Why did Thranduil from The Hobbit tolerate Galadriel and even Elrond? Good reasons.

[@otterdad123]

I don't know about anyone else, but I despise bots reading these things and screwing up pronunciation.

[@jeffbranch8072]

Very butchered, isn't it?

[@nichr165]

It is horrible to listen to, and I have even seen audio books read by bots as well 😮‍💨 imagine to listen to a complete book like this

[@tsuchan]

Well, if your first language is English, and especially if you're an accomplished vocal practitioner, that's probably understandable. But many or most people aren't. I know it can be a bit annoying, but it is at least spoken in a language you understand, you don't have to read subtitles to access it.

[@goal_getter]

I thought I was the only one lol

[@ronroche3138]

Agreed. It's hard to take this video seriously because of all the mispronunciations.

[@DarthRay1969]

Thranduil by this time was the oldest Sindar elf left in middle earth. While he seemed hostile to everyone he kept the dragons north of middle earth held the line against the spiders patrolled the eastern side of mountains and kept watch over both smaug and the goblins. He was like a general who was to busy to bother with anything outside his theater of combat. Like wish so was Elrond. Elrond in one aspect kept the only watch over Angmar and the nazgul. Galadriel ruled lothlorien and provided a retreat for elves weary of the long stalemate. Thranduil would also been taught by Melian and most probably spoke to Elron and Galadriel mind to mind. That power is inherent in all Elves to one extent or another.

[@StevenLeitner]

What about Cirdan? Wasn’t he technically a Sindar?

[@kennethwoody5897]

Celeborn and Cirdan were Sindar.

[@villekuronen6242]

Cirdan is oldest Sindar by far in Middle Earth

[@kennethwoody5897]

@@villekuronen6242 Cirdan is part of the Umanyar by all accounts. Which makes him one of the oldest elves in existence.

[@turinturambar347]

@@villekuronen6242I e always wondered that. Is it necessarily true? Don’t you suppose there might be other elves who are older than Thranduil and Elrond? Maybe even older than Galadriel and Cirdan? There could be elves among the Avari who spread into other lands not mentioned by Tolkien and maybe their peoples missed all the major battles and do have had more of their groups survive all these years. And maybe there are some elves in Lorien or Greenwood or Rivendell who are older but simply don’t play a part in the stories? After all, not all rise to great power and status. Could be some common soldiers and/or smiths or craftsman among the elves have survived through the millennia without ever rising to a level of prominen that they have the status to be mentioned in the books. There were tens of thousands of elves left in Middle Earth after the war of wrath. Most of whom were already thousands of years old. Surely at least a few hundred would have survived through the 2nd and 3rd ages. Especially among the women who don’t partake in battle.

[@captainflamson]

Galadriel's mother was Teleri and she was said to have "fought fiercly" in defense of her mother's kin against Feanor and his sons in Alqualonde...Thranduil was descended from the Sindar of Doriath, severed kin of the Teleri who, after the events of the First Age had desired to go back to the simple life of their ancestors, before the journey westward. His father was killed in war with Sauron so I think Thranduil rather sought to keep his people safe by means of secrecy in the woods and in his caves (an echo of Thingol's caves of Menegroth). He saw becoming involved in outside affairs as putting the safety of his people at risk.

[@DonMeaker]

When Aragorn took Gollum for safe keeping, Aragorn took Gollum to Thranduil.

[@michaelmichaelagnew8503]

Well Thranduils son Legalos did go to the meeting so there was some communication.

[@martyadams3172]

this was to inform Elrond and Aragorn that Gollum had escaped Thranduil's custody, where Aragorn had brought him (because Thranduil had dungeons!) Thranduil at that time was working with Elrond, Galadriel and Celeborn to stop Sauron. With luck we'll get a new movie that takes place during the years before the Council of Elrond. If done right, it ties it all together.

[@billebrooks]

Galadriel had nothing to do with the Kinslaying, which was done by a different house of the Noldor, and Elrond was born rather late in the first age, long after the Kinslaying. Galadriel had dwelt with King Thingol in Doriath. Also, Thingol and Galadriel had been to Aman, but Elrond and Thranduil had never been there, at least not until after Sauron's final defeat. It seems like the author of this video is claiming that Galadriel and Elrond got blamed by Thranduil for a lot of things that had nothing to do with them.

