How did Thranduil get the scars on his face? What exactly happened in The Hobbit? Three versions.

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@sidensvans67 6 ай бұрын

Thranduil in my opinion was Elven perfection . Wonderful .

@josephprice4095 6 ай бұрын

Thranduil is my favorite character. Especially in the movies because of Lee Pace.

@logansfury 6 ай бұрын

If the character of King Thranduil stands out or is more memorable or enjoyed than other characters from the movie trilogy that is simply a testament to the amazing acting of Lee Pace.

@futuresonex 6 ай бұрын

The only war that makes sense for Thraduil to be burned by a dragon is the War of Wrath. As he was Sindar rather than Noldor it is unlikely that he participated in most of the wars of the First Age, and he certainly would not have been in Gondolin when it fell. He own capital city was carved underground to emulate Doriath. That's the simple life he wanted to back to, and there is no mention of him being in any of the named fights. The War of Wrath, however, was an "all hands on deck!" type of situation. It is likely that is where he got his scars if indeed they were caused by dragonfire. It's the only thing that fits.

@abbeylg3060 5 ай бұрын

He has been in lots of wars just research or just Google it. You should know it cause you guys are born smart and perfect, aren't you?

@davidponseigo8811 6 ай бұрын

Those of us that have actually been in battle and seen conflict and earned our scars don't brag about them on KZbin. We try and push them into the back of our minds and wonder if tonight will be one of the nights you wake up in a cold sweat screaming for friends that never came home and you wonder why you did and they didn't. Real soldiers just want to forget.

@Admiral86Untidy 6 ай бұрын

He said while commenting on a video about a fantasy series that has nothing to do with him but seriously sounds like he's bragging about it....... 🤨

@barbarossa1780 6 ай бұрын

Says the drama queen 🎻

@rotunnoe 6 ай бұрын

Are you using an AI voice for this channel? The mispronunciation of names and places really takes away from your content.

@davidponseigo8811 6 ай бұрын

Of course he is using AI , he doesn't care enough about us to take the time and read it himself.

@Tacko14 6 ай бұрын

Does it really matter if the content holds? I’m tempted to ask questions I never asked before. This content is more cynical than most, and I like that. Even, especially, when looking at Ukraine or China vids, it pays to be cynical, and this is good training.

@smosmo4617 6 ай бұрын

Kaza dumb 😆

@adonian 6 ай бұрын

@@davidponseigo8811most likely had AI write it, and pick all the photos too, tons of AI generated content here now. And we watch, and they get paid. 😂

@ninnywaggon3470 6 ай бұрын

yes

@simonbionary11010 17 күн бұрын

No other actor portrayed an elf lord as well as Lee Pace. He seems so royal!!!

@anselamb9881 6 ай бұрын

So narrowing this down, there are only a few major battles which a) involved dragons, and b) involved Sindarin elves/elves of Doriath (or at least didn't explicitly state that there weren't any Sindar). The Siege of Angband had one dragon, but Doriath remained closed and did not fight. At the Dagor Bragollach, the breaking of the Siege of Angband, saw the main emergence of Glaurung the first Dragon, and I think we're getting close. Again no Sindar are stated as fighting, but they're not really mentioned. Since the land of Doriath is essentially encircled by Morgoth's forces, it's hard to imagine that they wouldn't fight, even a little bit, despite the protection of Melian. However I do feel like if Thranduil had faced Glaurung, he'd have lost a lot more than half his face, but some 16 years later, at Nírnaeth Arnoediad, Glaurung has fathered numerous lesser dragons. Therefore during the time of shortly after the Dagor Bragollach, and continuing through to the War of Wrath, Northern Beleriand, and Doriath, is under constant assault by Morgoth's forces, which include a number of fire breathing dragons. The protection of Melian ended with the death of King Thingol, some 7 years before the fall of Gondolin, and Doriath itself fell soon after, though not to the forces of Morgoth. The people of Doriath, Oropher and Thranduil among them, would then scatter, in this landscape besieged by orcs and dragons. After their attack by the sons of Feanor, they would not have sought the aid of the Noldor, nor would they have looked to the Dwarves (who had killed Thingol), they were essentially on their own, surviving as best they could, for close to 90 years, until making their way east at the end of the War of Wrath and settling in Greenwood. I would find it very unlikely that they didn't encounter at least one dragon during this time. Not all is doom and gloom however, firstly, many survivors made it to the Havens of Sirion, though it would later be destroyed by the sons of Feanor again. Secondly with the arrival of the host of the Valar in 545, presumably Morgoth would have concentrated his forces to meet the threat. My conclusion therefore is that while scattered in Beleriand, between 506 and 545 of the first Age, the survivors of Doriath faced at least one Dragon. If we assume Thranduil made it to Sirion, this would have occurred on their way to the havens. I have no evidence to support them actually making it to Sirion though, and my best guess based on their personalities, would be That Oropher and Thranduil made their way east fairly early on, with a small company of loyal elves. Over the course of many battles and losses, they survived the War of Wrath, and made it to Greenwood, having lost most, or all, of their original company.

