How Different are MXGP Bikes to Production Bikes??

[@davenawahine4428]

The production rule is a god send for the average consumer. Otherwise we'd still have 4" of suspension travel and an additional 50 lbs of weight.

[@Womb2DaTomb]

Best comment here, you're 100% correct. If there's no production rule we don't get all the nice fancy things as they don't have to sell it to us.

[@fudidle]

Its like the difference between walmart bikes and the bikes they ride at rampage. Because of the production rule, the average joe gets a bike that could compete with the pro bikes to a degree instead of trying to ride a bike that is designed as cost effectively as possible to maximize profit on suckers

[@MarcSherwood]

Also makes the races about the best rider, and less about team budget.

[@subl1minal]

Everybody underestimates how much of a difference proper setup and suspension make when you're learning to ride. Good suspension feel is about consistency, or being able to predict what the bike will likely do when you hit something at speed. The more dialed in that is, the easier it is to focus in on technique and proper riding skill. Every rider should learn proper suspension and chassis setup and get used to understanding what clickers, preload collars and fork height do to a bikes handling.

[@christopherfreeman3095]

I remember reading an article back when Fevre was riding the YZ450 in GP. The editor had just ridden an AMA YZ450, and just couldn’t believe how much more perfect a bike could be. Obviously they aren’t in the same league, but I always hear specifically about the chassis tuning of Fevre’s bike. Makes me think that he has a particular sensitivity and ability to articulate changes. The dude must be fantastic opportunity to work with as a race engineer. I feel like they would learn so much working with him.

[@jessejames14]

I totally agree, spending tons of money on upgrades to a bike sounds like a great idea, but unless you’re in shape you’re just throwing money away 😮

[@sunrealclothing]

I was a 2 stroke 125 A racer in my day. I had a stock 1986 Cr that we simply revalved suspension, replaced piston & rings every 3 races, kept fresh clutch plates every 3-4 races, fresh tires, dialed jetting each race... And I won FL Gold Cup and holeshot 125A Mini O's against legends and pulled a podium and a few top 5's... racing unknowingly with a burst c1 4 days in that 86 Mini O's, came back & 1st day back with a foot slip off peg, crushed arch, 6 mo more on the couch... so ended up a fill in Jan 88 at Gatorback on a stock 1988 Cagiva 125 WMX on my very first time riding since both injuries & yr on couch... never rode the bike... box stock... I swept 125A Winter Am by half a lap both motos.

[@johnjones231]

Who cares

[@sunrealclothing]

@@johnjones231 definitely not a negative person like you. Must be miserable waking up being you everyday. A few kind people did though. I'd still smoke you on a 125 today... You probably never made it out of C Class, if you even raced at all... Hit up Jesus, he'll help you with your misery.✌😎

[@jamesreynolds5721]

Great convo. Gypsy gang

[@MJBOGAN]

There should be a couple testing rounds each year where the teams can put some prototypes for next year into race use. Just to add another layer to the cake that already is.

[@jaredgordon2798]

Motor mounts make a huge difference in comfort you won't be faster but you'll be more comfortable over a longer period

[@mikeandrews1899]

I remember gatorback 1984 seeing Bailey come off after the checkers and leaning the bike against the chain link fence right across from me , and I was in awe , standing just a foot away from this incredible , and now iconic, alien area 51 looking factory works bike . Then Glover came by , ringing, dinging ,and pinging .... as he rolled past on his YZ490 😳🤷‍♂️

[@jonjackson6245]

All bikes are good these days, especially for any weekend warrior. The adjustability is amazing. Get the suspension done for your weight, skill, and type of terrain. Set up the ECU with the mapping you prefer. The brand you pick should be based on the level of support that is given by the local dealer or manufacturer, because all bikes need maintenance and repair.

[@fudidle]

This is entirely because of the production rule though, if the manufacturers didnt have to make their production bikes good enough for the pros, the production bikes would be like riding a walmart bike compared to a specialized downhill bike

[@UnsungThermidor]

Anything that makes you more confident and more comfortable will make you faster, and if it doesn't make you faster, it will help develop that skill set based on confidence. That expanded skill set and base confidence level will transfer to every motorcycle you own after.

[@TeddyParker]

Last point is so great. Even when it comes to mountain bikes. Having factory suspension with the most clicks to fiddle with... Meanwhile most riders DONT know what to do with them and likely ARENT pushing the bike hard enough to need to fine tune track to track anyway.

[@brianmaple4516]

The AMA should do a claim rule like at Loretta’s…. The cost of a frame plus 50% or something…. The stick engine X 2… Then run anything you want, but it can get bought from you. Don’t quote my exact numbers…. In don’t know what the correct economics would be, I was just making an example.

