How DISAPPOINTING was Meganium ACTUALLY? - History of Meganium in Competitive Pokemon

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[@YesImJoeKing]

Dragalge, magcargo, drifblim, Aegislash or rotom and all of his forms! 💪💪💪

[@YesImJoeKing]

I always wondered why meganium and yanmega never got mega evolutions so they could become mega meganium and mega yanmega, respectively.

[@Element0099]

Name: Element ID: 5XR1DJ

[@Muhlads]

How GOOD was Seismetoad actually?

[@vaporterra]

Meganium would’ve been bad in competitive regardless but the perception of Meganium in game would’ve improved in any other region. It just happened to exist in the only region without Rock Water or Ground gym leaders.

[@Tetzll123]

Hey :) when you Beat the Champ you can visit Kanto. There Are Brock and Misty as a Gym Battle! Which types They Use you ask? Well find out, in Not gonna Spoiler you!

[@Mcguinness3]

Being bad against 5/8 of the Gym Leaders didn't help this poor Dinosaur out either...

[@Dr.D.R.]

I just don’t think it’s design is that appealing

[@gengarcrobat1576]

Poor Meganium isn't useful against any of the Gym Leaders, Elite 4 members, Lance, or even Team Rocket

[@joegreen3802]

@@gengarcrobat1576it does fine against Bruno

[@lory3771]

I was SO shocked when y’all said Meganium had a legitimate place in GSC OU. I’m so used to it being absolutely crapped on by everyone everywhere that I was sure there was no way it had ever been viable, and it makes me happy that it at least had a little time in competitive.

[@ManyTanks1]

Tbf most people probably never played GSC OU so that information isn’t as widely known as say snorlax and the legendary electrics being top 3

[@bulborb8756]

but that is where meganium peaked, after that...meganium fell down at mach 5 into utter unviability

[@lightdragoon88]

Yeah that was interesting to see.....until it fell off the cliff and hit every single rock on the way down.

[@MarioMastar]

In GSC due to the DV values not having a total cap, you could max out all stats to make a perfect pokemon similar to pokemon Legends, so thus defensive pokemon were the name of the game as EVERYONE was tanky. After that, with EVs being total capped, you had to choose to go for hyper offense or defense and thus many people favored pokemon that hit fast and hard. If it was a defensive pokemon it needed to have a powerful niche or be able to survive more than 3 turns with spikes and stealth rock chip damage to be worth it. cause that's about how long it'd take for Toxic/poison or passive damage to realy make a dent, or Chansey to destroy something with seismic tosses.

[@Jaeogijaoidfjlanflnasn]

​@@ManyTanks1 funnily enough, raikou isn't considered the 3rd best anymore by many competitive players. I would say that at this point it's fairly widely accepted that Cloyster is better, partially due to Zapdos being just more effective on average in a similar niche and partially due to how good Cloyster is. Some will also argue that Gengar is better as well, but overall the two are seen as pretty equal. (For the record, not saying this to try to prove you wrong as it *is* a "widely known" part of the metagame that its Snorlax and the electrics as top 3. However, it's not very accurate anymore).

[@zemidamebris8845]

its okay meganium. youre still no 1 in my heart.

[@Ashgrey0]

Mine too❤

[@tigerlover2853]

Exactly, Meganium is Nobody.

[@MouldMadeMind]

Get a better heart

[@B_A-tr]

I see you are a human of culture as well

[@plentyofpaper]

Every time I see no 1, I make a point of pronouncing it no one.

[@1BlueYoshi]

I think at the very least Meganium should get Strength Sap, that would definitely help with its walling

[@mikeymichmike]

This and replace Leaf Guard with Triage

[@brendan6555]

Have a new form that's grass/dragon with the ability marvel scale

[@steamed_ham1767]

Give it calm mind, draining kiss, triage, and a fairy typing, hopefully then it could be somewhat viable

[@12antlers]

maybe change its design too, to something more... necklace-themed? idk

[@SkylarSnowsong]

With it being such a bulky mon, I think it should get thick fat to at least get rid of its fire and ice weakness @@mikeymichmike

[@Logans_Login]

Chikorita was my first pokemon ever (I named it after my brother) so it was sad that Meganium struggled so much in game and especially in competitive

[@soradowty9187]

Chikorita was the first card I had in Japanese, released even before Gold/Silver came out. I went with it and it's been my baby ever since. Easily my favorite starter, even with all its pitfalls.

[@rickyterheege20duitseherde36]

​@@PuzzlePottage1390funny since it doesnt learn sludgebomb You might remimber the last move wrong

[@naganut9718]

Bruh I've used Chikorita ingame and its pretty good. Tf you on

[@themoolacato94tuna4]

I mean they buffed torterra and empoleon maybe meganium will Get. a miracle move/ability to make it viable.

[@clashatdemonhed9554]

I used it as a special wall with toxic in my last crystal nuzelock and it did ok enough

[@bdt2002gaming]

As a longtime Feraligatr fan, I genuinely think Meganium deserves a better hand. Shoutouts to New Pokémon Snap for giving this thing the spotlight it’s earned.

