really dig into the wreckage and then at some point moved some rubble and found him.

[@White_Recluse]

That just gives a better explanation for why they didn’t locate the phone.

[@juhoisoluoma]

Oh look. Clicked on this 42 seconds after it went live.

[@salis-salis]

bruh

[@tepetti]

What if someone else in the train found the phone and tried to make contact to be found?

[@caitlinramsay22]

This is actually a good theory. Combining that with the mic being damaged on the phone (from the crash) which made the calls sound like static theory, and the speed dial for important contacts theory, this could really be plausible. Like what if the person found the phone and was using the speed dial function as a desperate way to get help, which was common on phones back then, and was trying to talk but the mic was broken? Food for thought I guess

[@N3ONLUV]

This is a good one

[@bra24hnt52]

@@caitlinramsay22 They would call the police

[@skeetinyoureye6484]

Thats exactly what i thought maybe the phones broken and you cant talk on it and its someone that doesn't really know how to use a phone or text or whatever

[@josephwilliams2821]

This happened to my family for several weeks after my youngest brother suddenly passed. We would get random calls and texts from his phone but with no one speaking and the texts had no msgs. We never figured out why or how this could possibly be. It was very upsetting, especially to my mother who received many of them.

[@Void-Realm]

Maybe it was spoof calls/texts from a scammer company. Or depending on the circumstances of his death the phone was stored in a way where it was accidentally texting/dialling. Another issue could be an issue at the phone service level but who knows! Very odd. Sorry for your loss.

[@scrotchrocket8560]

You arent alone. My mother got 2x calls from my brothers work phone overseas after his death. Who knows. At least she has witnesses.

[@tapedlockz420]

@@Void-Realm i've gotten calls from my own phone number before which was creepy as hell so you might be right

[@sstanfo1]

I've been a repair tech for about 4 years now and I have to say that motherboards can still function even when most experts would say they are toast. I've recovered data off a motherboard that was bent at a 40 degree angle with some of the chips having lost solder. My theory is that it got lodged in the train during the crash and became indistinguishable from the wreckage. As long as that battery wasn't punctured and the battery connected stayed on the board its possible it went haywire and started calling contacts in the phone.

[@justarandomgamer6309]

The black fluid background is so mesmerizing.

[@WolfyTheDark]

I remember this one. Still honestly scares me how these calls were made, tracked to his body, but not found. If he did survive and was trying to reach family, I find it more likely after a few calls he'd send a text message at some point. Maybe text a "help," or even call 911 and let that track his position. In the case this is a coverup for the rescue effort or a cruel trick played by someone at the scene, it's still unlikely that the truth would be hidden that the phone was not discovered. I'm willing to believe the device was misidentified or lost in the cleanup effort, with the practically impossible odds that the device was somehow calling top-rated contacts. I'm no believer, but I am a susceptible skeptic and am willing to say something out of the ordinary happened. In the end, there's not enough evidence and we may never know if it was evidence of the paranormal, happen-stance, a truly unfortunate or even despicable act.

[@JD-gf7ur]

Yeah or you think he would have spoken or made sound on any of these calls if he was alive, everyone he called reported static.

[@ars3nic]

In regards to sending a text instead, it could be that the phone display broke and wasn't showing anything, while the buttons and the 'brain' of the phone were still functioning. Before smartphones, it was easy to use the buttons to get to and dial your recent contacts, without being able to see what's on the screen. Sending a text would be possible, and in high school 15 years ago I definitely typed out and sent texts just by button feel while keeping my phone in my pocket, but a 49-year-old who didn't grow up with cellphones would probably not be able to.

[@WolfyTheDark]

@@ars3nic As a kid, I had one of those safety flip-phones with those easy-program buttons, dedicated to start text messages and call specific contacts. It is likely that indeed the microphone was ruined, and the screen broken, with the phone still operable but I would hope that some text message could be at least spat out by pressing random keys.

[@briangriffith4574]

Texting wasn't the same in 2008 and most likely a 50 year old wasn't texting people at all

[@WolfyTheDark]

@@briangriffith4574 No, but it's not out of the realm of possibility. My father was in his 60s at the time, but still had a basic understanding of how to text with a basic flip-phone. My mother was also keen to using Blackberry phones, as she was late 40s but tech-savvy, in constant communication with work and family. I don't know what model phone this man had nor his skill level, nor the extent of damage to the phone, but it's still a chance that if it could make a call, it could make a text.