[@bjs362]

Galadriel and Elrond weren’t even full Noldor (Galadriel being half Teleri, close kin to the Sindar) and Elrond was a victim of the kinslayings so I dunno about this analysis of Thranduil’s thoughts.

[@OldBillOverHill]

The entire Noldor who returned were under the doom of Kinslaying and some of them, while unwitting, did participate and fell on the rearguard. She was with that host. They themselves endured great privation in the crossing to Middle Earth. Galadriel desired to rule her own lands and was influenced by Feanor and betrayed by him.

[@billebrooks]

@@OldBillOverHill Some of the Kinslaying was done by those not in Feanor's house, true. However, as the sole princess present among the Noldor, I doubt Galadriel killed anyone. Galadriel was also the granddaughter not just of Finwe, King of the Noldor, but also Olwe, a king of the Sindar. Her father Finarfin abandoned Feanor's cause, along with many of his house. Galadriel herself had no host, unlike her brothers, and she established no realm in Beleriand. When she established a realm in the second age in Lothlorien, it was Sindarin, not Noldorin.

[@OldBillOverHill]

@@billebrooks Well, considering I'm reading the Silmarillion for like the fifth time. I'll not spoil the experience here. My point is SHE was one of the leaders of the rebellion and in that capacity,, complacent.

[@tsuchan]

Feanor was the primary elf responsible for the kin slayings. He was Galadriel's uncle, wasn't he?

[@shereemcclelland2186]

Thranduil is my favourite out of all the characters in the LOTR and Hobbit trilogy’s, Lee Pace absolutely nailed it, with Mr Bloom ( Legolas) close 2 nd. Peter Jackson got it perfect with the two of them.

[@coltaine503]

There's a lot of conjecture here passing as fact (see the many comments below). One thing that is a fact is that no one was 'summoned' to the Council of Elrond. Not by Elrond or anyone else. It is stated quite clearly by Elrond that the people meeting there seemingly arrived by happenstance all at the same time. He suggests that it is not actually by accident but a guiding force arranging that these people all arrive at Imladris at this singular, crucial moment.

[@jawbreaker9240]

Actually, though Galadriel went to the Telari with the sons of Feanor, she denounced them and switched sides during the first kin slaying. Her mother, who was married to the High King of the Noldor was a Telerin elf meaning she herself was half Telerin. She followed Fingolfin rather than the sons of Feanor and crossed the Helcaraxë in the far north where the ocean was a mass of ice. The argument that she wasn’t liked by thranduil because she was part of the Noldor doesn’t hold water because she was akin to thranduil and the Sindarin elves through her Telerin mother. Also in most canon stories Celeborn (Galadriels husband) was Moriquendi, like Thranduil and they both lived in Doriath in the FA.

[@thomasplinguidy4588]

Well, Thranduil was definitely not your average elf, arrogant, aggressive, but also an elf king, powerful and with a sense of responsibility. Since there aren't even any scenes with him and Galadriel in the books and films, why should he be enemies with her? If they had met, the Queen of Lorien would have quickly softened him up. To be honest, I was hoping that there would be such a meeting in the third part of The Hobbit. At the meeting in Rivendell in The Lord of the Rings, Legolas appears as his father's emissary, so Thranduil at least had diplomatic relations with Elrond and his people.

[@martyadams3172]

Not mentioned was Thranduil and Orophor's dismay at Galadriel's taking over of Lothlorian, right on the southwestern edge of Orophor's kingdom in Mirkwood. At that time, Orophor was king and they had a "castle" at, of all places what was to become Gol Dugaur. Orophor felt they had to move farther away, so went north east to the other side of the mountains. As isolationists, they didn't like a Noldor kingdom so close to their own headquarters.

[@mitche5007]

We will never know how much communication was between them, Galadriel was telepathic, she didn’t need physical contact or messengers, all she had to do was communicate with him telepathically if she wanted to. It seemed to me like he had his hands full, already dealing with his own kingdom.