[@kriblar98]

I loved how sassy Ashes chikorita was in the anime and I always thought Baylee’s looked cooler than meganium it’s a shame cuz they barely seemed to try with it

[@iantaakalla8180]

Honestly, all New Pokémon Snap means for Meganium is that Meganium looks good and could be a mascot character that does badly in competitive

[@majesticgothitelle1802]

I wish it had a better hidden ability like thigh fat, filter or magic bounce. Leaf gaurd is a very terrible ability Plus a better move set with yawn, energy ball, seed bomb, trailblaze, or strength sap. These would be a great buff to megadnium. Since this was my first pokemon I used in heart gold. With the move set of paralyzing spores, giga drain, pedal dance and Magical leaf

[@codename618]

Fun fact, if you fuse together Meganium and Yanmega, you can actually get Megamega. Now give it a Mega Evolution. Mega Megamega. Edit: lmao, was not expecting this to blow up, what happened

[@Pam234]

Or megmega

[@codename618]

@@Pam234 I actually have a screenshot of Megamega from a few years ago (Japeal fusion generator).

[@dmitrisemenoff6455]

​​@@codename618it is in infinite fusion, the sprite's cool haha

[@codygriffin299]

Megamega Megamega Megamega Mega... I'm 100% Mega.

[@TSfish94]

They just merge and transform into a cube at that point

[@gamet2004]

I recently started SoulSilver again, and I choose Chickorita just to make the game harder... but I did not expected to be this hard at the start

[@ducklett01god]

Johto is very anti grass since it uses the types not used in Kanto Which was very in favor in grass types which is why fires are good in gen 2 and not gen 1 since the types fire was good against was only used once in Kanto but there are more fire weaknesses in johto

[@fernandoguillen5996]

Grass types vs gym: Flying: 💀 Bug:💀 Normal: Ok Ghastly line, i mean ghost:💀 Fighting: Good against poliwrath Steel: 💀 Ice: 💀 Dragon:💀

[@luckytia9076]

Jhoto literally HATES grass types to the core with Kalos being a distant second

[@AzoiatheCobra]

@@fernandoguillen5996 the ice gym isnt that bad. ice doenst resist grass, and pryce uses 2 waters and one ground...

[@_-Bane-_Main]

@@fernandoguillen5996 my first ever starter was Chikorita, and that silver play through was the most difficult one I’ve ever done. Granted, I was very young, but I used my eventual Meganium in every gym and League battle and it really underperformed.

[@SheezyBites]

The fact they didn't give Meganium Flower Veil as a replacement hidden ability is still wild to me, it doesn't have leaves any more and flower veil does leaf guard but better.

[@PIKMINROCK1]

Or Aroma Veil. Game Freak seemed to be very hesitant to change abilities until this generation ignoring unreleased hidden abilities(Previous generations that added abilities only took the second slot with the only Pokemon that flat out changed abilities being Gengar because it was kind of broken). In Teal Mask, we finally broke that rule again with Shiftry (changing Early Bird to Wind Rider) and Empoleon (Defiant to Competitive).

[@hazimmusa2448]

I like thick fat like they did for mega Venusaur, but yeah better ability will do justice. Plus, 2nd typing like Dragon since it already has the look.

[@BlueAizu_]

Whoaaa! We can't let Meganium have that ability, it'd be too broken! Now go give that weird looking chimera fossil with a tail for a body Strong Jaw so it can maybe stand a chance with Fishious Rend.

[@goGothitaLOL]

@@PIKMINROCK1Scolipede in Gen 6 also replaced Quick Feet with Speed Boost

[@davidacus956]

They did update Empoleon's hidden ability from Defiant to Competitive this gen. Maybe they'll give Meganium the same treatment

[@SYKim_94]

We went from Unfortunate to Disappointing ☠️

[@asterie_stythia]

Well, unfortunate didn't begin to describe Meganium's downfall

[@Firescizor]

​@@asterie_stythiatop tier comment

[@stupidpros]

@@asterie_stythia Meganium is beyond convinced at this point. After getting completely tooled by scheduling with Meganium's opponent changing times last minute and refusing to provide confirmation prior to the day of the match, losing this way somehow felt even worse than Meganium had thought possible. Meganium's preparation was superior, Meganium's play was superior, and Meganium lost, so there's no reason to continue engaging in an activity where what is within Meganium's control is overwhelmingly outweighed by what is not. Meganium is done with competitive Pokemon, and you won't get a fond farewell. This community is infected to its roots with a degenerative disease that grows stronger over time but stops short of killing its host. Tournaments used to have a competitive spirit at their heart; this has been transplanted and replaced with an artificial organ that feeds on vitriol and mockery from insecure little boys that heckle by the sidelines and tear each other to shreds over scraps of attention. The environment they fostered has trapped them all like this in a vicious cycle, and escaping it requires acceptance of the harshest reality they all scramble to explain away, that none of the countless straining efforts they put themselves through here will ever amount to one single shining glimmer of significance. Meganium would make this the end, but World Cup is still ongoing, and Meganium would never leave so many great friends out to dry, so Meganium will suffer through a few more games for them. One last thing before Meganium leaves you all to react with disdain, ridicule, and self-righteous fervor, before you do everything in your power to minimize Meganium's words and thoughts, box them up and shove them to some cobwebbed corner of your memory, and hope they disappear forever as a stain on your finite time ground to dust. From this moment on, nothing you say matters to Meganium. The foulest insults you hurl with intent to wound will calmly settle at the earth before Meganium's feet, and the venom you spit will bring all the pain of a warm summer breeze. You are less than anything you can conceive, while Meganium carries on, brimming with joy distilled from detachment.