[@BelisariusSPQR]

Wow! Very intense video! These 9 min passed like 3! About this poor guy dying, I'm curious to know why he didn't call 911 but just his family.

[@dannydubya9410]

He might have had enough awareness to realize he was a goner. Just wanted to hear his families voice as he shut down

[@davidkaye8712]

I feel the same about these things, one incident springs to mind about an old woman that kept ringing emergency services after she had been found dead and her house was demolished, she was so prolific in calling them before death the operators knew who she was and her number the moment she rang, but long after her death she kept making calls and each one was unique. I forget the name of the case.

[@BLOOD33]

Great video bro !

[@devinjanosov]

As an attorney I can tell you it’s a question if they are municipal employees and enjoy qualified immunity (like EMS; fire rescue and police cannot be sued unless they literally violate a law in their actions) or volunteers; who can be sued for simple negligence in their activities (even if they volunteer for search and rescue).

[@wakeup8787]

I’m 5’7 and my wife is 6’3 why does that make us an odd couple?

[@suggestiveguy]

Women can't be tall i guess,that's very haram

[@otterno.1128]

I guess because most men want a woman shorter than them, and most women want a man taller, but I really don't see why they felt the need to mention it in the news report lol

[@salis-salis]

@Wake Up Yes.

[@Blakbox92]

Fellas, is it gay to date a woman taller than you???

[@skeetsmcgrew3282]

@@Blakbox92 Hahaha yea dude, super gay. Like imagine how big her hands would be, I mean if you want big hands just date a guy and be honest with yourself 🤣

[@hrdley911]

I'm a little curious as to how they were able to track the phone to a specific car. The trains are mostly metal, and if it was a GPS enabled phone, had no clear line of sight to the sky. If they were using tower-triangulation, there is no way that it would be so accurate. Years ago I was involved in tracking a person with the cellular provider's cooperation. The search area was several miles in diameter. Still, lots of questions remain regarding this strange incident. RIP to the deceased, the injured, and their loved ones.

[@grantlawrence611]

Great analysis

[@babyedits-]

An alternative possibility is that another passenger could have been using his phone who hadn’t died on impact to try and reach someone; it’s possible that in the chaos of the crash his phone could’ve ended up in another victims hands and they hadn’t died on impact and they were trying to reach someone. The most realistic explanation though is that it was him and the search and rescue crews missed him on their initial sweeps and by the time they found him he had passed but didn’t want to front the responsibility of missing him the first time around and potentially compromised saving his life.

[@globewithglasses]

It's interesting how the potential truth of this incident is more horrifying than the paranormal angle that the news clung to.

[@killadomain]

Wow even from the afterlife my man's getting ghosted

[@thedude5295]

I can't even imagine the long distance charges Ma Bell tacked on for that.

[@foreverpainful]

Ma Bell? Are you a time traveller or something?

[@thedude5295]

@@foreverpainful Yup. Me and my buddy got a time machine: kzbin.info/www/bejne/jarJd3ymdpicppI

[@swannwillow9476]

My mother died after a sudden heart attack many years ago. Three weeks after the funeral I was in hospital for a routine procedure. Shortly after waking up in the recovery room I received a call on my phone, the caller ID showing "Mom". I remember the shock i felt and immediately thinking I must still be asleep from the anesthesia. I answered the phone, almost scared to hear her voice... Turned out that my father (who lived in a neighbouring country) still had not managed to have her phone disconnected and figured he'd use it because it had calling time available. At first I was disappointed, then I was angry and told him what a horrible thing that was to do to someone. My poor Dad felt terrible and explained that he had been contacting my sister from this number several times after my mom's passing and thought I was aware that he was still using the phone. Sometimes things that seems unexplainable are just down to simple innocent mistakes.

[@kateorman]

What if a malfunctioning phone called every number it knew, but only Mr Peck's loved ones remembered the calls they received?

[@asha4736]

Or said malfunction set it to cycle through the most frequently called

[@ZekeFreek]

Did it not occur to anyone that anyone could've picked up his phone and started making calls? For what reason, I have no idea, but it's possible another one of the victims in a better condition than him managed to get ahold of his phone and started dialing whoever they thought was more likely to pick up, perhaps their panicked state left them unable to speak. They might’ve been able to track his body with the phones general location but by the time they got to the body, the person who picked it up might have shut it off and either pocketed it or disposed of it somehow. I don't know the exact events of this crash, who was in good enough condition to act in this way, how accessible his phone would've been and whether the victims were searched at any point during rescue, but it seems atleast plausible to me that it was someone else making those calls.