[@ragnarlothbrok8001]

I personally have been a fan of Thranduil since day 1

[@Torstenn-b3x]

I'm not sure this is completely all correct in context. 1. Thingol had good relations with the children of Finarfin, of whom Galadriel was the youngest. Of course, he was very upset and angry to hear of the KInslaying (and Galadriel did beat about the bush about it, until Melian perceived the truth), but even that did not permanently break the bond with the children of Finarfin. Yes, he didn't like the Noldor, but remember that Finarfin's descends were _also_ part-Teleri - Galadriel was the daughter of Eärwen, Olwe's daughter and therefore the great-neice of Thingol himself. So if Oropher and Thranduil honoured Thingol, they _should_ have respected that Galadriel was one of the few "Noldor" in Thingol's favour, as well as of course in Melian's too. 2. Although Galadriel's reasoning for leaving Valinor and coming to Middle Earth was largely to set up as a ruler of a land herself, and although she achieved it _eventually_ in Lothlorien, she didn't do it for a very, very long time - unlike particularly her cousins, the sons of Feanor and Fingolfin. In fact, she dwelt in Doriath with Thingol and Melian for many, many years - she was "of Doriath" in many ways, including her choice of husband - another nobleman of Doriath (said to be Thingol's great-nephew). Again, Oropher and Thranduil would have known this and _should_ have respected the fact she did not ever take the title of Queen, even though she co-ruled a kingdom and was in fact a Princess by birth. 3. Again, if Oropher and Thranduil honoured Thingol and his grandson/successor, Dior, they should appreciate also that Elrond was Dior's grandson...and that he as a child at the time was blameless when it came to the fall of Doriath and the Second Kinslaying, and of being captured by the sons of Feanor to be raised by them. Actually, Elrond is in a fairly unique position to not only be the one with the best claim to be High King of the Noldor folllowing Gil-Galad's death but _also_ the High King of the Sindar through being Dior's grandson and Thingol's great-great-grandson. That he chose not to pursue either title _should_ have been a point in his favour with respects to Oropher/Thranduil.

[@sharijackson3985]

This isn’t correct on many points.

[@ashapuhin72]

When the fellowship of the ring cross the rived nimrodel Legolas recited the lay of Nimrodel or parts of it and mentioned that the song is still being sang in the halls of his people and Rivendell..tgis alone suggest contacts and cultural exchange between them

[@krafka]

Poorly researched. Galadriel is married to Celeborn, a Sindarin Lord, the grandson of Elmo, younger brother of Elwë and Olwë, the two Kings of the Teleri. He rules Lothlorien WITH Galadriel, not because of her. Most of the remaining Silvan elves live in either Lothlorien under Galadriel and Celeborn or in Mirkwood under Thranduil. Elrond is the great great grandson of Thingol the Sindarin High King from the First Age. Thranduil sent his only son, Legolas, as his representative to the council in Rivendell to discuss the One Ring. Legolas was not only welcome in Rivendell, but was made a member of the Fellowship - an extremely important role.

[@Vincentzw]

I’m sorry, there’s an elf named Elmo? That’s amazing.

[@AiriDee]

Well, Legolas didn't come as an emissary to a planned meeting. He's more the messenger, a bearer of news for an unfortunate happening: Gollum's escape. And he took part as a member of the fellowship, because the other option - Glorfindel - was too... shiny and he would draw attention to a mission that should be kept a secret.

[@abelingaw5070]

@@AiriDee Eh not only that. Having Glorfindel with the fellowship would have made Saruman and Sauron redirect all their resources towards them. The Uruk-hais + the Nazguls with orc armies will overwhelm the fellowship, regardless how OP Glorfindel is, they will die against such numbers.

[@raffaelmacielschneider158]

Galadriel herself was half-Teleri, since her mother, princess Eärwen, was the daughter of Olwë, King of the Teleri in Alqualondë.

[@dolam]

This is better than I expected, but a few critiques. Thranduil's relationship with Celeborn should have been highlight more and some names are mispronounced (like Celeborn and Doriath). However, I think you are spot on with the relationship between the Sindar and the Noldor.