[@grandmasterfett9814]

@@asterie_stythiacame to this comment just to reply with this

[@jasonreed7522]

Its a starter with a good design, so it being mediocre to bad is very disappointing.

[@ComicaPaloozaStudios]

If Meganium was going to get some buffs, they should double down on its role as a Cleric or a Supportive Wall, able to heal its allies and itself, and be able to take hits well. Moves like Pollen Puff might be a good start, as well as a different hidden ability for sure - leaf guard is practically a non-ability at this point, so something like Regenerator as mentioned, or some other better defensive ability that isn't situational.

[@Castersvarog]

Or heck, they could have made it into a grass/fairy type. Would have done wonders

[@philtess3126]

The support pokemon you want from meganium already exists. Try bayleaf with an eviolite. You lose on the dmg part, you get the real tank experience and synthesid becomes incredible

[@spiritbaki108]

Thick fat would be cool

[@KoopaKrump]

Grass/Fairy and give it Friend Guard. Done.

[@naganut9718]

Thick fat makes the most sense

[@flyteyy3383]

It may be disappointing in competitive, but man oh man, the Chikorita line is an absolute godsend in the Mystery Dungeon series. Double screens for huge damage reduction, a long range attack in Razor Leaf, self healing with Synthesis, Aromatherapy. Heck even just Growl since it hits all enemies in the same room, combine that with screens and you're taking like a quarter of the damage you'd normally be taking! Oh and lets not forget Ancient Power as a starting egg move! :D I remember the Primal Kyogre boss battle in Rescue Team DX, where most videos I saw on YT had their fully evolved starters and legendaries around level 50 and higher, I managed to get it done at around level 36 with Chikorita and my partner Psyduck with all the damage reduction/item combinations and such. (Cloud Nine is absolutely goated in the MD games.) Hope you get your time in the sun Meganium, and here's to you getting that Mega! ^^

[@Hobson64]

This comment is what I wanted! I watch Mystery Dungeon footage sometimes.

[@Hobson64]

Oh yeah, and I saw Purity Forest be done very well by Meganium itsef. Apparently PMD Meganium is boss.

[@aigis0423]

I’m hoping to see a new strong move for my boy in Indigo Disk. Seeing Shell Smash torterra and Tidy Up Furret gives me some hope

[@andrewchapman2039]

Meganium is genuinely my favourite Pokémon of all time, so much so that it sparked a lifelong love of grass types in general. Seeing the constant, overbearing, love and affection gen 1 Pokémon get just for the sheer fact of existing for three more years is always super fun and I don't at all hate it and there's not a hint of sarcasm in my voice right now I swear.

[@superspider64]

as somoene who likes grass starters it does pain me to see just how far Meganium falls, but hearing that it was actually pretty decent as a tank fascinates me

[@thatssocyrillo]

We’ve been waiting for this! Poor meganium can’t get a break :((

[@roninwarriorsfan]

But this isn' terrakion!

[@bulborb8756]

and it's gonna be even more terrible in gen 9's DLC as the removal of aromatherapy means it's gonna be more outclassed

[@smugsona]

@@bulborb8756 STOP IT GAMEFREAK STOP IT RIGHT NOW

[@ShinyTillDawn]

he already made a video on this Pokémon

[@MaahirMomtaz12]

​@@bulborb8756Unless they give it Heal Bell lol

[@stefans4751]

Poor green dinosaur Since they gave Shiftry its Radical Red ability with Wind Rider in DLC 1, they should do the same with Meganium in DLC 2 and give it Triage. Maybe then it could actually do something

[@sayzar9474]

Meganium is one of many Pokémon ja got stuck with Leaf Guard as a hidden ability which is kinda depressing tbh

[@tomhuddleston1850]

Radical Red gives Meganium a nice buff - it gets Triage as an ability, and it gains Fairy typing. With access to Draining Kiss & Giga Drain, it will always go first to inflict damage & recover HP back itself which I thought was pretty cool. Plus, anything with Fairy typing is bound to do well at something lol

[@nunyabiznes33]

Stabbed dual draining sounds nice.

[@ThunderToast97]

I've always wanted an Aroma based Ability for the Chikorita line. Like, Give Meganium Supersweet Syrup as a Dreamworld ability if you can't create an original one. Or maybe a signature screen move like Aurora Viel, but in Grassy Terrain, because Meganium loves screens. Or have that Spicy Scent flavor text from Bayleef's PokéDex entry be an actual ability, making the opponents swaggered upon switch-in, or maybe just confused. There are SO many ways to buff Meganium that is in theme...