@granthropologist3622 6 ай бұрын

Thank you so much for this; it’s a highly satisfying deduction.

@st33zyf0rilla2 6 ай бұрын

lee pace .. great actor

@roku3216 6 ай бұрын

It may be as simple as having been one of the many skirmishes “Greenwood” fought in its long slow fall into “Mirkwood” and not a specific famous event.

@abbeylg3060 5 ай бұрын

He showed his scars to Thorin because he got mad when Thorin blamed him for being scared of dragon's fire. Thranduil reminded him that he fought against the great "serpents" of the north which were far more dangerous and greater than Smaug. He warned Thorin not to underestimate him. I'm also very impressed how Thranduil uses his magic to hide the scars. He must be very powerful with his elven magic and spells even without needing the rings. I don't understand why people think only ring bearers are considered the strongest. There were lots of elves without rings of power who were much more poweful than ring bearers. Maybe Thranduil also has very powerful magic feats that could make him equal or more powerful than ring bearers.

@capucha8729 6 ай бұрын

He fought at the siege of Angband he also was born in the beginning of the elves. He fought against Morgoth.

@randywise5241 6 ай бұрын

The worse scares are the ones you cannot see on the body.

@Tacko14 6 ай бұрын

What if, hear me out, Thranduil was tainted? What if he nearly fell to Sauron’s, or even Melkor’s, attempts to make him Ork, and that gave him his scars? Not any dragon. That’s a story I’d like to know

@worldtraveler930 6 ай бұрын

The Elven's ability to heal would be considered Truly Phenomenal if not Miracle Level by the mortal men, what if anything we are seeing shown by Thrandral is the Memories and Horrors of war manifested through Elvin magic not physical lasting injuries!!! 🤠👍 P.s. Thrandral is an Elvin King and Not any lord!!

@mixmaster3028 6 ай бұрын

I always like the book version of him more than the movie version because in the book he was not a jerk

@koron9895 6 ай бұрын

given Angmar is a big topic in the hobbits trilogi it would not suprise me if they asumed Angmar had dragons in its service. Granted its never stated to my knowleadge that there ever were any in the Witch kings service. But with Tranduil being so tied to the fall of Carn Dum and how he talks about how Legolas mother died as a result of it i kinda asumed it.

@csphoenix9 6 ай бұрын

Gondolin sounds most probable, Thadaril could have been there as a ambassador from the Sindar

@sageofcaledor8188 6 ай бұрын

Interesting video. What do you mean by what side is he on? The good guys obviously.

@thehellyousay 6 ай бұрын

he got his scars because it was written into the movie's script. i've read most of the tolkien compendium thoroughly and repeatedly. no mention of thranduil being marred by dragonfire. it was hollywood insulting our intelligence yet again.

@dolam 2 ай бұрын

Thank you.

@neatwheat 6 ай бұрын

I think it was a bit odd. Taking place within Tolkien's lore I'm sure this is a bit of an exaggerated display of battle scars. The elves would have means to regenerate that tissue over time with their magic.

@Chopawamsic 6 ай бұрын

Dragonfire may contain some of Morgoth's corruptive power. it might interfere with healing magics.