[@magnusmarkling]

What AI generated voice is this? It managed to have three different pronounciations of "Galadriel" alone. :(

[@ladyaurelia1099]

One thing that is usually misinterpreted and misunderstood that does irk me a bit is the blaming of Oropher and Thranduil for the slaughter of their people. Remember, Tolkien fought in WW1. He left plenty of clues in his writings if you look closely. Remember, there was plenty of bigotry and prejudice amongst the elves. Remember where these lightly armored and mostly archers were placed on the battlefield. In the front where you would typically find heavily armored soldiers. If they were to be used effectively, it would have been as flanking highly mobile troops to use them effectively. In essence, they were cannon fodder and they knew it. One of the only ways to escape complete annihilation would be to do something outside of simply waiting like cattle to be slaughtered. War is not kind or genteel. Anyone who has studied military history and strategy, or has been in war knows that sometimes troops are sacrificed because others are deemed more essential. I tend to think that it’s amazing that any from the Great Green Wood survived at all.

[@kneel4zod]

Elrond’s mother was Elwing, daughter of Dior. That makes Elrond a direct descendant of king Thingol. And, Elrond wasn’t even born until 26years after Doriath was destroyed by the sons of Feanor

[@reneen.3519]

Is this a real voice or AI? It talks with inflections but also sounds too consistent to be human. It's eerie and soothing at the same time. 😬

[@WaggaDaBagga]

In the movies The Hobbit by PJ Director, The Conflict was about The Dwarves had a treasure that belonged to Thranduil The Mirkwood Elven Lord. "Legolas' father". Tolerate Elrond and Galadriel, both were elves, one lord of Rivendell and the other queen with her husband who was also an elf. Thranduil held no grudge against the elves. It was the Dwarves. Because he thought they were stubborn.

[@topcat5553]

Galadriel refused to support the first kin slaying..because she was half Telari on her mothers side (not because she was busy).. She fought against the Feanor to protect her mothers kin.

[@fredsafarowic3149]

Thranduil was a Dark Elf. Elrond was technically the High King of the Noldor in Middle Earth and had the blood of a Maiar, Melian. Galadrial had been to Valinor and was of the house of Finarfin. They also each had an Elven Ring. King or not, Thranduil wasn't in their league.

[@joshualittle877]

He was not a Dark Elf. He and Legolas were considered High Elves even though they never went to Valinor. They were Teleri. The Sindar and Nandor Were Dark Elves but Thrandul and his kin were not.

[@marcarnaldo03]

​@@joshualittle877 Thranduil is a Sindar. Get your facts right.

[@ellingtonGaming]

And elrond was not "technically king" he was not king of them at all. Which is why he is called Lord Elrond. The last king of the Noldor was Gil Galad

[@jonathankieranwriter]

Tolkien himself noted three times, specifically, that Galadriel and Feanor were the greatest of the Noldor, that the two were equal in power, though endowed with different gifts, with Galadriel being the wiser of the two, ultimately. Elrond was not her equal, though he was certainly the next most powerful Elf remaining at the time of Sauron’s final fall, aside from Cirdan and perhaps Glorfindel. Thranduil was mighty, but not on the level of Galadriel and Elrond.

[@sageofcaledor8188]

Nice video but I think you overlooked how there were initially good relations. But other comments explain it better than me

[@BigBroKuma]

Bro Thranduil literally sent Legolas to inform Elrond that Gollum escaped 😭

[@frenchsterr]

Elrond is the oldest living direct descendant of Elu Thingol, so that would make him the high king of the sindar if he had claimed it and hence Thranduil’s overlord.

[@OscarSteglich-x2x]

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[@The_Bashar]

Thranduil withdrew and held (defended) his position thereafter. He *did not "ACTIVELY" oppose Sauron.* I've given up on ai voice over channels 🙄. My iq takes a beating each time they butcher names and sentence cadence.

[@chriskroutil1518]

Thranduil's only real negative trait is that he was inexperienced

[@burstcity3832]

It's hard not to get on with folks who have rings, especially one who can see into your mind.