[@chillcloak]

I’m just waiting for GF to give Meganium the fairy typing. Maybe for the next Legends game? 😢

[@helios_is_my_name]

Switch in confusion sounds disgusting I love it

[@ThunderToast97]

@helios_is_my_name (Ooooh, maybe Spinda could have a similar Ability too!) I wish there were more Abilities that messed with status conditions in general. It's always just stats being changed instead of an Ability that forces you to prepare for status effects. Unless you are playing singles, Status effects usually aren't worth it to go for other than sleep Amungus...

[@Bladius_]

@chillcloak Fairy is a strict downgrade; swapping a bug (a bad type) from weakness to neutral for a steel weakness and 4x poison would make the Dino even worse.

[@Key_Concepts]

I think Meganium getting either Calm Mind/ Dragon Dance/ Quiver Dance/ Curse would've helped it a lot. And I feel like it getting a dragon secondary typing with thick fat/regen as an ability fits its theme well too. Won't get into OU or UU. But can fight for a NU spot at least

[@aardern2609]

I though it could learn curse?

[@Joeyisagonnawin]

I'm amazed. I didn't think Meganium had any merit, but that it had such a potent debut generation. The fact it even defined the Bulky Grass Archetype is incredible.

[@Matpit18]

I’m glad to see you revisiting and remaking some of your older videos again, FSG! Can’t wait till we get the Typhlosion remake! I’m curious to see what it’s Hisuian Form did for Competitive!

[@adamjsher04]

My personal favourite of the gen 2 starters, and it deserves so much better than it got over the years

[@SceptileManu]

Changing it's HA like Empoleon did would probably be a good start to buff Meganium. Or buff Leaf Guard to make it more defensive/bulkier.

[@gagan6749]

Fun fact: there is a hard mode in GSC, its called chikorita.

[@skylar6150]

Meganium needs a fairy typing

[@xendra333]

And flower gift

[@ExpandDong420]

That would really help it defensively but I'm not sure how much of a difference it'd make

[@MidoseitoAkage]

​@@xendra333More Tirage, this one would give high priority with draining moves.

[@Maaarrrrk]

​@@MidoseitoAkageyeah radical red

[@fknee9111]

I say a +3 in attack and +2 in sp. attack would be just fine and a +5 in speed. And yes broaden that movepool and Meganium would be competitive.....

[@MarcoVization]

Poor Meganium. It definitely needs a buff, maybe better moves or a new hidden ability that might actually make it halfway decent somewhere in PU or something.

[@Cynsham]

I think they need to make it Grass/Fairy and give it a boost to HP/Defenses or a better hidden ability

[@MarcoVization]

@@Cynsham A better ability and updated moves at least. Something like Thick Fat or Rain Dish would be very helpful to it

[@hecatia666]

Chikorita and its evos are my favorite starter, it's so sad that it didn't even got some buff for being viable... I'm still proud of beating the first three gyms as a wee kid using strategy instead of brute force with my Carmencita

[@mothwizard3095]

I will never understand why people don’t like a green and pink flower dinosaur with cute little antennae :( it’s adorable!!!

[@chaosgallade2331]

From an in-game standpoint, Chikorita is by far the worst starter to use in a Johto playthrough because bad matchups for Grass are everywhere - even the first 2 gym leaders, Falkner and Bugsy, wreck it. From a competitive standpoint, Meganium doesn't have much to set itself apart from other bulky Grass Pokemon like Ferrothorn, Tangrowth, and Amoonguss.

[@furryfloofer8742]

@@chaosgallade2331 Yeah, Meganium sadly became the worst starter in all of pokemon for both an ingame playthrough, AND overtime competitively. Though all the gen 2 starters kinda need a lot of love competitively, not just meganium.

[@Gichou014]

​@@chaosgallade2331to be honest, although Meganium is the worst starter, people just mistreat it for any reason. Zard and the ugly ass Sceptile were never good before gen 6, they were respectively the worst of their gen, both not being good in their regions and people cover up for them. the same could be said with Decidueye, which I really like, but its stats are just weird and not balanced at all. But because they like these mons, it's fine, when Meganium gets hate for the same things.

[@supercal3944]

@@furryfloofer8742who’s better to use Meganium or Venasaur? I like both

[@furryfloofer8742]

@@supercal3944 Venusaur is the best of the kanto starters now that both of zard's mega evolutions are gone, so venusaur is better to use.

[@SemiHypercube]

Ah Meganium, definitely one of the starters of all time Here's hoping it at least gets a buff in the next Scarlet/Violet DLC like how Torterra got Shell Smash

[@sephikong8323]

I cannot forget when Meganium did it was just so how it could just

[@thekoboldintheattic8587]

Hear me out, what if meganium’s buff was a signature move that was like giga drain, but 100 base power

[@sonicfan2403]

​@@thekoboldintheattic8587That's not enough. It's still slow and it's attacks are still low and move pool is shallow.