[@joelr2214]

I've got to say one of the number 1 things as a rescue operator myself that you are concerned about when rescuing people in a mass an incident like this is the lawsuits that may come from the family's if you fail to recover or resuscitate their family member I don't know what it's like in America but here in Australia where I live there are a lot of broad brush laws and legislations making it possible for the family members to sue the Rescue Crew for failure to recover or resuscitate in this case due to the phone call being placed from the person's phone it would be highly likely that the family would then placed a lawsuit against the rescue unit responsible for not acting quick enough or something like that once again I'm not sure how it goes in the US but that's how it is in Australia

[@vladmihai8377]

this is the best coment from this video

[@jameshesler5587]

Thanks KZbin for not giving me a notification

[@NotaDrDoom]

One thing I’d like to point out about the time period and cell phones: Back then, unlimited voice/text was rarely an option, you typically had to wait until after 9 pm to be able to speak without burning through your minutes. In some phone carriers cases, they allowed you to select 5(ish) individuals to speed dial by holding 1,2,3,4, or 5. What I’m assuming is, from the looks of it, he had close family and loved ones included in this selection and his crushed phone would have a sort of random ability to “call” people, seeing as all that you needed to do to use the service was hold down 1-5.

[@louis_quinn]

I think you are right, he was alive for hours and unfortunatly it took the crews way too long to rescue him.

[@Nono-hk3is]

Capacitive touch screen can malfunction so that it reacts as though it has input despite no actual touches. That happening on the recent calls screen might explain the calls. It ends after 12 hours because the battery died. The missing phone is absolutely understandable if you've ever been in the scene of massive wreckage. Who the hell would want to sort through tons of twisted metal? Once survivors are found and fatalities are recovered, cleanup crews will use excavating equipment to fill trash containers which get taken to the landfill, as fast as possible. No one has any reason to be out there searching for someone's cell phone.

[@onelooongboi5838]

Kinda related but I saw a video where some dude stabbed his phone and it started playing music because I guess the phone registered the force on the screen as someone actually tapped the play button

[@chistinelane]

This was in 2008

[@wildgorillaphoto]

The timeframe for this train accident coincides with the active promotion of T-Mobiles Myfaves features where you could add your top 5. Your top 5 would have been on your home screen of your flip phone. While some dismiss the pocket dial theory to family members only, if the deceased had T-Mobile and a top 5 list then this might explain dialing only family members. However we don't know where the phone was, and I'm not sure if we knew who the carrier was. I'd think the family would have known if they were in the top 5 too. So this is conjecture.

[@K-Effect]

He could've lost or had his phone stolen before or even when he was on the train

[@sierraskye913]

@@AnAverageGoblin cant tell if this is a joke, but the man whose phone called relatives was not the train operator

[@AnAverageGoblin]

@@sierraskye913 I wasn't paying attention. whoops.

[@triumphmotorbike168]

Hey Mr Socialable I know this is months later after your publication of story, but wanted to speak on behalf of rescuer. I’m a Firefighter (not LAFD) and have recovered many deceased from car accidents, other entrapments etc… it’s not common practice to grab their phone. I will however try to find a wallet or some form of ID for coroner and our reports. I have had a deceased persons phone ringing while we’re removing the deceased and I’ve made the mistake of peering down and it’s always heartbreaking to see “mom” or “dad” calling…….just my perspective as a paramedic. Thanks for the channel.

[@JP-wx6uh]

Perhaps some moisture got into the phone and caused the phone to open up his stored contacts and call some of them.

[@DeadLegMedia]

In my entire law enforcement career, the times we have used the pinging feature to locate a phone or a person with a phone being remotely successful. Wed get a generalized area more than, the phone shows in the first car towards the front of the wreckage, its more like stand in this position, anything you see within half a football field in any direction, thats where its at. Beyond that, thats 2008, smart phones were a thing. Now its 2021, 2020 at the time of this video, but a lot of cell phone companies keep records beyond what the required retention of records by the FCC. Meaning, beyond just asking the carrier what the phone type was, the family would have an idea of the phone type. Not only this, that FCC record part I mentioned before, they were able to obtain very detailed to the second call log information, but not know what type of phone it was? My personal opinion. The media reached for a story to push and found a family to help push a story, a story thats tragic enough in its own right that you dont need to add any fluff to it. None the less, any rookie cop with more than 20-30mins out of the academy would raise a ton of red flags right away with things. If you hear hooves you think horses, not unicorns.