[@boydpease4103]

J R Tolkien is a better source for Thranduil than P R Jackson, in fact all elves together would sing a lament over the Direction & Production of P R over J R Works. Thranduil sent Legolas to Rivendale so there was genuine solidarity over anything Sauron It is sure while attacks on Rohan occurred that assaults upon Morkwood and Erebor and Dale did also. However I do feel Thranduil could have played a larger role in LOTR, but since his strong magic was not associated with any of the rings J R seems to have avoided all that. For with the fall of the rings Thranduil would still have a powerful magic that yet again goes untapped by J R in the Fourth Age. Summation it's not a Galadriel Elrond vs Thranduil thing, it's a magic sorce thing by J R whom set his plot based on ring source magic for even Saruman had a magic ring Thr magic swords could have developed a more magical source as well

[@christianefiorito3204]

Because Galadriel is a niece of the brother of the King of Nargothrond and Elrond is a descendant from Beren and Luthien. So they whre not 100% Noldor. The problem is with the Noldor and especially the Feanoriens like for example Celebrimbor and where closer to the Sindarin elves and both did not participatd at the Kinslayinc of Alqualonde.

[@the_bottle_imp]

This is more or less balderdash, and the pronunciation is execrable. For a good bit of the First Age, Galadriel lived in Doriath with Thingol and Melian who ruled the Sindar. Galadriel's mother was Eärwen of the Teleri and niece of King Thingol; Galadriel is half Teleri herself and only a quarter Noldor. Galadriel's husband, Celeborn, is a Prince of the Sindar. Beleriand was not a fief, and Thingol owed no duty to any lord. Thingol considered himself ruler of all Beleriand, but following the flight of the Noldor, Finrod ruled more of Beleriand than Thingol. Many Sindar lived in Hithlum with Fingolfin, High King of the Noldor, and a great many Sindarin elves went with Fingon founded Gondolin. Both Noldorin and Sindarin elves lived at the refuge of the Mouths of Sirion where Elrond, was born. Also, Elrond, a descendant of Thingol is more closely descended from the Sindar than the Noldor. (Elrond is only 3/32 Noldor, but he's 5/16 Sindar!) Further, in the Second age Gilgalad's Kingdom was a Noldor/Sindar fusion.

[@razsego]

Ah, Ssseleborn, the mighty sindar lord...

[@NathanJayHeilbronRuff]

The title should be called " Don't tolerate"

[@nhmooytis7058]

Because he had the best hair and biggest...elk.

[@Aule22]

Galadriel was the triple royal, as she was a born princess of the Noldor and Telerians, but also was related to the Vanyar royals. Elrond was not only the direct heir by blood of Thingol, He was a born prince of the Noldor, as well. His daddy was heir of a Noldo King , and was one of the most bad assed Elven heroes of all time Eärendil! So one of the reasons for the friction? Jealous much?

[@adriennedunne1748]

As far as I know, Celeborn is pronounced kel eh born not sel eh born. Thanks for the video.

[@Gpiforever1]

This is an interesting post that no one else speaks about

[@esto]

Name pronunciations all over the place in this video.

[@Torstenn-b3x]

Another AI "narrator"...

[@livebygames9467]

Legolas son of thranduill came to the council? May i know what im missing here

[@Faoiltierna]

"Galadriel did not participate in the kinslaying because she did not have time...." Say what?? And that whole, "Galadriel's kin slayed the the Teleri." It would be more appropriate to say, "Galadriel's kin slayed her other kin, and she fought on the side of the Teleri in that battle." So much bad information in just the first few minutes. I could not finish it.

[@victoriakidd-cromis1124]

Thranduil seems bitter to me. If his father had listened to Gilgalad and engaged with the enemy in a place where they couldn't be surrounded like they were, then his father, along with many of their kin, might not have died. Brooding only harms you. It doesn't do anything to anyone else.

[@andreguia1731]

galadriel did not came with the noldor of the kinslayers, but before, btw.

[@ronniecorbett6306]

He had a splinter in his shnozzle.

[@keithwing4715]

Ins the hobbit wasn't it thranduil who came and helped galadriel, not sarumon and elrond...