[@tedbrouwer2831]

Maybe strength sap? Or dragon dance (it would be something)

[@MaahirMomtaz12]

​@@tedbrouwer2831Maybe change its Hidden Ability to Triage or something

[@GiantBluebird]

Since GameFreak seems to be obsessed with giving all the starters their own signature moves, I suggest giving Meganium one that gives it a powerful option only *it* can use. My suggestion would be Petal Veil, a Grass move that can be only used in Grassy Terrain that causes all opposing moves to deal 50% damage. (Basically Aroma Veil but for Grassy Terrain).

[@swagatamitra006]

Meganium need a serious buff, bayleef is my fav grass mon of all time and she really needs some shine in competitive too!!❤

[@mistermistermr732]

You need better taste in pokemon 😂😅

[@sh_aspking]

@@mistermistermr732 people can like whatever pokemon they want, opinion's an opinion

[@TraumaCenter13]

If only they bring back Mega Evolution because Meganium needs an overhaul.

[@erebuskaslana1583]

Give her a secondary type(Fairy maybe) and some stat buffs. Also maybe new moves. She’ll shoot up to OU in no-time. *Huffs a month’s worth of copium.*

[@AZV0108]

​@@erebuskaslana1583The harsh life of a Grass Type Pokémon: unless you are Ferrothorn, being a Grass Type cripples you more than helping you.

[@FierceGalactaKnight]

In terms of design, I just wish Meganium had a long, sweeping tail. Half the beauty of Sauropods are the long tails to balance the long necks. Without the long tail it just looks like a weird grass llama

[@mattitude4464]

Yeah, same issue with Tropius that was fixed with Aurorus

[@leobuana7430]

That would play well for regional form or even a pardox considering some smaller sauropod have spiked tail as well

[@whatamidoing725]

I really hope in indigo disk like they did with shiftry, buff meganium with a new better ability to actually fix it and work with its aromatherapy. Or maybe in the next legends game if there is one to give it a viable regional variant, or maybe even give it quiver dance like how lilligant has the move because it already gets petal dance, i feel its entirely reasonable for it to also receive the move. Please for the love of meganium gamefreak just dont leave my blorbo high and dry like you have for the past 25 years

[@naganut9718]

The thing is a dino, quiver dance makes no sense 😐

[@DarkspineNero]

Im a recently became feraligatr fan but mad respect for Maganium for trucking through as the underdog.

[@nunyabiznes33]

Yeah, Meganium got the short stick. Feraligatr at least got Sheer Force.

[@3clisp315]

Meganium is not trucking through nothing Poor soul got left behind to rot

[@benpardoe2425]

I actually saw a really interesting thread where someone suggested replacing Leaf Guard with Aroma Veil or Flower Veil, aswell as it gaining a load of supportive moves (that i can't remember now unfortunately). But it was very intriguing stuff and just sort of made sense. Not exactly massive game changing buffs but would give Meganium a boost in vgc viability atleast.

[@Bladius_]

It wouldn't, it's a perfect example of an "all my friends are dead". You can literally gone Meganium while it's on the field. There are also several AMAZING grass types fighting for usage in current gen. It'd need a niche and it'd need a way not to be so easily ignored; it would legit need something silly like spore to even get a look in.

[@Bladius_]

Can't edit on mobile for some reason: that was supposed to be "you can literally ignore".

[@GWFanSoftcoreBrony]

Considering how often new Pokémon get signature moves nowadays, especially starters in the last few gens, Meganium is one that desperately needs something. Maybe something similar to the just released Macha Gotcha? It also needs a new ability like maybe Arboliva's Seed Sower and then maybe it would function closer to the way it at least looks like it was intended to function.

[@cemiller]

Have you perhaps heard the tale of the Meganium known as Mr. Stake the unkillable... the one who shook off a blaze kick and survived an ice beam...

[@bashhammer6172]

MUUUUURRRRR STAKE!

[@Artista_Frustrado]

i'm glad people still remember the heroic tale of Mr Stake that survived everything out of love for a trio of trainers that wanted him dead so hard

[@cemiller]

@@Artista_Frustrado it is a tale worth remembering.

[@fulgenzio89]

The saddest thing is that this remake adds only 6 minutes to the original video 😢

[@B3FMandCProductions]

Chikorita was my starter as a 9 year old kid playing Gold for the first time and it will always have a special place in my heart. I still maintain that Meganium is the best-designed Gen II starter by a wide margin, even though it is so bad in battle

[@Milacat]

I played Silver as a kid, and chose Chikorita as well. I don't recall it struggling. Had so much fun battling with the green dinosaur.

[@soarakun6930]

Meganium now gets trailblaze and swords dance which makes it actually threatening its NU rn actually the highest its ever been in ages

[@Meganium_0]

You didn't have to do Meganium like this... AGAIN😭

[@MegaSnek97]

At last! Meganium's a Grass Starter I genuinely appreciate. Really needed a larger movepool and so much more...

[@sagetmaster4]

underrated? Not my first adjective choice

[@MegaSnek97]

​@@sagetmaster4 Humor me.

[@Brown95P]

Woops, l replied to the wrong person with that, my bad. Her movepool's pretty solid for a grass wall all things considered; Leech Seed, Synthesis, Aromatherapy, Giga Drain, Toxic, Protect, Dragon Tail... Spiky Shield and Slack Off would've been nice, but that's about all l can think of for her. If anything, she more likely suffers from 4-moveslot syndrome and a lackluster hidden ability, and her HP could be higher too.