[@kYnTso]

I hope this never happens. Mfs straight up buying ur sht because they cant beat you otherwise is just wrong.

[@poorman9259]

I don’t wanna type like 3 paragraphs stating why we shouldn’t so I’ll just say no, I’d only be slightly cool with it if only teams below a level of like club or bar x should be able to do it. Factory teams or these teams like club don’t need to be doing all that, they got assets.

[@Chocimoto]

This was once a rule in road racing. A guy tried to claim Agostini’s MV and they shit themselves and did a deal where they gave him a couple of production bikes. I think it’s a great rule

[@rfair123]

Funny they're talking about the Kawi being a true "works" bike, that new Ducati is the epitome of a true works machine. For one off stuff and testing it's obviously easier to just machine from billet vs. a true "production" part and while they can basically make the same thing in a production bike it's just not the same. Prototype racing like MotoGP and F1 have their place and the trickle down theory has certainly produced some amazing production bikes. It's going to be very interesting to see how the new Ducati production bike stacks up against the others who've been doing it forever.

[@Papparratzi]

Don’t tell the aftermarket vendors that their trick stuff won’t improve your lack of skills.

[@SICVlogs]

I MET A GYPSY!

[@thomasrenfrow609]

You could've put JS7 on a stock Vespa and he'd still have won!

[@vmcmark7578]

........and how much more do OUR BIKES COST, us tall-short-105 to 305 pounders- fast- medium- slow normies out there, do we want/need TI intake valves that die & cost way too much & cause the valves to go out of adjustment compared to those great S/S replacement parts that damn near NEVER NEED servicing, all the way up to this MONSTER high bike that requires STARTING BLOCKS to stand on to get off the line sorta under control?!?! How about a situation like YAMAHA used to do: a YZ race bike & an MX weekend warrior bike. Just as you can make an 85 into a BIG WHEEL, you should be able to make a 38 inch seat height bike down to something near 33-34ish with ""ONLY"" 9-10 inches of wheel travel? People in the past won world championships with 3-4 inches of travel so something a bit lower can be made to work & function. I ride an old 2004 & 2007 KTM EXC & SX & still have MAJOR FUN. Hint: DO NOT EVER RIDE A NEWER BIKE THAN WHAT YOU CURRENTLY OWN & RIDE, EVER!!! Make them low cost & lower to the ground & they will still be fun!!!

[@dougchilton6611]

Still think there should be a production class and an open class.

[@sakariputtonen2683]

Kinda like Cairoli won so much on a "350"😁

[@gildo101rossi]

He did win on a 350, rumour has it when he was on the Yamaha 450, it was actually a 400.

[@bretloyd8097]

I miss 80's wirks bikes. . .

[@E63s_Scott]

Yes but no!! Chases bike isn’t that different to herlings chases is probs better tbf it has the frame with more flex and he’s way more sensitive to set up, herlings rides it pretty much any set up & likes his stiff

[@alfredk471]

If someone sneakerly changed the setting on my shocks less than four clicks, I don't think I would notice. If someone changed the headstay or engine mount to softer or stiffer, no way would I notice. Sag, less than 5mm, I doubt I would.

[@jtreminger]

If I’m understanding what you are trying to say, you want AMA to adopt MXGP bike rules I say NO! Why? Because our rules cause the MFG’s to push the new innovations to the regular consumer and then we win. The other reason is cost to the privateer. No this is not a good idea.

[@motozz8258]

Commentary from E grade riders they are all good . Myth created by the media ongoing it is . If you dont use stock bike clicker adjustments you dont have a comment on all bike are good would be the first obvious point . Media will tell you the first you do is get your suspension done , sales , 70 to 85kgs no prblem for a C class to learn the quality Suspension makers , yes the euros need a fix repair almost always regardless to improve them . Production rules are KIng , why the AMA mxsports Championships are the best in the world . Manufacturer of frames and riders , the best of the best with a wide variety of teams able to compete . Best Manufacturer with the best rider at the time is Motocross Sport not euro marketing show mxgpGncc. True fans see through the control of outcomes of those Brought to you Corparate takeover ktmhuskaberggas. Media gagged to tell you about tpi cam shafts estart wheel bearings spokes throttle cable fuel pump the list goes on , failures .

[@MrJerrylboyd]

like, like, like, like, like!!!!!

[@PoopScoopAlliance]

Jason Weigandt never rides though. Cant find a video of him rippin anywhere. He talked his way to his spot, No respect. He is a glorified cheerleader

[@simpdog1463]

JAson Weege doesnt no SH!T about bikes..LMFAO!