[@d0nKsTaH]

I do have some questions. I did not complete the Three Books. (read the Hobbit twice but could have missed something important still). Q1: You say (in the video) that King Thranduil did not attend the "White Council". Okay, is that the discussion about the ring that began the Fellowship? Q2: Grudges aside between these Elves and some of the others, If there was a grudge, wasn't Legolas, King Thranduil's son? I simply don't recall from the Hobitt (book), but It is implied or said in the (cough) movie adaptation. Q3: Kinda a statement or theory, but I wonder if you could research it for me since I didn't finish Two Towers or Return of the King (books). I wonder, if the two Rings of Power that both Galadriel and Elrond had on were "removable"? If not, then they were cursed by Sauron to stay bound to the "One Ring" and would explain some things (in my theory). It would explain that their "visions" could be intercepted by Sauron in some ways. Maybe not like a direct "text", but through understanding of feelings or dreams where he would figure out over time. Galadriel used some sort of telepathy to speak to Elrond long distance mind-to-mind and mentioned this in the movie at least. "The Quest will claim his life (Frodo)..... you have foreseen this.... So what do we do? (about Rohan) .... do we let them fight alone? " (She sent her Leading commander while Elrond supplied the troops to back up Helm's Deep). If the two Elves KNEW that Sauron was eavesdropping even a little... they could manipulate some things but they'd also have to cover for some things (like no revealing Frodo's secret mission to destroy the Ring). Point is, does the Two Towers and Return of the King (books), cover this in any detail at all? I'd still also like to know more about Legolas' relationship with Thranduil. Father/son? Or did something happen? I know "Tameral" was fictionalized for the film.... so that would not turn them against each other assuming they were Father/son. Either something else or Legolas volunteered or was sent. I didn't even get to the point in the Book "Fellowship" where Legolas was introduced. I'm assuming if the two Rings of Power were bound to Elrond and Galadriel then their power was gone once the "One Ring" was destroyed. As they mentioned at the end of the RoK movie at the Grey Haven Although she did mention THREE Rings (one was with her husband if I am correct, and he didn't have much of a role in the films). Thanks in advance for reading this

[@PartTimePimpn]

I’m pretty sure he was in contact with his son throughout the events of the 3rd age

[@nuffsaid9050]

Elrond and Elros where have partial descended of all the Houses of the Elves including Human and Ainur Elrond is destined to rule

[@tsuchan]

Gabriel is literally married to a Sindar elf, isn't she? You even say it yourself at the end of the video.

[@keeparizonawild156]

This sounds like a script written by an AI

[@brenthenshaw3585]

Tranduil wasn't descended from the Teleri, but from the Iathrim, though he may have been born in Doriarth. Galadriel's mother was of the Teleri. So your reasoning for Thranduil not liking Galadriel doesn't quite work.

[@judahschultz]

Long story short, Galadriel is a High Elf from the Undying Lands. Thranduil is a "common" elf of Middle Earth. Galadriel and Glorifindel were unable to be killed by normal means in Middle Earth, as in the the FRICKIN WITCHKING OF ANGMAR didn't dare mess with them, whereas Thranduil could die by mortal hand. Thranduil was also denied entry to the Undying Lands, whereas Glorifindel and Galadriel were merely returning home. The only reason Legolas was allowed entry was due to his involvement in the destruction of the Ring of Power of the last rogue Maia of Morgoth. The same goes for Gimli.

[@chazfromtheburg]

This AI has been schooled by Amazon it seems 😂 there's more wrong than right in this mess

[@s_shaleh]

He's just being petty.😂😂

[@Tacko14]

That’s funny. I thought Elrond and Galadriel to be arrogant, and here it is: they were. The Noldor were, at least. Whereas Thranduil always seemed to me as a holder of the true first principles. In The Hobbit movies at least, apparently that aspect was reinforced. For me, that one thing made him more real to me than Elrond ever managed. Thranduil had seen true, if bitter, life. He never got a ring, I imagine he would’ve refused one or any altogether.

[@fantasywind3923]

Funny considering that the Hobbit films actualy exaggerate and simplify or even to some extent villify the character of Elvenking Thranduil :). Elrond is as far as possible from being 'arrogant' he has kindness and wisdom in him that prevents any sort of snooty arrogance. The Noldor were at times proud, and yeah there were among them arrogant guys (though unlike some they CAN pack the true power and value that justifies them being so, as they are often much better in everything than we can imagine). The feanorians were well known for their arrogance and they still were impressive and had moments of goodness, kindness and understanding of others, but obviously since the feanorians are almost obliged to be jerks they often were :). The book version of Thranduil is way more nuanced, more three dimensional, Elvenking can still look on others with kindess and warmth while also at times being a stern responsible leader, he has compassion but if you anger him he will be serious not to mess with! Elrond has seen much bitterness his life itself is a tragic story.