[@MegaSnek97]

@@Brown95P It's alright. It happens and I can agree what Maganium suffered from.

[@bulborb8756]

@@Brown95P however times have gotten worse as BDSP ripped toxic away from it, and the removal of aromatherapy is just another death blow also i don't see spiky shield working as it makes 0 sense thematically compared to it being on spiky grass types like cacturne and chestnaught

[@brandondawson4086]

It is such a bummer to see such an awesome and adorable Pokemon plummet Into Obscurity, especially as and evolution to one of the most adorable starter Pokemon ever. Having said that, a special event gift Chikorita given the move seed flare just because, as well as getting a new hidden ability and either seed sower or grassy surge what helped it immensely.

[@DreballinArts]

Meganium, my very first Pokemon. Named Chikorita Bamsa because I mistakenly thought that's what Bayleef was called. Every Meganium I had afterwards was named Bamsa as well until 2017ish when I did my first shiny reset in HeartGold for a Chikorita named Chickpea. Lost the entirety of my first Pokemon playthrough when, one day in the car on the way to a cookout, the internal battery died. Not that I knew that happened right away. I was surfing alongside Cinnabar because a friend at camp told me I could find Mewtwo there. You couldn't. RIP Bamsa, you were number 1(54)❤

[@mranchovy6003]

I love chikorita line so much, but the pure grass type and poor stats make it bad, i wish they buffed gen 2 starters by a lot

[@Entelarmer]

Im not sure who i am more upset with. You guys for covering Meganium AGAIN despite it not receiving any buffs Or GameFreak for not giving it some well deserved love. Seriously, justice for Meganium. :/

[@Bill23231]

We need a third one. If gamefreak did buff it

[@CalebBlack92]

To make Meganium better give it chlorophyll, move some of the attack stat to the special attack. It gets earthquake & bulldoze so I’d give it earthpower. A poison move beside poison powder would be nice too

[@cylondorado4582]

I liked Meganium in Heart Gold. It seemed like it got some pretty good moves early. Feraligator is my favorite one, but sometimes I’d start with Meganium if I wanted to use Quagsire.

[@thevampirediaries1342]

I use Meganium on Showdown National Dex, maxing defense with Giga Drain, Leech Seed, Protect and Substitute... in short, THE BEAST

[@johnblue4082]

Mr. Steak would be sad, if he understood he was being insulted

[@madibyee]

Every romhack ever gives this thing Triage and/or a secondary Fairy type. They need to do that for real some point.

[@ScrewBall105]

Inclement Emerald has really cool changes for the Meganium line. They get the Triage ability as a hidden ability, secondary fairy typing, fairy moves like draining kiss and moonblast, and earth power. Genuinely the first time I ever said I want to choose Chikorita.

[@grantdaily9662]

Meganium is always my go to for a Johto playthrough, its always been my go to starter for Gen 2/4

[@bulborb8756]

well...good luck with that since it's deadweight

[@grantdaily9662]

@@bulborb8756 it's never failed me yet

[@Bluestar899]

Meganium: Starts off better than Typhlosion and Feraligatr by a wide mile but ends up so far beneath them that people are still trying to dig it out even now. Yikes.

[@nixuniverse5240]

Recently I wanted to test the limits of my masochism so I did an all grass run of HGSS and my god..using this thing is a pain in the ass.

[@EmperorHelix]

Meganium gets the ability Regenerator or Grassy Terrain, 10 to DEF, SpDEF and HP, and gets a custom move I call "Ivy Wall" that gives dual screens and Safeguard effect while Grassy Terrain and/or the Sun is out.

[@chaosgallade2331]

The starter that not only sucks in-game (Grass hate is everywhere in Johto), but also in competitive (just use Ferrothorn, Tangrowth, Amoonguss, or even one of the Decidueyes for a bulky Grass Pokemon). I've seen a bunch of theory crafts that try to salvage it, whether it's giving it more moves or a secondary type like Fairy. I doubt that Terastalization can salvage this when there are better candidates.

[@tomgorey9294]

Grass fairy with some unique moves with make it a good option over tapu bulu maybe, like recover,leech seed, and spore and tje fairy typing would make it decent

[@Brown95P]

@@tomgorey9294 Except Grass and Fairy literally have no defensive synergy whatsoever, which is what Meganium needs the most.

[@noukan42]

​@@Brown95Parmchair pokemon designers always slap dragon or fairy into wverything just because they are OP, often with poor understanding of what make them OP in the first place.