@neatwheat 6 ай бұрын

@@Chopawamsic That's true. Didn't think of that.

@hyeonjaelee1938 6 ай бұрын

Great thumbnail ⚡️

@simonkammeyer4334 6 ай бұрын

This funny because I watched hobbit 2 lastnight. Which is still one of my favorite LOTR movies. I absolutely love that we got so much more elf stuff in the Hobbits. Tuariel, Legalos, thrandriel. I could watch an entire movie centered just on the woodland realm. The father son dynamic is very interesting and legalos obviously loves tuariel. But ya I was thinking lastnight that I wanted to know more about the scars. He uses elf magic to keep it hidden? That's savage. How strong is he. And how much magic do the elves possess? What is the extent of thier powers and abilities?

@vixendoe6943 6 ай бұрын

Thranduil was pretty powerful in his own right. He held no ring of power but he and his people were able to withstand three attacks by Sauron's forces during the War of the Ring

@simonkammeyer4334 6 ай бұрын

@vixendoe6943 that's badass. Lee pace made that character great too. His performance was awesome. I'm excited to hear that we're getting more LOTR projects in the future.

@vixendoe6943 6 ай бұрын

@@simonkammeyer4334 me too! I hope they give them as much love and attention as Jackson does.

@derekwightman7895 6 ай бұрын

Did you get Paul Rudd to narrate this? Bravo!

@nimai44 6 ай бұрын

All he needed was a good mirror to rehearse the lines.

@aidinzarbaf2698 6 ай бұрын

Thranduil says serpents of the north not dragons !

@_hinterfragt 6 ай бұрын

serpents = dragons ..

@aidinzarbaf2698 6 ай бұрын

@@_hinterfragt nope, these are two different things. This is just add on to the script completely outside of Tolkien’s literature has no lore value.

@sportreviewhd4767 6 ай бұрын

@@aidinzarbaf2698so now the are snakes in the north, come on bra, dragon snakes are mostly referred to as the same depending who is referring to them

@josephgriffin2388 6 ай бұрын

Winged dragons were Morgoth's last defense. There had been nine before. Glarung, the father of dragons...was a serpent or "worm" as Tolkien called them.

@andrewmcleod9312 6 ай бұрын

Serpents are dragons. Forget Hollywood nonsense. They Maybe different in books, ok fine. In human space, serpents are dragons. Look at all the statues, paint ,ark work and so on and so on

@nellyespinosa8207 6 ай бұрын

Not saying the actor did a Bad job... But in three movies that No One asked for in the first place (if you've read the book) .. I can't say he "overshadowed" the main characters.

@pentegarn1 5 ай бұрын

I'm going with the battle of Gondalin. It's really the only one it could have been given the Balrogs and dragons involved.

@CountryLifestyle2023 6 ай бұрын

AI voice doing this ruins it

@PHe-l6n 6 ай бұрын

Tolkiens Elves don't have scars.

@worldtraveler930 6 ай бұрын

Correct the Elven's ability to heal would be considered Truly Phenomenal if not Miracle Level by the mortal men, what if anything we are seeing shown by Thrandral is the Memories and Horrors of war manifested through Elvin magic not physical lasting injuries!!! 🤠👍

@chadwhitfield6946 6 ай бұрын

Yeah, and asking who's side was Thrandruil on? Wtf?

@AllAboutRush 6 ай бұрын

‘To the bridge of Kazád Dumb!’

@ReggiePerez1784 4 ай бұрын

He says, "The great serpents of the north". Does that definitely mean dragons?

@eliotreader8220 6 ай бұрын

I thought that it was normal for his people to have a scar on their face. I have a mark on my hand where a dog's claw scratched it

@safetybuddy 6 ай бұрын

Why did the elves or someone else not heal his scars?

@Swine-O-Sonic 6 ай бұрын

The withered heath and s only just above green wood the great. They did indeed have conflict.. you need to read more....

@Swine-O-Sonic 6 ай бұрын

You are plain wrong on so much of this... The sylvan elves never moved north away from the dwarves.. what are you on? You're spouting rubbish and it's AI voicing.. come on do better