[@StevenLeitner]

You say family ties mean everything to Thranduil. You do know that Elrond is a legit DIRECT descendant of Thingol. If anything he should be bowing to him as his “king” if family ties and blood lines means so much. He wasn’t a part of the white council because that was for the wise and he wasn’t one of the wise straight and simple. He wasn’t a high elf or an enlightened one. He “tolerated” Galadriel and Elrond because they were far more powerful and wise and better connected than he was. Thranduil is a great character in his own right but you’re not making much sense if you read the books.

[@brianc9374]

Elrond is the heir to the king of the sindar

[@BubbleOnPlumb]

No Legolas was Thranduil's heir not Elrond

[@stepandolezal7155]

@@BubbleOnPlumb Elrond is great grandson of Elu Thingol, King of the Doriath (and of all Sindar)

[@sakemp3480]

​@@BubbleOnPlumb Elu was Thranduil's liege lord, ergo he'd owe allegiance to Elrond

[@billswan4419]

Her mother was daughter of owe brother of thingol

[@baskorotejo92]

so oropher is thingol bastard or something?

[@Maedhros587]

To call Elrond a Noldo is a stretch. He had just as much Sindarin ancestry, not to mention he was a halfelven. Galadriel was mostly Teleri, and had nothing to do with the second kinslaying, and i think Thranduil would have known that. He is also ruling over the Silvan elves, which would have affected his judgement. The realms of the Noldor in Middle earth was estiblished outside the realm of Thingol. It is true that there were som friction, but they did come to a settlement.

[@Jupiterbaal1980]

Galadriel was part Teleri

[@guyguytx]

It was created by AI I think

[@AlexisLopez-pb8ms]

People keep saying Galadriel is of the Noldor. She’s only 1/4 Noldor. If anything she should be identified as Teleri as her mother was the daughter of the Teleri king.

[@chiefingmagician3108]

She is tho that’s y that power is inside her the way it is 😂😂 he ancestry comes from an extremely powerful noodle elf so watered down or not she most likely inherited full blooded abilities

[@alexsherel3344]

Per your opening remarks…BS,, Elrond and Galadriel way more “powerful”

[@UmarSadien]

Why did thranduil tolerate the el ron and gala drie al? SIMPLE ANSWER IS HES FATHER

[@augustiniumihaila4466]

.... not quite

[@gamesmore6583]

Wasn't Celeborn king of Lithlorien?

[@juanjomtz4606]

Not really, they we're the rulers but refused the titles king and queen

[@flokkiusflenobi5749]

Amroth was the last king of the golden woods, and also a Sindar

[@chefitaly7339]

Bad pronunciation bro😊

[@ribeirof8150]

ok, this is just wrong

[@evanjohnson1299]

They couldn't trust tranduil eith the responsibility of confronting saroun ever since the war of the lasr alliance suffering from ptsd and survivors guilt(the dead marshes where mostly mirkwood elves) he retreated from every confrontation and hid behind his feasts and merriment. It wasn't until after the events of the hobbit that he snapped out of it and lived up to his responsibilities forcing most of the Easterling forces to attack him insteas of gondor

[@johnburgess9033]

This is the worst AI voice and pronunciation I've ever heard. And it's Keleborn, not Seleborn!!

[@bas7905]

STOP MAKING THESE VIDEOS. You're wrong in so many ways

[@alexiachimciuc3199]

Elrond and Galadriel had royal blood...Thranduil was a nobody.

[@paulinarapicka]

That "Nobody" actually did fight in a battle (even 3- in the Battle of Dagorlad, in Hobbit, then in LotR: War in the North) and helped Humans. And what did the great Lady Galadriel do? Housed the Hobbits, gave them trinkets, and waved "goodbye". It is NOT the ancestors that made someone a great ruler, but their own abilities. Both had those abilities, but somehow because Thranduil doesn't have a "pedigree", he is somehow lower than Noldorian elves simply "just because"... Galadriel is overrated while Thranduil- underestimated.

[@sakemp3480]

​@@paulinarapicka You say that because you don't know that she helped beat back three attacks on Lothlorien and destroyed Dol Guldur... by herself.

[@nico114334]

@@paulinarapickathranduil doesn’t display powers like Galadriel ..