[@LightLeafLife]

I love meganium so much. Since G1 I always choose grass type for First partner Pokémon . I hope meganium can get some attention in G9 DLC 2. There's some idea for strengthen meganium by myself Species strength：105/60/100/95/100/65 Hidden Ability： 5 choose 1 Triage：Like meganium's Dex entries.（G4.G5） Aroma Veil：Like meganium's Dex entries.（G2.G3） Regenerator/Thick Fat：About its appearance. Quick-Ripening Herb：This name is come form TCG card（meganium SM8）. I hope this ability can lowers the Special Attack stat of all adjacent opponents by one stage. Like its Dex entries in G6 ORAS （this Pokémon gives off more of its becalming scent to blunt the foe's fighting spirit.） New Move Sleep Powder：In TCG card meganium（L-P,L1 008） can used Sleep Powder. Soothing Scent：The name form TCG card ,meganium（★neo1）and bayleef（SM8）. I hope this move combines Sleep Powder （85% accuracy to Foe）and Aromatherapy（100% accuracy to ally）. It cannot be blocked by Safety Goggles and is classified as ''smell Moves''. Floral Healing：More suitable for meganium than Heal Pulse. Baby-Doll Eyes：So cuteeeeeee!!! Strength Sap：A great move for meganium. Helping Hand：A good support can give teammate helping hand, right？ Weather Ball：A great move for meganium. Pollen Puff：A flower Pokémon has pollen is very reasonable. Life Dew：Like Roselia family, a beautiful flower can heal ally. Yawn：A great move for meganium. Draining Kiss：A great move for meganium. Flower Shield：A great move for meganium. Wide Guard：Tropius can used this move, and meganium's body look like it. Calm Mind：A great move for meganium.

[@Drowmerc]

It was said in the video, but seriously regenerator would be a nice buff for Meganium. Probably a new move or two I imagine.

[@Brown95P]

Spiky Shield would be gucci alongside Leech-Overs, Slack Off would've been great pre-gen 9... l think she already gets Toxic? l don't see what else she could get as a defensive mon move-wise though.

[@bulborb8756]

@@Brown95P toxic now is pretty much exclusive to poison types with only a couple exceptions, and meganium didn't have access to toxic in BDSP, meaning that'll carry over to gen 9 and honestly i think regenerator is more deserving for swampert

[@skeetermania3202]

Seems like too easy a fix. Let’s get more creative than that.

[@kinghoenn3478]

There will always be a place for you Mr. Steak

[@CornbreadDestroyer]

Ohh boy can’t wait to see how Meganium gets absolutely *BLUDGEONED*

[@calebnelson4932]

Well, time for my favorite starter to get roasted. At least we'll always have Mr. Steak

[@Nadid_Dhrabb]

Meganium having a genuine niche in gen 2 OU is awesome

[@JamienautMark2]

Finally, my turn to listen to FSG tell me how bad my favorite Pokémon is.

[@Snakedude4life]

I mean Meganium was a luminous Pokémon in new Pokémon snap… That was neat. 🎩 🐍 no step on Snek!🇺🇸🇭🇰

[@FrinniferFran]

Make Meganium Great again. Step 1: Boost its HP stat Step 2: Triage or Grassy Surge Step 3: Give it a Signature move that lets it do what it does best. Set Seeds. Step 4: Floral Healing. And Finally Step 5: Give it actual Coverage and Pollen Puff.

[@MidoseitoAkage]

This is why Radical Red pay some respect and love to Meganium by giving it the duo typing Grass/Fairy with the ability Triage which it give it priority with draining move such giga drain or draining kiss. Seriously, If Game Freak has finally give shell smash to Torterra, Meganium need the ability Tirage. That wouldn't push it to higher tier, but it would have something.

[@DCBiscuit]

It even has the flower necklace like Comfey.

[@handanyldzhan9232]

It's kind of a stretch from the lore perspective (TBF it's a cute grass type that's kinda big on healing, and Fairy is associated with it), but damn if it doesn't make it unique and viable in its own right. It was a genius idea.

[@pacmanboss256]

its still awful in the radical red competitive metagame

[@HeydiSGomez]

poison types exist, especially with the loyal trio now

[@Brown95P]

I think you mean Triage, not Tirage. Also Grass/Fairy would not be good on a defensive mon like Meganium; one extra weakness in Steel and a x4 weakness to Poison *_on top of all the other Grass weaknesses_* for just two resistances to Fighting/Dark and an immunity to Dragon? Not worth it.

[@Acre00]

Ever since gen 2, I've wanted Meganium to be better than it was - especially for a new game playthrough. Unfortunately the move pool was just never there; grass isn't a very good offensive type to begin with and Meganium was given anything more to work with

[@bulborb8756]

not only is grass quite poor offensively, it's also one of the worst defensive typings in the game

[@beebobber546]

I’ve picked the grass starter in every Gen except 2, where I picked Feraligatr. I’m part of the problem 😔

[@PikminWarrior454]

I'm replaying Colosseum and I chose Bayleef as my Johto starter. I knew it wasn't nearly as good as Quilava or Croconaw, but I figured maybe it would surprise me. And it did! It surprised me how bad it STILL is even with that low expectation.

[@UncleJrueForTue]

I love Meganium for it's amazing support when my party was at it's weakest. It provided so much free exp to me in gen 2 after I chose Totodile.

[@snapclub8751]

Maybe someday, GameFreak will make a regional variant of Meganium that’s Grass-Fairy type with the hidden ability Pixelate.

[@discobassgroove]

Triage grass/fairy Meganium goes hard in Radical Red

[@Brown95P]

I like all the people that on one hand feel bad for Meganium and on the other hand suggest a secondary typing that has like zero defensive synergy with Grass, like Fairy. Seriously guys, it's been 3 gens since Fairy was introduced; there's a good reason Ferrothorn was used for walling and not Tapu Bulu.

[@playersnake]

Please do a therom video that explains the impact of field condiotion (entry hazards, terrains, weather, trick room, etc)

[@luigiRobs14]

The Sinnoh Starters got a buff in S/V so fingers crossed for Meganium

[@roidadadou5456]

Way too much, which is why I'm glad that Crystal Legacy finally got released, making it usable in a normal playthrough.

[@sean24688]

Gen2 was a game too big to be Kanto's DLC, which became a testing ground for new ideas (gens 3 and 4 would finish the ground work). There are plenty of Pokémon from this generation that need huge buffs or an evolution: Noctowl, Furret, Ledian, and Ariados to name a few, which most of these Pokémon are good for the storyline but hilarious underwhelming after.

[@JTLDrago94]

Honestly Since Typhlosion got regional variation I hope the other 2 gain a regional variation someday Feraligatr (Water/Dragon) Meganium (Grass/Fairy)

[@Ashgrey0]

Perfect typings

[@Brown95P]

Grass and Fairy literally have no defensive synergy whatsoever, and that's what Meganium needs the most.

[@brandontherabboat4850]

Me, currently playing through HeartGold with a Meganium:

[@sonny_njr]

Please, GameFreak. If there’s any Pokémon that deserves a new form… it’s Meganium.

[@thekoboldintheattic8587]

Nah, let’s give Charizard another form, meganium has too much gamefreak pandering

[@Kyloxdatachannel]

That chuckle when you said "big crash into the ground" is simply contagious.

[@irenemurphy1110]

Do you guys think the "disappointing" is new, and here to stay for a while, or just specifically for Meganium?

[@NanaKyoto]

This is genuinely heartbreaking, as I was recently thinking about Meganium, it had so much potential, and yet, Game Freak decided to leave all that bread on the table, and would rather focus on other Pokémon. It is doubly disappointing when you consider the Chikorita line has one of the coolest starter designs, with Bayleef being one of the best middle stages.

[@paru144]

7:55 I could feel the buildup leading to this. Legit was shocked to hear it was the best of the 3 in Gen 2, but the rest makes sense lmao

[@sanbearuwu]

Meganium may not be competitively viable,but she definitely won our hearts and thats all that matters

[@tastefullynerdy1161]

Meganium was always my favourite gen2 starter, even if I put the most time in a playthrough I started with Cyndaquil. Chicorita, Bayleaf and MEganium are just cute, fluffy and peaceful in stark contrast to the badass and aggressive designs of Feraligatr and Typhlosion. Also; I always had a soft spot for grass pokemon

[@flaretheflareon3870]

I’m sick of meganium slander sometimes 😢 but this is a good video 👍

[@thezester3561]

A friendly reminder that GSC is the only gen where a starter has zero type advantage in the the gyms and elite 4. Why did they do Meganium like that

[@getter_robotic6477]

I think it's so funny how much the Chikorita line aged liked milk to the point so many people force themselves to pity it by making up stories like as if it was part of their childhood even though they played the Crystal/HGSS games a few weeks ago

[@spencerweiss6337]

Ways to fix Meg: - give it strength sap - give it a useful ability, like regenerator or triage (or prankster) Still probably not enough to make it useful. Fk it, give it spore

[@kikaioshin6700]

When he started talking about how Meganium was by far the best Gen 2 starter competitively i thought this was going to be another joke video

[@Brandon.thebaby]

If they gave Meganium a move that could heal like 1/3 or so of all of party pokemon’s hp, maybe it would have more of a niche, while still making sense thematically, it would finally be the solid cleric it always wanted to be

[@sonofhades57]

At least it's got the prize of "Most Conventionally Cute" starter. And we got Mr. Stake out of it!

[@alexanderspassov4759]

This is why I love draft league I can actually use my favorite Pokemon as my teams bulky grass type with dual Screens, phazing in Dragon Tail and Leech Seed to keep it from being passive. Would love to see an new Hidden Ability or moveset buffs like Quiver Dance and Earth Power.

[@getalife5028]

Bro the title didn't have to be that harsh

[@shirshobanerjee7751]

I don’t think fairy would help meganium, what it really needs it regenerator over leaf guard, along with higher defenses and more reliable recovery that synthesis (synthesis is weather affected so it’s worse than recover). It could also do with a boost to offenses and a speed nerf to keep the bst the same. Finally, expanding its movepool with more and better moves (notably dragon dance, power whip, trick room, zen headbutt, play rough, moonblast, solar blade, weather ball, recover, and calm mind), would probably be enough to make meganium semi-viable as a bulky trick room setter or as a wall. Proposed stat spread 90/97/100/98/100/40 Vs Original stat spread 80/92/100/93/100/80 I don’t want to make the stats lopsided or increase the bst because meganium is a starter Pokémon, but I’m only kind of considering competitive. Most of these changes make meganium more interesting for playthroughs.